 Welcome to the Toffy TV podcast episode 25, it is just my self-ped and Baz in today, we've been deserted on the guest front, so if anyone would like to come in and be a guest on the podcast, let us know, come in and be a guest on it, no problem at all, come and join us, we will be looking ahead to Everton's game against Manchester United on Sunday, we'll also, in the middle part of the show, be discussing what to do for the right back position amongst other things, but obviously we start with Sunday and a game that made you very very angry, very very, I've never seen you so angry, really, no I don't think I have, I don't think I've seen you as angry as you were on Sunday and Monday after the defeat at Arsenal. It was just straightening more than angry, it was just the way it played out, it was a game against a team at average, okay you're a well class centre forward but they're at an average side and we had enough chances to end that stupid run at that place, beat a team that is around us and competing for the European place with us and keep the momentum going, if we'd have lost a game 3-2 and David a better side, you know, your hand wouldn't go okay, we weren't good enough today but that wasn't really the case, the case was we give cheap goals away and missed great opportunities and when you're on a run, 24 years to end something and now listen, the reality and we discussed this on something else, it doesn't really matter because you take things season by season, it's the context of the season but it just gets that, takes that talking point away doesn't it? You know, you have money now for 24 years or 25 years or, you know when all that, so it was an opportunity missed, that was what annoyed me. Yeah, it is ridiculous, it's still ridiculous, it doesn't matter how good we've been or how bad we've been or whatever, it's ridiculous that Arsenal, Chelsea, Anfield, Old Trafford for a very long time and it's still only one more. One win in 1992, that we've got these runs adding into the fact that we've not won anything, it almost goes against logic or probability or, you know what I mean, it completely goes against it, there's always going to be that and we've said this loads of times and you see like results and you see like someone's gone there and won a game or whatever, you know what I mean, you think there's got to be some kind of probability that we can go to these places and get one win somewhere and we haven't, it's ridiculous and I know a lot of people have got angry about what Gary Neville said on the commentary about Everton just in general, about not going to win the game and not having enough to win the game in terms of maybe the mental side of the game but of course it's a big thing because you know, I know listen, like you've just said, records don't really mean anything as such but when you are hanging over your head, you know, at some point when Everton team has got to stand up and go to one of these places and just be prepared, I mean, I'm sure we have and I'm sure that's contributed to games, not winning at these places but at some points Everton have just got to roll up their sleeves and just say not today. Do you know what I mean? Like, it'll be 25 years the next time we play them, it can't go on and if you're going to do anything, I think it's a massive measure instead of what you are as a football club or a football team, if you can't mush it together, 11 players who have no fear, add that to a little bit of skill, then that's the major problem, I think that's what never was to happen and it's like, Everton are always like, you know, we always get so far and maybe we've all, in that time, been alright with that to a point but going forward this can't continue, you want to be a good club, you want to be a big club, you want to play in Europe. You know, I've watched Chelsea last night playing against Bayern Munich and that showed you where they are at the moment, getting battered by Bayern Munich, 3-0 at all, but then in the Champions League next year, that experience will do them well because they're a young set of players but at least they're getting that experience of being in there. We've said this before, we've looked back at European games like when we went to the Ukraine and things like that and we've done really well and then we played that one game, when we went to Florentino exactly the same, it's not being in Europe and not experiencing that and then taking it into those experiences into the next year with the same set of players with the same manager and it always seems like that's always our biggest downfall, it's not getting those experiences, getting them from them and going into it the next year and I don't know whether that's because of taking over the players or taking over the managers or whatever but this is something that for me now you've got to take from that game, so sort of in the same way that you take it from the Newcastle game where you don't let that happen again, I know it's a freak result but you don't put yourself in a situation where in the last minute you tune it up and you're still not doing the basics to just put the ball at the other end of the pitch or whatever so for me I'm open that, this is a game that everyone leans from and goes you know we're not letting that happen again and we're going to take that into the next one. Well you'd hope so, I mean I'm like you started you know that answer off or you know that section of them with the C teams going and get these results, I'll dance them into Chelsea and we'll tune them you know when they were driffle, knowledge comes to go to some bottom of the league and we were like we were good at home and beat us to tune them, it's like after these teams have those days where everything goes in and everything don't seem to be able to do it and I don't understand why, I don't understand whether the clubs were playing look at us as a big club so they still perform because we don't seem to catch anybody off the guard and that's mad, doing it regularly because you're not a good team so you don't beat them teams but not to do it in those places for so many years, it's just bizarre things don't run fair but Sunday was that opportunity. Well it's funny though I mean we were both at Leeds when we broke that and the thing about that day was that obviously was the runy effect on off the bench, it was the week after he'd scored the win against Arsenal's first Premier League goal and we had the team and it was just that little X factor of him coming off the bench and terrifying them and them not knowing really who he was and I just wonder whether it's that little thing of On that day I remember there was an expectation because you felt it, we had runy, it was like a new era, we were going to do new things and then almost that fed into that day, we kept it tight for 18 minutes then we brought them on it was like this is going to be the thing that finally finishes it off and it was and I just think I don't know whether as fans we have to have that little bit of almost like Day to day is hard day and then that maybe I don't know whether that goes on to the players if the players get that but I think there's too many times in these games and I think we showed that on Sunday where we started the game off but then we got a goal and then We just relax and we've done this previously, we relax and then within a split second not only is the game 1-1 but with 2-1 behind I asked them nothing to get it, they've not put us under severe pressure for a period or anything, we've took our foot off the gas and I think that is a thing that clubs when they want to win things or want to get into Europe, they don't let that happen, they don't allow the opposition to come back into the game or if they do they make sure that it's been done playing at the best where too many times we allow teams to just amble back into games and then get ahead and then you're looking for something then and we did that all through the game and then when it gets to 3-2 then we get our pressure and we can't force our pressure but we shouldn't have ever been in that situation No, we give 2 cheap goals, a brilliant cross by Saca for the first goal and it was a good ball by David Lewis for the second but we should have cut a gamble and cut it out but with 3-1 down and I suppose the positives side is we didn't crumble, we didn't lay down, we went back and got it back to 2-3 but then the second half you're out again and it's another cheap goal and the manager said that after a game you can't give 3 goals away and expect to win games, you just can't so unless you defend properly and make it difficult for teams how are you going to win these games scoring 2 goals away from home should get at least the point It seems like Liverpool are at the top of the table and even Leicester early in the early part of the season, if they went away and scored 2 they'd win the game or get a draw because they defend properly and we don't do that Perfect start from Calvallun and well we could make it 2-0 and it's it wide but we should have just been able to keep them at arm's length because if you're under the cosh ok the ball ends up in your net sometimes because it's wave after wave and you can't keep that out sometimes but it wasn't that like you said it was nothing it was a ball down the side across 1-1 and you were like they've done nothing to get back in the game and then it's even worse 4 minutes later it's 2-1 and they still haven't done nothing and all they've done is pass it in front of us which was the best Arsenal team did and then they decided they cut through you didn't they didn't do that at any time in the game and that was what annoyed me if it had been an Arsenal team of old and you get beat 3-2 and you go well you know what we've had double the shots they had you know the possession was pretty similar the passion was similar you know we've had a good goal there next year but it was just like these aren't very good and we still haven't been able to take advantage of it and that was where my frustration lay and given the chance you know Dom for me on another day scores 2 of those 3 chances he had near the end and that was just that was frustrating as well because he's done brilliantly this season and he's flying doing really well I've got to take them chances you see you know the top strikers take them when they come along and you go yeah they won and he got 2 because you got you know I'm times of Liverpool they won for the 13th time this season by a single goal the other night against Westam and you knew a 2-1 to go their goal and that did he get the right to keep it at them it's about being clinical isn't it but listen it is what it is and the good thing about what we do is you come in and talk to death and then you get over it and you know I'm over it now and I'm looking forward to Sunday I suppose I mean that is the frustration now they haven't they haven't they haven't done enough for me Arsenal to win that game keep us all out of safe to me because we have to catch the day that was it money nearly gifted them but yeah but that's the thing isn't it again that comes down to mentality for me that comes there that that that is though that's two that's like one of two things that's at 1-0 you are there you are the press forward and try and get your second or you make sure that your shape is good enough that they aren't getting through and you're going to hit them on the break and we didn't in that period we just don't know whether we were loaded into a false sense of security but we didn't do those things and that's what makes it annoying as well is that players for me that's players switching off that's senior players switching off that's players not doing the job not going out and pressing Grand Jacket not going out and pressing David Louise and I did see something about you know some stat about how there is there's something there's a stat for everything but it's a particular stat of when teams press how far they allow the opposition up the pitch before the before they engage and I know that it's improved massively under Anciolotti but I would like to have seen it obviously for the first and second goal I think that was a major thing of how we didn't get out to get out to people you know the point being is that it's that mobility do you think I think it is I think it's having someone in mid what it is it for me it's having someone in midfield who goes and presses and then someone else goes with them and then you're stopping them from playing aren't you whereas we don't have that we see we see this and we said this a lot armoured fielders pretty much are the kind of midfielders that back off because they know that they can't keep up with other midfielders so if they go and engage and you know they get through the press then they're going to be running at the back four it's what we've seen like when we got beaten less than a way that kind of thing where we did try and engage they got past the press and then they're running at the back four and the back four are backing off and backing off and I think in both of those cases for those two goals for me if someone goes and presses exactly doesn't get a pass down the line and the one is the second goal if someone goes right into David Louise there he's not going to put that pass in is he's just not going to happen and I think that's something that when you've got a midfield like we had with Ghana you'll see that and he'll go because he's thinking to himself well you're not getting away from me you're not going to run past me and I'm going to force you without farling you to God you're the way and then I've done me job and it's like one of those things that when people do it you don't necessarily notice it has been but when when it when it goes like that when you do notice it we seem to see a very critical early on last season I think it was when when Brighton scored against us when they took a short call on it and Theo woke up went but so to stop and again it's that thing of stopping the cross as well stop the cross by fully engaging the player get out to him and make sure that you can't go anyway and then what does he do he'll have to pass backwards and then you've got a chance to take them then and I just thought on Sunday we were guilty that and it shows that we do need a mobile centre midfielder to get in there because the balance of that midfield was was was very very poor the midfield the midfield was was shocking really on Sunday I mean that you know I'm a I like Alex of Obie and all we split the opinion but I don't think he played well at all on Sunday I don't think he offered us anything really not saying he didn't try but he just didn't he wasn't in the game he had two attempts of golf but he didn't hit the target but he did and then he offered nothing and he was right that we took him off but he's always better either centrally or off the left but he's a ball carrier that's that's one of the things when when we were signing him in the summer and you know Andy the PIV was was telling about him and he was talking about how much he carries the ball everything were obviously in the market for someone who carries the ball to get you up the pitch and he had really good numbers last season but what a fan would recently is since he was since he come back from injury because don't forget that was only his second second start and that and what for this he's been when he gets on the ball I see anything that's what for the he got the ball and kept the ball and just moved it on and never really took it on anyway and on Sunday he got it in areas where actually he was like he was like the final ball out onto the right so he never really got a chance to carry it so it wasn't really wasn't really but that's why that's why I've had them on the other side because I think he is like Bernard where is that when they come in field and the pitch opens up either side they can play those passes because the body shape shows you when you're coming in off the right think about your body shape no no but the tactics Sunday were for the wide two wide players not be wide to tuck in and force out on the outside I mean this go from two crosses away he still could have done that if he'd have had Sigarton on the right and a Woby on the left Sigarton will do no it would clearly wasn't looking for that though wasn't it no no but what I'm saying to you is he still could have been narrow yeah but you're going to get more in field on the left hand side from a Woby than what you are from Sigarton Sigarton will mirror what he does on the left on the right so he'll do which is very little let's be honest but yeah I mean listen we've praised Anselotti he's a well-class manager and him and Ferguson and David Anselotti done really well since they come in and let's remember it was only a second defeat under women you know city and Arsenal away you might go well I like two tough games Arsenal you know it wasn't but that's what you could that's how you can dress your up and it's a learning curve and for me he got the balance wrong at the weekend just because those players we've seen it so many times but I remember you saying on the live I think it was the other day what are his options though he's looking around that team he hasn't really got many options you know and if our defenders defend properly we might have won the game and we might go you know what he's made a great decision there because he's done this and this and this well the biggest decision he had before the game was obviously whether he started on to go on my zone and decided not to probably didn't feel he was quite ready and obviously made it's a goal man it doesn't feel quite up to it and he probably thought that actually though bringing him on against a tired Arsenal team that had played in Europe and obviously played the following week before but probably the best thing for him and he came on and I thought you know straight away cemented his place back in Everton starting 11 was very confident on the ball protected the ball really well used it really well played some great balls into our forwards when he came on he dictated the game very once he got settled into it and that's that for me now leaves one option in sentiment field because he'll go to the rest pretty much at the end of the season as long as he doesn't have any niggles or anything due to coming back and hopefully that is that elixir thing that we have been missing that little bit of not only creativity but I look at him and I think he's a player that other players are confident given the ball to and he could go back to the centre backs take it off and turn and get us up the pitch you know because we do like playing out from the back I know sometimes it's very very neary but that's because you know we've seen one in the game where Sigarton gets it and I know he was crowded out it was a bad ball but I think goings is a kind of player who believes in his own ability to not only get away from players but he's a big lad if the if the if the eight on me he'll probably be a foul so I just think that'll add another dimension to our game going forward yeah he come on he was head and shoulders above everyone and I include Darsons midfield on that you know he dictated the play run the game when he come on I thought obviously anti lot he made a couple of little changes at halftime because Sacher wasn't in the game the second half we cut off their whole supply just by making a couple of little changes and then he put Bernadon on the right and put Bernadon very well created two big opportunities for us which we didn't take and Gomez was different class taking the ball passing it right and left keep it ticking over like you said strong receives it can go by players complete attended three dribbles I think completed one which is good for you coming back into the Premier League I mean let's be honest there was you know less than four months since the horrific injury and he's playing again so it was great to see him back and like you say with barren any kind of setback minus setback whatever he should be in every week now and we the beauty is we play once a week now till the end of the season so and we've got a break again a couple of weeks have me because an international so we can really make sure he recuperates well after games and keep building them up and hopefully the other thing we'll see fingers crossed this now is go by man back so to mid April for the last three or four games and if we can get him back in the squad and maybe doing something like we saw Gomez last half an hour in games it'll give him the chance to get accustomed to the Premier League ahead of the preseason for him and then hopefully next season we'll have a player that like a new sign well hopefully it should be really it should only it should be about four weeks I think it was eight weeks wasn't it the opp but I mean I'm not really no no I just mean I'm just thinking we nice to get him up to speed with the Premier League and before you know and then you think about next season and which is what we're all thinking about anyway really so I just think if he could get himself in a position where he can play and work with Anciolotti every day it'll give Anciolotti a better idea if this kid can't do it and then it'll give him the opportunity to bed himself in maybe feel part of the team then again and then it gives him go away on all the get back and then work hard and get yourself perfect ready for this I do think it's it I do think what Anciolotti said and obviously what he's done by putting them in the side to say to me shows that he understands there's like there's a gulf between him and the other new fielder say no what I mean though it's not like it's great to see him and go on you're clearly better and I know how I want to use you If those other players were good goal mates wouldn't be anywhere near that No that's what I'm saying and it's going to be really interesting maybe something else about in the final part of the show who's going to be the player who compliments them playing in there but we'll leave that for now Yeah so disappointing defeat obviously with Charleston Dominic Cavillian getting another couple of goals and they're our big threat When you watch him even when he's not in the game he's a threat and that's when you know you've got a top player because he frightens them, he works hard, he's a stupid sackle and got himself booked but other than that And then what was good about that was he never really got involved again which was a bit mad because it was mad anyway but I think he'd seen the challenge going on Calvert Loon as well as me and thought I won a little bit of this And the very together that's the good thing what I've noticed now the starting to be have you seen the thing? Have you seen the celebration again when Calvert Loon is doing the moe? No I haven't even watched it Just watched it just for the Charleston But Charleston put a video on his own Instagram so they're showing him doing that The challenge? I know with like a dingy Absolutely No but watch the celebration cos it does some No that's a massively important thing the players all look together and it is what I would say is that when you look at the side it is the younger players it is the players under 25 That are the players you are driving in forward and it's the older players you are letting in And that's actually really good That's brilliant Because you look at those players and you just like you're fine Get rid of them, get rid of your Snidon, your Sigartons, whoever else Maybe keep a couple of round for that squad mentality Yeah like the Coleman and stuff Like the Delf and you know but It's easy to see that there's a young core growing together And that's really good, that's really heartening to see that they do have these And we've always said in the past it was always There didn't seem to be much of a team spirit But that seems to be, you know, has been growing since Duncan took over I think that's really important Something we've said is about Hallgate and Calvallum is that they've cemented themselves in this team and they together And I don't know if it was Dom or if it was Hallgate sweet I think it might have been Dom and he put his hand up and said it was Dom I'm sorry and all But at the end of it, things are at the end of it, he went I love this team And I love the fight we've got and we'll carry on ready And when you get that and you see players saying I love this team It means that you've just said those young lads are all in it together You believe in it together When you get a core to a dad When you get a core and you haven't watched that class of 92 Documentary again, the updated version When you get a core of young players who all believe in the same thing And then believe in a man and say that's very powerful I think that what's important about that is When you look at the team You see us go 2-1 down and then we're not out of it Wofford, 2-0 down, we're not out People clearly believe now that Even going down or whatever, going 2 goes down It's not over, there's enough to believe in it, should it? Enough that we can score Pick for 25, you've got Dean, 26, Mina, 24, Holgate, 23 Then in midfielder, Wobby, 23 You've got Bernard, 26, fair enough Burylux, 7, 18 You've got Calvert-Lewin, 22 Retialis, 22 Moise Keenan, 19 Andy Gordon, 19 Tom Davis, 21 Andre Gomez, 26, Great-Age So if you look at the core of that team Even to the beginning of 27 But you keep the core of that And then you can get rid of your Sigarton, your Snidlans You know, Walcott Now I've got no problem What I like about Walcott is I think his professionalism is so important I'm not saying he's the best player on the pitch But I do think he's got a level of professionalism In a squad that can rub off on people He's a good example I don't know about other players I'm not going to call anyone out and say But I always feel like Walcott But he comes across so professional And when he's been out of the team And he's worked hard to get back into the team And then he has these moments And you know, I hope he's back Well listen, we're going to talk about that next Add into it, there's parts around me But the core is certainly there And that's where you start with anything That's where I think now people have got to Buy into it Buy into it as fans And not, you know It's not get to It's hard when you're not winning games But let's not fall into the trap Of starting to start criticising And placing and managing it all the time You know, because we get beat No listen Like you said, I'm normally quite Philosophic all of that But it did stay I've got to admit it did stay For me throughout on Sunday and Monday But back to normal today and ready for Sunday But now we're going in the right direction And we've got a manager who knows What that direction is for us Good stuff We'll have a little chat about Siddabi And a couple of other positions And also I've just remembered Masheri's four years in charge of 11 Coming up in part two We'll be right back Welcome back to part two Toffi TV podcast, Ped and Baz In the chairs, no one else here To be honest, it's what the people want No, not this ex-genitist Oh, he's just pivoting himself off Busy man He had his little Fall in school Now he's fine, but the school won't keep If your kid bangs ahead He won't keep it He went and got them checked out And he's fine, so get well soon He's all right Steve's never told me and I'm not going to say What's your kid's name? Am I? Really? Do you know what his kid's name is? No, but I'm not interested You know me? You don't care about anything I don't even know Andy got any kids? I couldn't care less I'm not interested I actually only like Zach because he's Lightly sound And it's easy to remember I mean, you know the kids are gone They're gone, the other ones But there's some hope for Zach We digress Yeah, listen We've got to talk about positions This is that stage now We're full team positions That stage Clarification is important Clarification is important In anything So there's a lot of talk this time of year We're just going into March now We're getting into that bit now We had this last season We cared to you And I think we got to this stage Well, we got to this stage Of the season where we actually Everything turned I think it was a year where we played Cardiff Where everything started to turn Performances Started picking up Zoomer And it's funny because It is that Last in Memories of Of Howard's play of finishes Of the season So I think this point last season We were still very cagey But at the end of the season We've got to get them Actually in the game before Zoomer had been sent off At the end of the game So we were Probably at the same feelings we have Right now Unsure about where we stand We clearly need to sort the right back position I don't think John Joe Kenny is anywhere near ready Anyone who watched The likes of game against Shelcher at the weekend They got me 5-0 And Kenny Got caught out for a couple of goals Against when he played by me a few weeks ago Again, more left them And I'm not Listen, these are top plays and top clubs But you've got to learn your lessons You know He's been playing well this season But I personally Would leave him in Germany for another year I'd let him go on loan for another year Clearly enjoying it They're enjoying having him I'm sure They'd be happy to take him for another year on loan And that's the way I'd look at him But I would That leaves the conundrum then Of what to do with what we've got Sheamus Coleman Listen, I still think he's a squad player I think he can come in and do a job Like he did against Crystal Palace But he's not our starting right back He can't be our starting right back But then the question is Is it to be the starting right back And you watch a game like Saturday And you look at it and you think I've seen you get caught out like that In a few games this season Intelligent players have pulled on through And then left them for dead It happened against Liverpool When we got beaten, it got took off after 25 minutes And Yes, the price is very tempting 12 million, 12, 13 million But It's still 12, 13 million That could be spent on someone else Which could be spent on someone else So What are your thoughts at the moment? It's a tough one with him Because I like him as an attack on fullback He's got five assists But I've been saying he's got five assists And he hasn't had another one yet So the last one was He's got five or six assists I think it is this season Which is good for a fullback Very good And I think, I don't know Against Probably two thirds Of the Premier League He's probably alright Because the onus is more on us attacking But like you've just said When you play against top players And you quote the Liverpool game The man I pulled on through One of the top players in the world He's absolutely incredible He's all, I mean I think Mohammed Salas got 14 Legals this season And Dom's got 13 So considering how good Salas was But yet man He's by far and above their talisman Now he's the man who you know When Liverpool get a light winner or a goal You've got to win a Saturday at Norwich Last week at Norwich, you've got to win it this week So players like that I don't see there being causing problems A Bamiank absolutely fantastic Played on them and caused them issues So I think against top players Is defensive frailties are blown wide open Whereas When Coleman played against Crystal Ballas It's a hard one Nothing really He set the goal of it But he come off the left at that point He was central and let's have it right Pick for children safety So it wasn't like it went round six It was not doing over So James Coulton played them really well But like you've just said And I love James as a person I love him as an Evertonian He's been incredible value still for me Just for the price Probably the best bargain Ever Probably will ever play in the Premier League At £60,000 So what he's done For everything he gives you going forward How are you going to cope in big games You then just start going You know what? He's great against Eighth Damage So he plays against them And the top eight, top seven James Coleman plays Because he's not going to commit I don't know I think what's interesting about Sydney Mears It's You've gone full character here Think about him Think about Sydney Mears I started holding the right back myself I went to centre back Maybe that's the progression for Sydney To become a top class centre back like I was No What's interesting about him though He's got this It's not that he's a bad defender But he's got a way of defending That is very much like a Is a risk We've said this He tries to nick the ball high up So we can play high up Now we've seen him almost trying to do that He's edging his bets And I just wonder whether They see enough of him In him That they can get all of them And say no, in a situation like that Go goalside If you see a player running with the ball And he's got 10 yards to run into No one's going to get near him I want you to drop off Because the chance is If you try and go full You don't get it easy And that's where you can see He's not a defender It's because if you're a defender You would completely Listen at anyone at any age Will have been told get goalside Because if they goal side they've still got to beat you If you drop off 5 yards there And Batman picks the ball All you've got to do is take the ball off And he ain't getting past you So I think he's just not a defender But the point being is how many full backs He's a wing back That's what he is But how many full backs are defenders these days And that is the question And we've said That's one thing To have that though You need a sentiment feel that Like we said previously Who's mobile enough Or a centre back Because I don't think Mina doesn't Any favours even though he's Of course the problem But I don't think Mina doesn't any favours Mina, if you understand your players Mina's anticipating him going forward then And Mina's coming across Because where else is Mina going to go there Why do we keep switching Mina and Holgate I've no idea, I've no idea said this Because Mina was the left centre back At Watford wasn't he And then obviously Michael Keane came in Against Pallas and was the left centre back Mina went to the right centre back And on Sunday Mina was the right centre back And Holgate was the left centre back They're obviously comfortable, I don't think that's a major What I mean is though If you look at that goal again If Mina is right next to Holgate And can see Cidderby going forward Then he should be going across Because he's not marking anyone So even though it looks clearly obvious That's Cidderby's fault Mina is massively contributing here Because if he shuffles over one Which he should be because there's no reason for him to be He should be an arch though What I mean is though The last word I was supposed to say Is too high Because he's practically wasted the beers So not only is he too high He's not across enough Because there's nobody else there Because if he goes across Then Holgate can come across Bains can come across and Sigurdson can drop in That's what you were always told You shift left and right depending on where you need to go And I know it happens very fast But the professional footballers This is what they should be able to see So if Mina is across there And Mina should be Literally where Mina and you are now Holgate and Mina should be together They should never be apart Neketa Wasn't like trying to play on the shoulder anyway If you look at it There should be an arch though Mina should be two yards behind Cidderby And Holgate should be two yards behind Bains Because you centre back To control the centre of the pitch That's where the danger is The problem is That maybe means you'll take another step over And then therefore you can intercept But if he's not going to do that Talk to Cidderby and pull him back Get goals ahead Get touch tight to him If he's touch tight to a Bamiang If he doesn't he tries to almost pinch the ball It's past him And then the chase is off And it's something we see quite a lot with him This is not just something that Happened in the game That's a mistake It is actually something he tries to do quite a lot You watch how many times he nicks the ball High up the pitch Well he had ten ball recoveries at the weekend Which is the most of any event But that's because probably four of them He's done the same He's nicked in front and pinched it That's what he's really really good at But at times he's going to have to lay into a drop back And that's where they've got to look at that and go I imagine this Do you think they'll buy him? I think if we get Europe I think we get Europe Be perfect I really do But what about the Premier League? But I do think he's good enough But this is the problem Can we get better? And if we can get better Do you buy him? If you were Brands and you're looking Like you just said 13 million quid The flip of that is Can we get better Or 22 For him So if you're looking and going Is John Joe Kenny good enough If they don't think he is And Shalka want to pay 15 million quid Then that's great for FFP by the way Because he's come through the ranks So therefore that's 15 million profits Straight in your P&L You can then go and get I don't know, say it was Max Arans Because he's a young right back He's quite decent I don't know whether he's good enough But he looks decent You buy him for 25 million Because knowledge are relegated Spread the cost over 5 years There's for 5 million a year for Max Arans And you've got 15 million for John Joe Straight away you've replaced a right back With a young version Who's the same He's gone in Say they've been now We've got a young one laying in the game But Max Arans can get up and down And do the delivery But what I was just going to say there Was if you do that, Max Arans has to become Your number one right back You buy in a Premier League right back That's what you're saying That's what you're saying Is that what you want and is that number one Listen, Hakimi's lones up I'm saying I haven't got him But is lones up a Dortmund this summer Dortmund might just look and go We laugh, this other kid that we've got Because that's their model Right on the tip I don't know I don't know because they mix and match Don't think it depends what they want But if they didn't If they didn't and he was available He'd be one and you'd go 100% he's our starting right back Without a shout out There's other ones, there's Joachim Mileser Who plays, who's another one Who's probably got the 20 million Who's probably good enough to go in and start That whether they believe John Jo Is good enough I'm unsure but I don't know He's had a really good season But I've seen him in games, I watched the Bundesliga I've seen him a few times Where he's had good games and then other times Like the Bayern Munich thing Where he's gone to sleep and it's a goal And you're like he's still doing things He was doing two years ago I don't think he gets up and down on the pitch enough for me Which is weird because when we were watching for the 23 His big thing was going on the outside He's far more defensive He's a bit He's a bit in between He's a bit like He's defensively Better than Coleman But he's not As offensively better than Sitherby So he's somewhere in the middle I don't think he's got the statue Maybe that's the thing This is the thing that I like about Sitherby He's a unit He's your looker and he's up and down He's tall, great balls And that's what football is now Isn't it? It is a real tough one with Sitherby And like you say, maybe if you buy You know, we get to the summer And Gabamon is fit And we can get about the pitch We've been heavily linked with Ibrahim Sangari Over the last couple of days You get an arm of pitches, you're a monster Unit of them if you're a player And you've got those lads You will go and tuck in for Sitherby when he's going On the front, which means Mina doesn't have to step as high Then maybe that negates almost How much of an issue Sitherby is Let me just ask you this then Do you think we've got enough pace at centre back? Cos I look at that goal And I'm just thinking to myself If we had a chicken cat, yeah? Look where he... No, but look where we are when he finishes it off I was so high But when he actually hits the ball He's caught him, the problem is The problem is it's the crossover You're coming out as I'm going You've got to spin and then chase me But I'm running the right way And that's the key again, is let's not be naive And this is something I think Now he might look and go I'll add a quick, they're not lightning but the quick enough But can we get another... And listen, dreams can come true And they You know, I believe they're quite fast Those dreams and can spin quick There's a centre back out there in France And let's be honest, no one's got a pat He's not a pat on anyone else yet But he is quick We have been linked to Gabrielle We have, and Gabrielle is quick And he's young and he's a Brazilian And the charlison thing comes into it And all of that getting him in there He would solve that issue But the beauty of that is And this is what I wanted to come onto Cos the midfield is really a key area for me Is that you've got Holgate then And you've got Holgate who can then play in two positions He can then go, he can play three He can be a right back if you need him to be As an emergency He can go and do his job He can play in midfield and he can play centre back But for me, you'd have... If it was me, if I was my brand And I'd have gotten the ideal world They would be the three The patch Holgate, Amina And then Lewis Gibson who They were 30 seconds from having the 6-3 I know, I know 97 to minute But it was Max Power If you're going to concede the goal Concede it to Max on the power You know, what a goal, what a name But you've got them three And I'd be looking to shoot Michael Gean So to be honest And then therefore you've got those three Who are quick and mobile and strong Who's coming in and trying to learn Is trade as well And then what that does is it gives you that mobility And it gives you the option of playing The three of them I was just going to say, what are the chances of playing Playing three? You've got two lads, a fullback A wingback, who are perfect wingbacks So if you want to play a 3-5-2 for it For our agency, you're still keeping your two centre forwards on the pitch Which is vital You're getting your two lads in wide areas A wingback, he's not a right back really And then you can make that midfield up with I imagine if you had Frag, you can say Sangari, Gomez and Gabaman In midfield, so three units Two lads of front two wing And then you've got the options off the bench You know, Bernard, a Wobie You know, people like Dari Who can come on and add that little bit of spring You can then almost take out Gomez And put a Wobie in there or take Gabaman off And then you've got someone centre or Bernard So it's giving you that options But even in a 4 Even in a 4-4-2 You're giving yourself those options For midfield as well If you could have them and then chase a couple of armoured fielders Then that makes the whole, the physique of the squad And the strength of the squad much better Yeah, he's got Let's be honest, he's got The rest of the season, I imagine To prove his worth The option is there It's 11 games to go The Euros with France Imagine is the back-up right back about You know, you ventised this last week, wasn't you? Just wonder whether that's just the age in terms of the chase Probably, but He's an attack on fullback, isn't he? Like you said before Fullback's now, but he's a role Are there any real You know, I watched Someone who is a fullback at the weekend Wamba Sacher, great defensively Cross the half-way line Tony Ibertesk They're getting less and less though Great at doing what his job Essentially is But in a world where At home, your fullbacks have a lot of the ball You've got to be able to If we don't sign him, he'll go somewhere And he'll be kicking ourselves because he'll look amazing Because I just think in certain scenes He will look brilliant because They'll have the structure to do with the Delaugraff Someone in the centre of the field Or whatever It's like you said before Srengar i ffrag i'n siw O Gabrielle o'r ewer o Gwbam am bach, i fi cwms Even better than what he is now So, for £30,000,000, cwyd 27 Great age, bylla ffem My keep, like you said, might leave John Joe on loan For another 12 months and see if he progresses Or di'n mysell yma'r abaibach Is something like that It's going to be dead interesting because With the 440, I think it's very easy To identify where the weak spots are And I think, have an answer a lot I think he'll look and go well For me, it's right back Right wing and centre of the field Are the absolutely burning positions And then a centre back, that's how I would look at it Good stuff We'll have to wait and see Obviously, as we mentioned This performance will go a long way to the side And whether he is in effort to play it next season Coming up in the final part We'll be discussing Sunday's visit of Manchester United to Godderson Park Don't go away Welcome back to part 3 Of the Toffy TV podcast As we mentioned earlier It is 4 years this week Which I'm sure Of Michelley coming in as the owner I'm sure we could have done a podcast On its own on that but As we're always talking about it Every day It's hard to pull it all together Because we're always Consistently in it but It does seem to be going the right way At the moment, doesn't it? It's funny that when you start Things start to fall into place How it all seems to be going in the right way Yeah, I mean He come in and I think we were all giddy We had money This was going to happen And that was going to happen and it was all False stones wasn't it But sometimes those false stones Are teaching you ways how To be successful even when you're not You're learning different things I think he's got The manager he wanted Apparently he tried to get him a couple of years ago And it wasn't the right time He's got the director of football he wanted From day one in place Whether people agree with brands or not Or like brands or not Watch the documentary if you're having Because it was excellent on him And so when you look at that He's put those two things in place With You've got your structure Your football structure with brands You've got a well-class manager at the helm We've got an application In for planning for the stadium It's mate making big noises behind him So straight away If you look at it, just take a quick look at it Things do look like we're improving And we're finally Finally rolling in the right direction Yeah, it all seems to be It all seems to be in the right place And I think actually Without sitting here Going over it again I think in the summer Could be the time where you start To see the actual shape of things Because It'd be great if we got Europe Whatever form Because then you start planning for that And you're going in the right direction You've got the manager for that You're buying players based on that as well That'll be the next big thing won't it To talk at the moment Seeing who the targets are And who we actually bring in Whether we get confirmation Of the stadium in the summer as well Even things like The shade sponsor and things like that What the levels they're looking at What investment they can bring in To it So I think the summer is actually going to be A bigger indication Of where we're going Because obviously there's a lot of things In place already Being in the live a bit Buildings now for coming up to a year Haven't we so? Over a year Sorry it's over a year now We've never been in live builds for over a year There's been changes to Finch Farm The women's team We've got their own little stadium now Which is fantastic All the plans are out there for our stadium And what's going to happen with Goulders from Park And as I said With The opportunity for new players in the summer Marcel Brands This might be the summer that The academy start We actually see some real changes happening In the academy as well And the under 23 set up So I think this summer actually will tell us so much more About What shape we're in rather than just sitting here right now Just because it's the fourth anniversary We know we're going in the right way Because we've got someone like Carlos And we've got a planning permission Looking for planning permission for the new stadium And when you look at the document for the new stadium It's incredible I know it has to be that detailed But it's incredible that When you look at it and you think That's us That's where we're going That's real tangible evidence That people have sat down You've got the best people You've got the best architects You've got the best people to look at All environmental studies And historical stuff It's all in the planning permission You can see that yourself So it's not something that has been cobbled together It's something that really shows That we're serious And as I said the summer will give us more On that The whole project Is fantastic For Bramley Doch We keep every image that we see Makes you a little bit more excited We've been talking about this We've been talking about it A few years now And obviously The first time we went through Meeting of the live of buildings Was for a stadium update And we hadn't seen any plans It sounded exciting but you kind of were going Alright And then obviously last August I think it was Or July we got to see the plans It was fantastic Absolutely fantastic It was absolutely fantastic To see that stadium And then we've seen It's been altered even since then We've seen updated things The final plans The application going There's a capacity there now That was never said So you've got that And I still have said many times They'll believe it will be more than that anyway And for people going why do you think There's a regional application Was for £56,000 I think of £54,000 And it went up to £60,000 So that's all exciting We've seen the stuff coming out last week With Manchester United With the rail seating And we're planning to put that in So again that could push that up And that makes that more exciting So everything is on the right path If we can get I mean I imagine the summer where You know when we've got Marcel Brans And Chilotti at the helm And we've got a nice new kit Made by Whoever And we've got New sponsor on and stuff like that People will start going And then a couple of good signings That complement the team And you can see the structure of the team People will begin to take us A little bit more seriously Forget the media The media is irrelevant almost We've just got to believe in what we're doing As a fan base and back Back that because this fella has come in And He's put his money where his mouth is He's set us on a path of Trying to get a new stadium He's got us a well-class man Thing with Mishiri is he's made mistakes And people go oh he's this, he's that He's made mistakes but he's always Try to rectify his mistakes So he got cumin He got aledais Cos he felt like we needed to just ensure That we were stable He sacked them cos we didn't like him He got rid of them when he needed to impede them He liked Marco Silva and he stuck to his guns there He got him But then when it wasn't working He sacked them even though the director of football Didn't want them sacked at that time So he sees what he wants And he's trying his best To do To effect his decisions I think that needs to be I think the most important thing for me going forward Is if he feels like he's got all the right people In the right positions now at the club He maybe can take a Step back from From not having to Get his hands dirty I know we feel like a times We're not always being 100% sure Who's been doing what But that comes down to If you're not And listen if you get it anywhere In any role It's because you take control of a situation But if you feel like There's people in the roles That you're confident in So you don't have to be there And I feel like that's maybe where we are now That'll be his ideal scenario That's what I'm saying That takes time And that's what I'm saying with brands I don't think people care to say it's brands And for some of the signs you can go Let's see how it plays out I don't like things like the academy Those things don't happen overnight And People say should the brands be on the board Well maybe You have to give someone The ultimate power So that they can make changes Otherwise There'll be reluctance within the club And be like well no I'm not changing for you I've got this role and you've got that role And actually we're very very similar Whereas you've got to know I'm a director mate The things happen a lot quicker So Yeah it's up to the dance But we seem to be moving in the right direction Regrettably we've spent a lot of money That's been completely wasted And now we are sort of suffering The little backlash of that But But there man city did Teams do spend money There's a team not too far away That have spent a lot of money to get it right And they've got it looks I've got it right this year It plays out Sometimes it has to go wrong a little bit So you have to understand how to get it right You learn more from the mistakes Than you do from the successors Anyway Sunday man city united Another big game They've just hit a little bit of form And It's a tough game isn't it Because not only is it a tough game But it's one of those games where you're looking and going We've got to get something from this If we can get three points in this It's another one of those pivotal games The same as the Arsenal game Yeah definitely Diwer on a good bit of form when we played them last time When we went to Old Trafford We just beat spares around Diwer on a good run Diwer fifth in the league Things have gone well And we went to Old Trafford and that day We had seven players out And Duncan somehow managed to get a performance out of all that And realistically when you look back We can see that the goal was 19 minutes left But they hadn't really done We'd got through that In the game where you're looking And thinking last 20 can be closer We couldn't, which was fine, we got a draw But You know maybe you might have come to Godderson last season And you were on a good run On the car who was going to do this And that day we got the lead And we never let them settle And we beat them four on it And I looked for this Sunday I sat here off camera as well I watched the United for the opening half an hour And they were getting against Wafford And they turned it off because it was awful They were terrible But the problem, not the problem But the thing is they've got some good players They've got Marcial who's a match with it They've got Bruno Fernandez who's just come in Who looks neat and tidy Haven't seen enough of him yet But he looks neat and tidy Dan James is quick so he'll always be a threat You know they've got Mason Green They've got Robbie Weary But they haven't got Rashford who can be a real threat to us Pogba's not there for whatever reason So So that's the thing The thing is at home A chance for us to get rid of the result Sunday Bamsbach Cradw'r byw ffrig os it's man United Which is always a good thing And it's a great opportunity there What a day 41 points I think So if we beat them it's two points Or three points back on them It'll pull us closer to everybody else So why not go out Get stuck into them from the way it go Like we did last season And with the two lads we've got up front What a massive threat McGuire I've said it all along He's an average defender Linda Lough is up and down So our two strikers can give those To a right good going over Walcott's going to be back it looks like It's not bad And then obviously The one reason I will play Bernard Sunday Is because he's got the ability to drag Wamba Sacher inside Which means that Leucadino who should return Will have a little bit of space to go on the outside And I think it's all about Bernard Engaging Wamba Sacher And seeing him I know when we played them Down a palace for the first half Wamba Sacher had them in his pocket When he was there for the second half On the pitch a little bit And if he can do that It's a really good defensive fallback But it's not only that It's not only just about one player If you get Bernard and Charleston on that side And you're changing it up a little bit And moving them around And obviously you attack from different Ales of the pitch I think the main thing is we don't allow Any space behind Man United love counterattacking And getting into that space behind Obviously it's not available They can really really hate you With Fernandez they've got someone I think you can Can open defences up It's something that they didn't really have We'll have Gomez back Likely it'll be his first start Who would you put with him? I'll put Delph with him Cos I just think he's a little bit more mobile I think if Tom was in any kind of form Tom Davis then I might think about him Cos I think he's mobile The important thing is someone's mobile Cos I don't think at the moment That Gomez is going to Push on When we played with West Ham Where we had Gomez and Tom Davis And they were a good partnership that day And Gomez just Sat in almost in that quarterback role Very much like he did when he came on Against Arsenal And I think what that needs is It needs someone else who can get round And I think Delph can get round Yeah he's mobile And he's united And he's being a trit to show what gives him that little needle I mean you might go out I don't know it depends what the tactics are Snidlin yes could sit behind Gomez And give you a two midfield And that might allow you to have You know Bernard Bernard and Sidderby getting forward And obviously the two up front It gives you that extra insurance And he's a big lad as well He's done well home recently as well So I wouldn't necessarily say that wouldn't happen But I always thought When Gabamon wasn't playing I always thought it was Delph And Gomez With the two But obviously with Angelotti You don't know cos we haven't had them So it'll be interesting to see But he obviously gives us The fact that he'll be starting again Because of St Park will be huge for him And huge for the crowd It puts a little bit of Extra emphasis on the game And of course we want to get back to winning ways We want to prove to people that we are a decent team We want to get up the table You know we're sitting in the bottom half of the table at the moment Which looks sort of You know it looks weird Cos of the run we've been on It doesn't feel right that way below Teams like Burnley But that just shows you how kind of What bad a state we were in When we started that run On the feet And back in the bottom half of the table Listen we've got a chance to bounce back We go to Chelsea next week Which is a tough game and we've got Liverpool We've got a tough run of fixes But your home games are where Everton have done very well Against these big sides over the last few years So why not do it again Get out, mix it up And United don't worry me Honestly they don't scare me They've got good players in certain positions But Everton have got good players They've got the three points in a tight game You know it's our turn this Sunday To make sure that we're the team That's coming off the pitch with the victory Above all else, win the game And then we go into that Chelsea game With new confidence Now and that we've pulled the two points back on United So we're right in the mix there then You know it's up to us then to kick on from there But eleven games to go Probably need six wins I would suggest for your So we've got to win these games You've got tough away games It is a tough run It is a tough run, it's more than just the four games You've got less than home, you've got to talk them away It's a way where we don't Generally do too well Apart from winning the league there So we've got it, we've got it And this is where you show, this is where you show what you've made of Or play a show in terms of Finishing the season, a show on Carlo Ancelotti These might be Manchester United No no, but I'm just saying to you But I just mean they might be Manchester United They're not No no, but I ask them when they're playing I look at these arrivals If we want to spot in Europe We've got to take it off these teams We've got to take it off a man United We've got to take it off a Tottenham We've got to take it off a Wolves We've got to take it off these teams The only way we're going to take it off them Is by beating them, because if they beat us Then it's a sixth point in isn't it And then you are just trudging into the end of the season At the moment the door's still open We don't know what the Man City situation Is going to be still They've gone to port of arbitration So we still don't know where that is So the chance is still there And we've got good players We're showing fight What we've got to do is get rid of those stupid lapses Of defensive lapses But also start showing a little bit More I don't even know how you quantify it Just showing that little bit Something that the good teams Have to win games A bit of belief in yourself That you can win it and go for the jugge And go where having this This is us today and that's what we need to do Sunday And if we do, we'll win the game Do you go? 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