 All right, I'll get started. My name is James Pepper. I'm the chair of the Vermont Cannabis Control Board. Today is November 9th, 2022. It's one o'clock and I call this meeting in order. A really quick administrative update to the agenda. We are gonna enter into an executive session. We have a person who's applied for an employee ID card that has a presumptively disqualifying offense. Our staff has reviewed the case and would like to present their recommendation to us and the supporting reasons why this person has overcome the presumptive disqualification. So we would like to enter an executive session after the staff has presented all recommendations and before we vote on them. So we've even invited Susanna Davis, the executive director of racial equity and Jake Green from the Office of Racial Equity to join us in executive session. And it didn't take long, I don't think. Product registration. We have some important issues on the agenda today so I'm gonna be brief. I'm very grateful to see so many people registering their products. I can tell the licensing team that there's some frustration in the industry over the pace of our approvals. The primary reason for the backlog in our approvals is first and foremost, the resources that we have here at the board. Product registration approval lives with our licensing staff who is simultaneously doing this. They're also reviewing license applications and employee ID card approvals. And the more we focus our resources on product registration, the less capacity we have for actually getting businesses their licenses and their employees licensed. We've made the decision to shift a portion of our compliance team's workload to reviewing product registration which should help speed up the process. The secondary reason that it's been slow on our end is we have a temporary process in place which utilizes Microsoft Teams, not Salesforce, it's not very streamlined. If we get partially complete product registration forms where the test results or the packaging information doesn't come in at the same time as the rest of the form, we have to kind of piece all this together on the backend manually. There's no automation to it and all the communication aspects are not automated like they will be in Salesforce. We do have an RFP or we had to put out an RFP for the Salesforce integration for product registration. It's being developed currently, it's being built, should be done by the end of the year. When that is in place, it will cut out a huge amount of the backend work that we have to do to get product registered. So there is a light at the end of the tunnel. In the meantime, we're gonna try and get a wave of them done utilizing some of our compliance teams resources. I know that there's a question about us publishing a list of registered products. We don't have the capacity to do that right now. You know, anyone, a retailer can always ask the person they're purchasing products from to see the product registration. And you can always email us if you're a retailer looking to see if a product that you wanna sell has been registered. That email address is ccb.products.fermont.gov. Just a reminder that product registration is very important to the long-term success of this market. We don't wanna jeopardize people's licenses or Vermont's reputation for quality by getting unregistered products into the market. You know, I know people are sinking a lot of money into their operations and people want to have a diversity of products on their shelves, but you know, we need to only sell registered products. So the other updates, we have two new positions that have been posted. You can go to the Vermont Human Resources website to look at those and apply for those. One final reminder that our staff is organizing a live Q&A session. The focus of this Q&A session is on testing and inventory tracking and product registration. The date is November 21st, so it'll be at 7 p.m. And the link to join is posted on our website. Please, you know, collect all your questions about testing, inventory tracking, product registration, and bring them to that Q&A session. And hopefully we can get you some answers. Other than that, just need to approve our minutes from our last meeting on November 2nd. There, a motion? Seconded. All in favor? Hi. All right, moving through the agenda. Carrie, are you with us? Carrie's gonna do a hemp policy update if he's there. I'm gonna do that. Oh, you are? Oh, sorry. Oh, great. All right, brand. Carrie has already planned to do it. All right. I'm sorry, I don't need this right now. Yep, so this is just a brief update on the board's hemp policy. Last Friday, the board posted an industry bulletin on hemp and hemp-derived high THC products to our website. And that bulletin was really designed to give both hemp growers and processors in the state an early roadmap on the board's approach to hemp products that are going to be entering the market. So to start, I should back up a little bit and say that last legislative session, the General Assembly transferred the regulatory authority over hemp and hemp-derived products from the Agency of Agriculture to the Cannabis Control Board. And that specifically included the authority to regulate synthetic cannabinoids and hemp-derived cannabinoids including Delta 8 and Delta 10 THC. So what does that mean for the hemp growers and processors in the state? For hemp growers, hemp cultivators are currently required to register with the Agency of Agriculture. But at the end of this calendar year, the agency is going to withdraw its USDA approved hemp production plan. And so in 2023, hemp growers are going to be required to register with the USDA to continue to cultivate hemp in compliance with federal law. So the board is not going to oversee hemp growers. Hemp processors, however, the board does have the authority over regulating businesses that are manufacturing hemp-derived products. And we are required by the legislature to submit a report to the General Assembly in January that lays out our plan for regulating hemp processors and hemp-derived products. So this is really kind of an early conversation about what our plan is since we have not yet written our rules governing hemp producers or hemp products. So our plan is to offer two paths for hemp producers and hemp products. So first, for hemp processors that intend to produce products with less than one milligram of THC per serving, the board is going to develop a registration system that will have similar requirements to those that were administered by the agency of agriculture. For hemp processors that intend to produce products with one or more milligrams of THC per serving, those processors are going to be required to get a cannabis establishment manufacturing license. Retailers that are wanting to sell these products are also going to need to get a cannabis establishment retail license. So these hemp-derived products with a milligram or more of THC per serving are going to need to undergo the same testing, labeling and packaging requirements as cannabis and cannabis products. And they're also going to need to be registered before they can be sold in a retail establishment. As the chairs mentioned in previous meetings, our compliance team has pulled hemp-derived products from retailer shelves that were non-compliant with the rule and contain greater than one milligram or more of THC per serving. These products, the board is really viewing as being intended for the adult use market and therefore are going to need to comply with adult use market regulations. So I wanna emphasize that the board is going to go through its regular rule-making process on hemp processors and hemp-derived products and that's going to be happening in the coming months. There's going to be ample opportunity as always for the public to weigh in on the policies that the board is developing prior to those policies becoming a rule. And I also wanna acknowledge that there's like a constant evolution of cannabis law and policy both at the state level and at the federal level that could inform changes to the way that the board is going to regulate hemp-derived products. And we will continue to provide public bulletins as that policy develops. Any questions for Brent about that? No. Brent. All right, and now next on the agenda, we're gonna review advertising guidance. I think, Julie, you're gonna do that? Yes. Okay. I think I should probably put the guidance up on the screen for folks. If that will reach over, otherwise I can just go through it. It should reach. No, it'll reach. Let's wait a little bit more. Oh, there it goes. It should. And we might have to act as if that's a second screen to your right. So this guidance is up on our website now. And I thought we would go through it just to make sure that folks are clear on what's in there, highlight some things for folks to go back and look at later so that you know where to reference this advertising information because it is incredibly important that we are looking at and following this guidance and what we've laid out for ourselves as expectations. So excuse scrolling for a moment. So just to remind everyone what advertising is and what advertising is not. And advertisement is a publication or dissemination of an advertisement. And it means any written or verbal statement, illustration or depiction that is calculated to induce sales of cannabis or cannabis products. So, and that inducement of sales is important to remember, meaning to persuade or influence. So keep that in mind as we go through this guidance. So that includes anything that's written, printed, graphics, material, billboard sign, any other outdoor display, theoretical literature, publication, radio, television, broadcast, internet or any other media. And you can find those definitions right on the legislature's website in law. What is not advertising is the label affixed to the product. You know, any editorial or reading material such as like a news release or a periodical publication. So if somebody, if your local paper does a story about your store, that's not necessarily an advertisement. Educational or instructional material and the sign that's attached to the premises identifying it as the cannabis establishment. However, even though those things are not advertisements, they still need to follow the sort of general advertising restrictions which you can see down here. And sort of from here to kind of like the next, through the next page, it talks about what is not allowed for advertising content. And so here are the things that I want folks to remember. Advertisements cannot include false or misleading claims. So that means the test results have to be accurate. The THC content has to be accurate. Whatever's in the ad has to be an accurate statement. Can't promote overconsumption. Can't claim curative effects of cannabis or cannabis products. Can't offer a prize, award or any other inducements. So it can't be a buy one, get one. Can't be a sale. Discounts are allowed, but an advertisement of a discount or an advertisement of like a buy one, get one. It can have an advertisement for free samples. And just as a reminder, samples to consumers are not allowed. We do have rules around samples for vendors and employees, but not for the public. So consumer samples are not allowed. And it cannot appeal to or depict a person under the age of 21. And I'll talk more about that last one there and a little bit about how to avoid appealing to those under the age of 21. So moving through the guidance. I would just note also this is all from the statute. People trying to appeal to us about changing this is just not you're asking the wrong people. I know that there's a lot of limitations there. And these are some of the most restrictive advertising restrictions in the country. So it's not really on us to change these. We're just following the law here. That's right. And I guess I should have said at the start, the point of this guidance is to help explain what's in the statute, not to create another set of rules or policy to follow. It's really just a helpful explanation of what it is we're all supposed to be following. So moving through this, a reminder that it is required that folks include the warning label in their advertising. And as a board, we were not prescriptive about where or how that warning label had to appear in the advertising other than it needs to be clearly visible. It can't be covered by other images or as a watermark. And we have some examples here in the guidance to demonstrate that. So you can see the example on the left shows the warning label very clearly, the example on the right does not, the example on the left is okay, the one on the right is not. So to your point, Chair Pepper about the restrictions and having the most restrictive rules in the country, cannabis establishments cannot advertise products via any medium unless, sorry, I have to flip the page because I can't actually see the screen. Unless the licensee can show that not more than 15% of the audience is reasonably expected to be under 21. And in the guidance, we have a little chart that kind of describes what that means. It takes language from our rules and then kind of describes what each of those things means in a little bit more detail. So generally, the CCB assumes that 15% of the audience for all advertising is under the age of 21. And then to overcome that assumption, what cannabis establishments can do is to provide reliable and verifiable information that wherever that ad is placed, the audience meets that 15% criteria. And just to be clear, the responsibility for providing that reliable and verifiable information is on the licensee, not the place where the advertisement is placed. So it's not on the magazine, the TV station, the radio station to demonstrate that, the licensee needs to collect that information from those places and provide it when they submit their ad for approval or submit their ad to the CCB. And on the very end of this, I'll talk about how to submit those ads. Because more than 15% of Vermont's general population is under the age of 21, it's assumed that any advertising outdoors that's viewable to the general public will not be allowed unless of course, the person placing the advertisement, the licensee placing the advertisement can demonstrate that they're meeting that 15% requirement. This, the 15% requirement does not have to be met for signs that are fixed to storefront that merely say this is where your cannabis shop is. However, those signs must still abide by the general advertising restrictions that we talked about before. Those kind of six or seven criteria about what advertisements can and cannot look like, those apply to labeling, it applies to your branding and it applies to the signs outside your buildings. So social media and websites is kind of the next section of this guidance. Cannabis establishments may certainly have websites and may choose to use social media. However, the websites and social media must comply with those general advertising restrictions. So those same six or seven restrictions that we talked about before. And moving through that a little bit, cannabis establishment websites must have age gating. And so we have an example here of the age gating. And like all other types of advertising, web advertising must meet that 15% rule. So cannabis establishments cannot advertise on websites that are managed by other entities unless those sites also have age gating and can demonstrate that meeting that 15% criteria. And then the next section goes into social media and I'm just gonna, I'm gonna straight up read this because this is tricky, this is tricky for all of us. And I don't want anything to get lost in translation but this is really, really important. The cannabis establishment social media posts must comply with the general advertising restrictions. If a social media post qualifies as an advertisement, the establishment must submit the post to the board as an advertisement is detailed later in this guidance. And I will talk about how to do that. Social media posts of images of cannabis flower or registered finished product that are not calculated to induce sales of cannabis or cannabis products are acceptable. Further cannabis establishments may only promote products using links to their age gated websites. This means cannabis establishments cannot use shop now buttons that bring users to social media marketplace. So you can put your website on your social media account but you can't have a post that has like a shop now that takes you to a separate marketplace store on your social media account. Further cannabis establishments cannot sell or advertise cannabis or cannabis products in a third party social media marketplace. So you can't put it on Etsy or your buy, sell, trade websites or media sites that are out there. Cannabis establishments may use the instant messaging component of a social media platform to communicate with customers. So if a customer asks you a question you can answer it through that medium but may not advertise or sell cannabis products via social media via instant messaging. Cannabis establishments may use their logo and branding on social media. Images and text on social media platforms may direct users to the cannabis establishments website. So that's what I was mentioning before. Further cannabis establishments may use social media platforms for general consumer information and education. Cannabis retail establishments that lawfully collect customer contact information may send text or email messages only to age verified customers. So if someone has opted into something in your store where you've collected their information they've agreed to that you can send email and text messages to that person so long as they have opted in again. And any messages that qualify as an advertisement must be submitted to the board as an advertisement and I'll talk about how to submit that a little bit later. So this is a really important section and it's on page seven and again this is up on our website now. Folks wanna go there and view it. So here are some examples of acceptable social media posts and unacceptable social media posts and then a reminder that general merchandise is not necessarily advertising but it does still need to comply with the general advertising rules meaning not appealing to children and not making false claims, not claiming curative effects. Those six or seven criteria that we talked about at the first thing. So the next section of the guidance goes through how to avoid advertisements that are appealing to those under the age of 21. And this is a requirement of state law that the advertisements not appeal to someone who's under the age of 21. And that means not using toys, inflatables, movie characters, cartoon characters and I'll talk a little bit about what a cartoon is in a minute, no child friendly depictions of food or other consumables or any other display depiction or image that is designed to be appealing to minors or anyone under the age of 21. So when we're talking about not appealing to under 21 we mean certainly not using folks or depictions of a person who's under the age of 21 in the ad, not using cartoons or things that are commonly marketed to children and youth and not using items that are generally more attractive to persons under 21. When we're talking about cartoons and I think this is a conversation that we had a few months ago when we were developing this guidance. Cartoon is not necessarily like the style of artwork in this case it's the content of that artwork. So things that are cartoons in this context should not have comically exaggerated typically human features, shouldn't attribute human or super human characteristics to animals, plants or other objects and cartoons appealing to children often use anamorphic technique to give animals and inanimate objects or not other non-human objects like human identities and that in this context is a cartoon for the purposes of not appealing to those who are under the age of 21 and should not use fonts that are typically used to attract the attention of young children and youth and there's an example here of imagery to avoid. There's also some other examples of imagery to avoid in the labeling guidance as well. So there's plenty of examples of things to avoid. So moving through to how to submit ads to the boards they have to be submitted in a format prescribed by the board, they can be submitted by email generally in a PDF or in a voice or video media if that is how the ad will appear. They can be submitted to ccb.advertising at vermont.gov. For advertisements it should, what you send to the board should be exactly what you intend to be in the advertisement. So if you're sending a graphic image that should be the finished product ad that you're submitting to us to look at same with any kind of voice, radio ad or any other type of media if it's a video or what have you. What you submit should include the locations where you expect the ad to run and the dates that'll run and the reliable verifiable data that the audience meets that 15% criteria. The board will review those and we'll look at those within 10 business days. Oh, sorry to go back. Ads need to be submitted 15 days before they're expected to run and then the board will look at within 10 business days. So submit them 15 days before you intend for them to run and it will take the board roughly 10 days to look at those and then once it's approved it has to appear exactly as it was submitted to the board. So that's sort of the rundown of this guidance. Again, it's up on our website the instructions on how to submit are there. Folks around the table, is there anything I left out or should address? No, I mean, I know it's complicated. You know, we have learned some lessons in the past few decades around cartoon imagery and you know, things that might be appealing to youth we're gonna try and apply those lessons learned to this space and just do the best we can to get through this. It's complicated. Yeah, it is complicated. I think we all recognize that and as a society these days we're so used to putting so much of our business and personal life out on the internet. And I think before folks hit the post button make sure that you feel like you're compliant and if you have questions, please ask them. There are a lot of folks around the state still that want to see this industry not succeed and this is something that they're gonna continuously go back towards. And it is, you know, I think New York actually might be meeting us in terms of being more restrictive. I hope for that, yeah. Well, we're certainly at the top but together we can figure out ways so I think folks can still market their products in a safe, effective way. It's the only thing I would add is that the advertising review process is not a fee-based process. The legislature decided not to attach a fee to the review by the CCB. So, you know, if the flood gate's open and we get swamps it can take a while for us to review these but really, you know, the idea is check in with the board before you put an advertisement out. It's much, you know, we will get through it. There's no, you know, there's no fee associated with this. So. Thank you. Okay. I think we're up to review the applications for this week. Okay. So here is your register for this week starting with the medical program. Here are our numbers for this week. We've been pretty steady with the incoming numbers of renewal applications and new applications. So getting through those as best we can. Moving on to the adult use license application numbers that these numbers are current as of yesterday. So looking at the total numbers, we've got 37 new applications in the last seven days. The majority of those as always lately are going to be employee ID card applications. We have gotten four new cannabis establishment applications. Three of those are small cultivator applications and one is a new retail application. So I'm going to move on to the location. This is our chart that describes the location of all retail licensees and retail applicants that are still in the queue. So just a reminder, this is all retail establishments. Those that have been licensed and those that are still in process. The team ran a new report for these retail establishments. So these numbers look a little bit different than last week's numbers. And actually what this new report reveals is that there's a little bit less density of retail establishments in the Burlington area. So you'll see that there, and this chart looks a little different too because it has the status, actually reveals the status of where in the queue these applications are. So you'll see there's only six Burlington establishments there. And I just want to make one note, which is that this report was run just on retail establishments. So it does not include the integrated license that is in Burlington that has a retail outlet. So this new report will inform the numbers that go to the website. Because I do think it's a little bit more accurate that we did out like a test application. So I think that that accounted for the difference between the number of Burlington establishments that were indicated on last week's register and this one. So I'll move on to our recommendations for approval of a license. So these are the applicants this week that have demonstrated that they have complied with all the requirements for their license that are contained both in statute and in board rule. We have first up humble skunk applying for an indoor tier one cultivation license. Subterra cannabis applying for an indoor tier two cultivation license. Somewhere on the mountain applying for a retail license. Clover VT applying for a retail license. Vermont Humphcraft LLC applying for a retail license. Emerald Rose Retail applying for a retail license. Oho Roho Cannabis applying for a wholesaler license. Ventessential Botanicals applying for an outdoor tier three cultivation license. Epona Farms applying for a retail license. And District 802 applying for a tier one manufacturing license. We also have a recommendation of the chair mentioned at the outset. This week we have a recommendation for an employee ID card. So staff is recommending approval of an employee ID card for submission number 1857. As staff have determined that this applicant meets the criteria for their employee ID card pursuant to board rule 116.4. And this is the applicant that the board will discuss in executive session today. So moving on to our amendments. We've got the same number of amendments that we had last week. Here are our social equity application numbers. We do have two of the four new applicants for a cannabis establishment license and have identified themselves as social equity applicants. So our total number and a few is up to 122. And that's where we are this week. Great. So any questions for Brent about these? Nope. All right. So we're gonna go into executive session to discuss the staff recommendation around the employee ID card approval. You know, we don't make any decisions in executive session. We just hear the underlying facts and the rationale for the recommendation. And then we come out and we vote. So I think this one will probably take less than 10 minutes, but why don't we just say 10 minutes? Yep, I think that's a good estimate. So is there a motion to enter into executive session? I move that the CCB go into executive session to consider confidential attorney-client communications made for the purposes of providing professional legal services to the body and that executive session is required because premature general public knowledge regarding such communications would clearly place the Board of Substantial Disadvantage. I further move that the Board invites Susanna Davis and Jay Green from the Office of Racial Equity into executive session. Oh, second. On favor. Aye. Aye. So Nellie, why don't we say 145 for return? Sounds good. Okay. There you go. Great. All right. So we're back. It's 146 p.m. And we're out of executive session. We heard the underlying facts of the kind of staff recommendation and their rationale. And I think we are ready to vote on all of the staff recommendations. I move that the Board accept each of the recommendations as presented to us by staff in this meeting. Oh, second. All in favor. Aye. Aye. All right. I think, yeah, why don't we shift to public comment? And I would just remind folks that we can't, the Board here cannot answer questions directly about advertising or whatever. You know, we are gonna have a live Q&A session with our staff very soon, November 21st where you can bring questions that can get answered in real time. But we'll do our public comment the same as always. We'll start with the people that joined on the phone or via the link. And if you have a comment, please raise your virtual hand then we'll shift to people that joined on the phone. David. Hey, thanks everyone. Just wanted to point out that two of the retailers approved today are also tier one cultivators. And I think that's pretty cool that tier one cultivators are finding a direct path to market. And that's my comment. Thank you. Good point. Thanks, Dave. Hello, Board. How are you today? Fine, thanks. Good. I have a couple of comments. I'll try to go through them quick. Comment one, I'd like to see a flow chart of weekly sales of products built. I'd like to see a flow chart of male-owned businesses to female-owned businesses that buy pack to lesbian, gay, bi-transgender businesses. A flow chart of employees to men to women plus buy pack lesbian, gay, bi-transgender disabled and veterans. I'd like to see a list of all license information open data set with a final executive report for business and an enforcement inspection report with the recommendations to establishments. I'd like to also see, I don't see any guidance on your website for transporting cannabis from grower to cultivator to processor to manufacturer to wholesale to retail type and licenses. And what type of insurance these people would have to carry and what safety protocols do you guys want to implant and security measures or GPS monitoring on a vehicle type of registration and the type of vehicle registration for the CCB. I'd like to see a guidance for consumers about products and harms and safety, the guidance for parents. I want to know if you're building a social equity program for people that want to enter the market but are not guaranteed a license, a flow chart of all municipalities with bylaws and ordinances and enforcement action section from Kerry because he's the leading enforcement action person. And I also think that there should be a reporting form agent reporting form for COVID reporting warms because we're still in the day and age of COVID and people still get it and that should be noted that there's some type of form that they can submit to you guys that have the COVID report. I'd also like to see a know if you guys, if it's possible that you guys are certified through the Safe Vendor Training Program and you could post up your certifications that every staff member in the CCB has gone through Safe Vendor Training. And I'd also don't know if you guys didn't see it on the website, if manufacturers in state of Vermont have to go through Safe Serve vendor training and Safe Serve for manufacturing and working with edibles and that they get certified as well and all employees have to be certified. I worked in the department in the food service industry and I had to be certified to work with food through Safe Serve of Vermont. And I'd like to know if Brent is building a leadership team under her that will consist of people like a chief technology and innovation officer, a director of research officer, a chief financial accountants officer, a chief communications officer, a chief operating officer and a chief people officer which would be human resource because we're working in the data, data, human resources. And I also want to make one more statement. I don't see any guidance on IRS federal tax, 280E that deals with cannabis on the federal levels for taxations. And this is very important because with tax and regulation and with the SHIP Act, it may change. And I know that can happen, but 280E is a federal tax where every business has to pay a tax on the federal level, which is the state and local tax levels. And I didn't see that anything in your tax and regulation recently in the tax section when I looked it up. Those are my comments for today. Thank you for your time. Hope it'll always be a pleasure to help and assist you in any way. I'd love to come work for you if you'd hire me, I'd be really happy and we could do some things so they understand the short staff. Thank you. Yeah, thanks Keith. And I know we have some of that information you requested in your first comments, so please just submit those as a public records request. Yareem. Hey guys, how are you again? Thank you very much for what you're doing and continuing to push it through. I have just a comment about the rollout with the hemp products and it has to do with lab testing. Just wanna put it on your radar that when I was starting to open up our lab, we thought about doing hemp, although we learned that you had to report to the DEA when you're doing that. Just so when we get into the Q&A in the 2021, it's on your radar. Thank you very much. Thanks Yareem. Anyone else who joined by the link, please just raise your virtual hand and if you're on the phone and would like to make a public comment, you can hit star six to unmute your phone. Phone number ending in 5077 has unmuted. Hello, am I being heard by the board meeting today? Yes, we can hear you. Oh, thank you. My name is Bill and I'm certainly very amazed and impressed by the complexity of what you have managed and gotten through so far. Congratulations. I just wanted to bring to your attention an article that appeared in the bridge of this week, November 2nd through the 15th titled First Local Retail Pot Shops Open. And let me just read you what I am referring to. This is verbatim from the article. It says upon entering the store, a customer is required to present identification such as a driver's license. This is scanned and put into a database. The customer is then allowed to shop. I don't know, maybe the board is certainly probably aware of this, but if not, I just wanted to raise a couple of issues on it that might be addressed in some later meeting or a Q&A or possibly on the website. One, there was no, I've talked to several people who have walked in and had their ID scanned. There was no identification that PII was being sent to a database. It's also a question of why is it being collected? Who owns this data? What will it be used for? And is it a public record? So those are, I just wanted to bring that to your attention in case that is a concern of some people that their PII is being loaded into a database without their knowledge. Thank you. Yeah, thanks, Bill. We'll get some information about that and talk about it at our next meeting. Okay, thank you. How do I D, do I star six to D mute? I think Nellie can actually do it for you if you're done, she can do it. Yeah. All right, yeah. Thanks, Nellie. That's it, bye. Anyone else for a public comment? All right, well, I'll close the public comment window and there's nothing else to add. I will adjourn the meeting. No. Good, all right. Thanks everyone for joining.