 Hello and welcome to the Zelda Informer podcast as officially of this past weekend and now I am your host Alfred Tabax. I'm joined by two wonderful and beautiful men, Nathaniel Rumpeljantz. Say hi. Yo, yo, yo. And a returning star, McIntyre. Hey, what's going on? You know, we could be out there trick-or-treating and getting candy, but I think the real treat is being among friends recording a podcast tonight. I did trick-or-treat. Okay, so. It's all over in my area. So Nate abandoned us, but it's okay. So let's just get right into the news. I have, like as Nate usually does, and then I'm going to do, I'm going to start with some Zelda news, and we have not a huge thing, but it's still a pretty big thing for those of you that still have the game. So Ravio and you guys we knew before have been, were confirmed for Hyrule Warriors Legends, but now we saw a gameplay of them in the game, which looked pretty good. We saw how they play. We saw how they interacted, and I just wanted to get your guys' thoughts on that. Like, do you think that they are a good addition to the game? Were they necessary? Would you rather have seen other characters in the game? It actually released today. It did? Yes. Okay. As of today, as of the recording. By the way, we are recording on Halloween. That's true. That's why I'm trick-or-treating. Like we released on Wednesday, so just people know like if there's Halloween stuff, it's because this is Halloween stuff. Especially the intro music, just be careful. Yes. It's very subtle. Yeah. So I actually played a little bit of it because I bought the big DLC pass way back when. It's fun. I like the characters, but again, there hasn't been a character they added that I don't like. So maybe my opinion doesn't matter because I'm biased towards liking them. Since this, as far as we're aware, this is the final DLC for the game. I wish there would have been a little bit of story added on just to end everything, but I can't really complain because they did story addition already earlier. Yeah. That's one of the things that I like about Nintendo in terms of their DLC is that it's not like, oh, well, the game was incomplete, and now we feel like they need to add extra stuff to complete the story. I feel like the game, kind of like Smash Bros., not that Smash Bros. had a story to it, but it was kind of a complete game, and then anything extra was just extra stuff that Smash Bros. used to have a story way back in the day. Back in the Wii game. And 64 days too. Really? Yeah. There was a big story around Master Hand. Oh, okay. So what do you think? A lot of people forget that because that hasn't been what Smash Bros. has been about in the long term. I like the Sub-Space Emissary. That was a fun thing. Oh, Sub-Space Emissary was awesome. People hated it. I loved it. What do you think about those characters in McIntyre? In terms of, like, Hyrule Warriors, I don't know, honestly, I haven't been keeping up too much on it, but what I really enjoy about Hyrule Warriors in general and how the characters really, like, got fine-tuned, or at least not really balanced because I know Fierce Deity Link is just absolutely broken, but I love it. In terms of, like, Nuke... It feels like it should be broken. Absolutely. In terms of, like, let's say, new characters I would like to see in Hyrule Warriors, I don't know, honestly, I would like to see Russell and the Hero Shade in Hyrule Warriors. And I thought they really needed to be there in the first place, but maybe in the future. Yeah, in terms of Twilight Princess characters, well, I really do like the fact that we have Minna and Zant, or Zant, however you want to pronounce it. I'm okay with Twilight Minna, but her voice is weird. Like, the grunts or whatever noises she makes, they just, they sound weird. It's like they don't match up with the in-game stuff. Yeah. It just sounds like... Like... Go ahead. I don't know. It's like... I know that, you know, the in-game stuff apparently was, I can't remember. It was something talking backwards thing for it, but I don't know. I wish they were... Whoever did all the stuff for the original Minna, I wish they would have just had them come back for this game. It just feels weird that... It's one of the few times, like, there's some games that switch voice actors for things, and you can't really tell because some of those voices are easier to pull off. Even the guy who does all the Mario voices, there's several people that could do Mario just as good as he does. And that's not to, like, knock what he does. He is the voice of Mario, so he should be doing it as long as he can. But it's like, you know, if a day comes where he can't do it anymore, Nintendo won't have a problem finding someone who sounds like him. Just... I don't know if it's because of the iconic nature of Mario, so people have just practiced it enough to do it. But I don't know. It felt like they kind of cheapened out on that aspect. And for me, as a huge Twilight Princess fan, it's really jarring. Like you're playing Twilight Princess HD, then you hop into Hyrule Warriors, and it's like, oh, okay. These are the same characters? Like... Really? That reminds me. But that's, like, my one complaint out of all this DLC they released is like, well, it's just the... Probably there really wasn't DLC for the 3DS. That's true. That's true. That's true. They said he's no longer the voice of Mario, like it said, like, it was the form of Orysism. Like that. Oh, that was a Facebook bug. Oh. Oh, okay, good. Yeah. It said he was the former everything, and it apparently happened to a bunch of people. I'm glad, because I was worried about that, too. I didn't... Yeah, I read that story, and there was, like, so many sites that didn't update it. It's like, dude, he literally tweeted out that, no, he's still the voice of Mario. It was a Facebook bug. But apparently no one follows him on Twitter. I mean, I think that's for all... Poor guy. I'm sorry for you, Charles, man. You're an awesome voice actor. You know what's weird about him? Okay, I watched him do a panel. I don't know if it was Comic-Con or something. So, one of those cons that... Maybe it was PAX East, I don't know. He did some panel, and you're hearing him talk. He sounds like he is Mario. Like, that's just who he is. That's, like, how he talks. I mean, part of it, I was like, man, this is kind of annoying. Like, he literally is Mario. That's his personality. He's, like, adopted the fact that I'm Mario, and that's just the way it is. Well, I've never seen a voice actor love their character so much like he does. His personality personifies what Mario is. Like, I met him at the past Comic-Con I was at in June of this past year. Yeah, this year. And he signed my Smash Bros. game. And for all the characters, he, like, made the voices as he wrote them out like on Mario or Luigi or Wario. And it was just, it was really funny to watch because, like, this is something that he does every day. I imagine that, like, he's talking to people and just slips into these voices. It's just natural. It's just who he is. Yeah. He used to say that way for as long as he can. We need people like that. As I said, as annoying as it got to me hearing his personality basically be Mario for like an hour on a panel, it's still one of those, it's highly unique. So as much as I might get annoyed by it, it's just maybe because I don't want to hear the personality of Mario talking to me for an hour. It's not that entertaining to me, but for, you know, it's still really cool that he basically lives and breathes these characters. Just really dedicated to his craft, obviously. So moving on from that topic then, a recent report was put out that said Nintendo will still put out 3DS software post-switch launch. So after we get the switch, we will still get 3DS software. They believe that the console can still live with the switch and that kind of makes sense because they've really pushed the fact that while it is a hybrid, it's primarily a home console. So while it can be taken on the go, they, for some reason, they're emphasizing that it's not the main way to play it and they still want to push out 3DS software. So what do you guys think about that? Man. There's a couple paths I think you can take with this. There's the viewpoint that they said this exact same thing about the DS and the DS ended up overtaking everything. It's basically like a fail set. Oh, if the switch fails, it's okay. We never abandoned the 3DS so we can release the DS or whatever. You know, just, I mean, that was the plan with the DS. If the DS was a failed idea, they would just go back to the Game Boy brand and release a new Game Boy. But they didn't need to do that obviously because the DS blew up. So that's one way to take it. I think that it all depends on what exactly the switch is. Now obviously we know it's a hybrid, it's a home console. They're emphasizing it's a home console first that you could take because they're trying to make it be look. You could take AAA gaming on the go. That's never been a thing that's worked this well before and we're trying to make it a thing. And that only works if the system is powerful. That only works if somehow they can maintain at least three hours of battery life. That's the rumor. I hope it's more than that. But again, if it's really, really powerful, I mean, that's a lot. Three hours of battery life is pretty good. Especially for AAA home console gaming. So I think it depends on what they're doing with the switch because if they come up with a switch and say, look, this thing is $250 and it's twice or three times as powerful as a Wii U, not quite at Xbox One level and we're going to run the 3DS along with it. 3DS is $200. It feels like they're going to be competing in the same market for that handle of stuff where people making games with a 3DS might be like, well, why aren't we making them just for the switch? Why are we still making them for the 3DS? I think the only way it can coexist is it comes out the 3DS, the new 3DS, whatever, drops down to $150 and then the switch sells at $300 and then they're just targeting two different markets where you're going to buy your kids a 3DS or 2DS and the adults are going to buy the switch. And then you could argue you could support both platforms. But then, in the back of my mind it's like but then that defeats part of my hype for the switch which was like all Nintendo games one platform. And that's something I worry about. That worried me about that too, because for me when I heard that the Pokemon Company was making a game for the switch I was like, awesome, maybe we'll get a 3D full Pokemon game even if it's like an advanced port of Sun and Moon, that'd be awesome. But to hear that they're still planning on putting stuff out for 3DS, for me, and then two for 3DS next year. That's what I'm expecting is like we're going to get some sort of battle revolution for the switch and then we're going to end up getting all the mainline Pokemon games still on portables. Which like you said I'm excited about the idea of having all of my Nintendo games on one platform because that way if I do want to play X I don't have to buy Y to play it. I can always just play it on one console. It also helps the software droughts. Which is something they need to address. I know they have a huge list of third party supporting it, but it's kind of like until the proof is in the pudding you need Nintendo to have everything they can have put on the switch. Because dividing up your software lineup and dividing up your company or your production studios into two different sections where one's designing for the 3DS and the other's designing for the Wii U, the Wii or the switch that's going to create production droughts or game droughts where we're going to see one huge block of games come out for the 3DS within a span of one or two or three months but then it's just going to stop for a while while we see games come out for the switch and while that may not be the worst thing that's not ideal because then we're not seeing enough switch games to come out to warrant buying a switch and then we're not seeing enough 3DS games to warrant having it still around. And that's what my fear is like, okay well you need to sell me on this thing and sell me that it is this all inclusive Nintendo platform that all of my games are going to be on and I don't have to worry about the 3DS and keeping it maintaining that while I still have it I'm probably not going to want to go out and buy for whatever reason they decide well there's the switch version and then there's the 3DS version that you could pay for which I hope they don't do I'd stick with the switch version the definitive version of the game yeah I think it's more of the latter that I originally mentioned where Nintendo is just kind of keeping the 3DS alive because it's their most popular platform in case the switch just bombs that's really interesting since I believe very recently they announced Mario Maker on the 3DS and I'm kind of wondering like let's say if the switch is everything Nintendo wants it to do that it does like really good sells and all that jazz when will we be the cutoff date for the 3DS and its lineup I know Sun and Moon is going to make a huge rattles I'm not sure if it's going to sell more than X and Y maybe maybe not but like that's a good point that you made like let's say Nintendo starts a 3DS in reserve however 3DS sells in Japan have kind of went down as of recently so I'm not sure if that's either strategy would be beneficial I think the switch will actually be pretty positive yeah I think it's a branding thing the 3DS when the switch comes out the 3DS isn't going to be selling like gang busters it's already seen sales decline but I think the idea of continuing to support it is the people who already own it are going to feel like they're still getting new games and so when they're like okay well the switch is bombing out we need to release the new DS system that crowd is still going to be there and we've still been giving them software it's kind of the opposite of what they did with the Wii and the Wii U where they did not continue to give the Wii software so the audience just left and abandoned and by the time Wii U came around no one cared anymore well and the Wii was already dying down because you know it had its strong years with the first 3 years probably the best 3 years of any console and then it dropped off because it wanted to go back to more traditional gaming and that's why you saw things like say what you will about the PSI or the PlayStation motion or whatever it's called now and then the Kinect but those didn't sell nearly as well as the Wii did in terms of motion controls because by the time the Wii was tapering off and they released those like sure it was great but nobody really wanted motion controls anymore and it's kind of coming back now with VR but people like yeah it's one of those that I liked what Microsoft did with Kinect because it felt like an evolution of motion controls obviously it's also the one idea that not sticking around or it kind of did because now VR is a combination of that plus motion controllers at least on console for the PlayStation you need the camera you need the Wii controllers it's kind of a combination of both concepts but I don't know I feel like when the Wii tapered off and I know we're kind of off topic but when the Wii tapered off it was one of those if you think of all the what are all the best Wii games you could think of well most of them came out in the first three years it's like Nintendo themselves weren't even releasing the big hits anymore so it's one thing that third parties tapered off but really it started and Nintendo stopped releasing big games that were just blowing up they kind of got complacent and then didn't do anything for a few years and then released the Wii U which everyone thought oh well because they didn't do anything for a few years they must have all these games ready for Wii U didn't happen and also the same thing with Switch oh they haven't done anything with the Wii U for like a year or two they should have all these games coming out for it and I got kind of excited when I thought it was a hybrid that's supposed to be for handheld and home console but it's going to by default you know it's going to get the next Pokemon game it's going to get the next Metroid it's going to get the next anything Nintendo makes I mean even Super Mario Run could come to it as long as it has a touch screen I mean all you need is like one button for Super Mario Run I mean it's just tapping the screen but yeah it's it's one of those things that when I look at you know what they're doing with the Switch and the 3DS they're trying to play it safe and I don't know if that can work but they're trying I mean they might what I can imagine them doing is if they if they want to see how the Switch does like how it sells and like we said it's kind of like it's kind of a weird debut month for it because it's in March although it's its own like special little area where it can thrive on its own that's not really the holiday rush and I think that that's where they're going to see their biggest sales because if they come out with a big game during the holiday then that's where we're going to see that didn't the 3DS release in March? it did and it didn't do that well well it did well when it sold yeah I thought that launch month that actually sold really well it did it died because there were no games for it unless you liked Street Fighter yeah the five or six games that came out um for the pilot wings Star Wars the Clone Wars Lego it had Madden a really crappy version of it but it had it but like I could see them wanting to see how the Switch does before they even start worrying about the 3DS but still having it like on the back burner like just in case something goes wrong they can just pull it off and be like hey remember the 3DS here's some games coming out for it right now like just like oh crap we gotta we gotta do something now well Switch is bombing out hey we have a new Fire Emblem coming this holiday yeah for the phone I don't see the Switch bombing because it's being you know projections are good for it it can't be worse than the Wii U because the messaging already is so much better well because it has a message for it the Wii U didn't have much the Wii U had one at the start and then it tried changing the message like three times before well it was like when it came right out the doors at E3 the first time we saw it we didn't know if it was a controller or a game system and they never really confirmed that until after E3 it was like well like the first time they really hit hard on the Wii U they said look this is a Wii but it's for you this is for hardcore gamers we have unprecedented partnerships with third party companies like EA like this is we're gonna have all the third party software plus all the like it was what everybody wanted that was a hardcore gamer and it never really happened and then you find out the specs and you find out the third parties are bailing on it and they're E3 right before launch with Nintendo Land totally altering their entire messaging for the product it's like Nintendo knew they screwed up and now they're like oh well we're gonna fall back on the blue ocean Wii crowd and that didn't work because that blue ocean crowd hasn't been paying attention to this thing the entire time plus the name is terrible to try to make any sense to that crowd well I'm talking about specs then recently a rumor came out that for all of the Nintendo dev kit specs that they were leaked now keep in mind that these are some reports are saying that these match the retail units like Emily Rogers is saying that these are confirmed for both the dev units and the retail units but sometimes the dev just the RAM sometimes the dev units are either less powerful or they're running a different like there's some differences with them so I'd always be careful to assume that just because the dev units have something that the retail units have something I'm gonna read some of these off they might make sense to some of you they might make sense to none of you but here we go so the dev units based on the leakers keep in mind this is still a rumor there's a 4ARM Cortex A57 course with a max of 200 GHz the NVIDIA second generation Maxwell architecture and NVIDIA is working really close with Nintendo on this 256 CUDA cores max 1 GHz 1024 flops per cycle 4GB of RAM which is better than Wii U which only had 2GB of RAM and that's being confirmed over and over and over again that's what it's gonna have 32GB of storage so kinda the same as the Wii U but keep in mind that since these games are gonna be on carts they're gonna need to be on the system and they're gonna save natively to the carts hopefully then they're gonna have USB 2.0 and 3.0 it'll be 1280 by 720 for the LCD then 1080p at 660 not 600 FPS or 4K at 30 FPS max and then of course another rumor is that the pad itself will have a 10 point multi-touch so that sounds good if you know what it means because some of that I'm like yeah I understand what this means some of it's like I have no idea and Nate probably knows way more about that than I do, he built his own computer I know about cores and stuff and then RAM well I built the computer so now I'm an expert the thing is on paper those specs are actually really underwhelming they are a lot of the stuff you hear there you know like the ARM stuff and the CUDA cores everything there lines up with a Tegra X1 which was what Eurogamer said was in the dev kits at the time so like it actually it doesn't confirm anything because it's a rumor but kinda adds some weight to what Eurogamer was saying originally and the Tegra X1 isn't that much more capable than the Wii U is currently so it's actually not that impressive however it has been noted by Eurogamer more importantly by, I always say it wrong it's not NVIDIA everyone got mad at me for calling it that NVIDIA? anyways if you've been watching this other for a podcast this one you know I suck at pronouncing if you get mad at him mispronouncing NVIDIA but not about him mispronouncing every other word then you stop nitpicking okay it's a losing battle so Eurogamer suggested that because there's active air cooling which we can't confirm that's a thing but if you look at that video the switch video again, you can see air vents on the top which has never really been on an Nintendo handheld which tells you there's probably active air cooling in there the Tegra X1 doesn't really need active air cooling now it can have it there is a box that they have a gaming box or something they release for TVs that does have active air cooling on the Tegra X1 which eliminates bottlenecks so it is possible that that air coolant is for the Tegra X1 however NVIDIA came out and said that it is a custom chip based on their Tegra technology using the latest GPU tech and the latest GPU tech uses Pascal which means it would be in a totally different ballpark than the Maxwell based Tegra X1 so it's kind of one of those where NVIDIA has kind of told us it's not going to be a Tegra X1 but that might be what's in the dev units because they aren't done with the custom chip yet and that now probably won't get a more finalized dev kit until sometime next year keep in mind that these are still just rumors yeah again they are just rumors these are rumors of a dev kit that we don't know of anything about yet and a lot of people have been like all the 4GB of RAM are so terrible because the other systems have 8 it's not that bad games don't need a lot of RAM guys they really do not RAM is more for the operating system and the multitasking it is less for gaming like Linus Tech Tips recently did a video on Battlefield 1 where they were pushing Ultra 4K they had a new Titan XP in there with like a 6950K they had all top of the line stuff and then they started taking away RAM because the game suggest 8GB of RAM well they knocked it down to 4GB of RAM and there was zero performance difference in Battlefield 1 on ultra settings which is higher than what consoles could do so it's one of those where RAM didn't have any effect on the performance unless it was 2GB then it would probably have maybe but see again if it has that effect it's probably because of the other things the RAMs being used for so that's kind of the thing you need enough RAM to handle that multitasking so it doesn't affect the game but you don't really need a lot of RAM for games what affects games more are the storage read so what's being read you know when games used to read directly off discs and not install that actually slowed transfer speed down that's why we had so many load screens on the 316 Playstation 3 like so many load screens we had to wait for all that data to transfer with carts that's not a worry anymore it's not quite as fast as using SSD but it's really dang close so the carts are going to fix that if you have stuff installed on the internal hard drive you don't have to worry about that the GPU and CPU or a combo chip that's what's really going to be where you need to worry about bottlenecks and we don't really know you know this 4GB of RAM is being called just RAM it's not being called VRAM VRAM is totally different if this was 4GB of VRAM that's actually a lot of VRAM like consoles don't have that kind of VRAM I mean that's half of the VRAM I have 1070 right now and that can run 4K at 120 FPS that's not happening there's not 4GB of VRAM but it's one of those where the base specs aren't really that nice they're just okay probably not good enough to get third party ports which is why some people are really upset about these leaks specs because it doesn't look even close to on par with what we have out there today however again they're all rumored and things that aren't a rumor are as what NVIDIA said themselves that it's based on their latest architecture and it's a totally customized chip so these leaked specs are not going to match up with whatever the final specs are we already know that because these leaked specs are matching up with something that already exists and keep in mind that it is still a dev unit as a dev unit you're not going to have the hottest latest technology to take for a performance there was a rumor a while ago it came from the guy from the Wall Street Journal whatever I can't remember his name and it's something that guy that's been doing these leaks the whole time I think he actually works for the Wall Street Journal in Japan anyways so he put up a thing where he said that his sources like his dev sources have said that they are moving a bunch of PlayStation 4 games over to the switch after the reveal of the switch and that's like okay that's what you need to know if you want to know if this thing is powerful enough if people are like we're going to take our PlayStation 4 games and put it on the switch then the switch must be powerful enough to do that and that's to me where I'm like okay well we can speculate about all these specs and what they mean all they want what really matters is how do the games run what kind of nerf do they really have to be and I guess one benefit for Nintendo and this is something I never thought they would do so it was something I was always worried about with their hardware because they've never allowed it Nvidia in that press release mentions that they are making the dev tools so they are literally handling pretty much 90% of the hardware work they are providing the internals that run the whole thing and they are creating the tools that people make games on it with that's huge because those are they're the company that makes a lot of the tools for the PC cards and a lot of these third party companies are already very comfortable using these tools so that's really going to streamline and that might be why so many third parties are interested because that really streamlines bringing games to the platform because you have to remember for all the complaining you can run games that under console specs on underpowered PCs just fine at 60 FPS like that's a thing there are gamers that do not have really nice computers that run games that look worse than on console but it could still run and that's because of the dev tools like third parties are already used to having things scale like this so if Nvidia is making awesome scalable tools it doesn't matter then that this is underpowered because it could be just like a mini PC and you're just able to bring it to it and scale it down that's a weird phrase to call a Nintendo console a mini PC it's almost more I know the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 have been often compared to moving closer and closer to PC it's got the x86 architecture I think what Nintendo is doing is almost closer to PC just not an informed factor like it's capabilities are not PC but what the company behind it is very much a PC company and I think that's why these third party companies are actually attracted to it because it's all man Nintendo we don't have to use crappy Nintendo things and go through 50 different channels and translations and emails to try to get support we could just talk to Nvidia and get direct support like that speaks English that's awesome so I don't know that's all I really have to say on the specs I don't know if this means they're good or bad I'm still excited adding on to that sure it's from both Kimashima and also Reti Philzene based on the language they didn't really say they wanted to really compete with the likes of Microsoft and Sony in terms of graphical horsepower and all that jazz if these rumors are true and these are actual specs they're pretty great but in all honesty horsepower and power in general and the graphical fidelity of games doesn't really seem to be the main focus of the switch it appears to be more getting both of the console teams under Nintendo Nintendo's draw and also the mobile aspect of Nintendo's company to be all the swash together under the banner of one console which is the switch so in short I think games and you could play the games on the go is the main focus I'm not sure if graphical stuff would be in that case yeah well Nintendo hasn't cared about graphics since the GameCube days but it's never really been a problem like you never looked at like Super Mario Galaxy and you're like man this game looks horrible it's like this game looks great with what they have nothing's a problem for Nintendo Nintendo games are gonna sell to Nintendo fans it's just the way it is Breath of the Wild looks absolutely fantastic on the Wii U Nintendo has always been very good at maximizing whatever hardware they have I think what's gonna happen and this is why fans are worried a little bit when they see the specs it's not so much that power matters in that this needs to be a PlayStation 4 Pro in your pocket like that's not gonna happen but I think fans are worried that if this trends like Nintendo's recent home consoles because they keep advertising it as one that means it has no third party support which means it's stuck being just a Nintendo machine and Nintendo maybe okay with that but I don't know like if they're planning to sell 10 million in the first year you can't just be a Nintendo only machine because that's what the Wii U was and even if it has more games than the Wii U I don't think Nintendo games alone are gonna make it successful like the 3DS has actually a lot of really good third party support out of Japan so it's not just a Nintendo machine like some of the most popular games on the 3DS come from Japan or not made by Nintendo Yo-kai Watch Monster Hunter anything by level 5 so I guess it's not so much that I think Nintendo cares about power I think they have to recognize that third parties care like Bethesda literally came out and said if it is powerful enough we will put like games on it so Bethesda is on the list so you know it is what it is maybe that means something that's what we know from that list if it's just Skyrim remastered well then that's great but if it's nothing else after that yeah so kind of moving on to another rumor real quick before we move into other stuff the Nintendo Switch this is a rumor that's been going around I kind of combine these two into one so the game carts themselves have been rumored to be 16 gigabytes like in terms of their storage and space and whatnot but then the Nintendo Switch will also support SD cards or SDX cards or Micro SDX cards up to 128 gigabytes but will not support external hard drives so take that how you will I feel like if you have like 128 gigabyte SD card that's fine I don't see downloading these games being that big of a draw maybe since the cards are probably going to run faster that's just me I mean downloading natively will run faster inevitably but I don't see downloading games onto the console being that big of a problem my only hang up with that is is that there are some people that just strictly download games like two of the guys that I live with have like two terabyte external hard drives for the Xbox ones they've got a crap ton of games onto their Xbox ones so they need that and they're almost out of space on those things and so if you are one of those people that just loves to download games onto the console instead of having the physical copy then that's kind of a problem for you because I'm not going to try to do the math in my head I should have done this beforehand but you can only fit so many 16 gigabyte games if that's true onto 128 gigabyte Matt Contari, you got any thoughts? oh well that's okay going back to the whole like cartridge thing I heard rumors too that the cartridge is going to be 32 gigabytes and now recently there were 16 gigabytes I'm not necessarily sure if either two is valid the reason why I'm saying this is because I believe the next Nintendo Direct in which the Nintendo is going to show up and what about the Switch is that next year is it this year like January 12th I'm assuming and it's not even a Direct, it's actually like a live event surprisingly they announced it like it's a E3 event yeah I'm assuming Nintendo will show up stuff there what are the sources for you rumors by fans what was it again? I've got ones from VG 247 I had a bunch of them still up but I closed my browser let me look it up real quick but anyways I suppose it's possible that's 16 gigabytes both sound plausible in all honesty in terms of like let's say gaming memory and all that jazz I really look too much into the intricacies of that somebody else with much more knowledge and more life but at this moment I would say to like of course report on rumors but just know that they are rumors that may or may not be false but yeah I do think that we will learn more solid information and more intricate manifestations of the Switch and that January live events and also probably see more games about it since I'm actually excited for the new Mario Switch game actually looks really good mm-hmm the sorry so the the carts they don't really matter people are putting a lot of focus on how big the carts are it's irrelevant it doesn't matter to anybody but game developers and I know a lot of fans like oh but 16 gigabytes isn't enough for like Battlefield 1 which is 60 gigabytes the rumors are all talking about the standard size there is a standard size for every format the 3DS has a standard size cart but several games use bigger carts than what the standard size is including games from Nintendo so it really is completely irrelevant at a consumer level they're going to be able to get as big of carts as they want the carts that they're using from the rumor type of memory that they're putting in it can get way the heck bigger than Blu-ray discs can hold if a game needs it so it's going to be based on a game-to-game basis it's just at a mass production level sure there's probably like a general size that they have like a mass production line for but they will make any size it's not going to be something that's going to hinder a game if a game is bigger than 16 gigs or it's bigger than 32 there will be Nintendo carts that you can put them on it's not going to hold anything back well keep in mind the reason why they're doing SD cards on external drive is because this is primarily portable but they do want it to be a portable system so dragging like certain boxes around is portable and what I I dislike though it's probably true because this is Nintendo it's what they do I dislike not supporting external hard drives which sucks for people who literally are just going to use this like a home console so they're not going to take it with them anyways and I dislike that it can only go up to 128 gigabytes as I just said Battlefield 1 60 gigabyte game 2 of those you're done and that's not counting updates in DLC because updates in DLC might not be able to go directly on the carts if the carts themselves are already full from the original game so it's kind of there might be room for save files but that doesn't mean there's room for anything else and I worry that 128 gigabytes for a console that's being advertised as a home console with AAA games you take on the go AAA games are going to fill that thing up in a hurry it's going to fill up the 32 gigs in a hurry we already saw it with Wii U excuse me basically if you bought like two Wii U games digitally like AAA games from Nintendo that was it you were full you had to go back and delete other games in order to install it no granted you can re-download them it'll save your save files but still that's adding a pain to the consumer and I think what's nice about the 3DS is while it has a limit on how big of an SD card you can go I forget what the limit is but the games are so small that you could still have like 50 games installed and take that with you you're not going to be able to have 50 games installed at 128 gigabytes that are home console games on the go like the convenience of taking that device on the go part of it is not having to switch out the cartridges all the time not having to bring an extra bag that has 30 games in it and having to dig through those games to find the one you want when you can just go to your menu and select one that you already have installed now there are ways they could get around this they could offer where if you own a card you could like download that game to the system so you don't have to bring that card with and then you can just bring with you don't have to bring all your cards with that just some of them that you're not going to install on it but again it feels like to me we're in an era where 100 gigabytes that were released with the PlayStation 4 and Xbox one were not enough because they required you to install games if you weren't required it would have been fine at launch but now we're at the point where people are filling up one terabyte two terabytes and you're going to say all I can have is 128 and that's me spending extra money to even get that 128 on my own like if they just allow external hard drives I don't care external hard drives are cheap man 4 terabyte one for like 50 bucks um and that's one thing I liked about the Wii U is that it supported external hard drives right away so like I didn't care that oh man the max I can get to 32 like it doesn't matter because I'm going to instantly plug in one of the five external hard drives I have laying around and I'm good um so I do worry that if this is true and it sounds very true based on what they've done with the 3DS I I'm worried that that's just not a thing that's aimed at home console games that's not enough I if they could just lift the limit on SD cards and just like I know they have to install limit because I think there's a point with SD cards where the transfer speed drops I forget I don't know enough about SD cards but I know there's a certain size where they can't keep up the same transfer speeds um but I have to believe you can go me on 128 I mean there's like one terabyte SD cards out there so there has to be a way to get at least like I can get 500 gigs I'd be okay with that and again one of the things to consider is that Nintendo is trying to split a home console and or like split the experience between a home console and a portable console so there are going to be sacrifices there this isn't going to be like as powerful as the PS4 we've talked about before oh yeah yeah it's just support for like I'm fine if they just want to include 32 gigabytes of start just because they're Nintendo you know they can't go to 100 for some reason has to be 32 to keep the price down or whatever excuse you know they give but it's one of those it's fine to limit that at launch or whatever but offer me as a consumer the ability to spend my own money to put enough memory on the thing to use it the way I want and I'm not even a big digital person I'm really not I get free digital games from Nintendo's programs and stuff I've gotten a few review copies that are digital but it's just it's really frustrating me thinking that I'm gonna have to buy physical because the system despite the fact that Nintendo and all their financial things shows how much digital is growing for them knowing that this console is basically going against digital raising a finger to it and saying sorry you need to buy cartridges and that's not even including indie games and all the stuff that don't come out at retail so it is something that I am concerned with for the fact that I can't even if I have the money I can't get like external storage for it that would work or internal storage that would work I guess beyond 128 but again this is a rumor so we don't know but and the final thing I had to say about that too is that I feel like we'd have the same problem that we did with the GameCube where you were taking in and taking out memory cards each time you wanted to play a different game yeah and a lot of people are worried about that with this too saying oh so now I'm gonna have to carry you know five or six SD cards yeah and they'll sing and their mini SD cards is the rumor so they're even dinkier easier to lose so enough woman doom about Nintendo's future and I think I'm excited about the switch by the way yeah there's just even if all these rumors are true like I'm still excited I'm still gonna buy it it's gonna have the best version of Earth of the Loud that's enough for me so before we get on to our special topic of the week let's talk about our favorite things in gaming news starting with McIntyre noise like this gaming news just anything that's happened like anything you want or if you beat a game and you want to share the glory that you received from that game go for it this week like I've been kind of busy so well I guess the only game I've actually been playing would be Civilization 5 but that's a whole other game but in terms of like gaming news I'm actually really excited for it's not really all kind of maybe Nintendo audience is Final Fantasy 15 I've really been keeping up with that since it's been developed for like nine years or something and they released a new trailer it looks pretty good I've been watching the anime series that went along with it it's really great there was another CG movie called Kings Blade which is okay I like it I enjoyed it and so I believe Final Fantasy 15 comes November 15th and you have to look it up again but I've been so pumped for that right through the wild and also the new Red Dead Redemption the Red Dead game I think that was called they released a new trailer Rockstar did it looks just flipping phenomenal and I'm a sucker for like the Wild West games stuff like that so like I'm really pumped for all that what about you Nate well I just found out about this I don't know if it hit today apparently a new Tomb Raider game is leaked Shadow of the Tomb Raider and by Idols Montreal which is no surprise I think they're the ones that made the last two and the big thing with this one is it was spotted on reddit apparently what is it spotted on reddit well yeah but Kataku is actually saying that it's legit so the games have been leaked this way before so it's easy to believe because I think Assassin's Creed once got leaked this way basically the guy is working on the game or working on the presentation for the game on his laptop on a subway and someone like kind of peaked in and snapped a shot of it and then put it on reddit I mean believe it or not leaks happen this way maybe people should stop working on unannounced games in public anywhere but anyways I really liked the Tomb Raider reboot and I loved the last game I thought it was even better than the first so this really really excites me I often consider Tomb Raider to be like Indiana Jones and I love Indiana Jones I've always wanted to be a treasure hunter because of Indiana Jones it's just my childhood I love it Zelda gives me a little bit of that but Tomb Raider literally gives me what I'm looking for in that regard so I'm excited because the last two games have been phenomenal so yeah Tomb Raider bring it to the switch my two favorite things are about gaming movies and the first one hit we learned that after years and eons of the uncharted film being put in development hell it's gotten a new director and Sean Levy the guy who has directed several episodes of the hit Netflix series Stranger Things which gives me hope because that did fantastic watch it but he's going to be helming that and then in a surprising crazy turn of events Deadpool lost Deadpool 2 lost Tim Miller as the director but in the live action and CG hybrid Sonic film Tim Miller the guy that's doing that did Deadpool is going to direct the film well that's the way you described it before you mentioned who was directing it I was like this just sounds bad and then you're like oh well it has it has the right director so maybe it's going to be good that's kind of like having Quentin Tarantino directing episode of Barney though like what are you expecting from that I'm sure when Deadpool was initially pitched to get done it sounded like a really stupid idea on paper and then it ended up being brilliant but Deadpool was also very crass and graphic I don't understand like director shouldn't be pigeonholed but like coming off of Deadpool and then working on Sonic it's like a bit of a a different like a paradigm there maybe it's going to be a crass Sonic it's just edgy it's going to be shout out of the hedgehog the film it's going to be rated it's going to be rated R man shout out the hedgehog they say rated R video game movies can't work well let's try it here you go with Sonic okay so going to give him the gruff voice of a 45 year old voice by Christian Bale alright so on to the discussion question that I have for this week since it's Halloween I figured we should talk about horror and one let's talk about our favorite horror games that we've ever played and two the worst horror games we've ever played because there are some pretty bad ones out there so I'll let you guys start and then we'll go from there I'll see your favorite horror games and then the worst horror games you've ever played like first before I start with anything the first video game I ever played it was Super Metroid and at first I was like a kid I was in this was in New York I was in an apartment and my cousins were playing it and they were playing it it was like storming outside and like they were just all huddled around the couch and the TV I originally thought that Super Metroid was a horror game just by the ambience like Samus' Lone just killing all these aliens and stuff like that I legitimately thought that Super Metroid was a horror game and like for a good while I still thought that was it until I played Super Metroid Prime with Gamecube in terms of like a good horror game that I never actually played I always wanted to try to condemn it was like I think it was a launch title for the original Xbox V60 or something like that that in Alien Isolation I've actually heard really good things about that one and in terms of like a really bad horror game some kind of thing I'm not really sure actually maybe somebody else has some other thoughts but yeah what about you Nate horror games my let's see I know I might get some flack for this I mean I guess it's a horror game my least favorite Resident Evil 4 because the controls are just because it just it's not okay I'm not saying it's a bad game so like I say it's like my least favorite horror game I'm not saying it in terms of it being a bad game because I actually like Resident Evil 4 I just don't like it as a horror game I like it more as like more of an action game and I know it's not like Resident Evil 6 that's an action game but it just it didn't scare me I guess and when I think horror I think I'm freaking the hell out and there's a lot of indie games that have done a really good job of that horror and that's the thing with horror like there's so many different types of horror you know you have jump scares you know you have grossing you out you have the mind game horror which I love mind game horror like messing with my brain making me think something that's not real like that stuff just I love that kind of stuff so Resident Evil doesn't really do any of that for me I mean it tries to do jump scares it just didn't scare me I guess and I played that when I was a kid and I wasn't scared so I don't know what I was watching to be desensitized back then but I've been more scared by the walking dead television show and that's I shouldn't be more scared about a horror film yeah like it's not horror so that's why I'm saying I don't consider that to be horror and the fact that scares me more than Resident Evil 4 that means I just think it's a little overhyped I guess as a horror game although I admit it is more of a horror game than Resident Evil 6 so I guess I would say that's my least favorite because I just don't consider it a horror game but everybody else on the planet tells me it's a horror game my favorite it's gonna be a game I've talked about before and it's gonna be a game everyone's gonna disagree with me on and call me an idiot but it's zombie you oh yeah they didn't hear that I apologized to you for that because my audio cut out I like the game now there's your apology I'm not saying that it's the greatest horror game to ever exist I have played some indie games in particular the indie game scene is really starting to get good with horror I just can't think of any one indie game that I would put above zombie you right now for what it did for me because it kind of had the psychological and the jump and it kind of combined everything I like about horror into a single experience including creating intense moments where you know you could die and you could see your death coming but it's all based on how fast you're able to hack something or how fast you're able to do something like it's kind of like watching those horror films where you're watching the thing and they're doing something you know they gotta get that door open or you could see this thing coming that's gonna kill them you know what's gonna happen well in the movie if it's the main character and you're only a half hour in you know they're gonna live they're not dying yet they might die at the end but they're not dying right now so like in movies I have a lack of suspense for those moments because you can kind of predict what's gonna happen with a character dying too soon or living through something that you don't think they're gonna live through because you don't think they're a major character yet but in games that's totally different because that kind of suspense can kill you or you could survive you don't know because it's based on what you are good at and they did a really good job balancing the difficulty of those situations to really up my heartbeat and really get me intense I need to take a break for like a second hit pause I can't believe that I just made through that or like I died and I can't believe I couldn't get that last little part of the lock and I died and that's just one type of aspect in that game that I really like that's just one that stands out the most because that is actually a specific use of the gamepad that created that situation which I've never gotten in any other game before but it really did a good I just like to I know some people aren't into the story I like the story, I don't know what it is about zombie apocalypse stories I just like them which is why I like The Walking Dead I don't even watch the new episodes of it anymore I'll probably, once it hits this current season hits on Netflix I'm sure I'll watch it but I like binge watching I don't like what happens next I can know, just binge watch but thanks Netflix like now when Netflix is like, oh we're coming up with one where we release an episode a week, I'm like why you're Netflix why are you doing this to me but yeah that's I know a lot of people don't like zombie you for a lot of various different reasons but for me it's one of the few games I've gotten really really really scared in but as I said I don't know if it's Don't Starve or are you thinking of the top down one where you're it's a survival game yeah that one's really that one's really creepy and then the it's not really a horror game but like finding Ethan Carter game or whatever what's that called? it looks absolutely fantastic but that would really creep me out too that's more of a mystery thriller but again thriller and horror kind of blend a lot for me I don't know that's just my favorite I have like and this is weird because I typically don't do like horror films so like it's weird that a lot of the games that I like not like all of them but some of like I have a vast list of horror games that I like at the top of that list is Until Dawn because it's kind of like the premise of zombie you like it's like a it's not really a telltale game because there's still like movement and it's more fluid it tells a weird freaking story but it's one of those things where at any point any decision you make can kill off one of the main characters of the game so like you could be thinking man I'm doing a great job here like at one point I was I made it through the playthrough my first playthrough of the game with I think I only had like maybe two characters die there's like five five or six I think you had one or two characters die and I was looking for a place to hide for one of the characters and I was like crap where am I going to go like something's chasing after me and so I flipped open like this this trapdoor on the ground and this monster came out ripped off my head and ate it and I was like well all right then I guess that character is dead and that was a mistake yeah everybody watched me do that too and they're like well that you messed up but that's one of those games like the suspense was that anyone could die at any time like they were crucial to the story quote-unquote but it could play out differently depending on who is still alive and you could end the game with everyone still alive or with no one still alive and I think that that's like one like a very kind of like what you're talking about was zombie you but more more stakes for that one because they're contingent on the story I think that's probably my favorite horror game some of the other ones that I could name probably Outlast Outlast is a really good creepy game like you talked about indie games a game that I shouldn't have found as scary as I did but it was was Among the Sleep that was a freaky game because what the premise of it is is you're a baby and you're seeing things through a baby's eyes in the middle of a thunderstorm and it's just terrifying because like everything seems fantastically because you have no idea what's going on and the only thing you can do is crawl on the ground so it's kind of like amnesia which I might get hate for this but I don't really like amnesia I didn't think it was that scary like it was it was okay it was like oh yeah I get it like you have to collect all these things for story and then you can only run away you can't actually find anything but I just didn't like it like it wasn't I was like okay well I guess I have to get through amnesia kind of a game so that's probably my least favorite but you know I have more like favorites than none and then one of the ones that like I think like when McIntyre when you were talking about like Super Metroid do you think that was a horror game I don't know if I'd call it a horror game but I always thought Bioshock was um and that game was terrifying to me as a kid it's fantastic it has the same suspense as like a Metroid game but even more so and if you haven't played Bioshock like what are you doing with your life like it's classic games right there but that's it for me on horror games Castlevania used to freak me out back in the day the old old ones yeah the old ones um and maybe it was just a theme Dracula all that stuff um and I just as a kid I associate that with Halloween I associate that with horror but I don't know it used to freak me out when I got to the final boss fight I'm like oh my um I'm trying not to swear right now like I was so I was so freaking out I was so scared I died so many times and I think I cried every time I mean that's how I felt like about the well and the shadow temple and Ocarina of Time as a kid like scared me like I I had to put down the game for like weeks because I could not also the game I was talking about before is the van machine of Ethan Carter and it's listed as an action adventure game so as I said it's not really a horror game but there's just a lot of psychological elements in there that freak me out what about all the Five Nights at Freddy's games those don't freak me out yeah you get used to horror games yeah they're horror games but like they're predictable horror games yeah see that's the thing about jump scares is I can get scared by jump scares but it can't be predictable so when it's predictable it's like oh well I expected that to happen well even like jump scares like the first five times you get scared by a jump scare you're like after about that fifth or sixth time you're like okay so there's gonna be another jump scares soon yeah you're waiting for it and it's not really scaring you it's just making you jump because you're not it's like popping on screaming or something yeah I mean that's what I today right before the we actually recorded this podcast I was my girlfriend and her sister who's staying with us for a little bit they were upstairs watching like these scary movies so I kept doing things to jump scare I'm like so bad and the thing is they would know it's coming and it would still get them and then when they expected it that's when I didn't do it so it's like like jump scares to me can't come they're expected like okay I just had three jump scares in less 15 minutes I'm waiting for the next one well the next one doesn't come for 40 minutes I'm not really waiting for it anymore and then it can get me again and that's kind of what I was doing to them like they didn't they were waiting for me to like hide behind the counter and get them again and really I was outside and I threw something at the window and they just freaked like what is going on and then I started running back and forth outside and they were like what was that I think one of the best things that that could be done in a game or a movie is like whenever there's suspense built up it's not necessarily a jump scare but something like you're expecting a jump scare like in the PT game for the Silent Hills like there was like one or two jump scares in that game but it was just creepy like everything was creepy very creepy creepy atmosphere man yeah and that's what I like about horror like I like games that aren't just jump scares but they're like that's what Silent Hill really built on yeah a really creepy atmosphere is like if it's if it has a creepy atmosphere and it makes me feel uneasy then it's doing its job right and that's what I consider horror I don't really consider like a movie or a game that's just pure jump scares horror sure but like okay like you were talking about your girlfriend and your sister like about a year ago one of the guys in our house watched the Babadook movie which apparently is really scary and so we decided that we were gonna just scare the crap out of him so we looked up the trailer and there was a certain knock it did and there was a certain noise it did so like I hung over the banister and I like made the knock on the banister and he's like I'm coming and he walked to the door and there was no one there and he freaked out he's like it's so weird and then he walked back and then like 10 minutes later I did it again and he's like I'm coming and he walked to the door and there was no one there and so like me playing the fool he walked down and I was like hey I was supposed to be quote unquote asleep and I was like hey is someone at the door he's like no man like you don't understand like that's the same knock that the monster did in the movie and then it was like it's freaking me out because we just watched the movie and like it was doing the knock and then there's nobody at the door and it's like Brandon there had to be someone at the door nobody just knocks and like there's no there has to be someone knocking and so like it's stuff like that like when you build suspense like if I just jumped out and scared him I wouldn't really have the pride and the happy memories that I do now sure again it's that suspense and you know like me scaring them tonight I knew they were watching a scary movie so like they were already in this creeped out mood so it's like knowing what you could do to maximize that creeped out mood is awesome like if there had been like a unique thing like that I would have probably made it happen because they thought I was downstairs working and that's how I kept getting them is like nope, podcast isn't too late so I've got plenty of time to mess with you guys I think that that's short circuited that's the way we do it on the Zelda former podcast we break things me yeah okay that's okay that's the majority of the podcast for those of you that don't know McIntyre had a problem recording his podcast so that's who we're talking we're not just talking to a voice in our heads yeah his computer apparently the podcast blew up his side hey my computer blew up when I was editing the podcast hopefully mine doesn't because I don't want that to happen no I would feel so bad for you if that happens oh my gosh I'd be like well I guess I'm taking it back over first week as a host on the editor everything blows up oh that'd be bad okay we're probably done we're losing our minds here McIntyre saying his computer blew up the most means time to cut so as always you can find us on Twitter and stuff Nate can you drop your handles and what not sure at Nate Jantz obviously I do not tweet a lot but when I do it's usually important that's not true I'm usually just talking about 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