 I started off as a social worker, working with children adolescents and I worked in the department of child and family psychiatry and one day somebody came to visit us who was a TA psychotherapist and he did a workshop and I was really bowled over about the idea of how people have got three guest days for the parent, adult and child and some of the skills that he taught us on that day. I thought wow I could take this back and use this with the families that I were with and I did and it was really effective so it got me to think because at that time as well as working with children and adolescents I was a qualified councillor and I thought I want to know more about this and that was in the 80s so here I am now working as a psychotherapist and I've become a trainer and I now supervise. Well every year we have conferences, the TA community, New Carter conferences and that's where I met Bob at the time I was living in Norfolk working as a social worker manager part-time and a psychotherapist part-time and then about 97 I took up a whole practice here and completed my training and here I am I have looked back since then and really really love my work. I've had 25 years experience as a social worker working with children adolescents so that really informed my work for a long long time. I'm on the teaching programme here now so I teach on the four year programme, the adult psychotherapy four year modules and I also teach on the children adolescent psychotherapy programme as well so I kind of get the best of both worlds really. We're a community so anybody coming here will get a really good service because we really are very careful about how we select people that come on our training they have to have a therapy themselves they have to be in supervision so ethically they're very well supported. I think people get to a point in their lives where they're so stuck they keep going around in the same circle over and over again and they're so uncomfortable they can't bear it anymore they have to do something now some people go to the GP some people you know turn to drugs and alcohol but for the most part most of us think do you know what there's got to be something more than this they come and they get a service that provides them with something that's lasting and they can carry that with them and carry on with their lives happily.