 We are now being joined by Ugoji Immanuel Chinone, national president o haji youth in Imostate. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Can you hear me? I can hear you Chinone. That was a very good evening to you. That was a very gori site. We're just witnessing from your place. Can you tell us what the later situation of things, you know, are in that place now? All right. It's a very gori situation and we're really hoping that the area is still morning because people woke up one morning and saw about 100 and something we can't even recognize that. It's something very bad but the community, the local government is still morning over this. But now they don't see that the people are morning. No much activities around that area for now. What can you tell us about the illegal refinery operation in the area? How long has it been going on there? In as much as I can remember, it's been on for a very long time and between two to three years now, at the point there was a total clampdown on them. They knew the commander at Obiza 342. He clamped down on them and for a very long time, it's also like two primos, there have not been operations around that area. As in this area, they are haji youth. Has not been anything around that area for a very long time now. Say for us, we woke up Saturday morning seeing plans and smoke from everywhere. That's all I can say for now. Illegal refining and bunkering have been on the rise in some parts of the country and that despite the huge risks involved, why do you think people still get involved in it? That is one thing that is confusing me because, ordinarily, the risk in that business is far more greater than the gain they gain from it. I see no reason why somebody will just decide to commit suicide. Somebody that is into this bunkering over 10, the place is pontifier at every given opportunity. There are so many times who have called the youth that it's not that you start with something that is going into this bunkering over 10. And you know, most of them are people who were granted amnesty earlier and the government has finally got to incorporate them fully into what they were trained for. And to them, some of them will tell you instead of them carrying arms and that it's better for them to do this. But the risk is much. So, I can't tell how best to handle this situation, but I tell you, proper sensitization will help. But you are the national president of a haji youth in Emo state and you're saying proper sensitization would help. Why didn't you properly sensitize people before now? Yeah, we have done that, but actually government needs to get involved. You know, when you tell somebody something, you feel that maybe as a brother, he may not take it serious. You have government coming in, telling them this is the consequence of building this and that. And see how they can rehabilitate some of these bodies, but see how you can train them. This sensitization does not end only in Turkey. You have to incorporate them. Give them skill accusation who are from Niger data. And from what is coming from this place, every youth from Niger data is supposed to believe in work. When somebody is idle, definitely the person will look for something to meet up with his needs. And to them, this is only available business for them now. So, we have tried on our own to see how we can reduce the menace of this bunkring. But each time you try, you will see people doing it. They will ask you, how do you want us to survive? To them, they believe that is the only way they can survive. And most of the people doing this are not from our state. Some of them we are from River State, Bayasa and Delta. These were people, the federal government trained in different students in the Amnesty program. And to them, since there is no primary for them to work, they devised this means and saw it as a local way to refine. I think that is where all this thing is coming from. The people they are trying to shoot, bring them back, see where they can fix them, so that they will not have this idea of, okay, let me go and build my own local refinery where I will build my own process, process my own food and say to people. Well, clearly Immanuel, this calls for urgent national interventions. Thank you so much for your time. Ugoji Immanuel Chinone, the national president of Haji youth in Imol state. Please do subscribe to our YouTube channel and don't forget to hit the notification button so you get notified about fresh news updates.