 Really happy to be with Mira again. I have interviewed her before just a few months ago Actually, you can watch that on my channel as well Mira is a member of my ABC client group and also a helper in the group. So someone who is being supportive of others as well and Mira, I just love to talk with you and every time we do I feel like I learned something and I think those who are watching will We'll get some inspiration for their entrepreneurial journey and we'll learn something about it We only have a short time as always But there's so much we can talk about If it's okay, I want to start with the thing we were we were just So before we started recording, which is I was remarking about how you know, yeah, like I just noticed Mira you're able to accomplish so much in your business and not surprisingly the results show for it and I was we were remarking about how There is something about how we are probably We do more as solopreneurs than most solopreneurs do and You can reflect on why you think that is I want to hear it my my noticing is that It's not that people aren't like somehow we're smarter definitely like I I feel Whenever I work with my clients, I mean and students in my courses. I regularly feel that They're smarter than me like like I'll say I'll do exercise like all right everyone. Let's take, you know It's five minutes now to like write something. Please chat it in there and I'm like trying to do the exercise along But you're seriously scrolling notes from what they're saying No, I'm just like writing it I'm like I can write like three sentences and then I watched them like Paragraphs, I'm like, how are you able to write all that in five minutes? So I really do feel like my students are all smarter than me and yet You and I have been able to accomplish a lot more than most people You know in our own fields and I think it's because while we we sure we work hard, but lots of people work hard We work long hours, but lots of people do as well. We take we take big breaks, but we are also able to Bring our focus in maybe a bit more better than others But I I'll stop there and there's two things I want you to say first of all For the audience who don't know you yet Maybe you can just tell us a little bit about what you do, you know Give your give us your intro and then go into why do you think you? Why are you able to accomplish or do more than many of the people that you've you know that that you know Well, they're kind of linked so I'm mirror. Hi everyone that hasn't met me in george's audience and thank you george It's a delight to be with you as always and chat and I was enjoying just watching you starting to philosophize into that question And Um, I am a resilience and embodiment coach. So I teach people how to understand So here's the difference in what I don't teach because those words get thrown a lot around a lot But I teach people how to understand cognitively the workings of their nervous system how to feel it Feel what energy and nervous system energy feels like and how to by linking those two things together How to have conscious influence over it when we can do that We start ending the cycles of what people term, which I don't love this term Self sabotage, but we start ending the cycles of like I thought I knew better why I kind of get through that thing that pattern that And we get to have in answer to your question, which we'll get to we get to have more energy More momentum more resilience in our day-to-day life work relationships, etc So that's what I teach people how to do and And that is what I practice. So there's a few things I gave you the deep spiritual answer to, you know, why I think Before we started recording. I don't know if you want to share that So there's there's sort of two levels to it. I think one like In recent years because I would put myself in that category previously I had a lot of energy. Sure, but I didn't I didn't accomplish things in the same way that I now can And the way that I now can is because of what I just explained to you what I teach what I practice that you've seen, you know I won't go into it because we went into it our last thing, but the whole Launch a business and lose all your social media which happened to me at the beginning You know, it was my moment right at the start to put into practice these teachings the resilience teachings and that has been That has just continued on so that's that capacity to Be with instead of falling down in an emotional heap, which I joke Entrepreneurship if you're talking about your clients and the people we come into contact with It's a lot of entrepreneurs and I joke, but this is the phd program in uncertainty You know, it is the absolute you want to just be face-to-face with the raw truth that nothing is predictable and nothing is certain Run a business. You'll just get that visceral experience every day Working with the nervous system working with resilience means learning to Influence the systems in the body that respond to uncertainty with fear That's what we're programmed to do on a biological level. That's one part. That's the kind of day-to-day part and then the other part because we were talking about how You know, and with great compassion, it's really hard. It sucks coming from a trauma background It sucks being stuck in these patterns and not feeling like you can get any momentum and not understanding why And if you don't come across the right teachers You can be stuck there for a long time. You can think it's your fault. There's a you know, I have clients. We have these conversations and But when you do find the right teachings and the right way out My experience that I said to you earlier off camera off off recording was that Again having a trauma background Brings you face-to-face with the very visceral truth of the shortness of life the uncertainty of life and of Dying so for me that's been it. I have been aware of of suffering It's very Buddhist but from a very young age which taught me How precious it all is so I literally feel it's a bit of a gross image But I just want to suck everything out of life I just want to suck the juice out because I know it could be gone like that That's that's how that's how I'm energized And then the way I manage that energy on a day-to-day basis in terms of having a trauma background or emotional dysregulation Is through the practices of self regulation I love that. Wow. It's so true and yet hard to remember The preciousness It's like it is a spiritual practice and one that You know, it would be good to do on a regular basis. Perhaps every day sometimes even multiple times a day Yeah, I You know, I I one of the things I you know, you might know I love listening to like near-death experience stories and dees and yeah, that reminds me regularly. Oh my gosh This is so short. This this life and no, so thank you for kind of giving us the metaphysical energy Which is we are here for a short time. Let's make the most of it May that give us the inspiration and then also Well, what do we do to bounce back because the energy is taken away immediately when You know, you you post your your heart and soul on social media and nobody nobody likes it Or you you you create this offer this program the service that you are so passionate to help people with and nobody buys And so you are helping People like that and many other types even non entrepreneurial types You're helping them bounce back to be resilient and to continue having the energy to keep going So maybe maybe talk about that a bit because well, you started you start saying masterclass and uncertainty Tell us about resilience and how you how you bounce back a bit Well, I think there's a really Key piece here, which I don't know how often you still talk about money george because I know it's a sort of conscious money stuff is a Important topic for you and I think it's an important People can get caught up in the glamour of entrepreneurship and and sort of forget to talk about the nuts and bolts of what does that really mean? You know on a day-to-day practical level and I think part of the uncertainty This really hard is the financial one because in our current capitalist culture. That's resources. That's survival So if you're dealing with uncertainty on that level on a day-to-day basis, it's pretty deeply difficult right difficult in the nervous system so part of what also It's about balance. So part of the resilience is constantly checking What level of stress is coming in and what level of resourcing do I have to meet that level of stress? and those both those things will go up and down so one of the simple practical resourcing things is to potentially Have a stable part-time job or have some savings or learn to manage your money well So you're not having to regulate through the fear of survival at that level So that's a resource that you can give yourself that can then allow the other stresses that like the example that you just gave Okay, I've launched something beautiful and no one's bought it. I can still pay my rent next month You know, so you can start to detach those two experiences from each other That will give a little bit more entrepreneurial resilience Then the emotional stuff that comes up I'm not in total true survival fear because I can pay my rent But I'm in attachment Distress because I've been majorly rejected by my community or that's my perception if there are no likes and ticks How do I regulate through something like that? Then there are the practices, right? So we return for me I always work on a physiological level. So it's literally not trying to tell myself How I should feel but giving my body a felt sense of safety and security So there are lots of physiological tools sample stuff hugging yourself you know Stroking the stroking your body in a particular way movement Breath sound and everyone has their different sets that work better for them stretching I know you love your energy reboot. So there are certain things we can do that Allow the body to return to safety and that can often be enough Because once we are re-regulated Our perceptions will change on their own the way that we See the situation we have access once again to our logical brain to our rational brain to our prefrontal cortex And we can then begin to go have the thoughts that people might have told us 20 minutes before that we couldn't hear like it's not that bad, you know, it's okay But how can we do something useful with this blah blah blah? We can then begin to think like that at that point Brilliant this yeah, it's so true. I mean, but both of what you said about You know making sure you're not in physical danger first of all It's hard to be spiritual practice of regulation when you place yourself in a financially perilous situation It's um, yeah, of course, that's like Thing number one and and and to require that of your fledgling business is For most of Most of us requiring too much To be unrealistic, right? But but then it's like once you once you're not in physical danger and survival anymore Then yes, it is so much about the attachment stellar the emotional You know, maybe social trauma or whatever may be familial Anyway, so thank you. Thank you for for kind of giving us that that really useful framework Um, and now I you know, I want to I want to move into this other thing that we were talking about before we started Which was and this is related. It's like Once things are at a bit of a stable footing Which you know, you're you're experiencing now in your business Yes, there is the common Assumption that you have to get more you have to get bigger you have to scale you're not doing enough So tell us about that Especially because right now you are you know getting an advanced degree you're in school and There is kind of like these lulls of like right now you're you know, you don't have like full-on school classes and whatever But that's going to start again soon. It's afternoon in a few hours. Yeah Okay So so tell us about that like once you're a bit of stable footing. How do you how do you see what's next? Yeah, we were talking about that because um It's an interesting thing the flip side, I guess perhaps I'm just going to jam with your question of the the personality type that maybe is drawn to Entrepreneurship and willing to take a step into the phd program of uncertainty maybe has a Bit of a How would I describe that in uh coherent ways, but you know, maybe likes excitement likes a little fantasy Yeah Likes a little bit of risk likes likes the changeability right there's the flip side of uncertainties fear and Uh overwhelm but it's also a bit of excitement. Yeah when else also, you know loves the autonomy Yes, which comes with risk because now you are your own boss. You know what no no boss can take care of you No company's taking care of you. You gotta take care of yourself. Yes. Yes 100 So, I mean it comes from my personal experience right now And I don't have the full answer because it's sort of something I'm working through and contemplating Because I've been to some degree Forced into the situation by my circumstances and going. Okay. What's the lesson here? So, you know in the early days, I didn't when you and I first met and have a business was just starting I was just growing just building and now I have one that's self-supporting and sustaining. I can live off what I earn you know, it's very exciting and um And it's just ticking along like that, you know, it's like I've got my 15 clients a week. I've got my occasional guest workshops that I do and It's Sort of sustaining. I'm still doing things to keep it sustaining I still maintain my networks and I still do content and everything But it's not that oh, I got to work and what's going to happen and what's that next thing and And now because I'm because of that time pressure demand from university the idea of Trying to sustain the business where it is keep Showing up for all the clients. I already have Keep going what I have going Do uni and then try and grow something new on the side, you know, the next direction just feels like it's this energy load Too much for where I'm at right now So for me personally, it's come through. I think I think maybe If we go cosmic and the lesson here is just to Stabilize right just to hang out here and be okay with what I have and not Full pray to that no something it has to be more. There has to be more. There has to be something more You're gonna play a bigger game Mira I hate that phrase but yes, go ahead please And yeah, I mean part of it You know you and I and if we're in the entrepreneurial or online coaching world There's a there's different pockets of culture that are around that we're influenced by it's also our western capitalist mentality of limitless growth and So, you know, I was sharing that I remember reading through your website and your kind of own journey and insights around coming from a place like Coming from a place of enoughness and then remembering that the business becomes an expression of enoughness Not a Desire to get our needs met, you know to the same degree. Obviously there are needs Our security and our financial security, but not that desperate not not the egoic needs of I'm crushing it and I'm so successful and bigger better level up stuff so For me right now and I and I I noticed that that's in me, you know that I have that desire to want to look You know get admired for the next thing that I'm doing in my business and growing and you know, that is there and so learning to Be okay with enough And really be celebrating and I think I would probably recommend it, you know in a couple of years and you and I are talking again I'm probably gonna say give yourself a year or two of like Not changing anything unless you obviously need to but if you've just got something that's working Just feel what it's like to just sit in something that's working And feel that enoughness, you know, can I yeah Play instead of play a bigger game Play a deeper game It's like what you're doing I mean you are essentially like You're you're serving your clients. You know, you'll be you know, you're fulfilling this this calling you have you are being of genuine healing and transformation to them And you're always learning right from that Like you're always like How can I how can I serve them? How can I continue serving them? Well, and like you're you're creating a rhythm within your own life that is like a strong foundation for whatever does come next But you're still right about how in the entrepreneurial culture. It is assumed Uh that you just keep on scaling like 10x Work on your 10x. What's your 10? Come on. It's like come on Play a deeper game, which you already are you you're already, you know modeling. I think um that that way of going about things so I I think your clients are lucky to have you your colleagues are lucky to have you and uh and thank you for for for sharing this time with us so uh for those who are interested in Working with you even though you sound like you have a pretty full load right now But for those interested in um possibly diving into your content and things, what do you what do you recommend? Yeah, the usual i'm a facebook instagram linked in person Can just search my name or I know you put the links in message me Um have a look at the videos that I make on my business page on my personal page On instagram and yeah, you can connect I know people sometimes go into a little bit of a deep dive on some of the videos and the content and that gives a bit of a sense of You know my work as well. I love what you said the deeper game and I is it okay if I just say one more thing george about that yeah Because it was making me think about this patch of time Um and like then the deeper game it gives you opportunity To really do the mastery of craft Peace, you know in your system and that's where my focus is now. It's like yeah I'm serving my clients that much better because that's where most of my attention is held for right now around Oh, I've got space. I don't need to keep trying to grow things and And I'm like doing massive amounts of reflective practice and and my reading is focused around Really creating excellence and when you've got excellence the the rest of it comes more naturally anyway and easily right your reputation builds things so anyway, I just wanted to add that in And yeah, that's that's absolutely that sorry go. Yeah, no, and by the way, you're in an advanced degree program Yes, yes By the way Several classes that you're taking You're creating, you know, paper writing papers and all that stuff. I mean Yeah, I'm I genuinely admire how you do you know create the The the rhythm of all this and and still show up, you know and and Energizing others. So thank you. Thank you for your work Well, I will put the links below Including the original interview So thank you so much Mira for what you do and how you do it Absolute pleasure. Thank you George. I'll be seeing you soon. Yes