 Great. We're going to call the, it's like we're getting to order and for stuff that's public comment, just anything on the agenda. I have. Okay, go ahead. Just two, I guess. Comments one, I'm hoping that the town report will have the different capital reserve funds listed like it has in the past, and any plans uses of those funds. I think it did two years ago I'm pretty sure it did not have that information last year or so. And I've mentioned this before in another select board meeting, but just, I'm strongly urging the town to include pavement maintenance, like crack ceiling as part of our regular work every year, because, like I've observed some fairly new pavement like two or two years old that already has like a crack down the middle, and basically if we don't take care of things like that, the water gets in there, and we'll end up, we don't spend a little bit of money like every year on that type of work, then we end up spending a lot more money down the road. So, just urging the town to do that kind of preventive maintenance, the road projects. I don't have any more public comment. Anybody online with public comment. They're all staying muted. Good. Approval of the agenda. The approval of the agenda. Second, all those in favor. Mr. Terry's consent calendar meeting minutes Lister's office, no appeal or certificate and warrants. The consent calendar. I will second. All those in favor. Business. First up in the update on the town police department. Nobody has noticed we did not have Trevor with us tonight. He is out of the COVID and upset that his kids will share COVID with him but not their Halloween. Just given a status of where we're at and what we're up against, starting shortly after November. We got a lot of folks reaching out with fears of what was going to happen with the Orange County Sheriff's Department. We've monitored it for a while and noticed that some of the things that were being talked about were happening. So we did get a little bit more than just monitoring and started doing some looking into met with some other departments that surround us met with the state police. Bottom line, nobody could provide the service. Everybody was tapped out. Most of them are short staffed. And the state police especially. So, there was a little bit of effort but not a lot put into what are other options can we bring our department back to life and what does that look like. It didn't take long before we heard that there was not enough. There was a lot of employment by the Orange County Sheriff to even do the basics that they have to do at the county level, saying nothing about meeting their contracts. And there was a lot of discussion around that they were going to let the contracts go, but we wouldn't know until the sheriff was on board. We did fair amount of scrambling and short period of time, that's safe to say. To look at what we do and how we stand back up the police department that the town had for quite a few years. I did look back in the last budget that we approved in the town with the July 18 to June of 19 budget for the entire department. And then we went to the contracted services through Orange County, which was a cost savings, obviously to that district. But now we find ourselves in the boat of having to stand up some level of law enforcement to have that service available in the town. So, we do have some staff that have been hired and Scott can probably fill in some of those more than me because I didn't get a chance to talk to Trevor about it. But we have hired a spot on as the chief. And we've hired the admin person. At this point, but no other officers. And some of what we're happening, what's happened to happen is to reactivate everything that got deactivated when we got rid of the town police force. So all our ability to access all the different computer systems to get different information, even to be able to do things like buy the firearms. Do those type of functions to get it. And, you know, Scott was telling me today we came to apply for some of these grants that will help her pay for these things, because that's number hasn't been reactivated yet. So there's a site visit coming up on Tuesday that will get us one step closer to that. And try to check some more boxes and hopefully get it. This is an agency or I remember. So is that a state certification. Well, it's kind of the update. But the state is one of the gatekeepers that we get through. And they've all been great. They're all helping like this is this is pretty quick that all this is finding its way through the process but just getting over those hurdles I think I want to speak for you if you want to tell them or you're welcome to but you know we believe it's in the three to four week range that will be happening. That's on the very, very, very, very fast track. A lot depends on what happens with the site visit. If there's maintenance because we have to secure the building with the newer renovations and things that will be accountable for the old stations grandfathered in back years and years ago. I think that we're reinstating this we happen to do all that stuff and I don't know what the extent of that is until the second is what we're looking at and that's Tuesday if they're in the morning. What might be some examples of that. I think there are like have to make sure that there's no access a lot of pasta for your mess for the proper signage internal camera inside the building overlooking all exit points and entrance points. We have to make sure like the windows are secured. Those kind of bits and pieces. We can't have any screens that are facing windows. No cameras that look at when our best greens it's all information privacy stuff that's kind of going on right now. The goals of the CDS policies need to be on a book and everybody's up to speed and being able to access that information. Even as far as like janitorial stuff coming in to ensure they're all better through the proper systems that they can access the building without export, or get probably printed and vetted through the stages programs to be able to have access to the building. Very similar to like moving up a fire station. It was perfectly fine where we were but it's going to something happen that changes your scenario now you've got this new standard. Is that pretty let me just make sure we're through with the party. That's where that or I is standing that's our, our major hangout without that or I as tree said we can apply for law enforcement based grants. I can apply for department issued weapons. So like the bulletproof best program that we just tried to handle people apply for and do it without that or I, without that or I number were kind of dead in the water. So we got it we're trying to push that out as fast as we can. Any questions on that. Kelly. I just want to say thank you all for being on the select board and handling all of our town's business. For all of us who feel too busy to to run I do I do deeply appreciate that a lot. I want to say I live in the police district and I pay the tax bill and I'm pretty concerned about a $775,000 police department for the police desperate. I was on the committee in 2018 19 that disbanded the police department. We met for months. We had three public hearings about what our needs for policing were. And we learned quite quite a few things some of them may be relevant information to you all, which I'm hoping Larry can remember some of it. So this budget as as I recall, there are 1500 people living in the police district is that, do you know, is it 2500 people, is it 1500 taxable properties. Yeah, I'm going to ask the listeners to let me know that information but it's a very small group that has to bear this this burden. And when we had these public hearings, a lot of people there are a number of members of the committee from outside the district which I was like do you pay a dime for this why are you weighing in, but whatever like we did have those folks here and a lot of people from outside the district came and testified for us, and it was very very crystal clear one takeaway I remember clearly is that people outside the district don't want to pay a dime for policing. So, they're satisfied with relying on state police for services so the one item in the budget that you have is a $100,000 general fund transfer that that basically shifts the cost to the whole town. So that's the budget, and I'm not sure that those that people outside the district. I know for a fact that they don't want and that that was the status of what we took away from that meeting that they don't want to contribute to policing they don't want that tax burden for the report for them. So that's, that's one concern I have and then of course I'm, I, I don't think that the village, I'm calling the village police district requires for full time police officers and an administrator. The district disbanded the department, just as the department was asking us to float a million dollar bond, asking the district voters only to float a million dollar bond for a new building, when, like, as far as I can tell, but you all know better than I do, we've got like some problems with our water system, and we have a lot of like seems like infrastructure projects we have to be working on so that that was like a complete concern to me was like, where are we going to get a million dollars among these, I think 1500 taxable properties for a building to do this so this budget of 775 is really high out of the gate, and it's only going to grow. And I expect that someone eventually will be looking for a building. And again, it's, it's, it's, it's a really small number of people who have to bear the costs of this. So that's, that's why I will be voting no to this expenditure come come town meeting day. We do a lot of work for months to hear from people, and the types of things people want the types of police services that people wanted. And the types of calls that our police officers were getting would be satisfied by a constable, whether it's a constable who is a lot of licensed, or a certified law enforcement officer like Scott. And our size, our police district size 1500 people I think in Brookfield have two constables and they need all those needs which can be service of process, animal complaints both wild animals and domestic animal constables, neighborhood disputes, they do welfare checks. These were all the types of things that people who came in, testified that they were worried if we didn't have a police department, those are the services and they would be missing. And constables under Vermont law can also be law enforcement officers and have those have those law enforcement powers as well. So, if this budget reflected to police officers. I'd support it, but this is way too much of a burden for the for the district voters. And it sounds like it's a dungeon. I'm telling you all this but I thought you should think about that or know know that anyway. To help you understand a little bit about why there's more money put on the other side. Orange County had a contract to provide services out there. It was $25,000 a year to provide services to the rest of the town, but we got a lot more than that. So, your officers that were here in town, are driving through the rest of town, every day to get back to Chelsea or to come back over to go to the courthouse or whatever they took different paths to cover more areas. So we got a lot more of that service we're not getting any service from Orange County now. So, 25,000 isn't even going to be enough to help us in what's going on out on the road part of our town. There's at least two big drug houses outside of the town on the other side of the interstate. There's one outside of town here in the village that's just south of the line that require a lot of police service. Our school requires a lot of police service. Our hospital requires a lot of police service. This town's service demand is much more than just navigating neighbor complaints and those type of things. And there's other ways you can resolve them. You're completely right. You don't need a SWAT team in there to deal with those things. But the level of calls and the type of things we're seeing in this community right now, going without law service is not an option. And I do appreciate that, but it's patently unfair to require the people living in the paying taxes in the police district to provide police services to this extent to a school that three towns use. Yeah, so what you see there in the budget, it has some money in there allocated to the other users, but we don't have any way of knowing that. Yeah, literally this thing has been a whirlwind to put together. And I appreciate that. And so your numbers are probably a little high because we have no idea on some of this stuff. What we did was went back to the old budget. If you look at the last budget we approved for an entire police service. The, the to be raised by taxes was 516,000. Yeah, we're proposing I think 499. So what we, we have meetings coming up with the school, we have meetings coming up with Gifford and Claire Martin Center. Those are some of our power users if you want to call them. Yeah, I understand. And so there's a conversation that's already been started with the hat outreach with them. We've started that kind of, you know, is it's not fair that we're paying. And so they're kind of receptive kind of, you know, yeah, oh, our budget and we're already in trouble. And just, just one last thought is that, and just to alert you and I can't quite remember the details but my, my recollection and again Larry, Larry was there is that there is some kind of perhaps binding legal situation where that has to do with whether people outside the district. So you know what I'm talking about at all. Is this ringing a bell. Well, I felt like the people outside the district could not be taxed, unless they voted to be involved but anyway, I mean, I'm sorry to be like in the current budget. We have a line item of $100,000 from the general fund for that goes into the district police like that. Right. And that, I mean, the voters will vote on it. I mean, if they don't like it enough that they want to go down the budget. I mean, they could. Yeah, that's their recourse. Yes. But that's basic but it was basically otherwise it's sorry, you know, it's a budget support decision to create the budget the way we did. Yep. It's there in the Emory was looking at some of that for us on the on the taxing, because it's there. It can be done two ways. They can contract with the rest of the town to provide the service also. So there's two ways to get access to that money it could just become part of the budget, and it flows into their budget. If we're able, if not we contract to provide the service to the rest of the town. The problem is there's nobody else that can provide it. So if we're going to go through all this effort and we're going to do all this and we're going to use our money to support some of this, the, it needs to function. And we can't say the rest of the town, sorry, but we have this department stood up here and people but I can't cross that line to help you out knowing the state police can't get to you and nobody else can. So we're trying to, we do know there's a nuance of which way you do it but it's in the budget that way. So we have the ability to implement it whichever way we can. Thank you. Training training. Hang on, I got one more in the room first. Yeah, I guess I share the same question about the sort of the scale of the department, you know, or I believe it's what for officers, plus an administrative person. I have sort of that same question. I have a few sort of specific questions about the budget and the way that it's warned on the town meeting warning for, you know, for FY 24, because, you know, you know, 700, it's 771,387 of which 271 900 shall be from non, excuse me, non tax revenue. So, and part of that 271 900 is the transfer from the general fund. So how is that non tax revenue. It's not the police department. It's not the police district. Okay, so I thought you'd say that. Yeah. So my question is so I live in police district as well. So I'm going to pay my general fund taxes. And I'm going to pay my police district taxes. And part of my general fund taxes are going to go back. So I'm going to pay kind of double in a way. Right. I guess, I guess I disagree with the characterization that $100,000 is from non tax revenue. No, you're, you're right. The grand list for the police district is about a third of the size of the total grand list. So when we say we're $100,000 coming from the general fund, the people in the police district will pay about on that, you know, overall will pay about a third of that. So, so, so it was the warning like inaccurate. No, no, it's not inaccurate. It's just that you're, you're paying it through your town like municipal bill, not the police district bill. The question is a little bit different than that Larry. I think that's a little bit different than the general fund taxes. But that question is the one that comes on that separate paper to only the police district. And it's about the tax being assessed only to the police district. So the tax being assessed to the police district will raise the 499. And the other revenue is not part of that 499. I think it's a little bit different than the general fund tax. I think it's a little bit different than the general fund tax. I think it's a little bit different than the general fund tax. I think it's in your general fund budget, which you also vote on. I understand that. And that comes from the general fund tax. I think that that is a subtlety that most people will not understand. Unless like the newspaper prints something about it or it's like where does now reach and I think it's a little bit misleading. I'm not. I'm not going to. I'm not going to say that. I don't want to say that. That's going to be a little bit different from the general fund tax. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. That seems like a little bit different than the general fund tax. The budget. The 50,000 from the high utilization organization payments. That seems like very, very speculative. And then the 100,000 in ARPA funds. I presume that is just going to be in FY24. And in future years that hundred thousands going to then come from 100,000 higher at minimum to what the police district people are going to have to raise or approve. And generally, I mean, I see these types of things going up in the future, right? Salaries will go up, health insurance is going to go up, and that's the bulk of what the costs are. So I just really question, I guess a question I have for the board is, did you consider giving it a town-wide item that's part of the general fund that everyone pays for if you're and that way it's transparent? Well, we talked about it, but we didn't go there. The way you're going to hear from the other side is you guys get all the service. Why are we paying for all your service? And we get that other side of it too, so and the taxing authority isn't there for the rest of the town. I mean, it just seems for a town our size to have almost a sixth of our town budget going to a police department seems out of scale with what, I mean, you cited a couple of things. I would be interested to know about the data behind, you know, what is the police department actually doing? What are the calls? And how much is it, how much are four full-time officers really needed? I know because it and, you know, just one last thing I would say is I feel like, you know, this meeting is the first time that this has really been discussed in kind of an open way. Like, I don't know how people around town, you know, feel about this and in the district. But anyway, I think there needs to be more information out there about sort of why this decision gets made and maybe people will buy into it and maybe they won't. I agree with you. It needs to get out there and more information, but just understand like you're talking. We were, a lot of this conversation was about contracts, about like, what do we do? How do we do it? It was a lot of stuff that wasn't able to go out to the public because we were also balancing the, you know, the sheriff, the new sheriff of elect who wouldn't work with us or talk with us. Right. What's he planning? Is he, does he suddenly have this policy that's going to ride in and populate all his position to be able to do the service? There were so many unknowns and we're sitting here planning multiple scenarios waiting and actually the resignation letter only just came through. So it's, I guess, yeah, it wasn't a good scenario for us either. Yeah, I appreciate that that you're in kind of a tough and with the timing of getting the town meeting warning done and is there any like repercussions for the sheriff breaking the contract? It's required to give a 30 days notice, operated a day and a half with nobody, no notice, no nothing, and then send us a letter. I mean, what are we going to go after? Like, I know it's a tough one. I was just going to say that we did feel like we needed to act pretty quickly and if there could be rapid action, it's still going to be a while before we have any police services again in town. And so I think we did what we thought we could do under the time constraints. And I'm doing this as really the beginning of the conversation of what police services look like here in Randolph and who pays for it. I don't see why what we have right now needs to be what we do forever going into the future. I would like to see some adjustments made in the future. And part of that will depend upon what our experiences over the next several months as we start to then construct a plan for the following fiscal year. It's very hard to scale back as opposed to scale up. So if you serve with five municipal employees out of the gate, it's very hard to be like, oh, actually, we just need to. Well, we're probably not going to go down because I found that with with three officers from Orange County that that provided a good level of service. And the reason why and please tell me if I'm not getting this straight, but because I have the same question about why don't we just have three officers or maybe Scott could actually answer this question better than than I but I'll give it a shot to practice. That with the Orange County Sheriff with with providing us three officers was able to keep three officers on duty, you know, every week year around. But because we don't have other staff to draw upon if we have three officers on duty all the time. If one of them is sick, if one of them was on vacation, if one of them is, you know, out for whatever reason or if we need another officer, if there's some sort of an event or something like that, we have no one to draw upon. So we want to maintain except our state police is is is is is down quite a bit. We can't they told us we can't rely on them basically for anything. So so the idea is that four officers basically gives us essentially the coverage which we've been used to having. And then the administrative person is that was also a service which was provided by the sheriff's department. And and if we surround the police department, we need that person. And and I don't know if if this has been figured out in any detail, but I know there was we've also talked about the possibility of that person being able to fill some other holes in our overall administrative deficit in the town office. So that person would not necessarily be a full time, just police department person. So those wages would wages when they were working on other stuff wouldn't be charged of this budget. So that's the background in terms of, you know, how we came to the decision we made. And I mean, I'm open to, you know, looking at staffing levels in the future, but given what we knew when we were making these decisions, that's that's what went into that. And in terms of what the size of the police district is and who pays, I'd also like to see that conversation continue into into the future. Marius. Training. Hello. Yeah, go ahead, Marius. Oh, thank you. I had a couple of comments. First, I appreciate the direction that the select board is taking here. And I know you're in a difficult position. And I think what you're doing is right. And I don't think you have to solve every problem in the in the next two days. But you do have you do need to get a police force in place in the next few days. And I think you're you're heading in the right direction. There's some lessons to be drawn from this, I think. One is that it's never a good idea to turn over police services in a community to an elected public official who's elected by people outside of that community. And it should be obvious why that's a problem now. But secondly, when it comes to the extent of the need, I think we need to take a look. I've I've looked at the contract pretty closely between the Orange County Sheriff's Department and the town. And it looks to me like the hundred and twenty hours is for I would I would almost describe it as casual police services. If there's any documented incident and the term is not defined in the contract, that's billed on top. And is a documental incident is what is that and how many of them have there been and how much have we actually paid for these Sheriff's Department police services? And what does that tell us about what we actually need in terms of police protection? I don't trust the argument that that we we're a safe community who doesn't need any protection. We may be a safe community, but we need protection. And I strongly support the direction that the select board is going in. I know you may want to make corrections down the line. I'm not worried about over budgeting right now. And as far as asking people outside of the police district to pay, you know, free riders are all the same. They don't want to pay for anything for a service they don't need until they need it and then they don't want to pay for it. So we need to take into account the fact that people who are in the police district are carrying the burden and they're carrying the burden for some of the people outside the police district because policemen respond to calls from outside the district. So let's get this straight. You're going right in the right direction. I appreciate the direction you're going in. I encourage you to continue it. Thank you. Thanks, Marie. I think the other thing we learned is a lot of our policing services are actually being delivered in Braintree. So we may need to have the conversation with them, too. Do we know, as I mean, this is going to flow from the conversation that we've been scheduled, but do we know or Scott can maybe you estimate the degree to which the school and the effort of being within the district as a proportion of your overall activity? We ran the numbers and I apologize. I do not have those in the front of me. If it was to what we did in 2021 and 2022, the average between 16 and 17 calls, I believe, or given alone, the school was more. I apologize. I do not have that number for it. But that range from medical emergencies, mental health or simple control for Veggie Van Gogh or Last Mile or things of that nature as well. School, anything from any reading books to kids, leave programs or unruly kids, incidences that happen, fights or anything else that kind of transpired within those those areas we handled. This is a, well, we talk about it and it's a concern of mine that we have a major regional medical facility within the context, of course, of a rural environment. And we have a high school that serves three communities and 1,500 people in the village and afraid for all of that. I think it's time to make things a little more equitable. I have the conversation much more openly than that. My understanding is the school ready to come to the table and have that conversation. If we're willing to have a conversation about what they would like from us. I mean, the reality of the school is that if they transfer the cost to the school budget, we're still going to be paying for it. We'll double the other times. But so will the other time. Well, those are certainly those are certainly legitimate issues without question. But would anybody in Randolph not want the high school or the hospital to be here just because we have police services? I don't think so. That's not what I'm suggesting. I know I know it isn't what you're suggesting. I'm just saying that the argument that they're here and they're a burden to the taxpayer who has to pay for police services. It's not a really strong argument from my point of view, because we want those services here. We don't want them somewhere else. Mm hmm. So we do. Every time they come in for an application for development, we have to sign off that we have the capacity to provide those services. And I think it's questionable whether we could sign that today for anybody. I think you're right. Mm hmm. And that's why I'm glad you're going the direction you're going. Yeah, it's a it's a tough one. No doubt about it. Any more questions or comments? On this topic, there's nothing for us to act on, but we will be setting a special meeting to go over all the policies and try to get them reviewed and adopted. So the policies on the books are for the town of Randolph Police Department when it went non-exist. So they haven't been updated. They aren't the current loans. They're not the latest and greatest language and whatever. So Scott has been working on downloading all the ones that we're supposed to have and changing them over to Randolph. And they have to be adopted before we've been adopted. So I'm going to end up playing. We'll hopefully get through those, get them read through and ready. Get them out to everybody. There's a lot of them, unfortunately. And then they can set up the time to go through them. We might be able to go back and forth with questions or whatever to try to iron them out better before we need. So any more on this one? Any questions or comments? Mary? Well, thanks, everybody. We move the agenda forward to the setting with Mary Richter, the Economic Development Council. Mary is online. Yep. Hi, how are you all doing? So the reason I'm coming to the Select Board is that the Economic Development Council has not met for, it's going to be about a year. We had done a lot of things during COVID, but initiatives have somewhat fizzled. So I'm just going to go back with a little bit of history. I don't know all of the history of the Economic Development Council. However, I know that I was involved with the R3 initiatives in which we had brought to the town to hire an economic development director. So that happened, and of course, Josh was our first. And then Josh left and Mark Resolbo is now the economic director. After the hiring, it was unclear of the roles between the Economic Development Director and the Economic Development Council. So what I had done was there was no clear direction of who's going to do what. So I did some research and found that there are no towns within Vermont that have an economic director as well as a council. It's either one or the other, but not both. So throughout the summer and fall, I've had discussions with Mark to how we can restructure the Economic Council. And the takeaway was for me to look at the bylaws. And so I had a small core group where we had a discussion in November. And what we found is one, the bylaws are outdated. I think the last time they were updated was in 2015. And then it did not align with the September 2019 town plan. So among the small core group we discussed and the decision was to disband the Economic Development Council. And I had a conversation with both Mark and Trevor. And the goal was to have that be under the Economic Development Director where he would dovetail efforts and initiatives with the local nonprofits, as well as the Green Mountain Economic Development Corp. And then out of that, whatever initiatives, it would be up to the Economic Development Director to create like an Economic Development Advisory Group so that it could consist of businesses and community outreach and that there could be core items and tasks to go forward and to be more productive than what we have been having. In addition, when I've held meetings I've never been able to have a quorum so business could never be conducted. So that is why I'm coming before the Select Board for consideration to disband the Economic Development Council and move it under the direction of the Economic Development Director who then would then develop an advisory group for different initiatives. And thank you. And I'll answer any questions that you may have. Any questions on that? I can confirm what Mary just said because of the writing I've done on Economic Development Issues for freelance writing, I've done that. I can think of no other town in the state that has both functions. And those towns that do have Economic Development Directors by and large do have advisory bodies to some extent. So the model that Mary is suggesting is consistent with other communities. Is that advisory group put together by Mark or by the Board? I believe it's typically put together by the Economic Development Director. But I would presume in consultation with the town council or Select Board whatever the governing body is. And so as a advisory council, I'm not sure if I heard correctly that is it like a sort of permanent body or is it put together on an ad hoc kind of basis depending upon the kind of thing that I don't know if Mary is going on. The conversation I had with Mark would be more on an ad hoc. So for example, whoever he is having discussions with within town with different downtown events or whatnot to develop an ad hoc group to just target on that, very similar to what the Select Board has done with the ARPA council committee. You've got this set of things that you wanna get accomplished. And then after a period of time, that group dissolves and then but you keep bringing folks in. And that way I believe you keep it fresh because you will bring in different folks that have different interests versus having the same people in the room and it gets old and nothing seems to move. And I thought and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought at some point towards the middle of January because I wanted to present this in January that I think Trini had reached out to Mark to put some kind of a document together but he has not been in touch with me and I only spoken briefly with Trevor but I had been in communication with the two of them throughout the summer and as the end of November and after Thanksgiving, I have not heard from Mark or Trevor regarding this initiative. What I asked him for was to lay out how he saw it working. Okay, thank you. That was the piece that I'm missing. Like how would you do the charge for that group? How would you select? How would you that type of thing? But I haven't heard anything more from him either. Trini, what I had done is I had a very high level where I had where the economic, you know, like an organization chart where you have the economic development director as the key person. And then what I call a dotted line to the different nonprofits in town such as the RACDC and Green Mountain Economic Development Corp and so forth. And then break down bringing folks in from the community and the local businesses to participate in again, whatever initiative. We're to the question of oversight of this group and how the appointments get made. It's sort of similar in some respects from what I'm hearing Mary say to our current Arts and Culture Committee which really functions as an advisory committee. It doesn't really put forward any policies for our approval. I think so that some of what this seems to be shaping up is is when we've had different companies looking at RANDOC we've grabbed Green Mountain Economic Development. We've grabbed some banks. We've had VEDA. We've had different people that we pulled in to that conversation to try to see what makes that work. And I'm not sure that we need to have the select board approve every, it's like a working group that he would pull together to help with whatever's taking place which is part of his job duties. So I don't know that we have to go through and make a formal appointment and create a committee and do all that because I don't think it's a standing set of people. I think it's- Right, the situation is dependent on the situation. It's very much project-oriented. Yeah. And it's going to change. It's part of his job. I think the little question before us is just disbanding the formal committee. If I'm fine with it. Yeah. Seems like it's kind of complicated. Would it be appropriate to take action on this recommendation at the Reorg meeting next month? Because we- We can take action on it tonight so we don't go out and recruit people for it next month. So then they all guess what. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't take it personally. We're not putting anybody on this. We're getting a little bit of this. So maybe for motion. Thanks for being here. I am. I'll move that we disband the economic development council. And I will second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Thanks, Mary. Thank you, folks. I'll send what I will do is I will send an email to the council members there that are on there. And just then saying that the council has been disbanded. And I'll try to coordinate that with Mark so that it's a common message to the folks that I think their term would be up in March anyway. So it's just more as a courtesy that the council is no longer going to function the way it used to. Is that sound fair with you folks? Yeah, I think Mark should word something so they know we appreciate the effort they put in and the time some of them have been there and whatnot. Yep. All right. I will reach out to Mark on that then. That's good. Thanks. That's very interesting. I never see you on a payroll that be approved. So I know you're right there with the rest of this. Thank you. Have a wonderful evening and a good weekend. Thank you. Bye. Bye-bye. So we have two grant applications up next. The Kimball Library one, which I think was the fall broom and the recreation department applying for one through Gifford. We have no questions on those. We could move them both at the same time. I don't have any questions. I'll move the approval of both the Kimball Library and Recreation Department grants. Second. I'll move those in favor. All right. Opposed? Here's consider committee appointments. I think we had one. We have two. Oh. No. One. Third energy committee. Wendy Ross. I'm not mistaken. I'm looking at the picture on it. I don't see anything. Good night. I know I'll be on a slide. Look at this. Wendy submitted an application. It should be an application. All right. There it is. Yeah. And that's what the energy committee and the other committee appointment is for the water wastewater committee. Yeah. Which Jessam West has requested to join as a result of she's a justice of the peace and was on the board of pavement. And I see her hands with the troubles that we've had. And I'm an author to help us open the policy so we can head off some of those issues. So I suggested that she join the group. She said that she would. So without her coming forward, I would still like to have her join. Grab her while she's willing. Yes. Of course, it seems it's going to be all right. Don't let her change your mind. I think that's going to be a really important one for us to do. Yep. Especially if we go to the one flat. You're going to be here. Yeah. Send them a little complicated. Any questions on the use of those appointments? I'll move both the appointments. I'll second. Those in favor? Aye. Aye. Other business. We do not have any other business. And we do not have a manager tonight. We've got the manager report. Forge forever. Hot garbage. So we. We need to do a hurt motion on to find that we need to go into executive session. The other one to go into the session. Move that we go into executive. I will move that we go into executive session for the. Fine that we. Fine. Yes. I mean, I like you. I'm telling you better about all this. I'll just let Tom dig in. I used to say this twice. But it's been a couple of years. So here we go. The boards. I move that we go into executive section to consider. Let's move. We consider a motion to find that executive session is necessary and prudent. And that premature general public disclosure with place of the town. And it did that. Shakespeare. And I know that I can be clear. I'll move that we actually go into executive session. Based upon. Fine. Case. I will say. All those in favor.