 Well, Frank Ohm is an expert on North Korea at the United States Institute of Peace think tank. He also served as a senior advisor for North Korea at the Department of Defense. Thank you very much, Frank Ohm, for joining us. Was this anything more than a superficial photo opportunity? Well, first of all, thanks for having me. I understand that there are legitimate criticisms about this being a photo op, reality TV show. But that being said, there is a big takeaway from this meeting, which is that President Trump and Kim Jong-un agreed to begin working level negotiations. If we were to believe the word of President Trump, they agreed to return to working level negotiations in a few weeks' time. So I think it remains to be seen whether they can actually make progress from those negotiations. But that is significantly an important step given the stalemate that we've been experiencing for the last several months or so. Right. And do you think working level negotiations, if you can hear me all right, do you think working level negotiations, as they mentioned today, on the key issues are helped by big telegenic moments like we saw today? I think, first of all, we have to see if they actually take place. Remember about nine months ago, special representative Stephen Began was named as the U.S. lead for working level negotiations, and they just never really materialized except for a few times leading up to do preparatory work for summits. So until we actually see those working level negotiations, we don't know whether all of this patentry of summitry has actually helped. Isn't it deeply worrying that a despot presiding over a country with one of the worst human rights records in the world is being given this legitimacy? That may be the case. I certainly think that there are significant human rights issues. And we have to be mindful of that. At the same time, we make peace with our enemies, not our friends out. We have to deal with Kim Jong-un in order to address the tensions on the peninsula and ultimately achieve North Korea's denuclearization. Is this the only way that that could be achieved, do you think? Well, I don't know of any other way. You need to be able to meet with the leader. Certainly in a case in North Korea where the top-down process seems to be more appropriate because no other people within the North Korean system have the authority to engage and make decisions. So you need to have the ability to get Kim Jong-un's trust and make sure that he is fully bought in into the process. How optimistic are you about the forthcoming months and any chance of progress? That's unclear. I do think that both sides are committed to diplomacy. We know about Kim Jong-un's imposed deadline for salvaging diplomacy by the end of the year. I think Kim Jong-un and President Trump both have a vested interest in reaching a deal by the end of the year. So I think that there is some hope, but again, we just have to see how it plays out. Frank Ohm, thanks very much indeed for joining us from the United States Institute of Peace in Washington. Thank you.