 Let's look at the conflict with the PRC. How do you envisage Tyvan's future in the face of the PRC's military threat to bring home this so-called breakaway province? So I think the PRC at the moment is working on digital also But more as a kind of surveillance statism with social credit and all things like that So it doesn't make sense to say that we're competing on the same track when it's actually on opposite directions And on opposite directions the breakaway is kind of automatic. You don't have to do anything about it. It's breaking away Breakaway province is not a term that you would use Right, or how would you describe it when they say breakaway province the government here? The Taiwan as a Republic of Citizens Abolished the term province starting last year and so in Taiwan there is no head of province anymore There's no head of Fujian province There's no head of Taiwan province. So we understand and respect that the PRC has a Taiwan province It just doesn't describe any of us The PRC, how would you describe the PRC's objective in militarily threatening Taiwan etc. What's the end game? What's the end game? You'll probably have to ask a PRC official or our foreign minister for that And I think what PRC in the internet landscape is doing that I'm more qualified to answer Is essentially setting up a new norm for cyberspace where the cyberspace is no longer a space for free expressions But rather is subject to that what they call sovereignty of the jurisdiction below the cyberspace layer to have complete control using gray firewalls and stuff and For a long time this kind of intranet like governance is something that only the PRC does But I think at a moment PRC is trying to establish it as a kind of alternative norm to the EU or the Pacific Noury But it could also be that Taiwan is the living example of Chinese being fit for democracy What? There's Taiwan, there's the PRC and it's the Taiwan is the living example In the face of the PRC Taiwan is the perfect example that homo-sabians is fit for digital democracy