 operating a cloud outside of the USA in Australia if they are more than 10% owned by the USA or is it something something like that then the Patriot Act has the right to be able to intercept without warrant without notification to customer or anything data in that cloud now that to me is a bit you know that's overstepping the bounds of the the the the rights of the US to be able to intrude into my private or personal or my corporate data some people have said it's not an issue because there are international treaties that deal with with interception of things like that but I would much rather if my data is going to be intercepted and we do have a problem I'd much rather deal with my own local authorities than try and get redress from the United States so I think it's important for other nations around the world that you can build these data sovereignty compliant clouds without fear of that US ownership situation that you might come across with Amazon you might come across with the zoo I mean the general manager of Microsoft Azure in Europe said he could not guarantee that the data was not susceptible to interception from from the Patriot Act so I don't want that you know you one of the things John Dickinson says the swift project technical lead is you must always retain ownership of your data no matter what so it's that that's the big important thing impact on business the business risk of having clouds that that you can't control or you can't you know boundary off business examples of outside of the for the rest of the world seen a dot-com in China Mercado Libre down in Brazil career telecom us of course we have a classic example we have a legal firm that does legal forensics they cannot use cloud that is in any way susceptible to any yeah yeah anything outside of Australia has to be an entirely Australian owned company they're very strict privacy laws in Australia so they can only use us which is great you know and there's more companies like that we have one of the business intelligence companies we have they can only use an Australian based Australian owned Australian operated business full stop so I imagine the Indian government may have somebody I'm not aware you're probably but you know it is it's in the interests of your government to maintain privacy and maintain those sort of rules as well so so to sum up cloud is big open stack is big it's is the hottest software project on the planet right now full stop there is nothing anyone name anything bigger I don't know the other cool thing is I mean if you're not involved with it I mean you look at the list of companies that are doing it now who's not involved with it I mean we had EMC join the other day I can only think of Amazon but I guarantee you they've got a team sitting in there somewhere keeping an eye on it guarantee so it's having a global impact now so get with it get on it let's do it I think that's it so I'd like to ask some questions I guess because I you know I'd like it to get feedback about what you might feel things you'd like to raise with with an individual represent representative on the board of directors so if you've got any questions yes I also hold on this portfolio in Dell Dell India so one of the things I want to know is that what is the aspiration of customers in Australia when you bid them or ask them what are their pain points do they compare it with a closed source like we cloud or Amazon and how do you address them okay the question was typical customers in Australia what are the pain points and how we're addressing that well I mentioned before the backyard syndrome one of the things is is uptake in Australia has been a bit slow what we've tried to do is use private cloud to get on premise get people comfortable with cloud concept so we're partnered with we partner with Pisting cloud first as a quick and easy way to get a drop in private cloud deployment into enterprise so they could have a play with it get used to it get comfortable with it the modus operandi from that is to encourage them to feel comfortable with that and and draw them out into hybrid or hosted private that's probably the main pain point at the moment if that answers your question great this is Chris my question to you as a individual member to the web open stack board what are you going to do to ensure transparency in board discussions during the first board meeting there was some tweets coming out talking about what is being discussed and there was there was some proposal to shut people down from talking about what is happening in the board meeting yeah and the second board meeting at San Diego there was not a single tweet or anything about what is being discussed yeah so how are you going to ensure that there is complete transparency inside the during those discussions because without complete transparency this is not a real open source community project so what are you going to do for that I understand very good question indeed the question was about transparency of the board meetings and how we have had issues with that and I absolutely accept that initially I think that they'll as I said we're in our infancy we're still we're learning what's going on at the moment and not everything's been done right and I totally agree with that that that first board meeting things were discussed in executive session does everyone know what the executive session is the board we basically have to shut down any public interaction with it and just discuss matter with the board itself now what we're trying to do at the moment is exclude that executive session and this is something that is a governance thing and a legal thing is to exclude those executive sessions to matters of legal privilege that and I know that sort of might not satisfy people but if it's it's like if I robbed a bank and and I need to talk to my lawyer it's the same sort of thing you know I have that right to legal privilege it's it's something I can't really quite a fire explain and I would certainly like to engage you further on that and I can take that up with with the legal counsel mark Radcliffe DLR Piper who are assisting us with that sort of matter the other matter of course is the discussion of that take takes place for admission of new gold members that's the one that might be contentious I don't know how to address that either really one of the things I think is kind of well we've had various companies coming I know there's a lot of controversy about VMware joining there was a lot of discussion during that executive session across the board because there are certain people that were very for VMware being there certain people against it I sort of was sitting in the middle somewhere thinking I'm not sure really so can you follow up on that that's my problem like I want the discussion about loving other companies to come in that should be transparent because if I'm going to contribute to open stack I would love to know why VMware is either allowed or denied into the project so I think that should be completely open and transparent yeah I agree like things like executive pay and stuff like that that can be kept confidential allowing other companies to come in it should be totally transparent and that's that's what bothers me a lot like well they shut people down on that like that bothers me a lot okay well certainly I mean certainly there is an ongoing discussion about how that's handled I mean we've done the two make the two sitting board members we had the VMware NEC admission to the first one we had you know events and another company from France you know I guess we'll we'll have to see what happens on the next board meeting I agree with you I mean if we can't have that discussion in public and I know during those executive sessions there was some fairly heated argument and things that some of those people would be ashamed of I guess speaking in public about because they were quite you know angry upset or emotional about various aspects of the admission of those companies so that that needs to be tempered I guess and that should probably should be made public as you say yeah I agree Hawking is one of your mark you know kind of saying that adopt you know open stack and the other thing is like data being private within the country or whatever you can have a non-promised but what are the guarantees that today open stack cannot make or suffer from making to the customers are there any guarantees that you can't make when you go to your customers the guarantees that you can't make yeah with regards to say for instance Amazon gives a lot of guarantees right of they can't give the guaranteed data will be there in a in a particular location you can actually replicate them well we do I actually take customers to our data centers and say here's your data it's in any one of those racks in any one of those but here it is is that is that the kind of guarantee so my question is what are the guarantees that today open stack doesn't have or cannot make using open stack no there are a few things coming out in the grizzly summit with regards to multi-cell Nova architecture federated identity and stuff like that so as of right now you can't you can't have you can't guarantee a customer that you can start an instance in any of the availability zones with grizzly that's changing some of the other things that are coming out is there are going to be multiple zones inside swift geographical regions right now if there are you can you can replicate a swift container across multiple sites using hacks you can do you can do container that replication but it's not built into swift that is coming okay so these problems are being addressed and they are being looked at I guess because open stack has such a fast release cycle I think six months from the time that someone raises a point okay it's already been tested in three three dot releases or three beta releases and by the time it comes out it's very stable so swift is one of the most stable components of open stack so look there is work being done around availability and zones and stuff like that I guess the only place where open stack falls down is metering and billing and that's being worked on as well so our answer to your question would be yes there are some constraints and we do tell tell them to the