 Hi Hi people We're here now me and Lamar today. That's it. It's all we need Yeah, something I am I am taking over every role Oh, I would pretend to talk security in very detailed like I know what I'm talking about So you got Phillip or Darren? Yeah, Phillip or Darren, and I will be drawing the show I'm filling it for Len How do you plan to fill in for Roger because Roger's out too. Um, I'm gonna hold my baby right here Which is his phone my iPhone 7. Yes, I see I see so so yeah, we all win Yes, no no no Len today. He had a family thing happened Everything's okay. Nothing nothing horrible, but he had to attend to it at the last minute so He said make sure to tell people to buy my heart Yes Help a family He needs it now more than ever You know, it's a good chance to just go look back at the amazing stuff that he's done over the past couple of years and pick your faves Len Baralto store.com. I was just telling A labar before we started the video about FSL tonight. Did you actually go did I trick you into going to the to the site or no? No, I was I forgot That was when that was okay. I'm gonna go now I did my best I didn't know that Are you making it? No, go to fsl tonight.com and then uh click on uh, the On hover over standings And then click on Cheyenne mountain gators g a t e r s. There's the and that's the team. Elizabeth Weir, John Shepherd, Taylor, and Megan Carson Bennett and Rodney McKay Oh, but it's just fantasy Well, yeah, so it's the show No, you made me think they were really playing I'm like, why would they be it? I liked that. I was that compelling in my description I actually come inside. I'm like, are they short on money these days? What's what's what's going on here? Yeah, no, no, I weigh over promise then. No, this is just me and Justin talking about it fantasy You are terrible. I know next month in Chicago I think it's the last they said it's the last Stargate convention. I would love to go Uh, I asked one really well. Well, it's the last one that they're that this company's doing so i'm okay Yeah, so got it. Um Yeah, I've never been to a like star track or any kind of sci-fi convention. I would I would I've never been to a single Prop franchise convention before. Oh, okay. That would be yes in here. Yeah I'm a yeah huge huge red star stargate. All right. Well, let's uh, let's get rolling here. You ready? Uh, yeah after you tricked me. I don't got me thinking they were playing soccer or something Yeah All right, here we go Daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news for friday september 23rd 2016. I'm tom merit Uh, lem peralta out with a family thing roger chang also off Uh, searching for a a new place to live as a matter of fact, but Thankfully to uh to to bring it all back together. Lamar wilson will step in and fill all the roles today I will do everything. I will I would talk as as technical as I can about privacy What should be like Stop it. Okay. So you guys are and you don't think covered. That's great. That's all I would say I may have a drawing for you at the end. That's amazing. I didn't know you could draw Yes, yes, and I know you the audience never sees You know roger's baby, but my baby is here the iphone seven plus Right, your baby. Got it. Yes Okay, you're the best. There you go. All the bases are covered. We're we're fine. We're in business Hey, did you hear bloomberg says apple's testing a prototype smart home device with siri built-in kind of like an amazon echo I heard about that. I'm excited about that Very much so that's one of those things where even if this is true They may never bring it to market. They have to though because I mean google has the home coming out right echo is very very popular And I need some way to talk to siri without having to press a button on my phone. I like I actually Can you just say hey and the name? Yeah, if i'm two feet away from it Yeah, it doesn't seem to be as well. You want a long distance relationship I understand. Okay. Yeah. I don't I don't want any commitment. I just you know, I want you to yeah I decided a room All right fair enough. Here are some more top stories Here's the big one cmbc reporting twitter is talking to google and sales force among others about a sale tech crunch says verizon and microsoft are also interested Uh twitter's revenue has been growing slower than analysts expected So this has been something people have been wondering whether they would do twitter's head of tv andrew adeshek and its north american moments curation team lead marcus mabry Both just a part of the country company mabry going to cnn So at the time when the nfl is coming to twitter live They lose two people related to that live effort And it looks like they're shopping themselves around as they have been growing But just not at the pace that the market would like to see It's very interesting to speculate Uh, I certainly feel very confident that the twitter might be exploring this I don't know what level of seriousness it would necessarily be Right, I could see them going with verizon because verizon In the process of acquiring yahu, which has its own issues as we know And and also already owning aol could definitely bring twitter in as a live aspect of video and also as an analytics back end for the sales effort it wants to have Yeah, yeah, that's just so but then it's then it's under verizon stuff And then you have to use where I you know, like I don't know I I I kind of just might not go to engadget because it's under verizon now. I mean No, I don't There's lots of stuff that we forget like, you know, huffing the post tech crunch Um, you're right. You're right I don't know No, I guess it would be the same if google buys them. It's like all everything is under under google It's the same thing. I don't know much about sales force. Like I know you do but like I don't Study them much, but like google just sounds like a bad idea because then they don't Get social seem like everything they touch the social just burns and hate ease Well, and that's the argument for it Right is google's bad at social so they buy twitter, which at least is better than google is at social but I don't see like I see how that you know that logical Step plays out on paper I don't know what google would do with twitter other than just continue to run them as twitter And then not have to report their bottom line because they can fall into alphabets other acquisitions Right, right, you know, um, maybe you could tweet for your nest to turn on I think you can already do stuff like this gift for that. Yeah I mean, yeah, but google. Yeah, put it on. I don't know. It's that's how ridiculous it sounds Yeah, why why sales force? Uh, well sales force is interesting sales force probably doesn't have the cash to do this alone But what they would get is all that analytics back at so it's part of the same reason Verizon would want it is to say Hey, we can get a lot of data that will help our customers understand trends And then there's also the customer service part of twitter So the idea of tweeting a business to say hey, this isn't working and having somebody Talk to you that's into sales force as well. That's perfect. Yeah. Now. No, we haven't said microsoft, but microsoft is also Yeah, uh That one that one's Interesting. Yeah, so the obvious fit, you know microsoft is buying linkedin. They haven't closed that deal yet Oh, it's not closed. Okay, but you could you know, that's probably going to close It's I I say it's not closed because it isn't officially closed not because it doesn't sound like it will So once they have linkedin, I suppose they could merge twitter into that And and that all becomes part of what they do with yammer and and and and that Business oriented social networking Twitter, of course way more consumer focused than that So that's why sales force and microsoft don't don't at first blush seem like a perfect fit because we think of it as Talking to the world and live and oscars and nfl etc. You know who needs social besides google That's not in this list is the big a Apple themselves, you know that I'm Ever been that great at social either though. That's good point and they've got plenty of cash Um, yeah, they could easily understand the buying it. It's not an issue. It's just like how would how will people take Using it under apple's name. Just like, you know, you said engage it with horizon and what would they do with it? Yeah, what about facebook? I mean, I know they're not listed here either That wouldn't I give it to some antitrust stuff or I don't know I don't know how how monolithic social media is seen All anybody buying these is going to have to face antitrust Evaluation but yeah, would that cause a concern because it's monopolization Yeah, I I would be if I was on a panel of anything I would be concerned about that. Yeah, yeah Uh, well speaking of facebook, uh, facebook admitted a month ago that a discrepancy existed in a video number Reported to advertisers called average duration of video viewed that posting is now getting attention today among lots of media outlets Facebook defined average duration of video viewed this way. Okay, there's gonna be a little math here. I apologize Total time spent watching a video divided by the total number of people who have played the video So you just you have that total like it was watched for A thousand hours and a thousand people watched it. So it was an hour per person, right? That that's how that works You're a good teacher. Wow. Well. Thank you It only counted people who had viewed the video for more than three seconds though So that that raises the average, right? Suddenly if you're like, oh, if you watched it for less than three seconds We don't count you and then we divide the total amount viewing So so that amount viewed even if it's only two seconds counted, but those people didn't count Wait, man, let me let me make sure I get this clear. Yeah only counted people who had Viewed the video for more than three seconds. Exactly. That's kind of like what You too. I mean, we don't know what they're what they consider of you But like usually we've heard it's been longer than three to five seconds Right and like facebook that part is not in controversy facebook defines a view as you watched it for three seconds or more Okay, but what they were doing is saying average time viewed divided by Only the people who divide who watched it more than three seconds Thus boosting the average up if you're taking average time viewed it should include the people who watched it less than three seconds Because that brings the average down Okay, so so in theory if there's someone who's looking at this who wants to buy ads and said, oh, we have this You know, there's this many people watch for this amount of time They could they may have changed their thought process if it was less Right, so let's go back to my my very clunky example. Yeah, if two thousand people watched a video and it was a thousand hours that would end up being a half hour per person But if a thousand of those people didn't watch it for more than three seconds You kick them out and suddenly it's an hour per person, right and it looks much better Oh Much better and then you're like, wow, this is really working. I'm a I'm a I'm gonna invest even more So facebook apologized for the inconvenience and renamed the metric average watch time Like everyone else It's one of those things where It was just people thought it meant one thing and it meant another and it was a poor definition and a poor label I honestly don't think facebook was up to no good here. A lot of people do Okay, I think it was just in at worst a mistake like oh, that's no, that's not what we meant We meant to say of the official video views which we all know we define as three seconds or more This is the average watch time of those and to me that's actually a more useful figure anyway Because I want to know what the average watch time of the people who stuck with it is if if I have Thousands of people like who auto played for two seconds and then it scrolled off the screen Bringing my average down that that isn't as useful for me to know but I want to know that's the number I'm looking at Yeah, it sounds like it was honest mistake I mean we we judge these companies because they're so big and and you like you got to have some really smart people there How could you make a mistake like this but The wording I can I can see why the wording would be confusing Well, and you have to deal with with like you said youtube video definitions all the time How much does this sort of thing bother you when they slice and dice so fine like oh, it's confusing as hell Like it's like average watch time then then then you know Then there's cpv then their cpa and and it's all these different things that I don't know what's important You know first it's views now What's watch time? Is it the percentage of watch time or is it the amount of minutes that people watch? That's a that's a big thing on youtube I always got to ask my rep which one is more important Which one are you looking at and every month it seems to be a different definition For how they're looking at it. So well, that's the other thing right advertisers go through these trends Where they're like, we just we just want a number of minutes, right? We're all about minutes and then a month later They're like, well, we realize that you know our message is really hit better when we're looking at the ones that actually have the percentage watch time So, you know, there's fashions in in statistics fashion statistics. Yes, sir Uber's rolling out something called real-time ID check on friday This is meant to prevent uber driver account sharing or theft System periodically will require drivers to take a picture of themselves and submit it before accepting rides Uber will then use microsoft's cognitive services to match the photo to the one they have on file So it makes sure that the person using that uber driver account looks to be the same person who it's supposed to be If they don't match the account is temporarily blocked in a test of the program More than 99 of drivers were ultimately verified Uber said some mismatches occurred due to unclear profile photos. They just had bad lighting or whatever and those were resolved So they say most of the time the large predominance of the time The driver that is supposed to be using the account is in fact using the account now Lamar a lot of people are pointing at this and saying, aha So you're not sure and you still insist that you don't need to do fingerprints and background checks Yeah, yeah, at first. I didn't think this is going to be a be a problem without a thought about it Whatever uber driver wants to have his car running 24 seven So he he runs it then his wife runs it and then a cousin does eight hours And and you're right and and you don't know anything about those other people And you're thinking you're getting this this one driver and you're getting someone else That's a huge problem because those other people haven't been vetted at all and just to clear Uber does not do finger fingerprints or background do fingerprints or background checks now They they say they do Yeah, they say they do limited background checks, but people Let me let me rephrase uber does not do fingerprints in background checks Uh, and they don't do background checks for all users all users of the system. There are certain cases Uber says they do a limited background check a lot of people say Well, what you do what you're calling a background check isn't good enough because it doesn't do things like fingerprints So is it a is it a cost thing or is it a We just we if we know there's some sketchy people out there, but we need drivers Yeah, it's it's it's both of those things and uber says that you know that their system will get rid of the bad actors Just as well as doing the background checks would you can do a background check on someone who will then go on to do something bad We all know that that's possible And and uber relies on their own system of ratings, etc To weed out the bad drivers and they say that's better But they also have buckled over the years and started to do some limited background checks The fact that they're doing this though has a lot of people pointing at them and saying you're not as confident in your system As you say you are exactly I I've had this happen where I got in an uber and I was like That that'd look like you and he's like. Oh, yeah, that's my dad I just really we share the account and I was like Okay, and he took he took me to the airport. It was fine. Like I you know, and it was the right car So I was like, hmm I've always I've always had a maniac driving me to the airport I don't go to the airport often, but I've always had someone who didn't realize the The the exit was you know, like right there and they swing over five lanes that yeah, I've Kid you not every single time I wonder if that's because I live closer to the airport that that happens to me I've had it happen a couple of times where I had to kind of tell them how to get there Yeah, but most of the time they seem to know Yeah, it's scary Tesla filed suit thursday against three michigan three of michigan's government officials Secretary of state attorney general and governor for preventing tesla from selling cars directly instead of through a dealer Michigan has a code that prevents auto manufacturers from selling cars directly unless it's through a non-profit or government agency Tesla claims that this code violates the due process equal protection and commerce clauses of the constitution So they're suing the government officials responsible for the code state of michigan rejected tesla's application for licenses to sell and repair cars in the state Pointing to the code saying no, you are the manufacturer. We can't give you a license to do these things because Because it violates our code You can variously see this code as either protecting dealers Who who want to make sure that they get to profit off selling cars? They don't want ford and gm going into direct sale business because it would drive them out of business Other people say no what you have is you have more competition Which drives prices down on the cars if you have dealers doing this rather than A price that is set by the manufacturer and of course tesla very famously just sets the price They're like, this is the price you pay for tesla. There's no haggling You just pay this much you get a tesla Yeah, and I was reading to this and this is not Helping the consumer at all, you know, they like to spend in like, oh, you know, this helped the consumer and lower prices Going to a dealer is complete There's you know, you've you've done it. It's horrible. Like, you know, you Go in and and that the haggling and the the problems you deal with The bottom line here is that they simply don't want tesla there They're already struggling in michigan and as one legislator said to tesla the michigan dealers do not want you here The local manufacturers do not want you here. So you're not going to be here And so that's what this is a power play against a new a fresh new company that people are into Yeah Well, it's a bit of protectionism in two ways at least you could see it that way It's a bit of protectionism for the for the incumbent manufacturers who've made their home in michigan for a quite long Quite a long time and have entrenched interest there. It's also a bit of protectionism for the dealers This this isn't the first time teslas run up against this. They ran up against it new jersey in new york as well There there are lots of states that have this kind of law to protect the dealers Yeah, so i i'm i'm i'm actually rooting for tesla here. I i i don't see the You know the the big issue here I mean these are old laws that back in the day i could see could have been a bit of issue But now people buy differently. They they shop, you know, they shop for things differently is you know And you know, most of it is is online anyway for what tesla i should think all tesla sales are online, right? Uh, well, yeah, you can go into a dealer like they at century city You could go and like see a tesla and talk to a representative there But I think it ends up executing online even if you do it person like that. So yeah, I I want to not have to deal with the the dance of the haggle It does it doesn't fit my way of doing things I know some people actually like it and they like that idea that they can get a better deal Uh, I I think that is the abnormal situation in our modern society in the united states In fact, I'm someone and and I don't mean this that I don't want to take money out of waiter's pockets Because I know that the system is meant that if you get rid of tipping then waiters get underpaid But I wish we didn't have to have that system I wish we had a system where you just paid for your meal and you knew that All the employees of that restaurant are getting properly compensated. I'm the same way. I'm 100% Yeah, I tip. I tip well But I I wish the system didn't exist because in other countries It doesn't exist and it's a man in korea to just pay your bill I mean, it's actually offensive, right? If you try to give me. Yeah. Yeah, apparently. Yeah, I didn't I didn't try it Landed in jail. I say this because like I want those things, but at the same time I also Get a little weird about the idea of like every car manufacturer being able to sell direct to me Would that actually be in my interests? So in in my messed up mind, I'm like, well, maybe there should be a rule that says yes Manufacturers can sell directly, but they also have to make their stock available to third parties who want to resell it Interesting. Um, but maybe that's yeah, my last couple cars I've bought from From car max, which is you know, not sponsored It's it would have to say that but but like they have the no-hackle thing This is what the price is and you know, it is it's always usually reasonable And I and I like I like I picked my car online Get figured out what I want and went in and got it. It was just it was a less hassle So I I feel you I'm really into that as well Google released an open source algorithm that can be trained to recognize objects in photos with 93.9% accuracy That's up from 89.6 2 years ago. It's good improvement, huh? When the algorithm is trained on human captions When I say trained on human captions, that means you feed human written captions to it and say this is what this says So it starts to recognize like oh that caption goes with this It can generate accurate new captions when presented with completely new scenes So if you didn't catch all of that, they've got an algorithm that can write the captions for your photos So they can do the memes for you now. Yes Palmer lucky doesn't have to sink money into it anymore. They could just have an ai do it Examples created by the algorithm include a dog is sitting on the beach next to a dog Or a blue and yellow train traveling down train tracks. So not quite meme level yet No, but it saves the time of I do Hundreds of pictures and have to sit there right in the metadata of what each one Is so I can look it up for search later That is night. I mean 94 94 percent. That's really it's really really good And what this means for search because if it can do this it obviously recognizes what's in a photo So if you say show me pictures of yellow trains, it would be able to do yellow trains The image captioning system is available as an open source model in tensor flow That's the open source machine learning program that google has so if you're a developer out there Who likes to play around with this stuff? You can get your hands on it and try to try to train it up to recognize trains Chew chew I know I think this is great. I think this is amazing and obviously I can't wait for it to be included in google photos or Or ifoto or something where I it could just I want to see what captions it comes up with Because like any technology no matter how impressive it is 93.9 accuracy It's that 6.1 that you want to look at and go how hilarious was it when I got it wrong? Right, right It's cute that you still are clinging to ifoto. That's nice. I heard that It doesn't exist anymore. Yeah, uh, what what is it called? It's just apple photos. It's just yeah, it's just uh, Yeah, what is the code here just photos? Yeah, it's just photos as if photos. Yeah, it's my photos Not my photos. No, I just say Next story You know archive and the annenberg public policy center of the university of pennsylvania are teaming up to track The coverage of the us presidential debates archive.org will provide near real-time access To a shareable video Of the debates for free at first to partners the video will be searchable through the use of closed captioning Maybe they should get that captioning stuff on for the first debate fact-checking partners will have access but archive Emailed me and said they hope to go more widely public in subsequent debates So I would like to see that have all of us be able to access that Project will also use the open source audio fingerprint tech dupletron to analyze Which video segments are highlighted by national and broadcast cable news shows? Uh, and I think that's the most interesting part of this is being able to say, okay What parts of the debate were emphasized and highlighted on the news and put back in front of people Who maybe didn't watch the debates and what parts were left out? Right, right. I think that's that's pretty cool. So I always thought it was interesting Like I told you before I was watching the debates But usually I've seen stuff after and how they have to go through like a fact checking things Sometimes they're not fast enough to do it in time for this the segments. So what this like get that done faster Yeah, that's that's the idea is to try to make that happen as fast as possible Wow, and and be able to say like if you don't watch them at the time What parts are you missing what parts are you not exposed to and what part of the debate ends up not having an impact on the election because of that Also, thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show reddit.com. That's a look at our top stories Earlier this week we talked about youtube heroes. That's the new community moderation effort It actually expands a previous program called trusted flaggers And if you missed that part or you didn't you don't quite remember moderators gain points and accumulate them As they help moderate creators channels and they can move up from level one to level five and they get cool things along the way You earn points by adding captions to videos that get used by the creator Reporting inappropriate videos that get removed by youtube and helping answer community questions that get highly rated Uh, you only flag and report youtube makes the final calls on content removal But lemar this has caused some people to say I don't like the idea of unpaid volunteers As moderators of what can be said and in fact the video that introduced youtube heroes has 418 000 plus dislikes Versus 7 000 plus likes. I saw that I saw that And they conveniently disabled the comments too. Yes, and they disabled the comment Uh, so as somebody who's who's a creator on youtube, uh, this is this is you know, kind of your lifeblood How do you feel about this? Is this something you think would help you moderate your channel? um No, no, um, the so the first part you mentioned about the unpaid volunteers uh, listen google Is a huge google youtube is huge company. I get paid monthly from them through adsense Uh, there's a lot of people who get paid way more than I do my point is saying that is As this stands now for all of this Money transfer and and amount of things they allow us to do there is no system in place To talk to anyone to do it like there's no they need to hire customer service people Or support people who handle things like this like I and and I just bring back the money thing because that's that's really the center of it but really Unpaid volunteers Should not have this burden put on on them. They can be ancillary people possibly To to people that google has hired but google needs to hire and train people who will be accountable For their decisions. Well, if you get enough points to get to level four then you get direct contact with youtube staff Yeah, and you get a lollipop is it like yeah, yeah, you got more points. Yay No, it's this is a negative program and i'm not like Like anti it because there's some positive benefits to but it's it's really rooted in negativity Why can't as as one creator boogie, uh, two nine eight eight seven in the video. Why can't this be Uh, if it's truly heroes, maybe I did something great in a video. Maybe it's maybe it's uh It's a video that has an inspirational message. Why not put it in a queue Where google can youtube can possibly, uh, give it extra promotion Uh, or maybe i'm a consistent uploader and maybe I get some extra Google search engine juice or something. I think I mean if you're gonna be heroes, that's what the heroes do You know I mean you're encouraging The lowest common denominator of people who are you know who sit around I hate to say sit around doing nothing because you I know you have great moderators in your in your chat That's not what I mean. I mean i'm youtube And you know, it's just going to invite the wrong kind of people who have agendas And I and I didn't watch your show when you talked about it. I apologize, but I More that I talked about it the other day when it was announced I my my main comment then was I just don't think it's gonna work I don't think it'll motivate enough people to do this to make a difference Yeah, I mean they already had the program trusted flaggers, which I never knew about They should have just kept their mouth closed. They just kept that going Like I just that is it bringing it to light that these people have this kind of power influence It's a little unsettling as a creator Well part of me wants to roll back and say hold on you guys This isn't really at the base much different than any other moderator program reddit has almost exactly the same issue You have you have volunteers in the reddit community Who get more moderation because of their actions on reddit? I and nobody has a big problem with that because it's been that way on reddit for a long time Part of this is just youtube making a change always has a backlash Part of it is calling it heroes I think really that's the big problem. That's the big problem and people on reddit are not making money See that that was you you took the words right out of my mouth. That is the third problem is I mean, yeah, there's a little bit of youth reddit gold kicking around here and there But that youtube is known as a place that makes millionaires and suddenly this looks like hey Free workers. We'd like you to help make the millionaires lives easier even if that's not what youtube intends That's how it's being seen right? Yeah, and so it's just yeah So from the surface it's probably not what we think it's probably not as scary as we think like these moderators are going to go in and Take down people who have different religious views than them or different political I'm sure youtube has steps in there To stop them from from doing that, but it just it comes off the wrong way The word hero is completely wrong. Yeah, and it's like who in the marketing department Who hired the this team to say this would be an awesome idea to name it that I don't know Yeah I'm tinvec points out that lots of people have problems with the way reddit is moderated and that's true but just not at the level of the backlash here, uh, and and and I think again, I think it's it's mostly perception Uh, and and a little bit of of execution like it's fine to say like hey as you participate in our product We'll give you more things But these things are all like i'm going to reward you with more moderation tools like Yeah, I I don't know I just imagine I just imagine a troll in a dirty Superman suit in this house sitting there like i'm a youtube hero. I'm going to spend six hours and A day clamping down and that's the other part I think it gets lost here is these people aren't given any power even at level five You're not given any power. They're given tools to report things But youtube decides whether things actually get removed So youtube is putting itself as the last line of defense to gets the superman troll with which is not what Most people think that most people had the idea a level four level five person because they have the ability to multi flag Various videos that they they make the decision and you're and you're right That's it. That's where we as the creators we hear that part and we don't hear all the details And that's because youtube is not clear themselves When they execute anything it goes back to me saying like sure And so now you're dealing with just more reports, which actually increases your work at youtube because you have to follow up And yeah, sure I guess the idea is if we if we really are awarding points to the people who appropriately Report things then the only people that rise up to the level of level four and level five with that Multi-flagging tool are the people who have a track record of doing it, right? Yeah, so I mean, I get yeah, go ahead. No, no, I said I There's there's again. There's some positives to it. I think It'll be fine and we'll forget about it Eventually and it'll yeah, it'll go back to being trusted flaggers. They just should never have renamed it And she's never told us about it That's all I say at at base I don't have a problem with youtube or any other channel Having a system that awards the community for participation in moderation It was it's just a poorly executed attempt at it. And by the way, although my wife does work for youtube She doesn't work in the area that this has anything to do it. So your wife is not the head hero Okay, no in fact what I brought up youtube heroes to her. She's like, what what is that? She's like, no I think I maybe heard something about that. So there you go Uh, I've got a message from ian, uh, who was having a discussion with his elder brother Which made him realize that many people have no clear idea why encryption matters. Here's what ian says He sent me a message using google alo and I replied to say that I didn't think I would try the app Giving the early nature of the assistant. It can be reportedly a bit hit and miss and also some privacy concerns about them storing data So to be clear ian was like, eh, I'm probably not going to use alo. Just not my thing He wasn't coming down on his brother. Sure His brother's reply was that he didn't intend on sending anything top secret using the app And when I pointed out that encryption and a third party storing of your data Wasn't just for top secret and then I preferred to control who could see and potentially sell my data He came back with that's not in my top million concerns Is there a resource you could point me towards that can explain to a muggle like my brother Why encryption is not just for secrets and that privacy should be at least in his top million concerns If not in the top 1,000 Uh, and he says thanks for the great work you do. He's a proud patreon supporter So thank you ian for supporting us over there in scotland. He's uh, he's a day behind because he's in scotland He says I don't know why that happens, but uh, so yeah, I Wow, I couldn't find a particularly perfect resource for this sort of thing I found a a good story on express vpn.com one on lifehacker one on linkedin That go into this but if you were to say something to his brother lamar, what would you say? No, I I think I think the uh, you did you did find a perfect. I think the express vpn was perfect Uh, the the the the five things, you know that you know why we should care about a privacy Everybody does have something to hide if that wasn't the case, you know, we would you know We wouldn't mind having our address Out there our doors unlocked People knowing our income Uh, what are our attractions were I mean some people have some weird things that they and you know is like They want to keep that to themselves I mean a lot of people don't realize that's what privacy is And when you start inputting that kind of information, even if you're doing an innocent search Like I wonder what this is And and you delete it or you clear it out your your cash. It's still logged So what a five years from now you're you're running for something and somebody goes in and says You know, he was looking up a lot of Uh Cat foot fetish type of stuff, you know, is this the kind of guy you want to be your governor? I that's the potential potential problem with that. So privacy to me is Very concerning. I'm a public figure. I'm not a huge public figure, but I am In in the public and I I certainly like to keep a A clamp down on my on my privacy I like iMessage because it is in encrypted and I worry about facebook because I know it is not Uh gmail when it came out was putting ads against keywords that I was emailing And so and alo is supposedly doing the same thing. So it's it's something I I think it's I don't like what people demean other people who have privacy concerns say, oh, there's nothing don't worry about it You know, it is what it is And I will use alo because I want to test it out and I will use it in a way that is very cognizant that that data is being stored Right, uh, but but I see what his brother is saying is like who cares. What do I have to hide? Uh, and as you mentioned lemar, everybody has something they want to hide everybody says They don't have anything to hide until you hit on that one thing. They're like, oh, well, yeah I wouldn't want people to know that. Yeah, I love the article about eric schmidt. He made that comment. Uh, Uh, where is that? Yeah, he made the comment saying, uh, what was it 2009? If you if you're doing something you don't want anyone to know, maybe you should be doing in the first place So cnet went in and I think you might have been there at the time Uh, yeah, see cnet went in and and And did a article with his private information income neighborhood political donations. Nothing bad All public information. Just just all all public stuff that she could find and he was pissed And they blacklisted Does this article and all that so it goes to show you, you know, even him who was very public about Oh, he's everybody should be open. Well Until you until you hit on something that that people don't like Yeah, there's also the the fact that surveillance makes us act differently How many times have you talked to somebody like, oh, I don't want to search for that because I know google logs the search Oh, yeah, well, you know and Yeah happens what it is searching for that don't be searching for the word bomb because you know the nsa is Looking at that like these are p things the actual things. I've heard people say Uh, they can find out more than you reveal I think this is the big one to hit your brother with Ian Which is hey, you may not have anything to hide But they can now use all of that information collated with your browsing history because don't forget there's like 30 sites tracking you at every one site you visit. Uh, that's not a raw. That's not an accurate number But it's rough. It's pretty it's pretty accurate. It's roughly close And so they can start to determine things about you There's a famous study where aol gave anonymized data to a research group who are able to determine The demographic information the sexual orientation of people who were anonymized just based on the data they had So there's more than just your alo data google can take all kinds of other data Even data that is collected from non google sources and put it together conditions may change too. You may not care today Uh, but then down the road What if there's a hack of alo and all of a sudden you're like, oh now that all that stuff's outside of google hold on Uh, it could lead to identity theft Maybe you get a disease and your insurance company goes back and looks at your alo and says well, you're talking about eating all this bad food We're we're not going to cover you. Uh, I mean I mean look what happened at yahoo 500 million. I mean it can happen Yeah Yeah, man, and and my final point is your data is valuable You you should be able to control it Uh, and and this is one thing where I think alo doesn't do a horrible job They give you an incognito mode that is into an encrypted that is not stored And they give you the ability to go in and delete your data that is stored if you like So it's not horrible. You have to go do it manually though Yeah, okay, so that's great that they offer that but Why not? Well, it's not in google's interest. I was just about to ask a stupid question Why not just off have that by default? That that is not yeah Originally announced that it was going to be by default and then they found out that the assistant didn't work as well When they didn't make collection and storage default So it's it's exactly what you just said it wasn't in their interest to do it that way But I think all data should be under the user's control and should be very clear what is happening to your data And again, I'll give I'll give google Props for being very upfront about this is what we're doing. This is what's collected Like we know all these things how many other websites are out there collecting information that you have no idea What they're collecting about you and what they're doing with it Yeah, do you think we think we have a right to be compensated for our data? I think we do Uh, I that compensation may just be a free service and I think that is a fair situation to say Okay, I know I'm going to give you this information about you about me in exchange for Being able to use your social network for free or your messaging system for free as long as we know what we're giving I think that's fair. Okay And there there's also this other thing You're judged by all your behavior and people do not display What scientists call cross situational stability? So you may say well, I have nothing to hide because you think when I'm messaging I will never lie But you also you may lie in some other situation people people don't act the same in every situation This is all that Wow, I actually learned learned them quite a bit here, you know about how to data gets, you know Put together like yeah one in you, you know, you're this person and another in you're this person They put it together Yeah, and they and and so I don't know if that helps you ian But we'll have those links in the show notes And I may write this up as a patreon post as well these five things. Yeah, you're your links are absolutely outstanding So thank you. Thank you. Uh lamar wilson for joining us and of course people can go subscribe to your youtube channel youtube.com Slash lamar or wilson. Uh, you also wait. You've got a new one. Well wilson tech Wait the way I see a different url here that i'm used to seeing and i'm wondering where it came from Oh, no, no, that's always been my default Used to hate for 2008 and lamar wilson is my alias over that because that goes to that Yeah, never say wilson take It's all com slash lamar wilson, but before we go um my lin parota So here you have twitter Which is this little beautiful bird here So you wait what you did lamar's job you you did an illustration I did I did and so if this is beautifully drawn, I took a lot of time doing this So the the two circles on the left or twitter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's got it's a bird Oh, it's the twitter bird. Okay. Okay. You have to look really carefully to see the circle at the baseball bat with the angles There's actually a cat with stubby legs. Okay. Oh, yeah, I know okay. I see it That's google like wanting to eat up twitter. Oh, yeah Yeah So if you want to buy this I like the cat Metaflare. Yeah, so if you want to purchase this, uh, don't don't Go to make a wrap of the video and print it out on your printer Go to lin parota site. Yeah. No seriously, uh I we're very much missing len today. We wish you were here Uh, but this gives you an opportunity to go to len parole to store.com and just look back through all the great art That he has done for the show over the past several years. There's amazing things in there Uh, and I highly encourage you to to plop down for a printer to I've got a couple myself I know darin has a huge collection of them covering his walls jenny josephson has a ton too So I go go take a look at you if you actually go to len parole to store.com and just look at that page Full of stuff. It's incredibly impressive The output that len has had and the quality of his art. It's really cool. 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Have i been missing this? Not only have you missed it, but it may be going away I never i never see a youtube video of it like because i always audio only oh, okay only it's only subscribe to your youtube feed No, pete pete just does it on uh, he actually does it on monday morning australian time which allows him to get it out for sunday in north america Um and then or maybe he does it on sunday night australian time I can't remember and he's been doing it every other week But and we had it as a patreon goal, but we just weren't making a lot of progress towards it so One of my goals with dts is to create a platform For people to be able to like get experience and incubate ideas and take them elsewhere And so what's happened with day six is he's gotten a lot of great feedback from Viewers in australia and viewers in other parts of the world And so he's going to take that and launch it as an independent show And and so those people can still directly support it and help them out with it that way That's good, man. That's what we're gonna do. It's it's actually the best of both worlds So it'll it'll become fully his which is great. I love that You're a good guy. Oh, thanks I I I hope that it it takes off and flies like that bird of twitter in your drawing should It's about to fly right now right into the garbage. Oh, no It's being destroyed in front of my eyes. I can't watch We need we need to pick a uh, uh A showbot title Oh, I lamar wears all the hats is leading right now Literally did not wear a single hat. I didn't wear hat today Uh, we don't need another youtube hero Oh, really? Are we are we not a song's gonna be stuck in my head? There goes my hero. Watch him as he flags Now is that song stuck at your head? I don't know what that's I don't know that song there goes my hero Watch him as he flags. Is that country? No, it's like food fighters. I think oh, okay I I forget it's not it's not yacht rock. So you don't listen to it. Exactly Um, that's why it did right yacht rock is about me. Um going from youtube hero to zero Check your privacy at the door How much is that twitter in the window? A picture says more than a thousand meta tags I think something with the twitter story would at least get from for the for the search Google plus twitter equals all the buzz Oh, wow That is who put that that is genius What the twitter google plus twitter equals? Yeah, like you see you. Yeah, even if you never use it That is just like that. I got that immediately. Yeah It's a deep cut, but it's a good one. Yeah, that's fascinating Drop that zero and get with the hero There's a lot of here youtube hero titles in here They really went nuts with that big hero nicks Hero today con tomorrow Oh Yeah, there's only a couple of twitter ones though. Okay. Well, yeah, I mean One of the hero ones worked in well, I need to actually start levelating this So we've got a little time and let let's if you're watching live show about that tv Go put in a vote Yeah, all these different links I forget you even had a chat going during this. Oh, yeah, I mean, yeah, oops get in the chat people Hashtag for sale that's actually pretty good Okay, you know what? Yeah, I kind of like that one that that's subtle biting uh-huh That's perfect. We'll get we'll give it. We'll give people a few more minutes to vote See what else bubbles up but that's that's the uh That's definitely the front runner. I'm putting it. I'm putting it in the In idle feed right now. It's just Something else gonna have to up unseat it Now I have foo fighters stuck in my head, but you don't because you don't know that song I do not but I know that we don't need another hero How much is that twitter in the window didn't get that song stuck in your head? I don't know that song how much is that doggie in the window? You underestimate my palette of uh of music. I I am I am 80s only if that wasn't 80s that I How much is that doggie in the window is like 20s? So, oh, yeah Yeah, but it's like been in cartoons and stuff. So How much is that dog in the window? You can you can sing it 20 different ways. I am not Singing might be Insulting the singers I'm like Tom. Can you send that again? How did how did that sound? Yeah? Well, I'm glad you asked Let me warm up my my pipes That doggie in the window Actually, I like that better You should do a cover version of it. Oh, absolutely Lamar's jazz Jazz covers of the songs not from the 80s That doggie By wow That doggie Me all right hashtag for sales starting to run away with it. So I think we we're gonna call we're gonna call the race We're gonna call it DBS can now project That hashtag for sale will win The title vote Yes, run with it and Al Gore I miss Al Gore. What is Al Gore doing these days? I don't even know about policies. I just he's just like a he's data. I like data sitting on his porch drinking a mint jula I don't know I'm I miss I miss old Al Al Gore The man who who would be president Would The popular vote, you know, I I think there needs to be I'm sure seeing in on someone do it But I know you don't touch the politics But it'd be interesting if someone really broke down because that's even from to the 2000 vote That was that was what 16 years ago. Yeah, and I was I don't know how that was in 2000 2022 some of them I still don't I I still don't Understand and comprehend how the electorate electorate vote Works and how the popular vote did not matter, you know, like it'd be it I know I know someone will cover it again before november so I'm I'm I I'm I have the impulse to try to explain it, but yeah, it is complicated like no it is It's like it's I feel like it's show worthy, but maybe not your show I don't know who should I like it just like I just really want politics politics politics with jesson robber young Maybe oh does he does he do a policy again? It's kind of like it's kind of like that facebook thing like it's a math problem, right? it's basically if um, if algor wins by millions of votes In states that only have like five electoral votes. He only still only gets five electoral votes It's because it's winner take all right the more you win by doesn't mean you get more votes In most states, so what happens is he wins by large margins in certain states, but it doesn't help It doesn't help him because he only gets that maximum number of electoral votes And then george bush wins by close margins But wins maybe by dies in florida's case a few votes, but he gets all 20 electoral votes He gets all 16 electoral We have enough of those close states that go in bush's favor and enough of those lopsided states that are low electoral count and suddenly the map on the electoral college goes one way But the popular vote can go another Interesting so he okay, so yeah bush secured the electorate While al gore Score more of the okay more of the popular so to us as common people were like wait a minute Because most of us didn't even understand then what I mean I didn't yeah, and there's a can from chicago says some states are split I think there's like one or two states that split the electoral votes almost all of the states are winner take all But even then you could win within the split because it's like main I think has four electoral votes and they split them up, but it's split up by region So if you win by huge amounts in each of those regions and you get all four electoral votes You still don't get more because you won by more. It's still you only get those four Is that is that because I wonder why that exists? Is that is that just because some states are smaller and it wouldn't be fair I mean You can get a lot of people arguing why it exists the the explanation that I Usually go with is at the time of the constitutions 1789 The states were still very independent and they wanted to make sure that A state with more population Didn't outweigh The vote of a state with small populations So they said let's let's put some balance in here And and the other idea that nobody wants to talk about is the electoral college originally Was not by popular vote The electoral college was appointed by the governor in most cases It was up to the states how to elect their electors But the entire concept of the electoral college was we will have a group of wise people choose the president It will not be a popular election It was it was the states that started to say well What we'll do is we'll have a popular vote and the voters will choose the electors And and that's why we have this weird system where we now think of it as a popular vote But it's at root. It's just supposed to be A council of of independent neutral minds. So those electors are actual people then those votes Yeah, yeah When you when you vote for president in the united states, you don't vote for president even though it says John Kerry or George Bush What you're voting for is I am voting for the slate of electors that are pledged to vote for this person Wow And that's what you hear about faithless electors Because some states have laws that say you you are it is against a law for you not to vote for the person that you are pledged to vote for But people have changed their electoral votes there There have been there was a vote for john ford in the electoral college when he wasn't running One year, uh, they're they're I can't remember off the top of my head all of them But there have been several instances. So are these electorates like senators or? There's sometimes there's sometimes retired politicians or court officials or party luminaries It's it's usually An honor given to somebody for their service to say we'll be an elector for our party. Are they hidden? Or are they funny? I remember the illinois ballot used to list the names of the electors on the ballot They don't do that anymore But it is a matter of public record. You have to be able to find out who the electors are Okay, I didn't mean to turn your your your show to a political thing at the end. I just I mean you wanted to explain it. So well, um I I actually hate the electoral college. I think it's awful Uh, well the way the way the way the way you make it sound sounds Awful, I mean the people who defend it these days say, ah, but it makes sure that you know The president pays attention presidential candidates pay attention to the entire country Instead of just instead of just focusing on the large population centers Because if we didn't have the electoral college, they'd spend a lot of time in new york city a lot of time in los angeles a lot of time in chicago I'm in a lana in houston because that's where the most people are Um, and so you will see them Campaign in a place like ohio that maybe they wouldn't spend as much time in I I think that's a pretty Weak defense, uh because they don't go to south dakota and north dakota They don't really go to the entire country as a matter of the electoral college. Interesting Well, you you just explained something That I haven't had been able to have someone explain to me. Oh good. Yeah, uh, so leave leave leave it to tom maron. I'll tell you That's really fascinating I'm fascinated with the electoral college because I I'm fascinated with that original idea of let's get a panel of experts to elect our president Right, like that original idea of the electoral college was like the wisest minds the smartest people will come together And and it will be up to the states to figure out the best way to appoint these wise and neutral minds I'm like, can you imagine if we actually did that if we just picked like philosophers and political scientists Yeah, just just deal deal to grass Tyson only. Yeah You know or William F. Buckley and and like have all of those great minds come together in a room and say You should choose who the person to lead our country would would be that that idea fesses me I think it's almost entirely unworkable in practice. Yeah, it is pretty fascinating now. Yeah Hmm They have they have some good ideas back then They just didn't write them tight enough Yeah Well, thank you for you guys. No, I'm serious like that was fascinating Well, it's it's just an area of my interest that I've Especially I I was interested in these Few times that The president has not been elected by popular vote. It's only happened to like three or four times Oh, it did happen before gore. Yeah, it hadn't happened since the 1800s though until Bush Gore. Okay. Wow I was actually up cheering In a way When that happened because I was like, wow, I'm getting to witness history something people thought would never happen again Is actually happening and I'm like, finally this will show To people why we shouldn't have the electoral No, no, not so much At least it wakes people up to I mean I consider myself a studied person. I didn't understand it. So Like, you know It's good things happen like that. So we can say wait a minute It it does account directly like that. We think it does, but you know, it does for smaller elections Yeah, there there is no other Yeah, I've gotten in some some very smart and reasonable people still believe that the electoral college is better And and they have their reasons and that's I respect that Um And so, you know, I when I get frustrated I'm like, great, then why don't we elect our senators that way? Let's give a lecture. Let's have an electoral college of the counties in each state Come together and make sure that all the counties get represented. Like why is that different? Why don't we use this anywhere else? The my belief is the only reason we have the electoral college is inertia It's been that way forever and the candidates like that. They can game that system Uh, and and so nobody has is motivated to get rid of it yes see we You gotta do a political show because you don't we don't want to listen to because I don't like politics Well, I you know, I do east meets west with roger, uh, and we don't always get political, but we do sometimes For some reason it doesn't want to upload to soundcloud. There we go You had to put the extra vote in make it work. It yeah, soundcloud doesn't like me talking crap about the electoral college We refuse to upload your file I don't even want to like look at your chat to see what's going on They're pretty good. Okay And strike it rich points out senators used to be appointed by the states originally we actually changed that Um Anthem ike says the problem is the population is becoming more urban. I don't think that's the problem I don't think the electoral college fixes that problem um I don't know I could go on and on there. There is a uh, here's one for you There is a guy who is been for decades now trying to push a movement to Get states to pass a law and he's gotten several states to pass this law Saying that if a majority of the states also pass a similar law They will give all of their electors to the winner of the total us popular vote. Oh So you would essentially without having to amend the constitution you would undermine the electoral college Uh, and his idea was like if I can get a majority of the states to pass this law Then They like then we don't have to do anything and the states will just give their electors to the winner of the popular vote And that'll be that one cool thing about that is you would not necessarily be able to call the election as early as you are now Right now as soon as the east coast is done You can kind of call the election because you know how the electoral map is going to play it play out Popular vote swings a lot more over that time So so you would you would have to wait until the popular vote was certain Before you started to call it could be the next day. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, as we saw in 2000 it could be several things can be weeks So I almost forgot about the how long that went. I know Uh, yes The good ol electoral college. This is uh, why we also need buggy whips Why have we let the buggy whip industry fall apart? That's a buggy whip Exactly Something that was new when the electoral college was new Uh, it's what you use for your to get your horse and on your bug when your horse and buggy Okay Well, we don't Yeah, do you have a horse? No, I sure don't my sister does Well, yeah, you're from that party Eleanor. No, she doesn't she doesn't use it to go to work You imagine parking your horse for the day We had some hitching posts, uh in downtown greenville still when I was growing up nobody used him, but they were there I yeah, people did park their horses. Why am I sitting there saying Why would be yeah, they that's exactly what they did you hitched. Yeah, you hitched your horse And you put a coin in okay, I'll stop You put your silver dollar. Yeah, and then you get a swift kick for doing that. Yeah, bright kappa penny Parking has gone up to two pennies Hi swag Could you imagine Going back there with just like 50 bucks. You'd be like the king you you like the ruler The sultan. Yeah ruler of a town just 50 dollars But you'd have to have 50 dollars in that Print money too. Yeah, but like the worth of it. So yeah, so it'll be It'll be more I wonder that's a really I had never thought about this So if you wanted to go back in time to the 1800s with 50 dollars, how much would it cost you to get 50 dollars of 1800s era currency? Oh, she could fake it at that point. You don't have any technology What am I talking about There's a new show in NBC. I just saw on huddle yesterday Well, it comes out in a week or two called um, or this is already out where it's a it's a time It's one of those shows but they go back they have to go back in time to find a yeah, it's not NBC. Isn't it? I think Yeah, yeah, I forgot just for I can't think of the name right now, but I looked at the preview. It looks really interesting uh Only I thought it was you know Let's bring race into it But they they did in the show. It's like the guy was like at you know time travel is not great for a black Like at no point can we go back It's especially not the u.s. Yeah, and I've always said that too. It's like people like what would you want to go back in time to? It was like, yeah, it's a little bit complicated as pretty far Pretty far No, they actually thought I thought they dealt with that pretty interestingly in legends of tomorrow Uh, because that's a time. Yeah, they did bring it up there too. Yeah, exactly No, and and things do come up in there where people say, you know, hey, you know, what you're doing here boy or whatever Yeah, it's like, you know, it's it's legit. I don't get offended. That's just what that's what it was. Well, they're trying to be the era appropriate that yeah, that is a fact of how people acted so A timeless is timeless. Yeah, I I have mixed feelings because it looked like you say it looks really interesting and I love that kind of story I've been burned before though Was was slight. Well, yeah, we had these slides. I'm yeah slider. Well, no sliders is pretty good I love sliders. I'm thinking more was the recent one with um, the guy who plays bones in the new star trek reboot He was like some kind of time travel cop or something You know, so much just futuristic. Oh, you talk about time tracks from the 90s. Oh, wow Do you remember time track? Yeah That was oh, I love that show a voyagers. Do you remember not star trek voyager, but voyagers I remember the name. I can't picture. They had to go back and fix time. It was almost like a quantum leap type take on things Okay, wow Thank you ken from chicago almost human Was the almost human. Okay, that wasn't necessarily a time traveler show But it was like, oh, this is like a really cool sci-fi concept and then I watched it and I'm like Time tracks was the best, um Show to promote using a credit card Like like mastercard and yeah, I think it was a mastercard who had to had to had to have the sponsorship It was it was great Because you know, I don't I don't want to send that credit cards from a prayer with him But like they're not a not a sort of war now But man, they put some money into making that that thing like shoot pellets. I don't if I forget what they did My mastercard has never done that It can open up anything. Yeah. Yeah. I've been trying to find like old episodes. I you can't find it anywhere I would love to watch There's another one there that goes on my list along with 10 speed and brown shoe of like When I could find all these shows on demand Then I will know that online television has reached its its form. Absolutely Absolutely, it's on the prime time entertainment. Oh, it was on the prime time. Yeah, yeah Because the things keep going back and forth like I I looked at my hulu queue and I'm like, wait a minute. We're always arrow. Where's where's flash? Yeah They cw pulled Out their agreement their agreement ended. They didn't renew with hulu. I didn't know that they're doing their own apps now Which they already had mobile apps, but they're going to do an xbox one I think it's coming out within the week an xbox one or roku and apple tv fire tv They're doing apps for all of that. So you'll be able to get them as a cord cutter But only through the cw apps. Yeah, and as they said, yeah, right there yesterday said it's free Yeah, I thought it was that support See because I don't like the way that app looks. I hope it's different from that Well, I used to watch all those cw shows on hulu because I pay for the commercial free tier So, yeah, same here But now because I'm gonna have to watch commercials if I use the cw app I'm probably going to go back to watching them over the air because I can use the tivo ad skip I was you know, I was thinking about you yesterday because it's like I should get it I have no room for a tivo in my cabinet So like I should get a tivo. I was like, who's the one person in the world that I know still has one I'm like Tom. Yeah Say if I were you're gonna do it right now, I'd probably get a channel master Um, because they don't require a service fee and they work great from what people have told me I've never heard of that company. It's a smaller company, but they they do an over-the-air dvr Specifically for cord cutters. Oh Okay. Yeah, awesome. All right. Well, we are going to jump out of here. Uh once again, uh miss you Len Peralta, Roger Chang and Darren kitchen, uh, but huge. Thank you Lamar Wilson for joining us today. Yes, sir Thank you for having me. I really enjoyed it I love that the post show is almost seemed to be his own show. Sheesh Yeah And you could subscribe to that show at our new patreon rssp. We'll talk to you later peace