 I would disagree with you. You don't want to be vegan otherwise you would. Like, those hens, when they are spent, they get gassed and then they go to chicken soup. It's f***ed up. It's f***ed up. It ain't f***ing possible. And I would... How do you know what this was about? How do you know? See your videos. You didn't even read the sign and you're already trolling, mate. What the... What the f***, my guy? What? Yeah, yeah. What? It's bad. It's so f***ing disgusting, man. So we've got the sign here. It says, why aren't you vegan? And I'm assuming you read it and then you wanted to sit down and chat about it. Yes. First, I would love to establish some ground rules for, like, where you're at in veganism, right? Where am I? Yeah. So, like, what are your feelings around veganism? So, like, along the lines of, is it the meat industry that you found that going vegan was a kind of, like, I don't know, an answer to saying, you know, f*** you to the cruelty of the meat industry? Or do you feel that it was more of a dietary kind of, like, requirement? Okay, we're saying, you want me to... Yeah, like, are you sandwiched, like, where you're at for your food? Yeah, the word vegan has been adulterated a lot and people see it as a health movement and environment movement. So, the word veganism is a philosophy that seeks to exclude the exploitation and cruelty to animals. Okay. That's where the vegan philosophy was founded in 1944. There's a definition online. The exploitation and cruelty to animals, you're avoiding that as far as it's possible and practicable, meaning, able to be practised. So, that's where I stand and I think that if people are against cruelty-killing exploitation of animals, yeah, it shouldn't just be dogs and it should be the all-conscious beings... Just, like, domesticated animals, yeah. It should be consistent across the board and being vegan is living in alignment with that. So, basically, your actions are in alignment with your philosophy against the exploitation. And that is also your belief? That is my belief. And my question to the people that walk past is, why aren't they vegan? I have so many vegan friends and, for example, I haven't gone for vegan, but I've been vegetarian for a very long time. Very, very long time. How long? Oh, Jesus. Like, maybe going on 10, 15 years? Oh. Yeah, dude. Because, like, back home meat is, well, that was pretty much raised like just... It's part of the natural cycle. We raise animals for our consumption. We don't go needlessly, like, there's not an industry behind it. There is a huge culture around anti-cruelty farming there. So, in my opinion, when I win... Can I give you an example? Well, there is this chicken farm, for example, called Elgin. They are an amazing, amazing resource, at least for, like, really just cruelty-free-ish. What do you mean? For eggs? Well, yes. Eggs, like, free-range eggs, as well as meat. And the thing is... So they do eggs and meat out of the same chicken farm? Yes. And the thing is, the whole thing is desperately trying to keep as cruelty-free as humanly possible. And how can you make that claim if you're not there working within that farm? Well, because I'm used to shop at their one shop that's literally just down the street from me. You're a customer to them, like, I mean, I'm not going to tell you what goes on. Yeah, no, but as well as the farmers are out there and as well as the fact that my mom is also part of the South African government. So she kind of shows your mom ain't in there, but no disrespect to your mom, but she ain't in there working within the farm. She's not working within the farm, but that's not missing. So how do you know what happens to those animals? Because there is proof and videos, as well as inspections, as well as farm testimonies, as well as a whole bunch of people that work there. So we can talk about this farm. Yes. OK. So when you're not buying from this farm, are you vegan? No, I'm vegetarian. OK, so that farm really doesn't matter. But even though I'd like to, I could unpack that farm for the whole time. But for me right now, I want to know why you're not vegan outside of that farm, because you're using this example here. Over here. Oh, we're talking about, like, right here, right now. Why aren't you vegan? I'm not saying there's this farm. There's this farm. Well, that doesn't mean the rest of the world is this farm. No, you're right. You're in the UK right now. Yeah, fair, fair, fair. I get you, I get you. I understand, yeah. Here and now in the UK, I'm fully vegetarian. And the only time that I ever really will maybe potentially venture into meat is, oh, God, the last, like, months and months and months ago. But the whole point is that I love eggs. That's just about the only thing. But like, I go vegan cheese, vegan sauces. Pretty much it's just, it's just eggs. That's the only real, I use oat milk. I don't actually drink any milk whatsoever. But it's literally just going to try and find the most free-range eggs fucking possible. And I would. How do you know what this was about? How do you know? I'll see your videos. You didn't even read the sign and you're already trolling, mate. What the hell? You're from behind, you already know, mate, hey. Oh, he's got it, he's got it. I love it, I love it. So basically, now you're saying like the only thing you ever eat. That isn't vegan right now. Is this for ethical reasons? Yeah. So your reasoning is because why do you avoid dairy? Oh, dude, the milk industry, man. What the fuck? It's horrible. Excuse my language. Yeah, no, dude, what the fuck, my guy? What? Yeah, yeah, it's bad. It's so fucking disgusting, man. It's, it's. What's disgusting about it? Oh. Tell me. Well, forced insemination, the whole fucking milking cows on end for hours at a time, like just the filtering process, the whole just, it's, yeah, it's not even, and then we then there's the fish industry at the moment, and it's just, it's just so much. There's ethical implications with all of them. All of them. I want to know specifically for dairy, because you're a vegetarian who doesn't eat fish. You say you only eat meat on occasion. I mean, we could unpack that. I mean, but, but let's just stick to you. So you don't buy dairy for the reasons, the ethical implications. Ethical implications entirely, entirely. Interesting. So you don't want to give them money, basically. Yeah. Trying, trying my best, trying my absolute best. A lot of people, including myself, we get halfway in between and we're like, dude, we can push it as far as we can, but it's better, it's better than just people saying, that's it, I'm never going vegan or even trying. You know, at least even like, that's progress. It's not progress. From like five, 10 years ago, there was none of that. There was absolutely none of that. There was not like this, okay, cool. Maybe I'll have meat once in a while. It was like, cool. Fridays every week, as a treat. If I was eating six steaks a day and you're doing what you're doing right now, then that's better. Precisely. I mean, torturing a hostage and then killing him is much worse than me just killing him. So I'm better than the person he tortures and kills the hostage. I know it's an extreme scenario, but they can both be bad, but one's less bad. That's a bit of a trap, as it were, because. Let me explain. Go on then. You still buy eggs, no worries. Yes. And for those same reasons that you avoid dairy, you really should be avoiding eggs because the egg industry is just as, if not more in some cases, horrific and violent and cruel to more beings than the dairy industry. Fair. Yeah. Free range egg industry here. I mean, I don't know if you'd want to defend, like, defend their marketing is pretty good. Their marketing is pretty good. I'm not going to lie. Fair. Fair. I mean, that's the thing is that we can get bogged down into so many different kinds of semantics, but the whole fact that I'm trying to say is like, I'm not fully, fully vegan, but the fact that I'm not is not necessarily a bad thing in 2022. I think that there has been so much vegan progress from so many people and like, literally, three out of five of my friends are pretty. I'm with you. I'm with you. And that's, that's the positivity. You are doing, you're talking vegetarian for 15 years. Yes, but this is what I'm saying. So when I look at like this wonderful sign, it's like, why am I not fully vegan? It's not necessarily because I don't want to go there. It's just right now, it, it just. I would disagree with you. You don't want to be vegan otherwise you would, or you're not motivated enough to be vegan. You're in it. So what I find is like, people that have been vegetarian for a long, long time, they get into a comfort zone. Fair. Yeah, a comfort zone. Like, you think, these, these are bad, but the egg industry isn't bad. But that might be because you don't know enough about it. Pure at least. In, in South Africa it is. In Bali it is. We had chickens. In Europe it is. You name it. Yeah, but we had chickens back home. Literally. You have chickens in your backyard, your own chickens. But you don't go out and use eggs from your backyard. You don't, when you go out to eat in restaurants you're eating eggs. Oh no, no. Yeah, like, and you when you eat packaged food and it's got egg in it, you don't avoid it because it's not from your backyard chickens. I mean, these, you know what I'm saying? There's a lot, there's a lot going on. There where, where egg and dairy are just kind of like peppered in there in so many different products. Yeah, I get it. It's, it's hard, it's hard. It's, it's not really. It's hard out here for fucking. It's very simple, because I've been vegan now, nine years going on, ten years, and I've been in the UK since 2018. Good shit. Off and on. And the UK is the easiest place to be vegan on earth nearly. Fair play, especially because now there are so many vegan, entirely vegan. I think there's even like a vegan burger shop. Like literally just, my brother. Yeah, and a vegan pizza shop. What I'm saying is that it's very easy to be vegan. It's not hard at all. Fair. It's, and you're very intelligent I can already tell. Hardly man. You're very intelligent. I'm literally one of the dumbest of my friends. Well, you're hanging out with smart people. You're smart, you're aware, you're chill, you're peaceful, you don't seem cruel, callous. You don't seem like you're just like, plant-filled pain, that sort of other animals. Dude, Richmond Vegan Sausages Man, changed my life fam. Changed my life. What I would say to you, all right, the egg industry, right, with what they do to the egg layers. And after a certain amount of time, they lose all their feathers from laying egg after egg every single day. The male chicks go to a macerator, or they get gassed upon hatching. And that goes into a chicken nuggets fam. No, no, no, that goes to pet food, but what does go to chicken? What? Yeah, or fertilizer, but what does go to chicken nuggets? Are the spent egg layers. Like those hens, when they are spent, they get gassed. And then they go to chicken nuggets. The mums. It's f***ed up. It's f***ed up. They have mums and dads in this big shed. That fertilize the eggs. The eggs come out, they go down on conveyor belt, the male chicks hatch, they go on the macerator. They take the females, they lay eggs for about 18 months. Then they go to get gassed. There's just, there's no level of it. There's no level of it that is considerable. Even if we all just ate eggs, and I sat here and go, why do you still eat eggs? Eggs, fair. We can change this on. Why do you still eat eggs? Those are the reasons, right? From your side, why one shouldn't. And they're 100% I agree with you. And you know what? Maybe I might just maybe cut out eggs for a little while. You should be motivated though, because I wouldn't want you to make some flippant decision because you sit in here and you're a nice guy. No fair, fair. But the whole point is that this is already knowledge that I know of. I just wanted to sit down and have a f***ing conversation. Veganism is a good f***ing thing. And I wanted to find out your stones. Like, so it's just good shit. I appreciate you sitting down. I appreciate you sitting down. That is nice. Yeah, it is a beautiful thing. I would invite, let me just give you something. I'll just give you like, it's just a little thing that we made, and we're pretty proud of it actually, because this is why it's so easy. These have options. If you like fast food, these are some documentaries. I made this one and this one. This is one from the UK. This is one from Australia, it kind of applies outwards. And you've probably seen the environment ones. Yeah, man. In fact, this is the best app. Have a go. Because you can just type it in and you get vegan options wherever you are. The beginning of this conversation, I was trying to run and route you through the ringer about this farm. The reason I was is because we've exposed so many places like this that are like, oh my God, they're marketing everything. So they're getting checks and we expose labels and these humane farms all the time. Which is always a good thing. And because they might propagate something to the public, but in reality, there's a lot to do. Not behind closed doors. Geoffrey Epstein didn't commit suicide. Yeah, yeah. It was good talking to you, brother. Take care, have a good day.