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I closed the door so it can't it can't get me In the show the Daily Tech news show is brought to you by people real people like me and a few thousand others Now we understand if you're not in a position to join us right now But maybe just maybe you're someone who could oh, let's say once a quarter just four measly times a year Take a pass on that double shot. No whip Carmel Moco Loco Who's the what's it you buy every day on the way to work and instead go to bit.ly Slash help DTNS and pledge that money to support the show see value for value coffee for tech news And here's what you get in return This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday, June 30th, 2015 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today senior correspondent and host of Marketplace Ms. Bollywood is back on the show Hello, everyone Welcome back It's been so long that I forgot how to tab to complete names in the chat room. How embarrassing wow I know it hasn't been that long has it. I don't think so. I think I just am a little dingy today Well, you've got a spider in your bathtub. I have a spider distract anyone. I'm a mess you guys I have a sty and my eye and a spider in my bathtub Which is not a euphemism Actually, it sounds like I got like a moldy peaches song or something I think I heard Zane Lowe play it early on beats one worldwide Justin Robert Young there co-host of night attack where things jury toxin contributor daily tech news show and spider conqueror Yeah, apparently. I've just I can now reveal that I have been Contracted by mollywood to go across town in Oakland and destroy a spider And I will say that I will not rest until that spider is exactly what I like to hear because it was either you or a task Grab it, but I feel better about paying you with both booze and cash Like whatever it takes It's all right We were the door is closed. We're assuming the spider will not join us for the show I don't think it can get me here. Okay, as long as we're safe though We have some news to talk about shall we let's here we go All this technical reports that Apple released iOS 8.4 today fixing the text message bug That caused a crash of your operating system if a certain string of characters was received Yes, they finally got around a patch of that I books also got some updates can be used for audio books Well a few other features and of course the big news updated music app includes Apple's new $10 a month music service with a three-month free trial The connect social network that lets you follow musicians the for you recommendation engine and beats one radio station with Zayn low worldwide He says things so that you think everything is very exciting molly and Justin I heard a lady version of Zayn low and she was so excited. It was her first show and she loves UK bands Justin did you have a chance to listen any beats one today? No, so you'd see you don't you see you don't have a British DJ voice for us. I'm Zayn. No My favorite thing that happened today with the release of Apple music and then we should stop giving it even more press Was all the journalists at him? I'm using that term slightly loosely live tweeting their beats one radio station as though They were not all listening to the exact same station like dude The song that you're getting is also playing for everyone else because it's a radio station Listeners brush the embers off your jacket because that is the sound and feel of molly wood Sharpening her axe after anybody who periscoped loading up Apple music this morning. I'm just saying it friggin happened It happens. I was like, I'm a periscope my Spotify playlist right now. I also loved how Zayn low introduced and Outro'd every single song. I guess I suppose that's the thing was very radio Everything there was worldwide worldwide and then he played like Pharrell's new exclusive track twice because that's what I do Anyone who knows me It was so radio They've got a lot to prove right like they have to prove why this exists who it's for and You know, I almost I don't want to destroy or I don't want to really get super critical And I think Molly's right to get critical about people who are making a big deal about like opening an app and playing a radio station Thank you You know, I think it's going to be interesting to see where this evolves because the for a lot of the talent including Zane Lo and Ebro from hot 97 This is kind of just them doing exactly what they're doing anyway, but on a different platform So I want to know where they find the freedom in a way that satellite radio is different real radio in terms of tone content and how they go about playing what they do and the one cool concept was that when Zane low left and The next DJ came in it's the personality changed the selection of music changed It was definitely not some kind of formatted playlist that she was playing two songs in a row without talking You know, sometimes she would talk during that song. Yeah. Well, there was the DJ after her We were listening to where she would she was doing the same thing that Zane did where they would talk over while the singing Was happening, which I mean I I do I definitely agree that you know, I'm trying to go into that whole package And all of its many many components. It's kind of like This has been a weird Apple or an un-Apple Apple trend lately, which is like Complicated stuff the Apple Watch is complicated. It's sort of tricky to use Apple music The whole package is complicated to explain between the connect and like which parts free and which is not free and which part is radio but not the same as a Like there doesn't appear to be a way to put together a Spotify style radio where you just start one based on a song But there's a anyway. It's complicated I'm trying to go in with an open mind because I'm such a longtime Spotify user and I have so many playlists that I've curated However, all that said there's no question that beats one is different And if you're gonna come in to this streaming music space, which is really crowded You should be different. Well, and we we had a story that I don't know if we really went over But but we discussed in the slack last week about how much people still listen to radio and specifically young people Listen to radio and and I would take a guess that a lot of it is Class-based is that a lot of people like you know the the idea that satellite radio something that you needed a different piece of equipment for and had to pay a subscription for was always going to be a luxury proposition opposition however in an era where an iPhone although being a fairly expensive Fairly expensive piece of equipment is not thought of as luxury in the way that it maybe even once was three or four years ago Because there's older models that have iOS that are fairly cheap if not free to get with a contract the idea that a radio station You know could succeed there isn't as insane as I think the nattering class who today were breathlessly talking about how they could play songs That they could type into a search box We're making where we're sneering at it when it was first announced. Yeah, a lot of people still listen to terrestrial radio So this is and and some of the things that I am parodying here is just radio That's just what radio has been doing for a long time. So, you know, it's over the top It's a little over the top and it's a very specific sound if they started if they but you know They've got channels. I assume or they're gonna have channels. I mean, I don't think I Think you're absolutely right Justin. It's a it's an equal opportunity product And it's the free product what I'm curious to see is whether the free product will usurp The paid product because to me the big challenge is how do you get people to pay? We are daily. We are tech We are news and it's a show and we have nothing but tech news Worldwide hello bogeyta Philippines London Molly Wood next with a Cisco headline Tech crunch reports that Cisco I'm gonna stop Yeah, that can't last Tech crunch reports that Cisco is buying open DNS for 635 million dollars in cash. You wouldn't have thought they were for sale. Would you open DNS brings today? It brings Cisco traditional network edge protection It runs 24 data centers and claims more than 2% of the world's DNS traffic with a hundred percent uptime Many of you experiencing the Bay Area Comcast outage probably switched to them recently Cisco says it will continue to offer the free version of open DNS. Although probably to start tracking all your traffic. Oh I hope not and I hope we get some reassurances about that But yeah, I mean they're saying all the right things saying open DNS will remain as it is right now. Yep Hmm. Yeah, I mean you think I don't know, but if you if you don't care you can do the next headline Yeah, what's your reports a u.s. Second Circuit Court in New York about a 2013 verdict that Apple organized an illegal conspiracy With five book publishers to raise the price of ebooks the publishers have all settled out of court Apple agreed last year to pay 450 million to customers if it lost the appeal now this case very interesting for the ebook market Very very interesting if you look at it in terms of how they are organizing with some of the music labels considering You have a very pissed off Active competitor and Spotify that is looking for any and every reason to prove that Apple is acting illegally and organizing the deals that they have They hella did that Apple's only option now would be to go to the Supreme Court and That's possible, but it sounds like they they're they're throwing in the towel because part of the reason is because they agreed Already to pay this money if they lost to this court case It's like none. So that's no money. It's it's very small. Yeah, very small cost more That penalty or appealing Taylor Swift's tumblr Probably Taylor Swift's tumblr by Taylor Swift. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, I guess it depends on how many people download it, right? How many people are are on the free trial? Yeah, but they already played bad blood on beats one earlier today So King early they got mad love. Yeah and gadget reports the European Parliament and European Commission have agreed on a plan to eliminate roaming fees Within Europe roaming charges will be limited starting in April 2016 to numbers in euros 20 cents per megabyte 6 cents per SMS and 5 cents per minute So that's Euro cents and they'll go away entirely on June 15th 2017 new rules for an open internet We're also agreed upon ish starting April 30th 2016 ISPs will be banned from blocking and throttling online content and services with one exception quote Specialized services of higher quality and that could include IPTV people think can receive special treatment As long as it doesn't affect the rest of the open internet and also zero rating is okay. Now. This is for mobile But it's very much leaving a wide open door for you to have fast lanes Mm-hmm. It was straight up fast lanes. I mean they said there are no fast lanes except for those fast Lights except for the fast lanes that would you know deliver potential? I mean they said they can't affect the open internet But the wording is so vague people are worried like well, how do you how do you prove it's affecting it? What what does that mean? What does that even mean? I mean if Comcast for example set up a fast lane so it could deliver its own content more quickly over on demand That wouldn't necessarily affect the open internet. It would just affect anybody also trying to deliver content to my house over Comcast Right exactly and and and this is just over their wireless networks now granted. This is still better than the rules that they have now Which would allow this to be done at any time for any reason whether it degraded internet traffic or not But a lot of people are very upset. They feel like this is a bait and switch. Yeah ZD nets Mary Joe Foley reports the Microsoft released Windows 10 build 10158 with the edge branding for the project Spartan browser Unfortunately, because I liked project Spartan the new app I believe will cause any favorites cookies history or reading list items that are saved in Spartan to be lost if you Don't back them up before the update the new build also includes updates to continuum Photos and the snipping tool apps and bug fixes for surface 3 and surface 3 pro Microsoft will also release a test build of the Windows 10 software development kit to insiders Which includes an emulator for Windows 10 mobile so you can get to work on that Windows 10 mobile app edge Edge won't won't Spartan writers reports a Timbo Simphow Manager of uber France and Pierre Dimitri a go our Cody general manager for Western Europe will stand trial in France on September 30th the uber executives face charges of deceitful commercial practices being complicit in a legal operation of a taxi service and Keeping and using personal data without authorization uber is separately fighting a October 2014 law banning apps that put clients in touch with unregistered drivers So essentially ubers fighting a law that was passed specifically to make uber pop you legal and then they got hauled in to the police station and Charged with violating these other crimes We're having a kind of a crazy week. Yeah, but yeah, also could you just go ahead and say that name again? Okay, so here we go. This is tibio. Is it to bow to bow show me Yeah, I this is I mean obviously uber has a long and storied history of fighting local regulations I Actually thought you know in looking at the landscape that maybe someplace like Las Vegas with a very entrenched taxi union would be a Among the bloodier fights that they would fight but that has not held a candle to what's going on in France right now, man They but they they they go hard when they when they go at all Yeah, they're well, I mean Europe is Europe is cracking down Europe is not having it with these sort of the invasion of the American tech companies And uber is sort of the most the ubers is a very obvious and physical example And so but it isn't the first time that uber executives have been hauled off to jail I think it happened in Italy too. There was some raid. Maybe it wasn't Italy, but there was a big raid Yeah, I don't think they were actually put in jail And I don't know if these two were actually ever put in jail, but they certainly were pulled in for questioning Yeah, and where is the more arrogant of the bunch? You know and and and for whatever I think we can we can very much there's a enough evidence to call them arrogant Right. Yes, you of course certainly say aggressive Modestly, right? Like I think they would consider themselves to be a very aggressive company when it comes to fighting Regulations that they believe hampers their business. Yeah, and that they believe hurt consumers and I'm not saying they're leading uber is leading a protest in brooklyn To to preserve jobs in brooklyn and they printed out signs for everybody that they have protesting They're very nice. They're very neatly printed signs the most neatly printed protest signs. I've ever seen like they're not messing around either On their end they're they're willing to risk being pulled into the police station in paris and going on trial Like they don't back down. They are aggressive. No sleep until brooklyn sub brooklyn changes regulations Xiaomi announced that the redmi 2 handset will be available in brazil for 499 brazilian real that right now is a roughly 160 us This is according to the next web. Xiaomi has a deal with fox con to manufacture the handsets in brazil So they'll be built locally the redmi 2 features a 4.7 inch screen dual sim supporting 2g 3g and 4g and an 8 megapixel rear camera With an f 2.2 aperture available in dark gray only the one color at launch anyway Tech crunch reports amazon is launching physical good sales in mexico at amazon.com.mx amazon previously only sold ebooks in that country and it's also launching online selling and fulfillment services for the mexican business This puts them in competition with mercano libre wal-mart and indie techs Mexico's e-commerce sector is growing at 34 annually and forestry. We just got a nice little boost. Yeah forester was predicting like 114 percent growth Over the next few years before amazon announced they were opening this Uh, so so e-commerce boom in there boom. Yeah, boom in You know what else is booming our subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit.com get in there and let us know what you Want to hear us talk about it helps us put together the lineup sp Sheridan did this He noted the recode report that microsoft is selling its ariel 3d and street level map image operation to uber Previously mentioned uber 100 employees will transfer to uber as part of the deal as well as a bolder colorado data center and some intellectual property licenses They'll continue to to do their own mapping operation on bing They buy a lot of that data from nokia's here division already And anybody thought microsoft might buy nokia here. This looks like they're going the opposite direction and saying We really don't want to operate that section. We just want to buy that data Yeah, microsoft divesting all over the place and motang points out that the wall street journal reports aol will take over sales of Display mobile and video ads on microsoft properties in the u.s And eight other markets 1200 microsoft employees will be offered jobs at aol And bing will now become the search engine for aol properties for 10 years And microsoft will continue to sell its own search ads They have sort of a revenue share deal there But this is one of those deals where you kind of wouldn't expect such good decision making from these two Sort of internet dinosaurs Win win win win win. I mean this is the shakeout right microsoft says well, we tried programmatic ads You know who's better at it than us aol But you know we've got really good search engine and we could strike a deal and now aol is giving bing a boost with market share and uh microsoft's giving aol a boost in in what they want to be good at which is programmatic ad sales It's a win for everybody and they also get a huge boost in terms of scale They get to sell across all those microsoft properties which like inexplicably and msn is still huge They get to sell into this really young audience of xbox people. Yeah, it's a really I was like that is a heck of a good deal for everybody Microsoft making all these deals that make sense Tom if I didn't know any better. I would say that satcha mania continues to run wild on you brother He's the CEO of 2015 in my opinion Teespring.com especially now that in my mind he just became he's wearing spangly He's wearing spandex Aol yahoo firefox I know google's got predominance in europe right now, but Um Bing is definitely creating the deals to take a chunk out of google's market share. It's on ios too. It's the ios ios exactly. Yeah, right Not in all cases not in the browser, right, but but you see Yeah That this What we are entering into the next five years might be the most pivotal for google protecting their golden eggs Which is adwords is is very much in play because from both ends both the traditional ad search or the traditional search box web page model and you know apple soul strategy to Be the new search from within your device as opposed to going to somewhere else and always doing web search Is is is very much a real thing for them. This this is a very pivotal time for google And that is a look at the headlines All right for our main discussion today, uh molly pointed out a new york times article That was out yesterday natasha singer and jeremy b merrill wrote about what companies do with your data When they either sell or break themselves up or go bankrupt Noting that for instance in the hulu privacy policy They are very good about saying they will not sell to third parties. They will protect your privacy. They will protect your data except For a clause that says if we sell all or part of our business Make a transfer of assets or are otherwise involved in a change of control transaction Or in the unlikely event of bankruptcy. I like they have to call it unlikely even in their terms We may transfer information from or about you to one or more third parties As part of the transaction and this is now a common boilerplate piece of information in privacy policies There's similar clauses in 85 of the top 100 alexa sites according to the new york times They they went through and looked at all those Uh, a few of them will allow customers to opt out of such a transfer in the case of a sale But we've seen uh toy smart is it seven of them will 17 17 of them will uh toy smart true dot com radio shack Have all had battles with the f tc About wanting to sell off parts of their company including their customer database Which is partly why apparently this length the times is reporting partly why some of this language went in Didn't maybe didn't maybe previously exist and very specifically went into these clauses and I the reason I thought this was interesting is because we It feels like we're we're approaching I would I I hope A privacy tipping point a data or at least a data collection awareness tipping point and we haven't been able to You know when we argue against sort of rampant data collection. We haven't been able to point to any specific I mean there have been no specific harms To some extent right like you might get a database breach that contains social security numbers and credit card numbers But they're always they're generally looking for a lot of the same information It's hard to explain Why data collection is bad other than it's kind of creepy and you wish they weren't targeting you and they won't tell you and they Won't you opt out? But your information being sold to a party that you've never interacted with is that to me is a measurable harm that is just not It's not acceptable and it's amazing that it is standard practice for 85 in the 100 biggest websites Well, the issue is just how valuable this is to companies Like that that very often A lot of let's say let's take something like Radio Shack Which has a lot of assets for which are hard to move, you know They have to you know When the company goes into bankruptcy very often you hire liquidation specialists just to get rid of The the stock that they have on hand the idea physical retail stores are only really attractive to very very few select buyers But data Information phone numbers Uh, you know, whatever they can and that's before we get into Uh, you know companies that like let's say if a company like apple or amazon or something that has that prides themselves On their one-click, uh, you know credit card storing Kind of stuff like if one of those companies really really really made a play to sell something or a part of that or Uh to somebody else. Yeah, this is Intensely valuable to so many different people If even just advertising, you know, there's as display advertising has become less and less relevant Any way that a company can get into your life and understand Who you are where you go and when you would want to buy their product is The the future. I mean it's not valuable. It is the only thing It's the only and for yeah for if you're a digital only company and you have very few assets I could imagine in some cases this data treasurer trust being worth more than your ip You know where where companies used to acquire other companies for their patents Now they will acquire each other for their data And here's the thing The other side of this is if I want to sell my company That customer database being so valuable is essential to someone wanting to buy my company. Yeah And and so I should be able right if I if I sell the entire company at once, it's not a problem, right? Nobody cares That when Comcast bought mbc universal all the customer databases for the mbc web properties went to comcast right because they bought the whole company The privacy policy stayed in place. You know, it was it was just all Natural what the problem is is when you have a bankruptcy proceeding or you're splitting it up And suddenly the customer database may be sold independently of any other part of the company Now that smells like selling off my data to somebody and who knows what they're going to use it for So the key here is what the ftc has done. They did it with radio shack. They did it with toy smart Is to say you have to sell your database to somebody who is going to do a similar business than you did And maintain the privacy policy as written I would argue that you could go a step further and let people opt out of being part of that database I mean that that is, you know, if were we to ever Hope springs eternal get a consumer bill of rights that should be I mean We should be able to opt out of the data collection in the first. Oh, yeah I think the consumer bill of rights should say you own your data that you have the right to do whatever you want with it Pull it back And that and but that at minimum you should be able to opt out of having your data transferred to another company In a sale, but there's no way that will ever happen because as Justin wisely points out like it's massively valuable it is in fact Probably the reason that future sales will occur. I mean life will find a way The you know companies will find a way to acquire Uh this this data now To your point molly about a customer's bill a customer a consumer bill of rights This only happens when these things become kitchen table issues And and there was a very interesting tweet that we have here From the x facebook cto who co-founded google maps, uh tweeting out that you know It's a time the tech industry acknowledged how creepy retargeting feels I do so many things in incognito windows just to avoid future ads There is no doubt that this is something that kind of gives people the willies I wonder how much that goes beyond people who have an idea of why this is happening And it's not just oh look that's that's interesting. I was just on that website two days ago I don't yeah, I think people are starting to notice I think the the mainstream is starting to say what I don't like is What I don't like is when I go to a website and then two days later There's an ad for a thing that I looked at at that website I mean people are starting to see the sort of creepy factor in that because it's totally not transparent They have no idea why that ad is following them around and how it happened And because of that, I think we could get to a tipping point Hopefully sooner than later where it does become something that's part of mainstream consciousness And people are writing the ftc in the fcc and saying hey What is the deal here? I did not give permission for all of my data to be shared between websites and the ftc writes back and says Oh honey, are you logged into facebook? You know, that's what happened. Yeah, that's what it was And and honestly as long as I know I have control over who gets what information and it's transparent that they're getting it I want them to have certain information because these data tracking ads right now are so Clumsy when I book a flight to Atlanta and book a hotel. I don't need to book another one right away That's and that's what happens right and that's what makes it extra creepy It's almost an uncanny valley of like no, you don't understand. You're just stalking me You don't understand what my needs actually are and if you did it might not actually feel creepy And that's what I mean That's what a lot of the advertising industry will argue their counter argument is if we were doing our job, right? It would be helpful. It would actually be a utility and it wouldn't be creepy which is Possible right if you booked that flight and then they offered you a hotel or a coupon Like the do you know this company keep kii pay kii p It's the ceo is brian wong who was at dig and he's just like a boy genius But it offers it's a platform for offering rewards when you do the things you're already doing You might get like a coupon or a pack of gum or a free Uber ride if you are a little drunk or whatever um And so the idea is that the advertising can become a utility as opposed to Just sort of a naked sales pitch something that's not useful. I feel like Yes, that's where we want it to be right two steps beyond where we are You know at least like like we are good at being Dumb in in that you know the the classic uh pat and oswald Standup routine about his tivo You know when he watches two westerns and now next thing you know It's 14 shows about horses that shows up that he never really wants to watch Uh, that's really where we are right now now and I don't think that we are ever because it is such I mean you mentioned you know apple doing on apple things and and the apple watch being a complicated device It is complicated because what we want from this vertical is so personal and so not universal Everybody wants something different everybody wants something different out of this In magical world that we've just invented where like yeah for me I travel for business So maybe I do want maybe I want to know if a water park is where I'm going to be and I can now figure out whether or not It's on my day off if I'm a Casual business traveler or a casual traveler then maybe I do want to know then in six months Whether or not a cheap flight to new york has has popped up, you know It's so different and what it would take to get to that level of knowledge to get to that level of accuracy is is Personal data invasion beyond what we would ever possibly tolerate right like contextual apps are a good example Predictive technology it has so much promise because an app that lays on your phone and knows everything you're doing Could in theory give you unbelievably personalized and useful information Except that you would freak the hell out once it started asking you for access to all of the things that it would need Access to in order to do that right and instead you have amazon which like if I already bought it To your point tom. Why do I need it again? I don't want to buy the garlic press again. I only needed one I don't have so much garlic And if I bought a thing and I sent it to an address that is not mine with someone else's name on it Why is amazon not smart enough to realize that that's a gift and stop suggesting this weird thing to me that I would never buy and my history suggests I would never purchase like Amazon is an example of a company that is Shockingly bad at personalized recommendation and they're collecting Phenomenal amounts of data about us and here's the thing the way to improve that is more data The way to convince us to give you more data is give us control and you give us transparency That's it's the only way otherwise That all the customers are going to continue to fight you and using cognito windows And a bunch of other people won't and then get really upset when they find out what you've been doing with their data And push for new laws Not to mention the fact that all these technological advancements when it comes to ads could happen We could have everything there and we would still have a massive problem when it comes to data collection because we have created a culture that Very much says we should not click on an ad because nothing good will come of it And that brings us to our pick of the day which gets rid of junk mail from your paper Spam mailbox from your physical mailbox. It's called paper karma. Jesse Aka hometown rival in the subreddit and dts contributor from indianapolis Uses it. It's an ios android or windows phone app And he says I snap a photo of any junk mail I've received and don't want to receive anymore and paper karma will contact the sender and have me removed from their distribution list Now it doesn't work if it just says current resident has to actually be to your name But he says the only downside is junk. That's the only downside It's free to download offers for free unsubscribed and after that you either need to share the app on facebook To ha ha to extend your free subscription for three months or pay $10 for a one-year subscription That's kind of awesome. Yeah paper karma. I haven't tried it But uh, jesse seems to like it. So check it out. That's our pick of the day man, you want to know what I I love uh You know the the idea of the very manageable Bite size year-long subscription like pandora forever used to have the best deal in the business for their pro thing It was like 13 bucks, you know for for their pro account and 10 bucks for this is one of those things where you just 10 bucks and you forget it and now you can have this utility. That's such a great price point Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks One message from scott napier in hagglestown, maryland proud patreon supporter. Thank you scott says Early in the headlines yesterday veronica mentioned that she thought our search habits have been formed So that if the top results are not what you want that you did something wrong He says well, I take the issue with that, but maybe it's just me For searches where I really know nothing about the topic or product I quite often scan at least three pages deep This has come from me trying to ignore or avoid those auto filled search results That's so often fill up quite a lot of the first page and almost never provide me anything useful This applies even more as the search has become more obscure Am I the only one who does this? I think that I mean, it seems Increasingly like the top results on any search page, especially in google are Probably bought and paid for or there as a result of some I mean in first half sure And people do not realize the difference I actually think you are doing nothing wrong if you're trying to avoid that because the top results are ads I mean google's cramming them in there Which is which is so funny because that was the thing that set them apart from yahoo when they when they really became a power player in the business, but I I think I more agree with with veronica here that the idea of Just refining like we're so used to and we have a better idea of search mechanics that If you can take the first few results that aren't ads Understand kind of okay. Well, that's not where I'm looking for. I'm not looking for instruction Videos I'm looking for more prices on these products So now I'll just re-enter another line of search as opposed to Digging through one line just to see where it goes But by that logic you can understand more by reading more results So I understand where where scott's coming from too Yeah, I think scott's got the right idea. I just I think veronica is right that most people don't Click click through to the following pages And it's interesting. I I just installed Windows 7 on a brand new think pad x250 and put firefox on it Which now comes as a default with yahoo and I'm like, all right I'm just going to use yahoo search here and it was not as good It just was not finding the pages that I knew what I could find in google And I don't know how much of that is I've learned how to use google I know how to phrase the query so it will come up with something in google Maybe that would change if I used yahoo over the long term But tell you what I use those same queries in bing and bing returns results just fine So I do think it there, you know, there is a qualitative difference there I think there is I use duck duck go for the most part because I like the privacy But I do find myself having to go to google sometimes especially if I'm looking for recent news Recent information change duck duck goes name to like battle axe or something Like you know crazy guy like I don't know duck duck goes the worst name It is I do feel like a little embarrassed every time I say personal shield duck go Battle axe is good battle axe is pretty yeah, we'll take a battle axe to those who want to invade your privacy spider killer Oh my god, that makes so much sense because they're crawling right Well that is it for this episode of daily tech news show Once again mollywood. Thank you so much for joining us. It's always been my pleasure Go good and we've we've taken care of your spider problem We've solved all of the problems in the technology world What's left for people to do should really do this every day But if you feel like it you could find me over at marketplace.org for those of you who've been uh Who have been asking I will be hosting The kairiz doll show on july 3rd so you can get a little like Extra taste then and then most of the end of july and early august I will be hosting the various shows tech weekend or the morning report Sweet so people listen out. Also. I'm occasionally producing some tech features Those are going to be airing in the next couple weeks, too You know when I have time just follow twitter.com slash mollywood. Yeah, you know what it's true Really good point. 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We are worldwide and there is no stopping us tech news forever With scott johnson and peter wells from australia tomorrow The show is part of the frogpants network get more at frog pants dot com Bob hopes you have enjoyed this program worldwide Worldwide exclusive exclusive exclusive exclusive You'll see that every day that was the greatest Oh my god. That was a great show. What should we call it? That was a great show. We didn't even talk about leap second. No. You know, I had it, I had it up there and then it wasn't on the subreddit. It wasn't on TechMeme. It wasn't on Google News. Oh really? Yeah. And so I'm just like on the Twitter. We have talked about it before. I talked about it when I was on Twitter two weeks ago. Oh, but isn't it today? Yeah, it's tonight. Tonight. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't matter. I just thought on trending. I mean, this will be the last day the internet works, but. So it might have been worth a mention. I mean, maybe. But nobody will be able to tell we didn't mention it after all of society crashes. Twitter, trending topics, Twitter. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those perennial topics, too. I remember we talked about it on Buzz out loud. Not the last time, 2012, but 2008 time or nine. Yeah, maybe. What happened last year? Last year, there were a couple sites that went like American Airlines, I think. Yeah. They probably just blamed. Pandora. Pandora. What is just generally there. Pandora went down. Propitude. I mean, the big question would be if one of these massive companies like Amazon, if let's say the Grexit that is happening right now in the European Union, which, by the way, is like a second reference in like respectable newspapers, which is insane. I know. No one seems to believe it. They're like, oh, they'll figure it out. And they've been like, no, this is not looking like, oh, they'll figure it out at this point. Oh, no. It's a crisis, for sure. So let's say that that triggers worldwide economic hardship. And a company like Amazon, which has a good war chest, but certainly operates in insane margins. They sell everything for $11 and it costs them $10.50 to buy it. And they go under. It would be so curious to see what happens with like that treasure trove of data and credit card information and consumer history and stuff like that, especially that has done authentication logins on so many other sites as well. Like that's a tremendous slice of the internet. Should we call this episode That's Radio? That's Radio. We should call it Worldwide. Worldwide. Worldwide. All right, we'll call it Worldwide. Yeah. I think we just decided. Daily Tech News Show. Worldwide. Worldwide. Zangelo. The best thing is he plays like, he does a bigger, it's my world record. On the half hour I will play a song that I believe is one of the most important in the world. It's Pharrell's exclusive new track. He plays it. He's like, it gets to the end. He's like, those who know me know what I'm about to do because I do this sometimes. I'm going to play it again. And I'm like, that's it? You're just going to play the same song again? That's your big deal. That's what you're going to do. That's not very shocking. Also, who knows him? BBC One. And BBC One listeners would know. Oh, BBC One guy? Yeah. Because you know how I feel about DJs. He's Worldwide. He's Worldwide now, which is a huge thing. He's not Mr. Worldwide. That of course is Pitbull, who graduated from Mr. 305. I know my rent's going to be laid about a week ago. That's it. I can't pay it down. One of the things about Zangelo is that he is like an especially sycophantic interviewer. Oh, really? In fact, one of the big like, hey, look how crazy Kanye West is interviews where he was like yelling about how he invented leather jogging pants and stuff like that. And also acting like leather jogging pants were like a thing that everybody knew and has seen forever. That was an interview with Zangelo. And Zangelo is like, it does not matter what nonsense is coming out of your mouth. Which by the way, for a music interviewer, I assume this is probably something that is just an occupational hazard that as these space cadets are just prattering on, you have to just nod your head and say like, oh yeah, good point, good point. But he is something special, which is great for Apple because there is no musician who will blink at coming in and doing an interview with Zangelo. Sorry, I got distracted by the terrible news that Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner have split up. Is there love in the world anymore? Wait, hold on, hold on. No, wrong one. Wait, hold on, hold on. Here we go again. Nope, that one's not working either. Never mind. Take it back. What was trying to happen? No. Here, wait, are you trying to play what's in the chat room? Yes, you got it. Worldwide exclusive. Oh, awesome. I may not have come from Chicago. It's heartbreaking. Haven't you been following the fact that they've been like arguing about when to announce their divorce for like six months? No, are you kidding me? No. Really? Damn it. Yeah, I would know this if this lady had not stolen the Us Weekly right out from under me at the hairdresser the other day. What? I was about to get caught up on the news. Yeah, apparently they were arguing because he wanted it to be announced far enough away from Batman Superman. So it wasn't just like, hey, divorce Batman over there. That's terrible. I'm sad. I love those two. Love them still or no? No. Oh, then that's fine. It's the final tragedy befallen. I just I like the idea of love being forever getting dashed like Amy Poehler and what's but will earn it will earn it. Don't worry, you still have Chris Patton. I was just Yes, I was about to bring up Chris Pratt. And at least Will and Jada are okay. Well, the church will see to that. Yeah, exactly. Well, it sounds like the church will see to Chris Patton on a ferris to just a different church. Yeah. I was listening to an interview with Chris Pratt where he was talking about like on his honeymoon. They both suffered some intestinal issues and we're like running back and forth to the bathroom. And it was like, this sounds like a second act, a second act gag in a movie starring Chris Pratt and on a ferris when it does their life is a movie. I'll always think of her as lost in translation. Cameron cheap Cameron Diaz imitation. Oh, yeah. So good. Hey, Roger, would you have time to do the video upload today? Can you not hear me? I can hear you now. No. Yes, I can do it. Awesome. Thank you so much. There's no response. It's like, Oh, there's not my microphone not not work. Not not work. Double double negative. By the way, you guys cover this yesterday on the show that in the Hulk Hogan versus Gawker media trial that because he's suing Gawker. It's actually not. He's he's kind of got a case against against Gawker for this this sex tape thing. The judge banned him from referring to himself. He's going to have to go by Terry Bolea by Hulk. But she has permitted him to wear a plain black bandana. I love that so much. You wear a black bandana black plain plain black bandana. No lightning bolts on it. No red and yellow bandana. This is a plain black bandana. Keep it black. I mean, it's a place of legal machination. So you got to show some respect. He does. Why is she allowing a bandana at all? Also, why is he pressing the issue to the point that she had to compromise and allow a plain bandana? That's hysterical. Maybe he's got some issues with his hair implants. Maybe like, you know how LeBron when he stopped wearing the bandana was like, what's right here? Medical reason. Sure. Could be. He was also he was getting he was getting the Bosley treatment. He was. What was he getting the hair from? It doesn't back in his neck. Does he really? I thought he I thought he was going like total. I didn't realize he had any hair left. No, is it still considered a plain bandana if there's fake hair taped to the back of it? Oh, every time my LeBron or Hulk Hulk is I last track Twitter is so interesting right now you guys there's a bunch of crazy things happening. What's going on? Nike Chairman Phil Knight is stepping down. Oh, wow. He just did it. Because Nike is like on fire. And then of course, Misty, you know, what's her butt got that you don't care about that. And then there was something else really interesting, but I already lost it. Misty, what's her butt? You know, that ballerina. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, adding promoted to principal dancer. I saw that that's really cool. It was that Donald Trump has filed a $500 million lawsuit against NBC and Univision over can them canceling his Miss Universal Miss Universe, whatever broadcast after he called all Mexican immigrants rapists. I don't know why they wouldn't want to, you know, run a show. That's presidential. That's presidential. Anyway, I got distracted and I apologize. I am on target. Stay on target. Copeland. So does he talk to the same way like in court? Does he like normally does like? Yeah, you say, you know, dude, I felt my privacy was really violated, brother. I went and clicked on my computer. What's going on, brother? Oh, man, your sex seems out, dude. Oh, I was just, I was really cross, brother. Let me tell you something mean, Gene. Have you seen that documentary on Netflix on shake or the shake of the wrestler? No, he's one of the heavies. It is one of the best documentaries I've seen in a while. It's great. It's an extraordinary story. I've not seen the documentary. I'm a little wary about some of the guys that he has around him. Like he has a very active Twitter account. But it is certainly not him writing it. You see who it is in the documentary. You'll see all that aspect of it. But but yeah, I mean, that's a dude was a bodyguard for the Shah of Iran. For the Shah competed in the Olympics for Iran, and then left and became, you know, live the American dream by coming the American nightmare, the Iron Sheik. And what's so interesting is there's a little bit in there and this is what so fast because it ties with the Hulk Hogan, how basically a match he played that he was told he was paid to not to let a Hulk Hogan win. Originally, that was the deal. And I don't want to spoil too much, but the whole thing was choreographed and he was going to, he was supposed to win. Wait, guys, I have to stop you here. I have to go. Sorry. Well, Justin's going to have to go pretty soon, too. You don't come into your house. I mean, if you want to come to my house, kill that spider, that would be awesome. But don't do you have a car? Because you get here. Oh, well, then yes, text me your text me your address. I'm not even joking about this. Really? You just can't take a vacuum cleaner and suck it up? How do you know it hasn't moved? It is. How do you know it hasn't left the bathtub? Well, I checked on it right before the show. All right. Well, Molly, yeah, if you have any text message, listen, I'm out of the post, stay tuned for night attack with Justin, Robbie Young and Brian Brushwood later tonight after Zane Lowe doesn't tell you about the schedule because that would just be ridiculous. You can find it yourself, even though it's on a Tumblr blog that's hidden. Goodbye.