 We're back with the breakfast and plus TV Africa, Tunde Kola Wali illegal practitioner joins us this morning on off the press. Tunde, it's good to have you join us. Good morning. Yes, Tunde, we would like to start off with a punch newspaper this morning, post-election threat. Obidati ricks treason charges federal government wants. Obidati ricks treason charges federal government wants. And the Labour Party presidential candidate deputy calling for insurrection is treasonable. That's according to the minister Alay Mohamed. Then you have Obidati should face the law says APC. Federal government alleges recklessness or reckless, I take that again, federal government alleges allegation reckless says Obidati and the PDP reps condemns call for entire government to ask DSS to arrest enemies of democracy. I mean, it's it's it's quite dramatic here. The headlines foreign investor Sean Kano, Reavis Ogun, 24 state foreign investor Sean Kano, Reavis Ogun, and 24 states. I mean, you ask yourself, so if you say 24 plus Reavis and Kano and Ogun, how many does that leave you with? So we're looking at 27 out of 36 states of the Federation. That's not good for us. Then you find a narrow crisis cash circulation law. NLC tells the central bank of Niger. I mean, for once you would go out if you if you if you're on the streets of Niger. I mean, necessarily if you go out to other parts of the country, especially in Lagos, you still see the queue. So I'm asking if if if you have this money in circulation, I mean, if we've said that the government or this has been ruling and this been an order, some sort of collaboration, why then do you have people queuing in the ATMs? Why then don't you have, you know, funds being you know, dispensed at the ATM points at different points in time. But I can't wait to share the thoughts of Tunde, Kola, William, this one, Niger more divided than the civil war era. That's what Sanus is quoted to say. And some people would not agree less. Now, very, very, very historic and very, very, it's such a such a big one for our democracy, not necessarily Nigerian democracy. But the democracy of the world is that there's been protests as Trump, Donald Trump, former president of the United States of America pleads not guilty to crime charges. However, he's been arraigned and, you know, caught. And you also have on this particular part where he's sitting with the, you know, with his lawyers and on this other part of the picture you find this is saying saying nobody is above the law. It's a very huge conversation for our democracy. Just again, avoid offensive sermons. Noop tells clerics just as the Ramadan season continues. With the corona, okay, it's crystalline independent autopsy. A fairly fair crisis deepens and you'd ask a different draw to step down. That's this is some of the headlines you find here. But for the want of time, we just quickly turn our attention to the nation. It talks about the federal government obi, that is action, reasonable federal government obi, that is action, reasonable polls, integrity, intact showing card, the Christ that is TV charts. That's what we're showing car. This will be very precise. We'll be denies it all. REC in governorship election, bribes or bribe mess, REC in governorship election, bribe mess, how attempt to smuggle ballot papers was foiled, more like an editorial right there. Government holds 10% of high in excess duty on non-alcoholic drinks. Just before we move away from that, Trump pleads or pleads not guilty to 34 felony counts. And we just move away from that quickly. We have another paper that we'll just be looking at that one. It's the leadership newspaper this morning. The leadership says 54 days to inauguration to noble headhorns, best brains, competence for appointment. Now this is the period where all of the lobbying is going on. For those who have been re-elected and for the fresh kids in the blog, then you have a lot of lobbying going on. It says, so there's a pictorial representation to those who probably might be conceded. Sanusi Bajabiamila, I like her, Erufai Akwime, shortlist that fire me, a day at me may also be considered as you also have a fascilator. So you look at these pictures, these are men. I mean, what position do you have considered for something you want to ask? Relief as federal government holds, planned increase in excess duty on beverages or beverages. Now on the other side of the divide, like the other paper, it was very explicitly talked about non-alcoholic beverages. Now this is also making the rounds on the leadership. Trump arranged for 34 criminal charges. Please not guilty the first time in the history of America that you have a former president being, you know, a rain and some people say for Nigeria, God when? That's the kind of comments you see. Bandits make fresh 100 million demand in Niger state. Now that's a lot's been going on, shortly after the election. Prior to this time, we have been having like a holiday and just recently again, you have all of the attacks on the high. APC governors meet today as race for tense national assembly intensifies and that's what, you know, politics is about. Interest lobbying, it will definitely continue. Federal government opened second Niger bridge, made the 15th and completes local auto bridge. Then gunmen abduct eight students, village heads and wives, son in Kaduna and Kano, that unfortunate incident that has happened. We'll just quickly run through the nature newspaper. Federal government inaugurates 14 man panel to develop national wash policy. That's boldly written there. And just before move away, African capitol are becoming the world's first green civilization or civil endure. But you know, there are also implications for this. And some people say the politics of, you know, for the thought world, especially when you have the center controlling everything. And so you have the thought world going green. And what happens? That's also speak to development and infrastructure. We'll just take a break there now. Thank you so much for joining us. Can you hear me? Let me, let me ask you, how do you feel about, you know, this headline that's making the rounds as to the post election threats? That's how it's been captioned. Or be dirty. The problem I just ricks, treasonable charges. That's according to what the federal government is saying. There's no doubt that the candidate of the labor party and the zero limit have been making very muscular statements. And when you make muscular statements, most times the people in government will not be compatible with that. But the question you asked yourself, in what way can one say that the statement that those two people have been making undermines the government of the federation or constituted threats to the peace and stability of the nation? And so many people make a very, I would say, very muscular statement all the time on radio and television. But nobody is accusing them of accusing. Say, for example, the statement that has come from the one that has come from bio or nanoga. And so many other persons in the ACC. The tweet of the matter is the when present moment of why you also lost the election. That is before you won in 2016 and now. He was also making a secondary statement all over the place. With all those statements, the time present would love to let them. It's not tracking the slam prison charges against them. For if this is the case, I want to say that it's not fair for the present government to betray me or be a jackal with the prison charges. Yes, they may not have spoken as a statement. Yes, there may be some bitterness in some of the statements that they have made. But again, you want to say that most of the comments that they have made are really not fair from some of the comments that have come from the APC culture, or from some of the ambassadors in Nigeria, or from the international community. I would rather want to see the federal government address the issues that will be and that they are making so that we can have a better election in the future. That it is not the court that will be deciding with the Nigerian electorate, those who govern them. Well, you talked about muscular statement. If we look at the definition of a treasonable offense or what constituted treasonable offense in Nigeria, it talks about attacking a state through a form of war, trying to overthrow a government of the day. That is categorized as treasonable. On the other hand, performing acts that are related to treason is regarded as a treasonable offense or where you have a person who instigates any foreigner to invade Nigeria with Amphos is guilty of treason and is liable to punishment of death. You have said those statements. If we look at the statement whether they are on television or the audio that has been viral, some quarters will say that it is not true, it is doctored, but if there is anything to go by, do you think that this is a treasonable offense when you look at the definition of treason is against a country, especially in this context, Nigeria? No, I don't think so. The statement may be, like I said, muscular. They may not be like the statement a statement should make, but I don't think that those statements are capable of undermining or threatening or leading to the overthrow of the government. I don't think so. They are statements that are coming from citizens who feel deeply injured, who feel deeply deprived. Rather, it is those who read the election, it is those who undermine the election, it is those who suppress their voter, it is those who believe in allowing Nigeria to have a clear election that could be set to be taken on the path of treasonable felonies. So what would be the rationale of the government, especially when you have comments from Lai Muhammad, how would you describe that, that such statement will be put? Do we classify that as hate speech? What exactly do we describe such comments coming from the government, especially when you look at what a treasonable offense is against a country? Well it's not impossible that Alakilai Muhammad has made those statements to kind of put water on those incendiary statements or dump on them. It's not impossible he intended to use those statements as a kind of caution against that and Mr. Peter will be. Many times most government and security people will not want to wait until the situation starts boiling over before they start finding ways and moves to curtail some of those dangers. It's like reminding those two people that they should be aware of what they are saying, rather than not to further heat up the policies. All right then quickly on the punch, this is very interesting and it talks about foreign investors who shun states like Karno, Revers, Ogun and 24 other states in Nigeria. As our investment fell by 20.47%, that's $1.3 billion from $6.7 billion in 2021 to $3.33 billion in 2022. What exactly do you think that could be responsible for this particular behavior from foreign investors when you look at these states and the states that are also attracted foreign investment in the country. They say these states include, you have the likes of, or your state among orders, although the FCT, Anambra, Iqiti and Aqaibom platucus center among orders. So what exactly could have been a plus for these states that attracted investors and those that, you know, deemed attract investors? The truth of the matter is that the business people are very sensitive people. They look at so many things before they start investing their money and resources in any particular location or environment or state or country. Some of the things that they look at is the ease of doing business. It is easy to do business in this environment where people will not be asking for gratification before investing. If there are infarctions, if there are issues that have to be resolved by the courts or by the justice system, we like to, you know, say, will the court decide my case? So that money, energy resources will not be tighter. Of course, we look at the set of security and some of these states. So the ease of doing business, security, the good system, in that kind of environment, we also have the ability to dispense justice in a free and fair manner and in various traditional manner. All contribute a great deal to influence the distribution of the business to invest in any environment. And furthermore, you and I will also look. Some of these states, some of these governors are better marketer than the other. We know some of them will travel around the world trying to woo investors to their states because investors will not just come. They are the most decent things. We must make some offers today. Maybe in terms of easy land acquisition, in terms of getting the field of whatever land that they acquire to build their industries, to build their factories and now to do farming. These are some of the issues that, for some of those states that have been able to attract bigger investments, it could be that they have been able to improve on some of these things. And those that have not been able to, it could be that they are slacking or they are slacking in some of those areas or that there is insecurity around them and they are not doing enough marketing to attract their businesses to their states and all of them. But the tragedy of the whole thing and the most important and my own blue opinion is that in the country in which unemployment has been set to have risen to about 3%, it set up with your party for us. If again investments are falling in our country and it's important that both the state and the federal government do something to cover those falls and the investment that has been attracted to the different states of the Federation. Well I'd like to ask you also, this is also making the rounds on different papers. What lessons can Nigerian Africans learn from the arrest of former President Donald Trump as regards crime? He's been arrested of course he's pleaded not guilty. What exactly do you think that other democracies especially of the thought world can learn? Well you will see that part of the reason that America is able to make progress, part of the reason that China is making progress, part of the reason that a great Britain is making progress is because they are putting play the way it was to enforce the law against both the tiger and the fly. No matter who you are, if you commit a crime or an infraction they have the will to bring you to justice. It is only here in Nigeria in which it is only the fly that gets caught in the web of justice. I'll give you an example starting to put up money. General Ibrahim Babangira was invited to appear before you put up money. It was because his name kept coming up across the positions of that panel. For Luan Bihu, General Babangira refused to appear before you put up money. Right now he rushed to court to rescind the put up money from compelling him to appear before you and because he gave him that injunction. And then again you will remember there was a time General Richard Corbett-Nedot was also trapped to court. I think it was some two police officers who trapped General Babangira to court. They went to his firm to conduct a fact to arrest some officer, one or two of his members that was there to have broken the traffic rules and litigation. But when they got to the firm I think they were picking up some of those police men or one of them or two, lost what their chiefs had broken and not. So when they got caught and knotted and the court I think said he should have appeared before, he refused to appear. That guy also went to court and court went and declared that Opal Central is an institution. You cannot just defend him to court myself. So when you look at all these scenarios and of course you remember the former governor of Cross River State. Also when the ESCC wanted to take him to court they went to another court and got an injunction, a perpetual injunction restraining the ESCC from arresting and trying him. So if you have this kind of two parallel approaches to the justice system you and I would want to say that the lessons of the lesson on what is happening to do not stop is about the law. And until Nigeria is also able to enforce its law, the game will be tighter and decline. Then we might not be creeping a conducive environment for all citizens to try. It works in a way to undermine the justice system and send it to the rest of the world which is not too good for us as a nation. Take the lesson that we are talking about. Basically every election season that we have in our constitution, the winners of the election are to be decided by the National Presidential Tribunal, the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court. That is not right. That is an item. It is the voters that should decide who governs, who rules them, who manages them. But it's been the opposite in Nigeria. This democracy started in 1999. Let's quickly look at the leadership now. The leadership is about Tunibu and the headhorns for best brains, competence, for appointment. Now there are some names that have popped up in the list of all of these. I'd like you to share your thoughts on that. Sanusi is there, Bajabi Amila, we can't actually say for what position they are considered for but you have them. You also have Erufai. You have the likes of Akuma, Fai Oshie, Fiami, and the list is almost endless. A day is also here. I mean, looking at these names that have popped up as the list for consideration, what do you make of this? Best brains and competence? The first question I want to ask is, as the list is confirmed, to be a minority for man, because too many times you find speculation, you find rumors creeping into both the conventional media and the social media. What do those things really confirm? Whatever we say about the man, who you said to have made the list, who just make speculation on those things. But without as it may, let me say this. When you look at those names, their names of people who are the managing of our field is 1999. If all of them are in the one study, the responsibility of managing of our field is 1999, and the country has sunk to this level, then you want to say that God might not be a property easy to make. That's what Ebola has meant to you. If it's illicit in taking the country out of the quartmire with a family service, you need fresh brain, you need clean hands, to manage the affairs of this country. The problems that were brought up in the years of unemployment, in infrastructure, in security, you look at a rupee for example. A rupee is like a dune school, has been the most ungovernable state in the country in terms of security. So what will a rupee be putting on the table of a rupee? Look at the fires that are firing me. What is the performance of fires that are firing me in the city state? In what ways are these different of their state? All of them have had eight years of building a city state. And to the best of my knowledge, I have traveled to a city. It is not better than when those two people took over power in the city state. It was very similar to some of these other people whose names are top top on that list. Even if it is deported from unemployment, even if there is going to have or be able to pay the maintenance of this, that it is carrying on the heritage, even if there is going to be a problem respected in the international community as one of the fastest growing economies and others, then I see what you would need to look outside some of those names that you have mentioned. Like when you were in government, you went for people like Kukunjo-Royala, the mine African Development Bank, and then you went for people like Afro-Quariton, some of those names that people saw you do. People saw people like saw you do on board. And something here on the first hand, all right here. And we can also change it. At least our efforts were forgiven. And then Nigeria started on the path of economic growth. That is the way I see. And all these tired, worn out, and exhausted politicians, people, those who come, if it does be another job for the good boy, I'm not necessarily the kind of reward seeker for those who are ready to get the power. I'm not necessarily people who carry this Nigeria out of the woods. I mean, what could it be responsible when we look at the Pange newspaper, away from that now, the fact that cash circulation probably seemed to be low despite all of the directives and the commitment from the Central Bank of Nigeria. The NLC is also still saying, hey, we might still picket your offices. That stands after the automated. I'd like to share your thoughts on that. What do you think could be responsible for the circulation of cash? We're not even talking about the old Naira notes now, just the new Naira notes. We're talking about the old ones. What could be responsible? And do you see the NLC and backing on that strike in no time and picketing just like they have promised? So many things could be responsible. Like I said on this program before, the damages that has occurred in the Nigerian economy by that Naira's design strategy is going to be with us in the next 10, 15 years. It might take up to three years for us to be able to get out of it. So many stuffy places have collapsed. Individuals have lost their lives. Confidence in the Naira has been undermined. For international community too, they will be looking at it as a country that is not stable in terms of monetary policies. When does it do here that America is redesigning or changing its currency? When does it do here that Germany is redesigning and changing its currency? The only country that has changed currency recently is Great Precinct because of the debt of the point. And they now have a change. So they have to replace some of the pictures of the point that is on their currency, which is a picture of the king. And that is the energy that they are redesigning their currency. And even the one that they are redesigning the old currency, they will still be in circulation over some years until they are gradually taking out of circulation. So with regards to the challenges that the center of America is really getting enough money into circulation, there are many. One is that you know part of the reason the impact of that Naira design strategy is to cover inflation and all that, reduce the money in circulation. So if that was intended and all that, they would not want to pump as much money into the system as we used to have before they redesigned it. In order not to jeopardize that project of reducing the money in circulation and then using monetary policies to cover inflation. Second, they choose when some currency, when the currency is withdrawn from circulation. They are not kept in the fold anymore. Most times they destroy them. So if when the CPM was withdrawing those money, they are going to destroy the old currencies and all that. It is difficult for you to be able to get all those money back into circulation. And of course, you and I would know that the processing of exchange currency into circulation is not just a thing you do overnight. A lot of procedures are involved. The banks must make a request and the request that the banks will make could be paid on the request of their own customers too. Of course, to the business community. People who also want to borrow money to finance one project or the other. But who is borrowing money now? Who wants to start a new project? We saw this tomorrow that we have in the system. The emissions came. It wasn't as difficult as we wanted. The federal government is also saying that they want to do the same stuff. And all these things will cost money. All these things also have the possibility of destabilizing the economy, of destabilizing even the society at the old. So most people are doing a kind of way, just wait and see if this will happen. So that has kind of dampened what we used to have in the economic environment in the country. So this made some of the challenges. For example, injecting sufficient funds into the system. If the rush is getting off money into the system, yes. What we are intending to achieve by withdrawing the whole collection of funding inflation, reducing the money circulation, your debt will have been defeated. Which consequences is better in mind? Furthermore, you are asking whether the labor people still require to go on site. I think they should have gone back on site, along the coast. Even to the fee biennial decision on the resigning of the water. And it's quite early in the morning with the system. But there must be a community, a monetary policy that translates to the collapse of this system, that translates to the death of citizens and what I do, that is going to have consequences in the next 10 years. We don't just work with that way. People in the fee biennial, people in government, after we become accountable, the most it's also just this. We must ask them questions, who did what? From where this package got inflicted on the regular nation. But even though they try to remedy the situation, the need to include on accountability is enough for the labor people to go back on site. You can inflict on the nation and see the city prison on your office. You can inflict on the nation. And now you know the head accountable. So that is the thing I want to say, especially the ambassador and people. Tunde Kolawale, just as we cost this conversation down off the press, I'd like to ask you if you align with the thoughts of the former CBN governor, Sanusi, who says that Niger's more divided than we were during the civil war. Do you agree with that? Absolutely. I have to agree in so many areas. Look at the animosity between the youth and the peoples. The only time we saw that happen was running the Nigerian civil war and the civil war. And a few months before the civil war, the youth of Niger, who are volunteers in here, who have done the work, who have done the sort of intermarriages, who have sent these services all over the state and Northern, are now pointing acoustic fingers on themselves. Furthermore, you go up north, especially in Kathmandu, and then the middle belt. The middle belt people are not so thoughtful with the result of the election that we have had. And there is electricity in those parts of the country. Amen. For now, very many nonchalant from other parts of the country are not having as much as they would do with another part of the country. And you also find out, as for people from another part of the country, who still have the best way to have the attitude for going about the regular people in the different parts of the country, what's possible at the state and at the state and so on. That's the way because the middle belt people have been inaugurated. The new government, the middle belt people have been inaugurated. And we see what could happen before we begin to get back our life in the very program. I agree with you. There's a lot of compromise that the state is more organized and more decided because of the unconscionable action of the Nigerian position and those who hang around there, and those who speak for them, and those who campaign for them. Suddenly, the region has become an issue in Nigeria. Suddenly, the regions in which to come from has become an issue for God's sake. It wasn't like that before the mass elections were conducted. Well, we have to let you go at this point in time. Thank you so much. We just hope that we're able to find the ember of unity and that of, you know, progress. I mean, in diversity and not out of disunity. Hopefully, we'll just get to that point where we understand that we're one and it doesn't matter what language or what location or where it is that we find ourselves. But the beautiful thing is that we're Nigerians. That's it. Thank you so much, Tundi Kola Wale. Thank you for having us. We have been speaking with Kola Wale, who has been a guest on the show this morning. He's a legal practitioner right here in Lagos, and he shared his thoughts on the papers this morning. We'll just take that break when we return. We'll head straight to our first conversation here. We ask that you stay with us. Good morning.