 All right guys day two 21 convention 2010 Stockholm, Sweden First speaker up today is Orlando Owen Story behind Orlando is that I heard about him from another conference called the real man conference So I knew about him from that and then I got to meet him about a week and a half ago in Munich, Germany for talk We did together I saw him speak for 30 minutes and the minute he got done. I was like damn I'm so glad I got this guy speaking in my convention. It's gonna be awesome. So with that said thanks, man Appreciate it. Thanks. Give him a round of applause guys. Yeah Cool to be here. Thanks Orlando owners as I was introduced you probably haven't heard of me so much because I'm kind of like the quiet Illuminati guy behind the scenes Kind of like pull a lot of strings You might have heard of some of my books, but you wouldn't know him by my name I've written some ghost writing stuff for the community, but I'm not a P way I heard that word P way on the internet about four years ago my mentor at the time Steve P You might have heard of him Steve P and they call him Rasputin hypnotica Eric. He hates that word Rasputin Anyway, those guys Were sort of like my mentors particularly Steve P and I called up Steve P and I said what the hell is a poor and Steve said ah forget about that shit. He's kind of like a hell's angels guy and I was like, okay What is that? They said it's these guys that are totally coming from black and neediness and they go out there and they're running all this kind of game kind of like Neil and That's that's like a religion. It's kind of like a cult. I was like that's really interesting So I didn't really know what that meant, but I just knew that it wasn't my kind of thing and Also knew it really was my kind of thing when I went out with a bunch of guys in LA About that time beginning of 2006 and these guys were doing some really weird crazy stuff We have to approach it's like we have to get ourselves in state and we have to really go out there and approach and approach and approach And I was like, okay, how many approach have you done about 3,000? That oh, okay, and how many lays about one or Actually none really I said look, you know, it's like if you've done 3,000 approaches Like I know guys who fall off their bar stools drunk In front of some girls and puked on their on their on their shoes and their high heels And they probably got them laid a little lot quicker than you with your 3,000 approaches and It was really interesting because I was out there with these guys and they were gonna do this kind of stuff And so what were you gonna gonna we're gonna approach that five-set there And we're gonna like do the the so-and-so open and the so-and-so opener in the XYZ And I'm like you mean you're gonna talk to these girls over there. No, we're approaching a five-set Okay, I don't know what that means, but go ahead and do it. I just want to watch you guys do this kind of thing I'm like, okay. Let's see what they're gonna do. I was like So I'm I'm I'm standing there. I'm thinking something bad is gonna happen something really bad You know, I just knew it and they're this was like four years ago And these guys are walking up to his five-set so Translation five girls are standing there and they're kind of like snooty la bitches whatever and nothing good was gonna come of it Right, but these guys are gonna walk up there anyway, and the guys says and they're like The girls are like, okay, this that's it. They see you coming be careful and sure enough they've the first guy says something and And he's kind of like a hit-and-run and blah-blah-blah, and he's like kind of kind of waiting for effect. I was like, okay I could read the girls body language. I could almost see their energy kind of like we're gonna fuck with these guys and Then the other guy says blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, and they're like You could see their their minds churning and they were just kind of getting ready for the kill They're like going like like the cat in what is it like the cat with a tweety bird a little clause And then one girl says, oh, you know, I think you reckon he's gonna do the so-and-so approach now He's gonna do the so-and-so opener. He's gonna ask us like who lies more spaghetti or dental floss And the other the alpha girl of the group kind of like steps forward and says Listen pal Mystery method is so last year This was 2006. This was not just no 2006 This was already an old hat. This was like tired old stuff from like last year and these girls knew The openers they could analyze what they were gonna do DHV Demonstrating higher value all this like like geeky talk of like P way like nerdy in us it's like Why is it that these guys are always doing this kind of stuff like it's like programming these old Unix computers from the 80s or 90s It's like you're trying to hack your way into some girl's pants and I really I have like What savage was saying is that was like Jason it was like God yes finally somebody says it as it is I've just never seen that brilliant breakdown along those two lines of like that triangle It's like yeah, okay I could have never really been that analytical about it and it's just brilliant because it's a real real cool system But it's like neediness versus, you know having having inside Having being already in that state you can't attract something don't have a lot of attraction says you can't It's impossible and if you're coming from that kind of neediness and geekiness You're gonna attract that on some level or other So Let me tell you a little bit about where I'm coming from in this. I call this the law of attraction of attraction it's You've all heard about the secret and all that kind of stuff Now the secret was pretty much a weird marketing positioning billion dollar project where they stripped all the important knowledge out of it Like Jerry and Esther Hicks for instance asking it is given that's like the basis for it They stripped those guys out because we're too greedy to pay they cut it out and they left the secret completely devoid of Real secrets it's about a dozen secrets that I'm gonna give you behind the secret They cut them all out of the movie every last one of them. There's nothing in that movie and But people talk about the law of attraction they think like oh, yeah attraction. I'm gonna go out there. I'm gonna attract something Well, how are you gonna do that? Let me ask you something. Do you guys? truly enjoy Going out to an environment that's about as noisy as the back of a 747 on takeoff Do you actually enjoy that because I've got PTSD like I think somebody who's gonna like shoot at me when I'm hearing It doesn't give me energy to me. It's like the most hostile environment on the planet Clubs and bars guys that go there are trying to out cool each other out man each other out amog each other and The girls are trying to out bitch each other To me, this is like going in the trenches to me. It's like military warfare. Do you really is this the best place to meet women? I have all the places I've ever been to I think it's the worst place, but I've talked to a lot of guys Do you actually enjoy that? No, we hate it Okay, do you like to approach women and and open you up? It's almost like putting your balls out there like I met your mercy. What are you gonna do to me? If you do enjoy that then by all means I probably have nothing to say to you But if you like me or like most guys that I know if they're really honest about it They hate that they hate that process They hate putting themselves on the line having to go out there and and really taken abuse or opening up open yourself up for abuse and Most guys well, but if I could just meet women it would be so cool If I could literally attract them into my life How cool would that be and the P way is going like no that's too easy, dude That would be that would be cheating it has to be hard work It's like it's almost like the the god of the Old Testament You know the God of Moses the God of Abraham the God out of Adam, you know by the sweat of thy brow Shall thou approach women and you know in laboring pains shall you seduce them? Well glove attraction says if it's gonna feel like that if it feels like work It feels like a chore if it feels like a dare to me It's like approaching a girl to me is probably if I have to if I'm coming from the mindset of doing a cold approach I think I'd rather jump off a 10, you know 10 meter diving board than doing that I just walk over and talk to them, but if I have to approach And it's the mindset that I'm talking about here because it's a contextual fear We're talking about they have to approach her then it's like the most scary thing on the planet to me and My my philosophy is I'd much rather kind of like use Magic if you will like a very it's not magic in the sense that it's trickier I'm trying to employ some magic pill here, but I'd like to attract women into my life in a In a more playful way I call it play not game and to me. It's like if it isn't fun What's the point? I mean if it doesn't if it feels like it's it's it's scary. It's hard work I have to force myself to do something Then I don't feel comfortable and then I'm then I'm if I'm outside my comfort zone Then I feel like something scary is happening here. This doesn't feel right It doesn't feel like that's something I want to do I can go out there and do thousands of approaches I know a guy who's done 21,000 approaches in two years Yeah, eat your heart out if you've only done 3,000 pussy, but I'm a total pussy. I've probably done in my entire life. I've probably done 30 40 approaches. That's it So in in your guys in your guys book. I'm probably like the ultimate like loser AFC and that's fine Have I been with a lot of women? some say But to me it has to be fun and I want to attract them literally pull them to me in Very natural ways if it feels artificial if it feels contrived if it feels forced Then I'm not in my center that I'm not feeling good about it and the outcome will be like that Who's done like triple-digit approaches Who's done quadruple trip to digit approaches? How many honestly how many lays did you get per 100 approaches? Okay. Oh, yeah. Oh good. Good. Okay But then it's something you enjoy it's something it's kind of like who you are, right? Okay, that's that's different. I don't know if you notice a difference here I Don't know if this is really true for all you guys you I believe you But most guys I've seen yeah, I know I have to do this and I have to hype myself up And I have to spend 30 minutes under ice-cold shop or chanting Affirmations that yes, I can I don't think you do that. I don't think you need to you're natural that way But if that's not who you are Then chances are you pray forcing yourself to do something that's not you If you're doing something that's not you it will feel like that's not you And girls will feel that I mean we've we've done some stuff at the real man conference a couple years ago We did some stuff. We had some girls on stage and we muscle tested them kind of like this or tested their stability And the intention of people approaching the kind of feedback that can that girls can give you they're like machines They're like radar intuitive like Supercomputers and they pick up on stuff like you would not believe and they can tell you exactly what's going on The degree of your authenticity the degree of game all that kind of stuff They'll they'll give you feedback that is so unbelievably merciless that Count your blessings that 99% of the time. They're not telling you what they're feeling or seeing or picking up on it's unbelievable and We tell you a little bit about my background, you know, it's like I come from women I've only joined the community as it were probably officially about five years ago I've been around these guys that are now like the superstars around ten years The reason I was even like so like invited into that circle and one of the people that actually formed this community from in not so obvious ways is That I've been working with women for 25 years and I'm a little older than you guys and I've worked with women since I was about 25 and The way it started was I was with a girl real hot girl that I ended up marrying and This girl Was real fun. She was real hot. She was like these blonde Swedish, you know Vixens and Tall, you know like the total cliche of the perfect ten and I had sex with her and She had this incredible orgasm after about an hour and The only problem with that orgasm was that it was real. She had faked an orgasm. I'd never seen that in my life before And I was like stop come here. Give me a hug and She it's like what's going on here. She said, you know, all my boyfriend's expect this from me And you know, it's like I'm like, no, no chill. Just be be quiet Come here. Give me a hug and she cried and said like there's no pressure. You don't need to be doing that All right, let's just chill and You know take all the time you need. I don't care if it ever happens, you know and It's set the stage for me working with women and I've been working with hundreds and hundreds of women since then Teaching them how to have orgasm how to have better orgasms all that kind of stuff I've trained strippers porn stars that kind of girl I've done tantric seminars and I've worked with women for so long and so much that I know a little bit about women I've learned how they work what really works with them what they respond to not just their bodies Or not just their squaring orgasm or any of that stuff, but how they really relate What what's attractive to them? How they how they really feel and Kind of harkening back to what Jason said yesterday savage About it's almost like that poor set that PUA mindset You attract you're trying to extract something by force by coercion by trickery by routines That will women would be willing to give you freely if you could just kind of like step back and relax and Really just know what their nature is and kind of like vibrate on the same frequency And I've probably pissed a bunch of you guys off now by by kind of like, you know ragging on picked up and all that kind of stuff But my philosophy is there has to be a better way that has to be an easier way and For many years I've sort of like looked at what's really going on behind the scenes I've studied magic I've studied things like that. I've looked at the deep inner game the ultra deep game of this stuff Do you take a little break here? Okay, good. Okay. All right, so The whole thing my philosophy behind this whole thing is there has to be a totally different way To really bring women into your life unless you're totally addicted like most P ways that I know are totally addicted to the process They're totally addicted to their dysfunction. They're totally addicted to I'm terrible women, but I will do whatever it takes to get this handled and the whole the whole philosophy today of motivational speaking NLP like almost every single hardcore P way that I know pick up artists is also an NLP Practitioner a master of this or that kind of goes hand-in-hand with a bunch of stuff Most of the guys I know that a hardcore P ways are also computer guys And there's a similar. There's some kind of like common commonality there a limiting belief if you will or a bunch of issues that Keep you from from from enjoying the process and trying to make it something because there's your peers There's your peer pressure and unless you're doing all the right stuff and you're part of that culture that subculture of pick up You really not you really not anyone Now my friend Johnny support. Oh, he said a very a very interesting thing one day And even though I knew it and I had already heard it before I'd never heard it quite like that He said these guys aren't interested in women primarily men seek the approval of other men first and foremost and They don't they don't really seek the approval of anyone else. I don't seek the approval of women They don't seek women first of all. They seek the approval of other men and it's you have to be a man among men you have to sort of like Impress the other guys. It's kind of like driving the Ferrari or Getting the girl and it's kind of like a trophy, you know, you want the hot blonde not so much because you really want to be with that girl but because You look good with her in your arm. You're the man, you know, he's like you gained her. He got her and If you walked around with that mindset Always look a little deeper if that's really who you are if that's really what you want