 Yeah, so I Just wanted to know like So how many of us, you know, how many of you feel that you are already walking in the You know in the call that God has for you whether it's a evangelist or a teacher or a pastor or Anything, you know, this is the five-fold ministry that we are we looked at so so specifically. I'm just asking Do you feel that you are called to the five-fold ministry is anyone feeling that You know, you know for sure that this is what I'm called to do Anyone you can just okay Charles, okay, so you will pass to the church to you No Okay, I don't cost a church. I'm a teacher Your you teach okay, so so you teach in the local church that you're part of Yes Okay, and also Yeah No, I just want to know also do you travel to other like when there are invitations Do you travel and yes, I do I do also train Some the Sunday school teachers Tell them know how to handle the children's church. Okay, so is it primarily children's ministry that that you teach Yeah, my call my call is in the children's ministry. Oh, that's my teacher Yeah anyone else You know into the five-fold Mike Okay, okay, so so is anyone else feeling a stirring, you know in the sense, okay Let me okay Rupa quickly put put your hand down So you feel a stirring, you know That I'm not sure but this could be right So I just want to phrase it that way. You know, you just feel that okay Maybe I have a desire. I have a stirring, you know Can you put your hands up? I just wanted to see Rupa did you put your hand up? right Sir just to say that I'm in the five-fold ministry that Okay, so what exactly do you do I know that you teach children weekends and I Pastor a small fellowship small fellowship, okay, and I teach in a guy seminars Okay, it Integrity Christian integrity for leadership and I also help the student ministry UESI Yeah, yeah, you right? Okay. Yes, right. So so this is what you do full-time. Okay. They're wonderful to hear that Right Okay Anyone else any okay now I just wanted to ask, you know, like maybe it's evangelism. Maybe it's you know teaching You know, how many of you get a stirring to share the gospel with whomever you Meet and you know, you just story. I'm not I'm not saying that you actually do it But there is a you know, there is a stirring right every time you meet. Okay, Avni Okay rose right Okay Would you like to share a little bit rose you I'll just come back to what you put here So Avni would you like to share like just clarifying, you know, what is it? What is this stirring? Yeah, sure pastor, I've been taking the children's church for the last five six years and I've really enjoyed the ministry and The Lord has led me in teaching the children In my previous church as well as As well as also leading a small Bible study with The So this is how Lord has led me in past like wonderful, right? Yeah, yeah, I just read out your statement here in a dream. I was getting a book from a shelf entitled how to teach and preach Asking the Lord what he wants me to do for him right now serving as life group leader and leading worship so grinding maybe Wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you rose That's good Anyone else Okay, maybe I should just rephrase the question, you know, okay, Nisha, I have a desire towards counseling Okay, young teens in youngsters and I've used opportunities be gods were to counsel them wonderful, right? Okay That's good. I was Doing a youth Ministry, okay, after that God you dare I said me to Concealing courses Okay, I'm a MSc in Concealing Just a template at him last year I Am doing also the take care The mini media of ministry I'm sorry. What ministry media media. Okay, right? I Am good at them photography Mixing I learned media Is my choice I might own right or God is place me and Given me the vision like Now I can't do I You wanted to media Along with me in ministry the addition oldest addition duck addition Duncan to addition I Not my Thank you, Dinesh. Thank you so much. Wonderful. Yeah Anyone else What do you get stirred about? You know It could be to share the gospel. Okay, do you get a stirring that I need to take care of people, you know Anyone feels that way I want them to do well. I want to take care of them You know, you might see them in need, you know, different kinds of needs, but then there is this Stirring to take care, you know, you see people hurting you want them To be healed and you know thriving Anyone feel that way okay Prabhakar. Yes Yeah, Rupa, okay Okay, yeah, Sam to work among believers, especially your dollar sins to mentor and guide them to be world-changers So I feel deeply moved disturbed when I hear about young Christians getting into trouble wonderful. Yeah Yeah, I mean just keep that, you know sensitivity alive Yeah, that compassion alive Yeah Feel for the people who've lost loved ones counseling them and ministering to them. Okay, right You know this stirring, you know, we We may not really, you know Put a label and say pastoral, but but really you see that it's part of a pastoral call right to You know all those people who said, you know, I feel this compassion. I feel the stirring. I feel this You know, whenever you see hurting people or in difficulty and you want to help them It is you know, it could be in let's say It could be in a in a corporate setup right You could be working in a company. You could be you know Serving in government, but but there is this there is this stirring desire to To lead them from where they are to where they should be there is a stirring to help them You know that they can do better and you know, you just reach in and you do that You know, that's that's pastor, you know, that's part of a shepherding call right so and it need not be like a Full-time Capacity or it need not be as a five-fold even right, but you see that is a you know, that's a shepherd's heart and and and the thing is to Yeah, the thing is to just go and I just want to affirm that right first of all Then it to say that you may not really look at it as a shepherd's As one of those characteristics, but you see that a shepherd does that and that's really God's heart for people And so, you know, do you have that says it's wonderful? Continue to do what you're doing, right? And those of you who said you know like Charles and Ruka, you know You are already walking in the middle of it and in walking in it and in so many different avenues You're serving God, you know, just continue to be strong and may the Lord lead you, you know Into doing great and wonderful things for his glory, right? Others wouldn't raise your hands. I'm sure that you're you know you I Don't know what you guys are doing right now. Maybe you're listening and But definitely I'm sure, you know, there is stirring when you see Maybe maybe you want to share the gospel you want people to know the truth Maybe you want to help people and some of you I'm sure, you know, you have this desire to teach Right. These are things that you've learned and you maybe you want to show them how things work and for you it's You know, you you are not satisfied with You're not satisfied with knowing, you know, okay, this is how this is what this does or this is what this gadget does Okay, I use this gadget to Get this result, but you really want to know how does it work? And how how does this work? You want to get into the details of it, right? You want to get into the integrities of it and You know, anybody like that That you're always asking this questions, you know, how why where when Anyone okay rose anyone else You know, you You want to know how things work Anyone else okay say Okay, okay Yeah, Sri Kumar Anita Avni, yeah, so You know and also maybe you're not just satisfied, but you want to share it. Yeah, Chris Yeah, so you want to share it, you know, you want to share it? This is you know, what I learned this, you know This is what it is This is how we you know, this is how it works And and you have that compassion to show that to people to teach people This is how things work and and you do do that in the natural, you know, you know, what this is what the government is Offering this is a scheme. This is how it works and you get into the details of it and you want to help people with it Now you may not yeah, so you come out. Now you may not Sigma you have a question You put your hand up No, Buster. No, okay. Okay. So you may not look at it as You know, you have an inquiring mind, but you may not look at it as as a teaching call Right, you but the fact is that, you know, that's that's turning It's that is one way in which it manifests like you have an inquiring mind. You want to get to the Depths of it. I'm not saying that you were called to be a teacher But then, you know, the this is how it Manifests right there is there is this drawing in you there to to want to know more Right, you're not satisfied at the superficial level, but you want to get into the depths of it And you want to know and you're not satisfied with knowing just knowing you know, but you want to share it as well and you want to share it with people and You know, just continue to grow in that and continue to grow in that and Who knows right who knows that as you walk in it as you are faithful as you are helping people The Lord will this is how it works. The Lord opens avenues, right? The Lord Expands your sphere of influence and I'm sure you know, if we ask Rupa or if you ask Charles, right who are Doing that, you know, they will tell you that they started by working on this They had this desire. They they were just faithful to it, right? They they in wherever God plays them They they just helped people they pointed people to Christ they pointed people to scripture and the truth of scripture and God continued to, you know, increase their sphere of influence, right and And one day they started walking in the fullness of that call and the God used them in different ways, even as he Asked people, you know in Rupa's case equipping people in leadership and so on and and then Charles Gays both ministering to children and also equipping others who minister to children. So so you will see that, you know God increases the sphere of influence and also You know gives avenues to share so It starts this way. It starts with the desire start with the stirring But say yes to the Lord Say yes to Lord to the Lord and be faithful in In whatever he has committed to be faithful in walking in it So it's wonderful to hear all that's happening Right, okay Let's let's move on Yes, Chris Oh, yes, first I just wanted to understand For the EPC church Yeah, how do how would this sort of specifically focus on The apostolic apostolic and evangelization Ministry It's kind of You know a generalized approach or is it a very Focused kind of approach Just want to understand that So the the apostolic which And the and evangelism and So of course, there is more information on the apostolic other aspects of the apostolic when we do the course Apostolic ministry But the apostolic one is really a pioneering work. It's open opening up new territories I think we know that and so as a church intentionally So that is what always, you know has been the I've right from what I've seen right through the years that Some pioneering work in in youth ministry pioneering work in in media and pioneering work in like even in ministry of teaching to the leaders and so on like so So in in areas in places where it's it was not done and Also, like for example, we had these short-term Bible colleges I'm sure other ministries do it also, but like this was done in The tie up with a hospital in a certain place and then, you know, all the pastors all the You know pastors of that region where we realized that there was nothing actually done So things like that. So there is so there is the apostolic grace and anointing You know, which which you know manifests in these manners. So you see that happening You know, not not really being afraid of Doing because that's not how it's done, you know, that is that is one way I would say the apostolic when it comes to evangelism. Yeah, yeah, it's See the thing is one one way it happens is in terms of equipping people To do the work of evangelism equipping people to do the work of evangelism. So it happens in a manner in a manner like where people are taught Both when we have Sunday Ministry time or Sunday services in Sunday sermons and also the you know, what we have as a week in schools and so so Have those, you know on evangelism on ways to reach out and and and the prophetic and and that also and really encouraging Life groups to do that So that it's it's becomes part of our lifestyle and not an event It's just part of our life and not an event by itself so so these are Some ways we do it and also I think one of the thing is the Bible College has been really been a blessing where we're able to share the vision share What God, you know share? From the word to people different places where they can do the same Over there as well. So that has also been one avenue. So Yeah, so that's that's how it has been Yeah Have you done much? We have a peaches church. They are done much evangelize it. I read the position outside of India We used to have one in Peru There was one and of course Nepal Where else I Think the like this was early days where I used to serve as a volunteer So I'm just trying to recollect there was some work which was done before I came in Afghanistan There was a mission strip Sri Lanka Again Peru of course for some time there was actually a local church there and then the pastor family Moved from there to to the US. So That work did not really continue Yeah, so Nepal also we had a work Yeah, so these were some some countries that I can think of Nepal Sri Lanka Peru Afghanistan there was a mission's work. I think there's a couple of visits happened So I don't know the details of that, but I know that you know these were some ways or some of these nations We Did some kind of work And I think Sri Lanka it was actually during the time when there was a tsunami and So it it was some relief work. It was a I think it was more of an investigative work Towards bringing in the leaf there So, yeah, I'm sorry. I wasn't on staff then I wasn't so I don't have too much details of that, but um, yeah Yeah Yes, Prabhakar Pastor, how do we know this is stirring of a prophetic call? How do we know if there is a stirring for the Prophetic is it? Okay? Okay, so so we know that you know, the very study the prophetic we saw we see that You know, there is the prophesying believer, right? Yeah, like Like all believers definitely have the I know is kind of digressing a bit But yeah, all believers have the privilege and the opportunity to hear the voice of God and to you know to Obey and to do the things like to speak it out and to do it as God wanted to be done So all of us, you know are we have the privilege of doing that then we have, you know, as believers We There are certain, you know, we're placed in the body of Christ Those of us as believers and we have some membership gifts in the sense as a member of the body of Christ This is how I help another member or this is how I bring strength To another member even as I receive strength. So Consistently, I you know, I do that right? I Walk in that in the prophetic then of course the ministry Office of the ministry gift of the prophetic where it is my life's call and that is how I You know, I got wants me to function and it involves a prophetic mantle and of course a geographical Territory and so on the sphere of influence is quite past The scope of ministry is quite far or quite, you know, the God quite vast and maybe God is taking Person as a prophet to prophesy to nations prophesy prophesy or encourage Heads of state and you know heads of corporations and so on so So that that is something, you know, we see as a ministry office or minister gift of the prophet now in in simple terms, you know, the stirring is always to Hear the voice of God and God, we know that God speaks in different ways And as a prompting or as a you know as a quickening of the word and and so So you have this compulsion you meet with people and you're talking to them and And maybe you have this word for them. You just sense that God loves them so much, you know, it's as simple as that as general and vague as that, you know God loves them, but then you feel that in your heart, you know, and you want to tell them that or it could be a Specific word of knowledge, you know, there is a knowing that this person or you know It could be something visual that you see this could be something that you hear auditory or you something of you know You get a scripture verse we can that's a trial, you know for that person and And the best thing to do is to test it out, right test it out and initially we might make mistakes So we might be you know, kind of fearful, etc. But then to go test it out As long as it's you know, I'm not contradicting the word and so on just try it out. What would it know? That's it does this make sense, right? And so maybe there are dreams, you know, you get some dreams and you start jotting these down and And ask a lot not what is interpretation? What would you what is it? What is the meaning of this? It seems to be very symbolic, etc Or it could be a little dream, right? And you see that scenario playing out the next day or maybe a week from then then you know that yeah You know, God is communicating something so you make start making note of that and asking God, you know, spending time in prayer So these would be some ways by which, you know practically You feel you sense that God is calling you to function in the prophetic. Okay. Now, this is for all believers, right? Now this what I've shared is for all believers So any believer can start to do that because we are called to desire the spiritual gifts one of which is prophecy, right? So we do that and Well, God would just you know as you begin to function that maybe, you know God has that in store for you to be a prophet to be a spokesperson To function in the prophetic and he would say, okay, come I want you to do this So, yeah, so that's that's how it happens Does it help? Yeah, okay, okay Okay, so So evangelistic evangelist Teacher the the pastor Okay. Now, you know the the love of God Interconnex everything the love for people Intersex everything, you know, the love for the word of God intersex everything And love for you know more of God and hunger for more of God intersex everything, right? So it's these are common things which are there, but you know personally you might feel as like somebody some of you some of you shared When it comes to you know, people who are already born again, and now that's how primarily it works You know, that's how primarily God is using you, you know to minister to those who are in the body right and and that does not mean that you don't have a passion for you know reaching out but Primarily these are the opportunities and this is where you're seeing the most fruit You know, that's the stirring that you're having so well pursue that right pursue that and Yeah, so when it comes to So just identify this, you know, and I'm sure that all of you You know have these Have these opportunities have these stirrings and maybe sometimes you just shut it down saying okay You know, I've got too much things to do. I got work to do. I got stuff to do I got responsibilities. I can't you know, maybe maybe you just shut it down, right? But I just want to encourage us to you know to pursue right Despite it not being comfortable to pursue it and say okay God What is it that you want me to do and and I'd be faithful to that, right? so please don't look at ministry as as an event, you know as Something that happens on stage as something that Irrespective of what your environment is, you know, you could be doing things online You could be doing things offline you could be in you know, wherever, right? That is that is where ministry happens. It's it's so begin to look at it that way, you know I think a traditional Christianity is You know has that kind of a view where we say okay church and on stage and this is where Ministry there is a place there is a place for us to gather the other church of God and local church very important I think you know, you've been learning about that there is a place for that, but that is not all We need to understand that that that's where you probably spend two hours two and a half hours three hours of your week And the rest of the time is in community Maybe you know where you are with family You know and that is where ministry Happens and all these sturdings and all these desires that you know God puts in your heart or you have it, right? You want to do something? Well pursue that And and pursue that with God pray through that take it to God and say Lord I have this desire I want to do something, but I don't know I seem to be lacking faith or I seem to be You know not having the strength or I don't know somehow somehow I back off I all these regrets and everything come and And I'm just all these boys of unbelief that I'm not good enough for all that You know just work on that or get your identity in place saying, okay, this is who I am and you know pray Along the lines of what God is putting in your heart And you will see a great work develop, you know, you will see a great work develop and you see your life Being changed, you know, I I never dreamt that I'll be Pastoring or doing what I'm doing right now. It was it was just a desire. I felt the most I felt complete when I was doing that, you know, I was leading worship or you know sharing the word with someone and I felt, you know, really at home doing that and Well, but God had plans God had to weed out a lot of things in Before commissioning and God did it in in amazing supernatural ways, but I had to pursue that, you know continue doing that When I was, you know, when I was in sales when I was handling corporate sales for those years it was those are difficult years because you have, you know, only X amount of time and But you know, you continue to be faithful in the little things and then you see things opening up things falling off Right and and God preparing your heart for what he wants done and The most important thing is this, you know, for me it was coming out of the corporate environment and I'm sure that, you know, some of you like like Tharun is there in very much there in a corporate kind of environment and and I don't know who else maybe you're working, you know Maybe God wants you to do something there, right? And that can be really powerful And it can be, you know, teaching something on leadership like what Rupa is doing and teaching something on management And you're really bringing the heart and mind of God in in that, you know and which which is not there in any other in this dream, you know and but God has placed you there to be that voice of integrity and and, you know, that bringing in that ethics and so on so powerful and No full-time so-called full-time pastor evangelist has access to that, but you are there right there meeting people every day and And that's a wonderful opportunity. It's not the most easiest of places, right? In the sense It's you don't have a really and willing audience to sit and listen, you know Maybe it happens as a casual conversation. Maybe it happens, you know, during a time of Teaching, you know teaching people some skills and people get to encounter The heart and mind of God, you know through you, right and get to know, okay This is why this is the basis of this person's life, you know This is why this person lives life this way and and you are that that instrument Leading them to Christ leading them to encounter the power of God, right? Yeah, so Oh, I think we started somewhere and went somewhere else Okay, but but I just want to encourage us to continue on Okay, don't look at the five-fold as Well, God will call God will call some of us into that but don't Neglect these small stirring's promptings Okay Because walking in the fullness of the of the call It starts here, you know, it starts with Us being faithful to the promptings and the stirrings and the leadings and the guiding and the and the divine opportunities and and and what seems like Coincidence, you know, you're traveling with someone you're meeting with someone and you're You know, you're ministering to that person what seems like Like a coincidence or a casual conversation, you know, ministry happens there, you know, don't neglect that Okay, okay, let's let's continue with the with the notes We're on page 28 just to remind you we looked at point number four of the You know, keep practical keys to doing ministry over seeing the teaching and preaching of God's word Okay, the importance of that And not really, you know, leave it for another person and say, you know, not really involved in it But really had to have a plan to have a vision for that as well to say, okay as a Congregation as a church This is one. This is what we want to grow into Okay, to get that blueprint from God. I know this is where the congregation is Right, maybe you know where where you are people are people are all new believers Okay, it's the first generation which has come to know Christ. It's a you know, it's a wonderful opportunity. So they need to grow In the word they need to grow in In their spiritual disciplines and so on. So So you have a plan for that, right? So you have a vision for that say, okay this year As a congregation, we need to grow we need to grow in instilling Everyone in the word in worship in prayer so that they grow up to be strong ministers or strong leaders But the first of all, they need to be strong believers now, you know, they might have questions So we might have to do some You know something on that, you know, how to live as a practical Practical life as a believer What are some of those issues and and so on and also look at Why do we believe what we believe and and things like that like some of those? So you don't disconnect Just because you have people to look after that, you know, maybe it's not you preaching teaching every Sunday But maybe someone else but don't disconnect You know, you oversee that aspect you shepherd that aspect stew at that aspect. What is the church receiving what should be Ministered from the word the church, you know, you oversee that, right? Okay Then some other things is to be the steward responsible for the administration of the sacrament. So we're looking at The communion the Lord stable now You know, it is possible that you again, you may not be there every time to do it But then you be the steward responsible meaning that you assign Who should do it? It should not be something some random thing happening maybe, you know, someone who you pick and choose to be an elder or someone who is You know, who's Associated someone whatever, you know, but and if you're there you administer the sacraments lead people in In in that powerful declaration of the death burial and resurrection of Christ, right? So you minister people that way Okay, in all things try to maintain the unity of the spirit So by example through the way you live and you minister, you know, put an end to all division strife now in the sense Be very aggressive about About not allowing these things to To to grow and to fester Maybe so what are those things that cause, you know, like we see in one Corinthians we see You know people exalting lead other leaders and beyond their place of honor and Thereby forming divisions where people are saying I support I know I prefer this person I prefer that person and then there's division, right? Maybe there's Selfish ambition, maybe there's pride. Maybe there's gossip all creating strife and Division right so maintain the unity that is brought about by the Holy Spirit maintain the unity of the spirit and the bond of peace now that is something That we see as the ministry of the five-fold, right? Let's just turn to Ephesians 4 and verse 11 Ephesians 4 Okay Okay verse 12 from for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry now This is what the five-fold does for the edifying of the body of Christ Was that until we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God to a perfect man to the measure Of the stature of the fullness that we should be no longer Be children tossed to and fro carried about with every wind of doctrine by the trickery of men in the cunning craftiness of deceitful Plotting but speaking the truth in love may grow up in all things into him who is the head And from whom the whole body joined and knit together By what every joint supplies according to the effective sharing by which every part does it share causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love so you see You know till we come to the unity of faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God and And we see that the whole body is knit together joined together Growing together and there's a edifying building up of itself in love. Okay, so so as the five-fold To really take care of that of that the unity that is brought about by the Holy Spirit in the bond of peace right so as a as a pastor more as a pastor, you know, that is because No, they can get up the people giving spiritual leadership to the people interacting with people Raising up leaders and so on so by example and by precept, you know in principle preset and by example to ensure that there is the unity okay, and not seek to you know exalt oneself and not Bring in any kind of you know, if there's a dissonance if there's a disconnect between our Teaching and the life we lead Then obviously, you know, we are setting the wrong example. The message is not clear and all kinds of things come in right, we're opening the door for all kinds of things to come in and and You know for the enemy to really bring in confusion, right? So in all things try to do that. Okay Establish ministries that seek to ensure that every member and members cared for okay I think that we looked at So if there are no ministries Take care of a believer in a particular way You know to establish that To see if there are people who can actually move in those gifts and take care otherwise to It would be to refer, you know to others, you know till such time that there are people who are who can actually Move in and take care of people in that manner Raising up leaders is again An important role of the pastor raising up leaders raising up people in the congregation equipping them and And and also encouraging them in the growth to be leaders, right? So it is it's It's it starts by teaching and And ensuring that people Discover their call. Okay, it's it starts there, right? So So so we see that it's it's really not about just you know sharing something from the word and and You know, it's it's not about a message which is shared on Sunday. It's really about Grooming people and and presenting every person perfect in Christ the mature in Christ, you know and starts from Ministering and Allowing people to discover What they are called is? identify discover what they call us and And once people Discover that and they are placed in the body of Christ and then there's no stopping Really, you know, because they're on the path to grow to mature Yes, they will there will be challenges, etc. But then they're on that path, you know, they know, okay This is what God has called me. Oh, this is what this is the direction. What is pointing me, right? So to to raise up leaders to present every person perfect in Christ to mature people into leadership now You know, we see that when Paul in Galatians where when Paul visits the disciples right, this is Galatians chapter 2 says then after 14 years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas and also took Titus with me and he goes to meet In verse 2 he says, you know that I might I went up by revelation and communicated to them The gospel which I preach among the Gentiles But privately to those who were of reputation lest by any means I might run or have had run in vain Okay, so that was his objective is going to meet the disciples and then he's the verse 9 He refers to you know James Peter and John and he says, you know, when James Ciphers and John who seemed to be pillars Perceived the grace that had been given to me. They gave me and Barnabas The right hand of fellowship that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcise So he's saying, you know, they seem to be pillars Right in the in the church. They were pillars meaning they were Wearing they were taking those responsibilities and they seem to be pillars they were leaders who are carrying the weight of responsibility of the you know Or sharing the weight of respect and responsibility of the of the ministry, right? We also know that the church is referred to as the pillar and the ground of truth, right? And Paul Paul talks about that pillar and the ground of truth Referring to the church as you know the structure that holds truth now for that we need Pillars in the structure and leaders are pillars in in the in the house of God, right? So to raise up leaders People who can carry the Lord people who can minister to others people who can you know That is what we see that is the example scriptural example that we see as well They call had this team had this ministry team who will lead us who are with him Who saw him who are taught by him who traveled with them Ministered with him and we see them taking leadership positions like Timothy and Titus and so on, right? So raise up God's people into leadership. So in doing so we will actually be helping them fulfill God's vision for their lives right So and that is the most satisfying thing right to to help people discover God's call God's vision for them and to to enable them to do that now It could be in the house of God. It could be in the church where you are Or it could be elsewhere But either way it's fine right because but you are facilitating You are helping them ministering to them and helping them realize God's call for them Right God's vision for them and and that's the primary thing So it need not always be in the in the church where you are leading it could be elsewhere also And if it is so then that's fine, right? So it is it is the kingdom of God Okay So raising up leaders Quickly let's look at the other thing is to supervise the staff of the congregation So maybe the church is big. There are other Staff the church of the ministry is grown. There are other staff taking care of other functions Functions responsibilities in the ministry. Maybe there are deacons. Maybe there are you know full-time staff, right? and so the thing is to Make sure that the work That they do and the role and the way in the manner in which it is done is aligned to the vision Right vision of the ministry vision of the church now So it would help if that is communicated while hiring it would help if it is communicated while orienting the people, right? or You know you so and also in placing them in their responsibilities, so to have people To who steward that to to manage other all these functions For them to have clarity about, you know, this is the vision and therefore, you know the manner in which we do needs to align with that and not You know not go against that right like for example if let's say, you know This is the God-given vision and you're pursuing that and you have values like integrity and and so on and then You know in the accounting function Let's say accounts department who was part of that these are support staff and An important role and function that they carry out. So who was part of that? Also needs to understand the vision also needs to understand the culture and the values of the church and be aligned to that right and we totally aligned to that and otherwise there will be unnecessary chaos in the accounting function Whereas transparency or integrity is compromised then You know then it starts, you know, it's not the damn thing, you know that first of all Jesus is not glorified and It's against the goes against the vision of the ministry, right? okay, so we'll stop here and and look at the the next three and in next class and also Maybe you will look at the lives of some maybe just three people, you know like an evangelist and the teacher and a pastor and Look at their life and ministry and Yeah And and that'll be good. So once we finish that I'm just thinking maybe we should Yeah, let me just stop the recording here Sorry