 Great to have you back here on the breakfast and plus TV Africa We're moving straight into the major news stories making headlines this morning and Jideh Johnson chief lecturer at the Nigerian Institute of Journalism is joining us. Good morning, Mr. Johnson All right, let's start with the punch news papers this morning and see what stories we can find over there The big one that you can see in your screen says governors beg federal government to postpone the 2.1 billion dollars support repayment CBN kicks NEC falls of Basaki says 60 billion are not printed to show up March allocation and We can also find on the punch financial institutions will fund 1.8 trillion our COVID-19 stimulus package says the federal government Nigeria fears arms influx over Idris Debbie's death and Presidency battles to save a pantomy reps plan debate But it'll be a miller song will do a deep and your orders extoll or do markings virtues and Also, Nigeria desperately needs investment to recover says NASG Jusson adamant a CJN backs judiciary workers strike and also my sob rejects UK asylum offer Says it's a ploy to stop Biafra We can also find on the Pontus morning stakeholders backs and it's moved to upgrade Yabba tech and Ilaro Polly to vacities I think those are the big the very relevant ones on the Pontus morning on the daily independence Chad crisis may worsen insecurity in Nigeria That's according to the federal government on the daily independence He goes on to say the federal government beefs up security around border areas says separatist agitations bleed in country and Bowery meets northern governors vows and into curating in region Still on the daily independence above the headline presidency backs pantomy accuses telecommunications of smear campaign Legos to generate ten billion dollars in aggregate investment by 2025 that's according to some wall God men kidnap 18 passengers in all your Heads been killed six in Benway Forex restriction Nigeria spent six point one billion dollars yearly on wheat importation Labor declares strike in Keduna over sack of four thousand workers Oh, and is it condemns arrest of Igbo youths by army Bajabia Mila so wallo at the banjo. I'm also will be mimico others. Oh, no, do mocking and a Fairfair leader here saying it to be difficult to replace Yinka would you make him Nigeria collapsing pray for it pray for politicians says Peter will be and just in here is telling the CJN We won't suspend strike. Those are the stories on the daily independence. All right, the Nigerian Tribune comes up next A child stealing I made eight hundred thousand Naira selling babies as a suspect sells off girlfriend's child for 300,000 Naira also strike continues until demands are met And that's from Jusson and the pass and insist the judiciary fund must be deducted directly from source by AGF and Also alleged linked to terrorist groups. Buhari's government stands behind pantomy And we can also see this morning Nigeria is bleeding. That's from the Defense Minister Lagos targets $10 billion investment in agriq in the next five years and the drama as Imported American cow breaks loose at Lagos Airport. Not sure how that's How that happens we can also find reps to probe alleged trade in human organs put at $1.2 billion annually All right, those are the ones on the Tribune this morning On the Guardian newspaper Southeast Famers score and caught borough's program low blames failure on later rival of impute and herdsmen attack and CBN not responsible for farmers failure says apex bank official Shared on edge for Debbie's burial as rebels threatened advance NAC disowns a basquey on 60 billion our currency printing crisis Why Jusson strike cannot be faulted by CJN? 60% of Nigerian Salak access to smartphones and digital devices Lagos envios five-year a Greek roadmap and Ohanezi alleges massive arrest of Igbo youths in the Southeast Those are the stories. We're looking at this morning on the top newspapers. Mr. Ginny Johnson. Thanks again for joining us All right, so there's there's so many top stories here on the front pages of the newspapers I think one of the biggest here is the one by the presidency the press release we saw signed by Gaba show saying We stand by pantomy despite all the pantomimos resigned pantomimos go hashtags I will sit on social media and all the evidence that you know have come to light in the past few days What are your thoughts on this? Mr. Johnson? I think they're impressed I'm foremost is does the presidency is the federal government in support of pantomy. I think if Government is giving a parking to the minister. I think such statement should be signed by the minister of information That's my thought on that if want to put the full weight of the government behind pantomy But if he's been signed by Gaba shield, it means it's still coming from the presidency and the presidency is just a component of the government So we see the presidency back want well The presidency in the presence they don't do is don't eat it. Yeah, don't they want to do diligence some like his apan to me True north be a minister in the Republic of Nigeria because his views his thoughts his actions in the past does not show some other aspect and believe in the corporate existence of Nigeria in the unity of Nigeria in the diversity of Nigeria soon Such a person shouldn't be Minister of the Federal Republic, but we are we are who we are and we are where we are We're government the way the presidency will be parking with our presidency but You shouldn't surprise anybody in the journey. So despite opposition to Continual and existence of The right man was EFCC chairman opposition from the National Assembly Refuse up for his confirmation the presidency stopped with him until there was a move within the presidency to prove my and that's how my group was was was was removed and we've seen a lot of first powers from the part of this particular administration trying to bring in People that have questionable character or questionable Actions in the past in the government remember the former attempt to reinstate the former This guy in charge. I remember is the leader this guy in charge of of pension from Bono state that them by the commentary state I don't know what bull does pantomy her over presidency over the president that this With the questionable character in the past and I was a few that does not believe in me In the in the corporate existence of the country like here That does not believe in the diversity of nature to see the minister as far as I'm concerned It's like we are running an animal kingdom We have had some animals I bought some animals are more equal and then the other it doesn't really matter whether it goes Wise actions words wise words statement Marched up with actions based on what he has said in threatening the corporate as citizens of Nigeria institutions or organs of government Nigeria and I think the most honorable to the president should have done is to have excused him and probably goes through period of the application just like they have did and Bukwaram Bukwaram repentant Bukwara and then we've got once religion is in for it seems as if this president will turn this Presidency this government will turn a kid loose to it even the speaker of the other read did not even allow for 80 bit on the matter We should have the discourse but you can say a sex protesters people are protesting You could get them arrested you could get them Get people protesting in a just for me a protest in a Expressing their fundamental Rights as provided for in the constitution, but someone that has an extremist view There's a view that is abhorrent a view that you don't we see the modern society is is been really over Communication communication structure our national communication structure The apparatus of communication system in Nigeria is It's believable Left and center cross ages are spoken against this This character. Well, let's wait and see how it goes But it shows how this presidency has taken public opinion because we public opinion She's public police, but the reverse is the case when it comes to express All right, let's also it's still talking of Insecurity issues as a story on the Pontus one. It says Nigeria fears arms influx after Idris Idris Deb is death We've had, you know similar conversation, you know with regards Libya where it was the Libyan the crisis was blamed for the influx of arms into Nigeria I'm not sure if we've been able to change The level of control we have of our arms influx in the last couple of years and now we're having a similar conversation After the death of Idris Debbie. What are your thoughts? well, we have Different types of firearms in Nigeria whether it is dead or not Is dead or not does not change anything. We have seen how arms have been seized by the custom I think it was a regular feature when The custom was early became the custom pose in 2015 and then comes the regular feature that we see the media that this catch of arms was seized when they got a papa a port with these ones was Intercepted on the road so government shouldn't give us any excuse with respect to with respect to the death of Idris Debbie That it really to arm influx into Nigeria Whatever arms long-creation to eat firearms They are in this country where you kidnapped us get firearms from where to Don't forget we spoke about this thing last where we said that Instead go no, but 100 in in the state. I'm ready to found 1847 if you want to have done a k-47 what do they want to use it for so if they're just providing an excuse to rescue themselves from their ineptive From go from failure of government to do what is supposed to be we said our border is closed So why should we be worried if the customs if the emigrations and all other GSS another agencies of government to do what they are supposed to do We shouldn't be worried whether something up on in charge And we have a consequence effect on Nigeria in charge already. There's there's an insurgency There's there's a rebel trying to take over government But the insurgency that we have in ideas not insurgents what we have in idea is terrorism because you have people killing Killing and miming Nigeria's and proponents of such we call them repented They are they repented we rehabilitate them and they go back to become stronger Cabinet intelligence and cost him on our own or so. Okay, Mr. Johnson Still talking about security We heard when the news broke just yesterday That the United Kingdom has granted asylum to members of I pop a massive and how the federal government Reacted to this saying this was an insult to the Nigerian government, you know, and the UK, you know Responding to that saying they granted the asylum based on you know, the investigations that you know These agitators had been persecuted by the government But a response now, you know has come to light by Massop They say they reject the asylum offer by the UK send the UK actually persecuted You know, you know, the people of Biafra when they were agitating back in 1967 and that they're plotting with the Nigerian government To stop the agitations of Biafra that what they want is a referendum on Biafra and not asylum What's your take on that? Well, I'm Even the 60s the British government it will be out of place for the British government Haven't brought Nigeria together as the unit in 1914 With the amalgamation of the Northern and Southern post accurate before what we call the country Nigeria and giving us independence in 1966 for them less than 10 years to support the prickly way of that of that nation So you can understand the perspective of the British in 1967 to 1970 However, this is 2021 and if the British government is offering an only grant to the Biafran think it that there's a need for those that are agitated for safe Safe self-determination that you you provide protection for them I think the Biafran agitators hip-hop and Massops you have you think and don't don't forget that even Some of some commentators Nigerians have said that the critters we stick that ever up into this country was in 1914 amalgamation bringing Parts of the country that have the similar attributes bringing them together to form to form a nation called call Nigerian I was some of us about with his father The creation of Nigerians when I did as in public discretion was any referendum to say that okay This perpetuity not a protector and this other product would you people like to be one? We have never had a referendum to say that okay We want to continue as a nation and the More we run away from it the more we are playing your street There's a need for us to have a referendum to say that we still want to continue as a nation Do we still want To operate the system of government that we are pretty we still operate the kind of system of Government that we are pretty so there's a need for us to do that as in nation Nigeria is a contraction the contract them that is Created by an executive be cleared by the colonial government and that has been maintained by decree We have not sat down to come up with our own constitution because every constitution that we have seen Were a product of decree whether the 1960 position which came up from the burden and London conference of 1957 and the burden of London governments of 1987 and that one in the battle in 1959 or the various cause young have used since that time to date 1979 constitution in 1992 and then in nineteen like that They were a product of decree was a product of me and if the foundation is destroyed There's nothing the righteous can do you can you cannot build on anything you cannot be on anything So they didn't need for us as a nation to have a referendum Do we still want to continue as a nation because what is Nigeria was a product of the imagination of somebody? And it was a contraption that was created and if we begin to if we still continue on that platform We are living on that illusion. We have security challenge. We have economic challenge. What is the exchange rate of a dollar? to Inira in 1984 Muhammad Gwari general Muhammad Bari was the president of Nigeria in 1984 You don't need visa to travel to anywhere in the world. You don't need visa You don't need visa to travel to most part of the world Nigerians were checking out of this country government came up with a camp public campaign and group Please don't check up to stop Nigeria from leaving in groups. But this is This is 2021 present Muhammad Bari is the president of Nigeria fast forward to 2021 You need visa to travel to most countries in the world now Nigerians are checking out in drugs All you need to do is to go to Ghana take a an executive was going to Ghana 70 to 80 percent of those people in those bus are people working in a medical industry We are going to Ghana to take an exam because they want to migrate to other to to other countries Which way for Nigeria? I said something on the on the program doing the course of the way Let's look at the second stanza of a national anti was in a national team. We don't have a dream We don't have a focus. What's the hope for an average Nigeria? What's you for an average Nigerian youth in this all called on creation? Direct and noble cause was the noble cause of this nation guide our leaders, right? Because they will always be taking Long decision the decision by the president is the right decision for Nigeria or is it a step in right? Is the interest of pandemic, for example, greater than the interest of the whole of Nigeria Is it greater june johnson and that's and that's the challenge Yeah, I mean you're going to continue with the same line of fire. I just wanted to you know ask Um, uh, your thoughts on why does it seem like we are afraid of having this conversation that you just mentioned The conversation on the referendum the conversation on whether we truly want to remain together Does it seem like Nigeria as a country is scared of that conversation? Nigeria does not have democratic governance. What we have is superior You know, Mr. What we have Every aspect of our nation is stabilized and don't forget. We are unfortunate unfortunate in the sense that When we translated from military administration to civilian administration in 1999 We moved to get a former military head of state to become the president in the president of general lucey kumbasa and in 2015 When we have transition from one party to another party unfortunately for us again we Have a former military head of state in the president of general muhammad bari To be the best beneficiary of a transition from one party to another party in a democratic experiment from 1999 to 2015 So no matter how hard it rains in leopard. It's a leopard The rain cannot wash off the skin of the leopard. Look look at the characters of these people that have been mentioned of These were the people that have been fortunate to have ruled this nation Even in a democratic experiment for more than six years now Abbas enjoyed eight years and there's The the likelihood or not likelihood of values in eight years is is is is not it's out of the discussion Because he won his second term and so in our democratic experience in less than 24 years We are within 24 years. We'll have 16 years of it be added by a former military Head of state someone with the so tell me are we practicing democracy? Or we are practicing civillian. So there's a difference between the democracy and if it's in a democracy, there will be a local debate The speaker of the house of rep. We allow that debate the senate president will come up with With a statement that will stop panther me for us to be panther mice in the last one We have been panther mice and I think that would be a new a new word in our nomenclature That the word panther mice that you have a conversation Over the actions of somebody that should not be in public governance and a cp So the federal government is trying to panther mice us. We are strange. He has changed There was what he made in the past The someone should go to This is just give me a minute. All right. Someone is convicted of a crime in Nigeria Can it be elected into any office? Can it get employment? Can it be employed? Do it and you have someone that has made inflammatory statements people have not even made such statements They have been invited by ttss. All right, mr. Johnson. Um, someone else made statements, but Just like the panther mice situation. We're seeing the government, you know, dispelling it and saying that's not true And he never happened and we know it's a basket He had claimed that the governor of a do state had claimed that 60 billion era was printed to augment the march revenue and It's you know, generator controversy, you know in recent time, you know Basically had accused the federal government of financial recklessness saying why would they do that? But we had the minister of you know finance say that that it didn't happen But we had the cbn governor got in a method they say well the government could print money to lend to borrow But at the national executive council meeting yesterday on Thursday They laid that to rest saying that never happened and that wasn't true Your thoughts on that before a wrap-up of the press When you have this when you have conflicting Statement from the agencies of government issues with the direction and the coordination that exists within this administration Um, it seems that too many centers Um, and you have in teams falling apart and the center cannot cannot go Oh, you don't need rocket science to believe Would on would to believe in terms of this Um Pack and fought argument between the governor of a do state and the central bank governor And the federal government on the other the other all you need to do is to just get the price index of products All you need to do is to go to the market. How much could 1000 naira Buy for you What could 1000 naira buy for you the month ago and what could he buy for you now What could he buy for you in february? What could he I bought for you in in in March. These are the things and this is very clear We the inflation rate like we discussed last week was 18.1 percent Basic economics will tell you that inflation happens in an economy when there's too much money pursuing free Too much money pursuing free So if you have too much money in the economy, where is the money coming from? Did we make money from our foreign exchange and if we make more money from the sense of good oil? Because we are monoproduct economy Or are we printing money to show up the shortfalls? We are we are making from our foreign exchange and so it's very very clear You don't need you don't need rocket science to understand that far and in order to do that You see the red line punch Governors beg FG to postpone 2.1 billion support equipment Why why the government wants to collect that particular money and see when they're saying no you have to collect that money back And so probably to use it to substitute What the governor reduced it as said and I think our governor should come out and I'd ask support What Obama said he's saying or Be against what Obama said he's saying but in a situation where you see All the governors always run through a budget at the end of the month for them to do federal allocation All the governors when they have issues like the 19 state governors want to meet the president yesterday in abuja That about security issue. You should know that we have probably our head needs to be examined Why should the 19 governors go to meet the president in abuja? Or should it be the president isn't the president of abuja the president of federal government? And we need we need to have been the one that should have gone That should have taught all the state to see the situation of things in the state where we had issues That fire in abuja in in legal state The governor of legal state ran to abuja took the pictures to the president when there was ensign's protest in legal The governor of legal state went to abuja to meet the president now the security issue in we saw the picture You see the picture in the notion is paper. We saw the governor of carlos state Thank you very much. I did it johnson to meet the president can start a person Question or confront the decision or engage in constructive agreement with the president The governors are elected to represent their state. They are chief executive officer of the state Same thank you very much. Well, we need to wrap it up here So if you have such a situation you see the kind of nation you are running. Yeah, we need to wrap up here. Thank you so much Um, I think everyone is um, you know feeling about the same way that you feel this morning The pleasure to be is it we must have that conversation. Yes, we do Indeed indeed. Mr. Johnson. Thank you very much. Have a great weekend. All right. Um, We're gonna take a short break when we come back. Uh, we'll be sharing with you what happened today in history Many years ago. Stay with us here on the breakfast