 Our budget committee as well as orca media Hello, orca media Are there any amendments? Alrighty well, it's 502 should we head straight into the budget workshop? Alrighty presentation of office administration budget So is that you well it's a combination we basically collaboration with Sarah We have Pretty much try to level fund where we could we went down where we could I want to just say Anything with a question mark Which I may have looked like I missed a couple here The health insurance is like basically all the insurances are still up in the running They're waiting for our final numbers They're fairly close, I think I Level funded some of them that I didn't know so depending on the percentage increase they come across And the wages I have stuck at 2% and For wage across the board. We haven't even discussed wages So but I just put that in so there would be a number there So of course all your taxes for wages and everything like that Coincide with whatever number that you come up with I'm just gonna do my if I turn this off because we're just wasting money with 15 minutes You mean so in other words if she tries to call in She won't be able to get us. She'll have to call in the regular one. I'm sorry So that's basically throughout every category just not the administration part of it as far as insurances and wages So I am still again wherever I was missing information From the department I have just gone Whatever you have questions on So Welch Park is a that new line that we talked about right because we didn't Welch Park is our portion of what we pay for down We didn't have it as a separate line Yes, it was it was in there for 2,000. No, there was no budget for 2018. You're right Yeah, okay, and then we ended up having the expense which was Unordinary to have that kind of expense, but I think last year for this current year We had plugged in a thousand dollars So I plugged in a thousand dollars for next year, too But we did end up spending Fy 18 That was we ended up buying low computers and Hello, which is something that I wanted to discuss as well Hello Do you have to answer it on the other phone? No, I can answer it right here. I thought it was Mary, but Um, which I think our regular monthly maintenance now The computers is up over $6,000 a month. I mean So that's I think that something you really should take a look at And that includes that we added back in didn't we the Yeah, because we had extra time that was included by any extra We're just ongoing hours because we wanted to see how it went and you know, so we were paying the high rate, yeah, as opposed to a discounted rate and You know Peter and I are supposed to get together with Ruben again here Six months after the last meeting too. He was gonna come with data to look at where we actually stood and how much was I wonder if there's any comparison with some of the other smaller towns like what are they doing for computers? And is it costing them? Do we know I don't know how many computers are Well, I mean there's a whole network. We we essentially rebuilt the whole network, which was the being the main issue And backup was what we were really concerned about one we don't want to get hacked and We don't want to have a crash of all of our financial and land records and all that stuff And try to replace it Which has been it seems like it's been quite a bit better. Yeah Yeah It's weird because too bad that we didn't get the pack in the beginning You know, I don't think it would have had because whenever you do a rebuild like that There's always stuff that you're gonna have to work out, but at least Yeah, but we've held off doing the the email transition. Yeah, because I just didn't want to have any more Problem So it's a 600 a month based on the past or is it based on just you know, that's our monthly rate We have a six hundred and seven dollars a month So that's sixty two percent increase is truly the increase for what we budgeted last year Because we didn't have that type of contract Contract It's it's it's really the network the firewall and the server And the backup is really the you know the main cost repay for clouds Through our provider RV technologies towards its own cloud service Yeah, I think so everything in well we have two clouds We've got oh, we've got the cloud for a land records, which is ACS So that's that's owned by now continuing use visa Xerox And then we've got the system back there if you go down the hall hall way you can see that and then I think we're Storing stuff at RB technology. So we have and then Nemerick, which is our municipal software program So we've got multiple Hopefully should anything happen. We've got multiple. Yeah Yeah, never yeah never back up the payroll day or every shit back up every day Yeah, so never backs up every day to their cloud That's part of the agreement with them on the on the software and then what we Wanted was a secondary backup. So who we we put together the plan with RV technologies. We're backing that up everything all files email and and Backing up Nemerick again, so we have a redundant backup. That's good. Everything's off. Everything's off-site. So Yeah, and we don't have to mess around with tape drives and stuff like the old days Hard to write. Yeah, right. That's right. Yeah, you had an external hard cut So yeah, it is I mean, I think it is it is pricey for a small Yeah, but I think the concerns That we were starting to have was you know just kind of like do we really want to be the select board that has our financial system crash No Things which Undertown property maintenance there we the last year we spent $2,081 that was for painting and stuff So what we normally do is we take it out of the discretionary fund because we never budget anything in there So I don't know if you want to start budgeting anything in That because when it gets we always use discretionary money, but then it gets posted to the proper account for Accounting purposes. Yeah, so so far we have $930 and that and that is I think that's the Yeah, what we're where are we on the top under general government? Okay, this Under where is it? Oh, tell property me Okay, yes, so I don't know if that's something you want to consider putting a number in there for And that was we painted a little bit of town hall and we painted All we do the roof on them and this year you're doing some windows or lighting upstairs We're doing lighting downstairs. We've already done the lighting upstairs, but also I think Peter likes to do like one side of town Every but don't we have a building? Well, it's all where what happens is if you want it to come out of there then It should be noted as they always say didn't say take it out of the discretionary And the discretionary fund is just an extra really just an extra number in the budget or whatever You know, I think We kind of have this ongoing maintenance thing that we're doing that we ought to actually budget for it It's planned to work, you know, it gives us an idea how much money we're spending on that We can look at it over time rather than You know, then hoping we don't need the discretionary fund for something that really turns out to be an emergency So personally, I'd rather see us I think so Yeah Is there any line like that now for a building firm? I'm sorry Is there any line now for a building firm? I did put in I think some sort I think we might have Yeah There's building repairs under town hall Oh, there is So the town hall is Oh, yeah Yeah Right Separate from that Yeah For this That's not a fund, that's just a repair fund And that's strictly for this building like painting the fire at the park That old building didn't come under I guess this building where Patty posted it Because we did look up what was under there and she said it was painting up Building over here But you do have a building fund Yeah There's building maintenance in the fire department too Yeah There's That's the garage building fund Yeah Seems like you're underfunded Underfunded for long term maintenance Yeah Yeah Considering that Well, and I think we need to also talk about the conversation that we've been having about You know, another changing the town clerk office Building And so are we, if we want to present that to the voters It would be nice to have a little slush fund to say we're putting this towards it And I mean, I think we should take it seriously and not just keep talking about it Because eventually it's going to sort of be necessary And we don't want to present, have nothing saved for it And where are we with the elevator? We didn't do anything So the elevator is okay The elevator has a very tricky switch in it that With all due respect, Peter was falling with And we didn't stop But the, I think, and I may be wrong on this That if you guys want to just create a fund You've got to go to the voters to create a fund Right To create a fund So it looks like we have a, I might be wrong on this But it looks like we have a garage building fund But it doesn't look like we have a building, a designated building fund Yeah, we balance those things So you might want to consider putting that on the morning Yeah Right, and not funds, you know, this So we can have that as a separate conversation Yeah When we talk about special articles Yeah Is there a list of all the funds that exist for the town? It's not in that budget report But yes, there is several different funds That can only be used for those purposes What there are and aren't We can, they're available We can get them, you know Yeah, I can get you I can mail them to you next week if you want That would be awesome Yeah, they don't go in the budget status kind of reports Because they're really inactive, the money, you know There's appropriation that sits there Yeah, so something has to be taken So now what are we asking? We're talking specifically now about Well, I was just mentioning, you know That might be something you want The town is property maintenance Yeah, right So anything like that And I'm sorry, you came up with that 9.30 That was based on That's a number of that And I'm going to move that actually It was something that Mitch just gave me Before he left a few minutes ago And that's for lawn mowing for the town hall And for the property down on Three Mile Bridge Road So, but I'm going to move that into The town, the mowing here could probably go in Under the grounds for the town hall But I think the other needs to stay under For a town property It doesn't have it under his Remember how Mitch has his own Well, he has his own, but that's recreation It's not town So that's not the selling So this town property maintenance Doesn't that cover the whole town? Everything? Why does all of the departments have a separate fund then? For town property? Yeah Well, there's this, but Well, we have one for grounds It's not maintenance It's like town hall has a budget It's something you guys created You wanted everything associated with that This is just a general one That doesn't have its own entity Like the property down on Three Mile Bridge Road That has to be mowed And it doesn't fall under the wreck department Oh, that was going to be my question That doesn't fall under the wreck department Because it's not part of the wreck department So we're saying that should fall under General government? Right, because Alright, gotcha And that's where it Yep, yep, yep, okay And that's where you got the 930 Alright We have this guy, Andy Plant Who does the plantings around here That's not part of the wreck thing That's a good guy He is a good guy Yeah Okay See, moving down A little bit and trying to see where there was big changes Elections, it's not as many elections So that kind of went down Or we don't have to hold as many For that year So we went down on that Is that expense just paying the $15 that people make? Or what is that? No, it's the advertising It's... Right So in the 2019-2020 budget Which we're going to pay for Is the formatting of I think we're going to pay for it I think we'll get some money for this day Formatting for the presidential primary Okay So that's one election And then the formatting for the town For town meeting as well Because all the town is holding Where do the salaries come from Just the little money that people make That gets budgeted into Elections Collect them out of that money What do you do about the fact that The health officer and the animal control officer Never put in for their... They don't put it in So it just It's an unspent money But I think... But we do have the obligation I think it's wise to keep it in there I'm only putting in for one hour a week Yeah So... Eric is not asking for money? Someone's a bit of a bill Yeah But I do think you should have a placeholder Just in case So that gives you 52 hours of their time Does it make sense for us to... I mean, maybe we don't want to do this But the way that we get paid for the select board We're just giving a stipend to give them a stipend At the same time, we get our stipend So that they don't have to submit a bill I'd rather see them submit a bill I mean, they could end up with a bunch of hours Right They haven't been billing for it Right So we will pay them more than what we have budgeted If they presented us with hours And they fall more under our employee category Right Right, because you would have to pay payroll taxes on them Okay Yeah I'm sorry, are we going into this other... You can go wherever, yeah I just... I mean, I was kind of seeing that somebody I kind of gave me the overall summary of things Emergency management, as you know Under public safety That's something you guys really should go back I know it's a new line item, but... Remember how I tried to save the money for it every year? That was my goal, was to save money for it So that we'd have it Well, I think that the money was never put into a fund It was just budgeted and never used And that's what happens Unless a fund is created It has to go back into the general budget I just think that given the... Given what we've had to deal with With just the last weather event that we had That we need to be a little bit more cognizant Of what's going on around us in town To make sure that there aren't people who are Dying in their homes that we don't know about And the emergency management may... I don't want to... I think his budget was realistic In terms of what he presented to us And we're going to be probably relying on it More and more as time goes on On emergency management services So... I mean, I just say we bite the bullet on that I don't think it's asking a lot And if we find that it's something that we're really not using Then we can revisit it But... There were a few things that looked like Maybe we wouldn't use the money for it But I would imagine we'd use a couple thousand dollars That's not much money in there No, it's not a lot It just looks big on the budget It looks big on the budget You could go two years and not need it Right And you say... You know, five times that much Right Did work account Reach Drop Well, that's where I'm trying to get a clarification That's why there's question marks All over the place on that Yeah, they have gone down But we're like really off on some of these numbers With wages and Worker's comp and all And I have to talk to Patty And find out You know, because I think First of all, I think some numbers are getting Posted to a different category To where we budgeted it And You know, like... For instance, Sarah is a good example That... Because she's in General government as your assistant And then she's in administration As a clerk Right I think a lot of the discrepancy there is It's going to one and not the other And not being split accordingly So I need to talk to Patty on that But I'm also trying to... I'm waiting for some rates From our insurance company So that's why I hope to get that all Finally So kind of disregard Wages and workers comp And I know that's what's making these numbers Jump around Do you think our power will go down In the town hall once we change our lights? What was up with the 15% increase In the electricity for the town hall? Well, I opted up Because if you look at the budget For 2018 We budgeted We spent $2,600 So I upped it to $2,600 If we spent that in 2018 I can only imagine it'll be that in 2020 But I wonder, are these new lights Supposed to help with power Or are they just supposed to look better? No, they help with that They're switching their IDs Yeah Okay And we could probably... It's not a lot of money If you want to go back to Level funding it, that's fine You know, I just did Because we were over in 2013 No, that makes sense Hi, Roots, how are you? Show off to me Hi, Roots Would you guys mind sharing one of these? Yeah I know You guys can hold on to mine You can look at mine It's nothing It's kind of like the county tax Yeah You know That's one before I go home You've got to live with them My debt service did go down We did On some stuff So that helps What does it say on the agenda? It has the VLCT dues Where's the... I think it was deciding Whether to put it under correspondence Or... Okay What the dues are I think you put them in Yeah Yeah It's a big deal Oh, okay I think she was just going to say They use a per capita rate Right So it was a correspondence That's what it was going to be Is there anything about the Highway Department? Steve, that you Perhaps fine tuning Highway Department request Did I find flat? No, it says perhaps fine tuning Highway Department request Was there anything in the Highway Department That you wanted to fine tune? No The road salt is taking A pretty good job here Is that because you're salt In your shitty room? Is that where it was? Well, I don't know how much salt He used, but I mean We're trying to Use this much Yeah Chloride in the summer Chloride use in the summer Chloride use in the summer What's the main use? Where do you use that for? Well, the chloride Keep the dust down The paint complained And that's what we're trying to do I know I bet you I could watch that Being dry I didn't know You probably did Have watched me You must do it after E cloudy After I open the refrigerator With a heavy top That could be That we did have one of the Line item That water. Is that to the state? Is that every year? It's going to get worse. I know we talked about this, but I can't recall what we talked about in terms of budgeting for the elm trees. Is it the elm tree? Yeah. The removal of the elm tree? Yeah. That was a long time ago. But he spoke here. He said it was premature to do that. Okay, so not for 2020. All right. And there are recreation. I don't know if we've gotten down there yet, but Mitch is dropping the Portalette rental from two down to one. So, I say 600 bucks a day. So I saw something about that learn to swim. That's on the phone now. Right. And I wonder if that's something that, if it's something that, that's an addition, right? That's not, yeah. That's in the budget. We have $500 in rent to swim. Right. Well, this is a winter, but I was asking about the Waterbury program. So I wonder if we should make it $750. If that's something that's going to become a regular thing. Mitch said it was just that Waterbury didn't have enough kids to sign up. And so we talked to him and said, well, if you want to get some middle-sex kids for this winter swim program, you can do this. And the kids in Waterbury spend, pay 75 bucks. The full fee is 100 bucks. And what Mitch is going to ask for in this $250 line item is whether or not 10 kids can be funded that $25. So they pay the same. They pay the discount rate that the Waterbury gets. Okay. Got it? Yeah. I don't know how you guys want to deal with that. Right. That's what that's about. But I just wonder if that's something that becomes successful, it will become an expectation that there's this winter learn to swim as well. So, are you tired of me? No. I just, you know, do we want to do it once and never do it again? Or should we put it in the project? Where do they swim? First in fitness. Really? Yeah. Which is very unusual because they can't do the summer program up at First in Fitness because they don't have the personnel to do it. Is that right? Yeah. That's why it went to the Montpelier pool. It's because they couldn't handle it up there. That's why. First in fitness in the school. The First in Fitness doesn't often have lifeguards available. Right. And that was the problem with, so I'm surprised that that program is even in place because they can't accommodate us. All right. So let's not worry about it. Well, I just meant to put it in for next year's budget if that's the case. But let's not. Okay, so Shadyne Park is still now the state. Van Stanmoyle, what happened to that part of your, what does the Van Stanmoyle mean? He's now, it's all under the town B-O-R. I think it all gets, they don't bill separately. I think it's all under. Oh, the line of a bottle. Yeah. I think before it used to be a separate bill. I almost think you've had somebody. Oh, B-O-R. Okay. Yeah. So I think it's all under one now. Okay. So he only gave me one thing. Okay. But to the point there, it's, he gave me the same thing, but 2018 came in at quite a bit higher. So I guess I'm going to have to ask him, because he only gave me a budget number of 3,520 last year and this year, but yeah, it came in at 6,000 for 2018. So I'll go back and research those bills and ask what the difference is there. Alrighty. So to keep on the agenda, do we have any other questions about this? And this will, now that I've got most every budget in here other than fine tuning insurances and such, I think we should schedule like time to talk about at the next meeting or something about wages. Yeah. Then we can. Have we met with everyone else? Yeah. That has presented? Okay. So wage increases are plugged into this? Right. Well, I put a 2% in there for all everybody, but the numbers are not coming out in some cases because there was a part after we had approved the budget last year, we made some changes to wages. So it is going to make the numbers look a little bit different, but. So is it realistic, this realistic that we're going to come in under the last year's budget? But that's, no, that's, that number is very off right there. Yeah. That would be nice though, wouldn't it? It would be nice. It would be really good. Yeah. That's why I said don't leave everything in here. It was more or less because we hadn't given you anything on paper yet. And, but I just got two departments, you know, 430. I was just given the budget from two departments. So. Alrighty. Are we all set? Okay. Our regular meeting comes to order. Are you guys going to now head out budget committee? I don't know. What are we doing next? We can't meet. We haven't worn a meeting. Okay. Well, you are welcome to stay. Oh, okay. Perfect. All right. So we begin our regular meeting at 536. So we are going to review and possibly approve fiscal year 18 audit performed by Batchelder and Associates Action Possible, and we got that emailed to us. Yeah, emailed and I'll send you a couple of copies. I'll share one with someone. Thank you all kind of. Yeah, I gave you everyone. I looked at him. I sort of skimmed it. I lost a lot to read. Okay. So Dorinda, what did you think about the auditor's report? Was there anything that stood out to you that. Overall, she said all of our books were in order. All right, good. So there was nothing that I could see that jumped out as a problem. The good thing is is, I mean, they do go through and do a pretty thorough job as far as taking sandbrings of everything and. Was this her second year with them? And also, well, which is back to where she went up another $200 this year to do the budget. I don't know if that'll happen again, but it's definitely every year going off. So like everything else. Yeah, but I didn't see anything. I'm just trying reading. Yeah. Did Peter make any comment, Sarah? Peter did not make any comment, except to say that he was reading through it. So this is something that we have to approve. Something you're going to have to approve. Okay, so do we want to wait until Peter has looked at it before we do that? Is there any reason why we have to approve it right now? No, you just have to approve before you get the warning out. Right. And then she'll make up like I have to get back to her. This is only a wrap until you approve it and then she'll send the finals. What do you guys think? I'd like to know what Peter thought. Yeah, I think so too. I mean, I don't think he's going to see anything different than we are, but there's nothing that stands out in the report at all, but it's not fun reading. Right. No, it's not. I mean, I just think given the fact that Mary and Peter are not here that it would probably be a good idea for us to hold off. Yeah, pass over it till next time. All right, I'll put it on for the next meeting as well. Okay. Perfect. Well, now we're ahead of schedule. 545 Treasurer's Report, General Financial Review, action unlikely. Basically, I've been concentrating on the budget, so there's really nothing new to report. All right. Anyone have questions? Okay. So considering whether the town should try to renew the current town plan as stop gap while it is being revised for later in 2019 or 2020 townwide vote, no action. So I had a question about this because we have, now you're leaving. Have you left yet? Yes, you have. I'm gone. You're gone. Okay. Because the town plan as it is right now has expired, right? And then the zoning regs are also up for renewals. They haven't expired. Yeah, they haven't expired, but weren't we counting on the town plan? We're talking about the town plan, not the zoning regs. No, I know. But wasn't it something where we couldn't change something before we changed the town plan? You couldn't change the zoning regs? Yeah, we couldn't change the zoning regs. So I'm wondering where the zoning regs are in, they're just waiting for the town plan. So I just want to update this because since last time Mitch asked me to put this on. Yeah. Go for it. Okay. It's, you can, hey, the town that that ship that ship has sailed, you can no longer pass a old plan, renew an old plan because that plan's expired. So that's an option. So I guess now the conversation is the question that the Mitch and everybody wanted for the feedback from the select board was, is it worth trying to rush through a new town plan? And I don't think, I don't think physically that's possible with all the warnings and everything else like that. So now this question becomes kind of like a moot point now since you can, now we're looking, you're looking at either a special election in 2019 or else waiting until 2020. But anyway, to present a town plan to the town, correct. That's going to be whatever the planning commission is going to be working on. That's the one coming up with your timeline. So, but we can't renew the current town plan. So the question is, but we have to have a town plan. We have a town plan. No, I know, but one that's not expired. That's what we're working on. I know. But so I'm saying, but it's okay for us to have an expired town plan. I don't think we have a choice right now. Right. And till 2020, like it's okay for that to happen. Yes. The same question. What's the danger? Right. Yeah, I don't know. The danger according to bitch is that we will not be eligible for certain grants. That's right. Kind of like a chicken and egg situation. We were going to get a grant to help us do the town plan. Right. But we can't get that grant because we haven't done the new town plan. Right. Right. So that grant was that we went after was not particularly to redo the town plan, but to do a transportation study. That would have been part of the town plan. It would have been part of the town. Right. Yeah. So it is a little bit of stuff too. I can't someone like throw up like with mill somewhere. If we don't have a town plan that don't zoning regs are stolen. That's only right. It's that we can't change the zoning regs without it co agreeing with the town plan. It all comes from the planning commission. I mean, the support can't jump ahead. Right. Right. Right. So all right. So when did when did the zoning rights expire? They don't. I don't think they do. But if people if you want to make changes to them, they can't it can't be done if they don't coincide if they don't agree with what the town plan says. So I think that there were some changes that people wanted to make in the zoning regs that they couldn't make because it didn't agree with what the town plan. So then the idea was, okay, we'll change the town plan so that you can then adjust some of these zoning regs. So just now we had to redo the town plan anyway. Right. Exactly. Yeah. But okay. So we just yeah. Now we're just waiting for timeline from the planning commission. Oh, okay. I'm going to ask you before you got off. If you had any idea what that timeline looks like. Yeah. I think that the current planning commission would like to think there would be something in place by late summer. I don't think it's possible. Okay. Did you get any bites on the paper that you were advertising a position for the planning zero bites? Oh, excellent. Be careful. No, no, no. They need one one very for like one brief Wednesday. And so if you were interested, you could submit a letter and then we could put you on the agenda for the 18th. You can be the stopgap, but then you'd have to run again, but you'll need 15 to six inches. Oh, I'm just curious. Curiosity. Yeah. It's a good thing. Okay. Good. All right. So are we done with that? Okay. We need more young people. Wow. We're doing really well. It's quarter to six. Yes. I'll make sure we do. Yeah. For whatever the zoning ranks are. You just can't change the zoning ranks in here in the town, right? Sounds like that's the one to catch. Okay. So I guess we're moving to other business. Do we have enough people that were present at the meeting to approve it? Okay. So we're going to approve this like for minutes. Thanks for coming, budget. Almost approved in minutes of November 13th. All those in favor? All right. They have been approved. The November 13th minutes. Replacing 10 fluorescent lights in the town clerk's office with LEDs for $1,500 with a $300 rebate. Anyone have discussion about this? Sarah, would you like to talk about this? Peter asked for this to happen. Yep. Not here, but that's what he wanted. Okay. It's these lights here because the upstairs one is really placed. Okay. All right. We'll have it. I generally think that's a good idea. Yeah. And it's going to have a nicer color. We'll have a nicer color, the last longer, more energy efficient. Yeah. It's the energy efficient. Yeah. Perfect. Did you get it? Did you get a rebate? Yeah. Maybe you can help me fill it out because I'm in trouble with the form. I'll move approval on this. Okay. I'll second. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. So we have approved the new lights at $1,500 for the $300 rebate. Is that something that you would do take care of that $300 rebate for? Yes. Allocating $250 for a winter learn to swim program in conjunction with Waterbury wreck action likely. So could you explain what Mitch said? Right. So the Waterbury recreation department has a learn to swim program that's run in the winter at first foot. And they have a certain number of kids they can have and they came up short. So they asked if middle sex kids or Mitch maybe could join. But so Mitch would like $225 per kid allocated from the town fund students. So kids in middle sex would receive the same discount that the Waterbury kids would receive. Okay. So that would be, so do they need 10 kids? They don't need 10 kids, but it's up to $250. Maybe they can motion it up to $250. Okay. Anyone have any discussion about that? I do. I'm not on the select one, but I do. Runny itself runs a winter wellness program right after the holidays. I think it starts and it either runs, it was six weeks, they might have cut it back to four weeks. But if one of the options is for swimming for kids. Right. So not lessons, but just not lessons, but just in the pool or something like that. I don't know when this program takes place, if it's like weekends or nights or when it is, but there is that program that the school is already, and the kids have the option of skating, swimming, or skiing, I believe. They did that when my kids were there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think just given the fact that swimming is a valuable lesson, I mean a valuable tool for people to have the skill of swimming that if we, you know, we're able to get some kids so that it could happen, I'm certainly for that. Because I think too, we might actually possibly get a better turnout in the winter than in the summer, just based on people with busy schedules and things like that. Just give something, you know. So anyway, I don't have any problems with it. Anyone else? Thoughts on that? Is that for this winter? Yeah, I think it is. Steve, any thoughts? I'm fine with it. Anyone want to make a motion? So, up to the 250. Yeah. 25. So that'd be 10 kids, I guess. Yeah. Did someone second that? Second. All those in favor? All right. I opposed. What happens if you have more than 25 kids that want 10 kids? They probably won't take more than they can go beyond 10. No, so probably first 10. Okay, so I haven't looked at the orders yet. So I will look at those. Yeah, okay. Cool. And do you actually know, Durand, how much is left in the fund for the what's next, middle sex? I don't. Actually, if you just, it's written on a separate order, so I think you can figure it out very easily. Because we had the what's next, we had the Vermont Community Fund loan and the WEC loan. Right, and then you had a WEC grant. Outside donation of, was that 500? I think it was 500. Okay, so I didn't know about that. I thought that went to like, I don't know, the food shelf and the local foods fundraiser, but it was given to this fund. It was given, it was designated for this fund. So my guess is there's almost $1,000 there left. Yeah, I didn't, she didn't leave until 6.30 last night. All right, so here is, so you're telling me that this is what's been spent. That's what we dispersed today. All right, so, and then I just don't remember what the original Community Loan Fund grant was. It was like an uneven dollar amount, but I can look at that. It was like 2,000 something. Okay, cool. All right, correspondence. Oh, reaction to junk ordinance letters. So did someone respond to that? Yeah, Tammy Horan was not happy. Okay, she sent an email complaining about the fact that the letter that, you know, I said on behalf of the board, the first letter had been delayed, it hadn't been sent right away, and I tried to explain to her that that was because the person making the complaint had some worries that she would get the letter, be mad, and then do nothing. And in fact, she decided to, she got the letter, she's mad, and she's not going to do anything. Okay, so I followed up by calling Bulldox, and it turns out that they have a guy from Barry who will call you up and give you, say, I'll give you this much for your cars, and I'll pick them up and drag them to Bulldox. He does it two or three times a day. Yeah, he helped someone just the other month for that. Did you? Yeah. So I sent that to her, and I have not heard anything less, and Peter did sign that letter, so it's not just for me. So what is our next plan of action? Well, they're here to select for us. I know. So, I mean, but what does it say in, I have to look at Doug Gordon's again. The ordnance is that after 30 days, if they don't do anything, you can find them, I think it's something like up to $50 a day for not complying with your events. Okay, so we haven't, you haven't, you know, the letter was mailed out November 15th, or something like that, so you have some time, it'll be something to address at the next meeting, but I thought that I would let you guys know in case Timmy calls or, okay, gives you an earful. Yeah. So, so you said the letter went out the 15th? Right. Okay. So, then we should have it on the next agenda because we want to follow through with this. Right. We're sending out the letters. We have to follow through. We have to follow through. Where's the property? Daniels Farm Road. Okay. Any other business that may come before the board? Do you want to mention something? Yeah, we're going to discuss the Kellogg-Harvard Library special article petition. So, right now the select board requires a petition as for the other special articles, and Tom McCone is the executive director of the library asked me to bring this up. The other member talents, the other contributor talents to Kellogg-Harvard Library don't require this except Worcester, William Worcester, the only one. So, the request is that the select board put that article on the town morning without requiring a petition. Is that requiring a petition? That requires an extra layer of work for the library. So, it's something that we as a select board would decide to put on or no? Similar to the way you put the conservation of $5,000 on. You'd have to be in your budget. It's like us, yeah, that we're doing, yeah. I don't... It's an extra layer of work for them. I don't... Most of the other towns in the city don't have it. I'm not comfortable putting that in the budget. It's something you have to do actionable right now. Right. I realize that. You have to do it in your next move. Yeah. It would still be a special article with all the others. Right. But it doesn't... Oh, you're saying it's a special article? You just don't require a petition? It's just not required signatures. So, it's not in the budget. It's the select one for the cells. There's only one right now that the select board does. That's the conservation fund. And so, Peter feels very strongly about this, and Mary, I know, feels very strongly about this. There's nothing you can do, but you can put it when you... You can bring it to... We can put it on the agenda for the 18th. Sure. And how do they feel about it? Their argument has been that people should work for it. Yeah. You should get the backing of the voters on the petitions first. I mean, they're on... We get to receive an awful lot of petitions. How much is the Kelly Pepper Library asking for this year, do you know? The same as last year. I have to look in the town report to tell you what it is. Why is the conservation commission treated differently? I don't know if you'd have to have Peter or those guys with a statue to the... Well, it's... I would think because they're a town entity and not an outside entity. The logic for the library would be it's the closest thing to a town entity. Oh, all of these special articles. Yeah. Do you guys want that to go on an agenda? Yeah, I think so. Okay. Any other business that may come before the board? No? Well, let's see. There does seem like there was one other thing that I can't remember. We had a bat here. Yes. Oh, did you get any calls on the clusterfly cleanup? I actually, as a matter of fact, Susan Rickstead is the only one who responded. She lives right next door. She used to have a cleaning business. So there you go. She looked pretty good. Georgia, I have a question. Oh, what's the deadline for petitions? I have... In case this doesn't pass. It's all on the town website. I have all the forms. I think I just... I'm trying to keep the deadline for the petition versus the deadline for nominations are two different deadlines. One's January 28th and one's January 17th. I think the petitioned articles are January 17th. And to run again or to run for a board is January 28th. So, but also that is all on our website. You can... Those are petitions that downloaded. I've had those there since July. It did occur to me just due to this power outage that we had to that that I think can I get a copy of that emergency, like the latest emergency management with like some of the people that may need to get contacted that are on our emergency list. I think I've got a PDF. Yeah, if you could send that because I... Is that on the website too? No. Well, the names of the people like to... Yeah. Contact when there's a power outage or something like that. I had consent to it. Yeah, we have the vulnerable population. Is what's his name Paul Atenty? He's not living in middle sex right now. No, they're actually just digging the foundation. Yeah, okay. So, so he's not necessarily attuned to what is actually happening in our town. Well, he was here last week. Well, I don't know about that. Okay. I'd say very attuned to what happened in the town. I just spent like with the pet, like he knows that there's a power outage going on. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He was here during... All right. He's on top of it more than we are. Oh, good. All right. He's here a lot for not living in town. Is he? Yeah. Yeah, all is fine. That's good. All is on. All right. Is that it? Did you get from Jeremy Hansen, the central amount internet report for the prior town reports? I might have. Okay. I'll check with you later. But that's a good thing to put into the town report. Thank you for reminding me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, by law, we have to... Oh, you do? The chair has to send that out. If you don't, if you didn't, or you didn't get it, I certainly have a copy. I can give it to you. Okay. I'm sure it's... We're just compiling everything now. I'm kind of ahead of the meeting. All right. Anything else? All righty. We're adjourning the meeting at 5.57.