 Order the January 22nd meeting of the Mobbular Planning Commission. The agenda says we're going to review Zoom procedures. Do we need to do that mic or is that just to recycle? We're good. We don't have anyone here. So everybody's got all of their rights and privileges. Okay. In that case, we're going to move on to approve the agenda. So I need a motion to approve the agenda. In a second. Second. I didn't hear the, the first. Who was, who was the first? Oh, I don't know. I thought, I thought you were calling for a second. I will move that we approve the agenda curve. Okay. Yeah. Sorry. That's my fault. I said I need a motion that I need a second. So we have, we have a motion to approve by Gabe. Do we have a second? I will second. Okay. Second from Maria. Those in favor of approving the agenda say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Last week when we were talking about procedure, see how procedure sucks. But moving on. Comments from the chair. I don't have a lot right now, except to just to remind everyone. About the February 14 and February 28. City council meetings where our zoning will be up. Our next meeting will be February 12. So we will have another meeting. We will have a meeting before that starts. But just keep that on everyone's radar and to. Reach out to people, especially for the February 28th, where there'll be a vote. Yeah, reach out to your networks to have. A showing of people who care about these issues. Anybody else have anything we have a light agenda tonight. So if anyone else was. Wondering about something or wanted to discuss something. We can do that now during comments. And we have. We'll have time after. So if anything, something occurs anyone later. Kirby, I was just, I know we talked about it earlier today at the playground that was just curious if Mike had any. Any comments about the housing bill that's kind of working its way through. Legislature right now. I don't have any details on the home act to I heard there was a home act to but I haven't gotten into taking a detailed look at what's in it. It's got supposedly had some repairs in it. I don't know if you can see there was a similar to what we're talking about. Allowing up to four units. They may there also may be a requirement that sewer and water allow smaller lots. So we may have to look at that in the future, but it depends what gets passed and what goes through. I kind of oppose those a little bit. I am not a big fan of the, all the requirements coming down like that. But we can, we'll see what, what comes through on those. I've mostly been paying attention to the budget adjustment acts because those have money for people who have homes that were substantially damaged. So we're trying to see if we can get money so we can help elevate. Lift up the houses for people to get them fixed and to have some other. Buyouts or other other. Money's available to them. We've got about 10 properties we're trying to work with. And so I that's I testified on that bill. It's a week week and a half ago. So we're kind of hoping we hear about that one soon. But the other ones I haven't followed too much. They tend to change so much right at the start. We'll have a better sense after usually after town meeting day after those have been kicked around for a while. And people have had an opportunity to put stuff in take stuff out. Okay. That's a good question. Does anybody have anything else on their minds? Planning related. Okay, then. We'll move along and the next thing on the agenda is general business for. Any comments from the public about something not on the agenda. We do not have members of the public and the meeting right now. So. We will bypass that and move on to the next item, which is to review and approve changes to community services story board prepared by Aaron. We don't have Aaron here. I was not noticing. Edits on the Google drive page. Do you see any of my edits at all on it? I'm just curious. Not on the community services draft that's in the full. No, I didn't get anything from him. I was just trying to open up the document to see if there were any changes on it. But if you've already looked it up. No, there's just comments from you. Mike, but there's no markup. On the page. Not on the community services draft that's in the folder for. The story board. Okay, that that was probably the shinier one. So let me let me ask you, Mike, did you see any of my edits on your draft for Google? I'm just trying to see whether or not it translates. So some of the things you had were, I believe it was a change from staff to personnel. And then just one note, just in the language. Yeah, I don't see anything in the community services draft. But even your for your Google, your Google docs. There's, there's nothing for anything that you've put on the Google docs. You don't see any of my edits for what you were drafting. No. Okay, so let me, I'll go back to it, not now, but I'll go back to it. I'll see whether or not I can a screen capture or whether or not it actually stuck and see whether or not do because am I am I under the misunderstanding that I'm not able to edit or am I able to edit. You should be able to, we generally try to use track changes. Right. Yeah, definitely. But you should be able to make changes to the document. You have permissions. Okay. I mean, we got two hours, or if it's short, either way, I'll look into it and I'll see what possibly has occurred. Thanks, y'all. Well, so in the spirit of trying to get this through, what do people feel about something like this? Everyone review it right now. I'm not sure it's a good idea for all of us to be making edits at the same time. But I'll go through and I'll make whatever edits I see I just skimmed it and I actually it's not very long and there's not a lot. I can take the first round of edits and everyone else just review it and let's just do it in real time real quick right now. So it sounds good. Seems like the most efficient thing to do. My quick question. This the cemetery commission and department is, is that it's like regular name or is there a cemetery commission and a cemetery department? Or is it just one entity? Cemetery commission and the cemetery department are two, two different things. Okay. In childcare, should we mention the, the preschool offered by union elementary school? Yeah, you certainly can add something in if there's something I'm missing. I'm just wondering if it isn't not worthy enough if we, or if there was a reason it was excluded. I'd like to ask a question regarding the community service chapter draft. When it, when it mentions the parks and located in Hubbard Park, the Montpelier parks and trees department stores and natural spaces of Montpelier. The natural beautiful, beautifying. What, what is that set to state totally in action. It's, it's page one on. Yeah. No, I'm trying to just I'm trying to track what your question was. There's a lot of trees in the, in the river that have fallen into the river. So is this, are these the cleanups along the river is it possibly dangers of Montpelier properties and homeowner properties that trees that may need to be taken down. What, what, what's the responsibility in that statement. So the trees, the, the, the parks department and the trees, I don't know what they call the trees department. But we have a tree board and most of their work is to care for any of the city's trees so that are those are trees that exist within the road right of ways. And then trees within the parks, so they will go down and take down dangerous trees. And a lot of their work over the past couple of years has been the removal of the ash trees that are the damaged by the emerald ash borer. And probably a tree that's fallen in the river probably would not be something the tree department would go and take care of. Okay, thank you. Let me ask you this too. I remember it's amazing, you know, some of the things we had to do also during the pandemic and then prior to that but I had to go take a course while trucking about how to extinguish lantern lantern flies. And the larva that would build up in the water collected in the rims of your truck as you did your 10 hour reset. So I'm wondering is, is you mentioned the species that are doing things like that is there is there an anticipated budget for, you know, evasive species and things like that. And what do you do you know where I could find the percentage of how that's budgeted. I don't know that I do know they have. I think the budget for the trees is mostly tied into paying we have we have an arborist. There is a city arborist who is paid. And he's either full time or almost full time. And he works to to take care of the trees. The conservation commission does look out for other invasive species, probably, you know, the two that they do the most with their the emerald ash borer and the go down there near the wetlands and the rivers Japanese knot weed. You see them see the Japanese knot weed look kind of looks like this bamboo we read like thing that it's an invasive plant that grows up near usually near waterways. And they're very, very difficult to get rid of. So I know they track those I don't know if they're tracking any of the other ones most of the other species are probably tracked at the state level. And not as much at the local level, but so there's no participated budget. That's all I'm asking I'm just seeing whether or not there's an incremental budget for that. But that's you. That's cool. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, I think the budget would probably be in the trees budget. If you if you emailed Alec Ellsworth, he's the parks director he would have the breakdown of what the trees budget is and I think probably the emerald emerald ash borer budget. There isn't such a thing, but it's mostly the fact that we increased in like 2019 we added used to be a part time position. I think it became a full time position for the the arborist because there were so many ash trees in the city that needed to be taken down that he would work full time to take down as many trees as he can. And when you said you said Alex Ellsworth is that el s w o r h t h. To else to else. Okay, thank you. Okey dokey. Let's run through the chapter. And feel free to point something out if I if I skip something or if you have another thing to point out here. So in the first paragraph. Looks like, okay, the first paragraph just changed a few words. The changes there related to, I didn't want to look, I didn't want to use phrasing to look like we were acting better than other towns or anything. So I changed that a bit. There's some highlights here or those Mike's highlights or is that someone else subjects services and full service. Okay, so did you have some stuff on that Maria? Yeah, it was just the community services are a unique subject. So I was thinking maybe a better phrasing will be a community services chapter is unique is a unique subject among plan chapters, just so that the verb and subject agree. Good point. Do you want to make those changes? I can just do that. Yeah, you should be able to if it's under suggesting. And I didn't know. I'm sorry. No, go ahead. Like a full service city is like a term of art. I don't really know what that means. I had the same thought. Yeah, I mean, we use that a lot people have. We certainly use that expression a lot. And I've heard it a lot over the past 10 years, whether it's a term of art or whether it's known enough to be able to use in the plan. That's up to you. A lot of times people ask, you know, why do we have higher taxes. There's a lot of types of questions and really it comes down to, you know, some communities may have a parks department. Some may have recreation. Some may have a senior center. Some may have a fire department. Some may have police, but very few cities have all of them. And Montpelier is one of those communities that has all of this. If there if there is one out there, we've got it. We've got a community justice center. We've got a senior center. A lot of places like Berry City may have, you know, a community justice center and a senior center, but they're both nonprofits that are operating outside of the city government. We've put them in our city government places may or may not have a recreation department. We have offered childcare or summer daycare or some of the summer programs that we have. Not many cities or towns have that. So we usually say we're full service, not, you know, as Bill would point out, not because we've, you know, a lot of communities have a lot of services. But very few of them have all the services and we just happen to be one that has just about every service. So, Is the planning commission interested in changing the wording of that sentence to spell that out? Or are we okay with just using the term full service city? If I recall, that's not the first time that term is used in the plan. I think we've, there's, there's been other instances where I don't think we changed the term. It's a bit obtuse for the newbie, but if you guys are okay with it, I am too. I mean, at this point, there's, you know, I'm kind of just getting onto the train. Any other thoughts? We can change it. Won't be a big deal to rephrase that. I mean, does it offer, I guess what I'm trying to come up to speed to it doesn't matter. It's just about whether people understand or configure out based on the context here, what it means. Okay. So, and is it up for argument? Yeah, we can change it. I'm not asking that. I'm asking from the, from our stakeholder standpoint, has it, from prior experiences, has it been a sticking point in wording? Not that I'm aware of. Mike, do you, has anybody? No, not that I, I mean, a lot of our plan hasn't gone through a full public process. Most of these chapters are still new and haven't made their way to a full public process. So is this, so this is something that is, we're not revamping something that's already been out there. We're, this is from the ground up. I'm, like I said, I was telling you earlier, Mike, on the call that I called you earlier, I'm coming up to speed on some things that are patterned, and I recognize patterns. And so this one here, it's kind of fleshing out. So is this, is this a draft that is unseen ever within Mount Piliers, our stakeholders? This particular one has not been reviewed by another group. The implementation plan was reviewed that, and we reviewed that a few meetings back. So there's a parks implementation, there's an implementation strategy with aspirations, goals and strategies for parks, recreation, senior setters, cemetery, homelessness, conflict assistance and childcare. And all of those were reviewed by the respective committees. The community services chapter was not I wrote this out based on what I learned in those other meetings. So, and I'll mention it now because you weren't here when I mentioned it in the past. All these anytime I've written these chapters. I have, I have no pride when it comes to these. There are a lot of people who are better at the creative writing side of things. And so I always support anyone who wants to go in and make amendments to make things more readable and just convey ideas better. So, yes, I put this together as a draft and we can go through and make edits. Yeah, I'm surprised my, my edits didn't stick, but I'm, I've already read, read things. I need to keep some lights low at this point. So I'm not really able to kind of view everything in real time with everyone again but like I said the last meeting I did read everything. But there, I just, I need to, I didn't really thank you for clarifying that this is something that's going to be kind of going out. I just, I guess I'm also trying to understand is there this is go this is for public consumption. Correct. And it will be what happens next with the storyboard is it will is that I will send this to SE group who are our consultants and they will take this exact text and they will put it into the storyboard and then they'll add the pictures and they'll add the other pieces and build out a storyboard with the all the attached photos and maps. Okay, then that will end up being the piece that goes to the public. So is the portion say, say the public acts or reacts to wording in an adverse way, hypothetically, is there a room for editing to, you know, kind of, or is this set in stone as far as what we're, what we're putting out there. There's once there, this is going to be the first draft that goes out the public is going to give comments and all throughout the planning commission process. There's room to edit and make changes. And so that's this there's plenty of time for things to be changed. You know, if people, you know, once we get to the public, we'll start to know how close we came to hitting things on the mark. And I think I mentioned in other meetings, maybe before you were here that, you know, we're going to have 11 or 12 chapters. And we may find that, you know, eight or nine of those chapters really kind of go through nobody really has a lot of comments on, but there's always something somewhere. And so then we'll end up with three or four chapters that will have a lot more conversations on and get a lot more in depth on whether that's housing or land use for economic development. But we'll, we will end up having bigger conversations and hopefully, like I said, it's only one or two or three chapters and not nine or 10 chapters because that'll make the public hearing process go long, but public hearing process takes as long as it takes. And if we miss the mark, then we're going to have to make a lot of edits to kind of make things comfortable. Or we get a lot of negative comments and you guys decide you're going to vote at the city council anyway, so it's it's your technically it's your choice then when it gets to city council they can change it all over again so there's plenty of places to change it until city council votes. Yes to adopt it. Okay, so I thank you for that I just wanted to understand. You know, I do understand the process of editing. I want to see how necessary the process of editing is at this. It seems to me to be a very early stage within a lot of hands of touching it. So even what we do may not even get to the final. So, I just need to understand the flow. Thanks. Yeah, good questions. Good questions Carlson. Maria, I just tried to accept your version of the final sentence of this paragraph, and it just disappeared when I hit the check mark. I don't know. I just I added at the end of by providing an array of community for a full array of community services. Okay, to give a residence. Yeah, I think it's good opportunity to thrive and grow. Yeah. Okay, so hopefully we don't get too bogged down. So this last sentence is now instead of referring to the full service city, just to be clear to people who are on acquainted with it. We've changed it so that says, while all communities provide services to the city government of all pillar attempts to provide the needs of all residents by providing. Oh, that's not what I see. Attempts to address. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. That was just my brain and not what was on the page. City government of all pillar attempts to address the needs of all residents by providing a full array of community services to give all residents the opportunity to thrive and grow. We said all residents twice in a row there. Can change the last one to them. Maybe is that good with everyone is that is that clearer than before. I like it Kirby that's good. Anybody else have anything or move on. The next thing is under planning context under the 1st. Well, yeah, I guess it's a paragraph. Yeah, it is. It looks like maybe Maria highlighted overlap and to anticipate what she was getting out there. There's a great deal. I just now added it was a great deal of overlap between some departments. Is that is that the thing you're thinking of Maria or something else? Oh, I assume that the overlap is but not between departments but also between like the roles and mission of those departments. Do you see I think I have a comment there. So, it was understood that there's a great deal of overlap in their mission responsibilities, you know, to try to specify exactly what is overlapping. Okay. And then I was also wondering. What, which of them have been combined into the community services department because seems that parks recreation. And the cemetery are their own departments but are they also. Cemetery is still separate but parks recreation and senior center have all been combined. So there are departments within departments. Yeah, they haven't quite gotten to the point of changing titles I think they will soon to kind of maybe make them. Divisions or something to that effect. The the issue. Not that it matters so much here but it was we used to have a lot of separate departments and each one was a department head. And everybody had been here for a very long time so it became very difficult to combine the departments into one. But they did so they combined everybody into a community services department. And they now try to have a community service department head. But when they tried to do it at the start it became awkward that suddenly one person would become the boss over somebody who had originally. And for the past 20 years been a department head. So they kind of kept calling them the parks department the wreck department in the senior center. All separate departments and now there's a new senior center person who is I believe she's a coordinator. So she's not a department head. Recreation. I think he Arnie is the department head of the community services department now. And the parks department is still called the parks department. But he technically is under the community services umbrella. Where were these all positions that were changed and I don't want to get into the weeds either I just want to understand where these all positions that were recently changed based off of the budget cuts of each one. This goes back to like 2016 so it was under different mayoral administration who kind of had the same idea. They were a little bit more interested in streamlining and. So they wanted those combined. Just as a way to try to you know remove some you know so we don't have as many department heads and kind of have fewer fewer fewer at that level of the. Administrative umbrella I guess. No I understand top heavy as far as money is concerned. Yeah what I'm trying to understand is in order to make that change based off of what you stated as legacy with sounds like legacy salaries. Did did people leave new people get in place at a reduced rate. And if that happened was that you know because the senior center is you know experiencing some budget cuts and have and other departments because we need to consolidate but I just wanted to understand whether or not that was. When when did the you said 2016 so at one point was the budget considered based off of the legacy salaries. Yeah I haven't looked at what the salary what the salaries were of of my. Other employees that are you know fellow. Department heads so I don't know when Jeff Beyer left in Alec Ellsworth was hired for parks I don't know where Alex salary is Arnie is still at recreation he's been at recreation he's the one who's now the director. Senior center has gone through a number of different directors. So I don't know where the newest salary is compared to the previous ones. I think it was more a matter of just trying to. Once there was there was a lot of you know actually as Maria points out there's a lot you know there's some mission overlap and there's some responsibility overlap and I think that was. True and. It makes a lot of sense if you have one department that you can operate more seamlessly between them. I would I guess the best example I could give is for like scheduling if you wanted to participate in. A recreation. Program. You know I try to think of something in the something at the rec fields during summer you want to go swimming you want to get a pass to go to the swimming pool. Or you want to register for classes at the senior center well we used to have two different people one person who was taking care of the recreation department or the recreation stuff. And one person who is taking care of the senior center stuff because they were their own departments. And that's somebody who would sell. Tickets for their stuff and recreation for there so now we have one. If you want to do something in community services we have one person who can help you get whatever. Let me let me ask you a question just one other question who's responsible for auditing that and if it's something that has was something that was always or not always I should say. I'm not standing before restructured. Why was it then important to look at it after so long and who's responsible for auditing that is my question and can things be looked at in the audit for automation to save more money where it can be. I think they I think they are I'm not intimately familiar with theirs that would be a good question for Kelly Murphy. She's the assistant city manager and Kelly is the person who works with kind of Arnie's boss. So you can either work with Arnie or work with or ask Kelly, either one of them has a pretty good grasp of a lot of things and they are now doing more computer connection between them and more automated signups for different things. So there's there's a lot more of that. But I don't know all the details that would be a question that you'd have to go directly to them for and you know how effective has it been that would be another question that would really go to the go to their department about how well they feel this this has. This merger of department. Merged department works. Okay, and again I'm not I'm not looking at the document exactly so I'm not sure when you mentioned Arnie what's Arnie's last name. McMullen. All right, thank you. All righty. Good I'm glad that you're just adding the stuff in there Maria because I was losing track a little bit. I just want to make it clear which departments were part of the new community services department. I, when I read that I got confused, but I figured. Yeah. Just Justice Center technically did not get merged into those, but parks recreation and senior center work. Cemetery was left separate because they're kind of an odd formation, the cemetery commission is actually outside of city government, kind of weird. They get elected separately and have their own, and they hire their own staff, but their staff kind of work under the city's umbrella so they get city benefits so it's kind of a weird thing that's why we, we wanted to merge them in but we couldn't. At least not at this time. And then the community justice center, the CJC is they've kind of always operated separately and independently. They are fully grant funded through the state. And so they. They're they don't fit as well in with the parks recreation and senior center from the standpoint of having. Similar similar missions that overlap. They really don't overlap that much with with those 3. I think that makes sense. Is everyone content with the state of that paragraph. Yeah. You said you think so Carlson. Yeah. Yeah, everything's so fascinating to me because I was just reading about in the history of Montpelier the cemetery and cemetery between Miss Kelly, Kellogg, and her passing and then Park. It's it's always the, the how that became a came about has been interesting so I'm curious to go down a rabbit hole as far as why there's a anomaly within the and how can there be a privatized and public entity within like the benefits but yet outside of the state. How that works, but it's all interesting. I'm just commenting. Yeah. So for the. So for the sub sections below about parks recreation center. I just. The only changes I really had there was to remove finally from some of the sentences just because there's not. Not a lot of content there. I didn't think we needed to do that. And then the specification about the cemetery commission and cemetery department. And then there's the thing at the bottom about union. Maria, did you have some you had some things within there. I think that that. Yeah, I thought just. Let me go back. The previous paragraphs about. The recreation department parks department specifies. What kinds of things that they do and the senior center too. And so I thought it made sense for childcare that last sentence is kind of odd. But. Just saying that they do provide after school care and summer camps, you know, just to give to flush that paragraph out a little bit more. Yeah, go ahead. I saw your comment, but it's not included right now. Mike, were there any other types of childcare activities provided besides. After school and summer. That the recreation department does. Yeah, the city through recreation. Such as after school and summer camps. At this time. Yes, and we'll see where it goes. So they did get licensed. The recreation department did get a license to operate a childcare facility. And so one thing they had wanted to do, and especially once we've got once we purchased the. Country club road site. We had the opportunity to try to. Add infant care. So that wouldn't be necessarily just an after school, but it would be. Having a child care program that would be. You know, throughout the day that would be staffed to just provide additional. You know, additional space for infant care, because that's 1 that is in desperate need. So they wanted to be able to try to provide that. I don't think. It's worked out for some reason that would be 1 for Arnie, but it was certainly 1 that was identified when we talked about economic development. And when we talked about services, when we when we talked about the implementation strategy for childcare, we talked about. The city's interest in providing infant care. Because it is needed and because we are actually licensed and we actually do have a building that. Would be okay for doing it, but. I think in our current financial situation, I don't think we'll be. Moving that idea forward until after. At least till for another year, but it's an idea that's been on that has been discussed and. They've moved, moved along the road on that again, Arnie would have most of the information on that if people needed. Details of what's going on, but what we are doing, we are doing after school and we are doing the summer camps. Okay. That's good. Side note here, I'm sitting next to this window that was not updated because of historic preservation reasons, and I'm freezing. And I'm just, and that's planning related. We've heard we've heard some testimony from historic preservation experts that the windows things not a problem. Nice. In my current life right now it's a problem. Awesome. Kirby, that was a good tie in man. That was really, that was sweet. I'm, I am, I'm freezing. Three M. Can you do some three M. You should feel good to know that we, you were, you were part of the process of changing the zoning that means that window can now be upgraded. So. I guess there's a lag because they're here. Maybe, maybe when the landlord did the updates here was before we made that change. So, moving on synergies. I just had a few little things that are just little edits at the bottom. Instead of concentrating on wanting tourists to spend money here. I thought we'd hide that a little bit and say contribute to the community. Definitely good. That's all I had. Maria, did you have something you wanted to insert there? Well, I think I had like two questions. One is whether there's going to be internal linking within the document so that like when the facilities and utilities chapters mentioned like there will there be like a hyperlink to that chapter. Is that kind of linking going to happen? It's certainly possible. We'll have to look when they start to roll them out. I'm sure it's something it's not difficult to do. Yeah, no. And then my other question, and I think we've talked about this before is whether we're capitalizing the different chapters or whether there are lower things. Yeah, we'll have to make that consistent. Yeah, because there are a lot of those that we'll have to go through once we're all done to make sure that everything is written in the same tenor intense and you know, do we talk about our city or do we talk about the city? You know, and there's a lot of those types of ones. We'll just have to make sure we make a decision on at some point. How personalized we make it. Mike, can I ask you a question is as far as the when you say, you know, we're going back and forth with the consultants and they're going to look at this. Have they been paid or they get do they get paid by the hour? Like, what's the breakdown as far as budget and when are we satisfied at and what what's the what's the stop at as far as cost with going back and forth and then creating actions. We have a contract with them. We didn't an RFP request for proposal and they were the only one that applied, I believe, for this contract. And no, actually, we had to. We had two people apply. We chose SE group. And so they send us invoices every month, every other month for the for the time they work on it, but it's a contract for a fixed amount of money. And we have an update to the contract, which was approved this year to help finish up the rest of the plan. So they've I think we paid them $20,000 so far. And we've got another $10,000 grant for them. So I think that's the amount of money we we have with them right now. So if this were to, if we were to go past that budget, is there a vote to, you know, extend the budget, so to speak, or is at one point we're, you know, do we say, OK, we need to present this at this point. Well, we're hoping this new contract is supposed to because this is the last other that we have one chapter left. We've done 10 of the 11 chapters that we had scheduled to do the only chapter we have left to do now is land use. So all the other chapters, this is the last piece of the last chapter is community services. They've been starting they've been building these things out. They have a bunch of stuff built out. They just haven't. They haven't gotten to get them all published and put up there. But when we get more pieces, we'll go through and, you know, my hope is, you know, I've been saying this for a while. It's just trying to get to a point where we can roll out some of them. I'm hoping to at least get, you know, maybe six if we can roll out six chapters and start to get public comments. I don't want to overwhelm the public. I don't want to put 11 chapters out there and have people say too much, too much, too much. So if we can either break it into thirds where we go out and do a round of public hearings on four of the chapters or six of the chapters, break it in half. So they're going to help. They're not doing the public outreach part, but they're kind of our technical pieces behind the scenes. So when we say we don't like that picture, change that picture, we don't like that. So that wording, use this wording instead and they'll go through and make all those edits for us. But most of the work, we've done a majority of the heavy lifting, whether it's my, whether it's me or you guys going through and reviewing them. We've done most of the hard work of actually writing the text. They're kind of putting together and they're kind of the graphic designers and making it look pretty. And that's what we leave to them and then see what they come up with. And we can go through and say, no, we don't like that. But at this point, we have the format. We can't change that. We have our template. It is that the template was decided by the planning commission previously. That's why we talk about synergies. And what was it here? Introduction, planning, context, synergies, implementation summary and who's involved. Those were all decided by the planning commission and now they'll build it out and make it look nice. I get that. I want to again try to, I use these opportunities as I can. So we're pretty much paying them in as long as we try to figure it out, they're still getting paid. Yes. So if we wrap this up relatively quick and there weren't very many changes, they'll probably end up getting less in their contract. And if it goes past the grant deadline, because the grant deadline I think goes into 2025, so I would hope it does not go past the grant deadline. If it goes past the grant deadline, then we may have to just pay them or get another grant. We may, depending if we still have edits to make. I've also had some consultants who said the amount of time it's taking right now, because you're not making major changes every time you need to make a little change, I'll make the little change. Don't worry about it. So we will cross that bridge when we get to it, but hopefully this should be the last grant and the last process so we can start going through and having that public process. Okay. Thank you. So I went and looked at some of our other chapters and we have been consistently from what I saw capitalizing the name and the word chapter. And in some cases we use the word plan interchangeably with chapter. And we've capitalized that also. So we should be capitalizing these that's been our convention it seems. So if you see any other things and I went ahead and change some just now but if you see any other things need to be capitalized. Let me know or change it. Did you have anything else Maria. Did you have anything else Maria. No, okay. Did you. You should grab before I shouldn't see it. No. I did notice Mike that down below. And there was some capitalization and consistency. The implementation summary, but I didn't touch that because that's the aspirations and stuff and like I'm not. So, just, just going to note that that there might be some needs and the aspirations and goals and things to watch for capitalization. But like I said, I didn't want to, I didn't want to mess with those because those are things we voted on and are set. Although I think I don't know making a capitalization change. I don't think would have any legal ramifications, but didn't anyway. Just, just note that. Okay, would we like to vote on this language for the storyboard. Or does anybody have anything else before we do that. Let's vote on it. Do we have a motion to approve the language with the edits we've made here tonight. Mike, would it help you if I went ahead and actually accepted the edits before we. It's up to you if you want to accept them or I can go through afterwards and accept them I usually take. Before I send it off to. Se group I usually go through and. Accept them. Okay, I'll leave it to you to do that because there might be some comments and things that you left. I don't want to accidentally. Mess things up for you. So if everyone's okay. We'll just, we'll just vote without cleaning it up. So, can we have a motion to approve the community services chapter storyboard with the edits made at this meeting. I'll make a motion to approve. Community services chapter, including the edits that have been made at this meeting. Well done. I'll second. Okay, so we have a motion from Maria and a second from Marion. Any discussion before we vote. Okay, those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Any opposed. Any opposed. Any abstain. Okay. So that's a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 0, 0. To approve the storyboard. Mission accomplished. I'm sure something came up with Aaron. It's, it's cool. And the last thing we can do is consider the minutes before we adjourn. So if everyone will take a minute. No pun intended. Looking at the minutes. And we can approve those. Sometimes Tammy mixes in some humor. If you look at the last line, sometimes I think my little stupid jokes on maker for her benefits. We have a motion to approve. Or does anybody notice anything. Correct. I move to approve the minutes. Of January. Thank you. We have a second. I'll second. Okay. So push with more on a second from Ria. Any discussion or any last second. Thing to point out. Okay. Those in favor of. Motion say aye. Aye. Any opposed. Okay. Minutes approved 500. And we can adjourn. Does anybody have anything else to note or. Any comments before we adjourn. By the time we see this, I want to say happy black history month. Black history month. Anything else. Okay. Can we get a motion to adjourn? Yes. Motion from Carlton. Do we have, does Carlton have a second? Second. Second from gate. Okay. Those in favor of adjourning say aye. Okay. See you all in a couple of weeks.