 So I'm very curious about taking these details. So you're in the National Assembly, and there's been all those rumors of civil war possibilities. And it seemed like there was a kind of civility war going on. And the Assembly is moving. Is there a forum? Are they able to conduct business? And are they able to challenge the illegal behavior of the women for themselves in the public sector? Is that the Bolivian Commission on Human Rights? Or is that an international commission? If I could just jump in here and ask a couple of things to be a little bit more clear. There at the National Assembly, you described earlier that the last party has control of the National Assembly. And the self-proclaimed government has control of the governmental palace, I believe you said. So I'm hearing this and I'm thinking of these many styles of hybrid war that the US and various allies and institutions have launched in the hemisphere recently. You basically are looking, you're physically looking at the parallel government there in the palace. One institution is housing the coup-installed government and the other housing the elected government. So how is this all playing out politically? I mean, we're seeing and hearing violence, but we're not seeing much of anything in mainstream North American news. And so it's just really wonderful to have you on the phone live with us, describing all of this. But it does see yet again another form of US enforced hybrid warfare playing out. And maybe it's because of the little chance that you have to decide right now in the middle of this hybrid war-cruised government. This international government has changed its power, so it's only job that this institution takes away for elections to be developed in one is to change the course of time now by electing more nominators and putting in power to be in the next phase of the one that has been generally truly based on the country. But I feel it's very serious. So many of these people are using media, which is something about who is going to be experienced about the consequences of what's going to happen. And also, on the television, as I tell you, this is the demonstrator, he is the private part, but the military defense, but there was a one-shot fire that was being told that Chris Lucas had a lot of bullets that were lying in the streets, that were a quick shot by very good soldiers. So this is government-registered very premature and a propaganda machine. I've had a vision over the radio, and this is a story. But it is quite possible that the streets are chubbiered with people sending them back down, which makes it clear that this is a different part. And of course, you can say that, unfortunately, the progress is for the moment as the backing of the military and the police. And you see that when you walk across the street and you see the soldiers of this show So you are actually in the assembly building. Will you be able to be there when they need tomorrow? Will you be able to see any of the soldiers you will? Some of the, you mentioned you have a press pass. Are you seeing any foreign journalists at all? Is there any sort of larger press corps representing U.S., Canada, Europe? Is anybody there other than you? And we thank God you are there. Well, more kind of a writing plan. Actually, this is not going to be much from anybody on the ground, but I've had a follow-up about how this is going to be. There has been some reporting, but that's at the beginning of the level that it should be. And the reporters should see a few of our things. And this also shows that it's very difficult to get around. You get to say, why are you here? Why are you here? Because there's no communication. And that's again because the people have been raised this long-term. So if you want to enrich this, this is a hard-to-learn kind of thing to do. So there's not a lot of stress. So in this case, I'm with you. A major that's happened in the North America should be full of this type of people. And unfortunately, I'm glad to be here. And I think we're getting to that. I count on social media. I'm glad to be here. Two more in the United States. I'd like to hear anything about this company but who makes this stuff? What are the two things that I'd like to share with you? So I would want to just mention to our listeners that you are a Facebook live audience, that we are at Code Pink building a Bolivia news page to house all of Medea's reports, including her time with us today and her live streams, so that we will have one new source for the press to go to and for the general public to go to. Everything will be housed on one page, codepink.org slash Bolivia news. That's really excellent. So happy to be in the 21st century order to get this. So Medea, what are your encouragements for people here besides getting in touch with Michelle Bachelet, sending the petition to her and certainly to let the press know that we want them covering us. One of the things that sounds interesting is you've got this who government is not letting people in and you've got the indigenous people who are not letting supplies out. Is this a stalemate? Is this going to break? Is this going to be something that's resolved easily? We've got a break at some point because with the death of these people today and the development moment, they got out maybe about 15 or 16, but that's not going to be enough for one day in the fight. So there's been long lines of death today. So this just, and I think we should look at the special ability to have a narrative of how this is going, hopefully very soon, in terms of how this is going to show and where this is going to be a negotiation. I don't know. I mean, the difference is that we're in such a state that there's absolutely no way that this is going to be the government taking the election that it is being for and we will not allow any election to happen as we go here. So this is just a negotiation that's happening at this place. And you know, it's interesting, I think there's people who come up who were supposed to be in the Black Theater and were like, oh, maybe we should get up and maybe we should do a good idea because people don't want them to be up there anymore. There's anger and saying, no, these are murderers. These are racists. They have all that slang. They don't expect our leadership to have some sort of distribution. So this is a showdown. Wow. This is for a couple of indigenous people who are very successful. They do develop copies of what is really teaching and is getting the amount of youth that they need. So it's the indigenous people who have been told to be down there that they're going to be jailed and they're going to be abused and all the gains they're going to get. Magie, we don't understand and we have to end soon, but there's another international body that you haven't spoken about and would like to know what are you hearing from the OAS in Bonavir, if anything? Well, the OAS, by the both the OAS and the OAS is considered both by the United States and considered the institution that we led to the excuse of sexual assault. There's a lot of history here of both the OAS and people want the legislation of the OAS to be the one who is developing any possible re-election that Magie said that. And I hear from people who believe that I think the narrative is both by-regist, they're going to call this a creed and whether they're going to call it a creed recognition of this new government. And I think you should be Christian when I know you, if I may call this a creed, but after Magie, I think it's really important to respect our elected officials and if anybody who has positions of power should know how many get. And the other thing that's important to do is to get the indigenous community of the United States that we're going to have to come down because this is really a struggle about indigenous rights in December, as we hear from colonial groups that have controlled this country over the years and so in favor of us being president. So we need to frame it in that way and I know there are representatives from indigenous communities of the Latin America who are here to show support and on a program that's happening from the United States. Maybe it is happening in Arizona but it's important to know that this is from the radar from the indigenous community. We certainly can. And it's heartening to hear that other indigenous people come throughout the America so thank you Medea from La Paz. We're going to take a short station break. Can you stay with us for a few minutes more or are you off to more witnessing? We are. And I know that because this is a great work on this issue and there's not really good information and people can go to my live stream as well under the event that we will be going on today with that message and with the other folks who are live streaming. Thank you so much for giving me a chance to give some support. Oh, thank you. Good. And take good care and love to you and Ty. And thank you folks. We'll be back with you shortly for our second half hour conversation. That's what I meant by that. What's that? She was on the phone for 15 minutes and never told me. I texted her. She texted me and we got that. Thanks for writing back. Well, it was great. Yeah. Would you go back on? Would you give the telephone to people? Yeah. Yeah. Paz. Paz. Paz. Paz. Paz. Paz. Welcome back to Coating Radio. Live from WPFW Washington, DC and simulcasting from WPA in New York City every Thursday 11 a.m. Eastern time. This is Terry Matson with Coating and I'm speaking with Hucky Whelan this morning and thank you for having me come on the air with you. It's always a pleasure to co-host the show with you. Thank you, Reagan Davis for live streaming and providing our news for us. I just want to say that fabulous song, that very powerful people song that you are all just listening to most of you who are familiar with Latin America probably do know the pieces. El pueblo unido jamás será vencido. The people united will never be defeated and that was a particular favorite recording of mine from Inte Iman. Welcome for years and years. We have a call number that you can call in to express your opinions to let us know what you think about what's happening in Bolivia and how you are connected to this. That number is 202-588-0893 So please feel free to join us in conversation with your question. So that was quite an interview with Medea Benjamin who as she described I really had that feel for the two camps being in these two positions and no one else. Physically and literally, we have one in the national assembly across the street, one in the presidential palace and so there is a physically and intellectually parallel governments established right now. It's quite graphic talking theoretically about the two different bodies and the other thing that's so striking though is that indigenous people aren't allowed unless you're a part of the assembly and that only people with foreigners with press credentials can get in and so we're very happy that we have our on the spot Medea Benjamin there with her press credentials who is able to let you know in ways that no one else in the country is hearing about what's happening in Bolivia. So I want to mention again because of that because there's so little external press in Bolivia right now here at Codepin we are creating a Bolivian news page codepin.org slash Bolivian news so that we can all of the live streams, radio interviews et cetera that Medea particularly but several other people from Codepin have been producing as well just to provide that as a news source for all of you. So let's answer one of the questions that Medea posed to us and that was what is happening because of our work on Capitol Hill. We've spent a couple of hours visiting people of our own representatives and representatives of groups like the Progressive Caucus and the Black Caucus and we've had varying experiences with them it's quite surprising and we want to give a shout out to Hank Johnson. So you and I and Michelle Elmer four of us and Reagan we spent Tuesday afternoon on the Hill basically visiting members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and asking them to make statements Twitter Jim McGovern Progressive Caucus members who at the very message stating that what happened in Bolivia on Sunday, November 10 was actually a coup and it was startling, disappointing to see even among Progressive members one how few people actually were focused on this and how little knowledge they have which was part of our role to break the lack of knowledge and we're continuing to do that but it's really really important for Congress and the public to understand what did happen on November 10 was in fact a coup and that's our job is to get that into the narrative and start influencing that specific event and to call it out and it's been very interesting the whole question of whether it's a coup and what constitutes a coup and I think a lot of this is simply semantic is when the President of a country is threatened when this family is threatened when numbers are with physical violence and leaves the country as an action of conciliation of trying to stop the violence in this country that looks like a coup to me so I'm not sure what you think of that well I most certainly would call it a coup but you know that's me watching one thing I want to say while we're having this conversation and I just something that I just like to do before we go any further and I think this is one thing that I'd like to make very clear when you welcome me on to programs like this does that my experience in Latin America and the Caribbean has been travel over the last 45 to 40 years but it's very important for me to let all of you know that my witnessing is that of a white English-speaking woman from the northern hemisphere and so I'm not going to pretend to be that Dina and my role and I can talk to you about the same philosophy and all of us our role is to observe what's happening outside of the United States to understand what role our own government has in foreign actions and to influence our own government's behavior and it's becoming more and more clear that the United States had a role in Bolivia on Sunday November 10th vis-a-vis manipulation and use of the Organization of American States and I want to just read to you this morning something that's maybe a little encouraging for the modernist government and shed a little light on the United States government's potential role here so this is great fine gossip word on the street not hard news but I will share this that Abel Morales is hoping that perhaps the pope will come and intervene and preventing a full-blown civil war eruption and that there's also talk that the State Department and or Defense Department was handing out bags of money to generals within the Bolivian military so these are all scenarios that we have seen in the past and the playbook is the same playbook we've seen since the end of World War II and just gets used over and over again I think you're right on it I think that it's really worthwhile to wait again that what our work is about is calling out our own government holding its responses alright let's take this color yeah this is Cliff I'm on the local station board of the station I think this is most important and I just want to thank you for putting it on well thanks Cliff and thank everybody here WPW for having us it's an honor that we've been invited to and not to create this program not creating it with the great importance that it has the importance of both code pink and community radio so thank you and we'll keep on pushing this envelope thank you so do we so I have to say with community radio we're so thrilled to have WPAI back on so one of the things we're talking about is the role of us white folks in North America and this responsibility we have to hold our government accountable and to keep naming every time we see and we have evidence of it's not respecting the sovereignty of other countries and we could send out five or six shows just counting and just pouring over all of those but right now I think what Nadia was speaking to is something that I'd like our listeners to help with and that is to reach out to various indigenous communities that we're aware of to support them and supporting the indigenous people in Bolivia so there was one thing that regarding that Nadia mentioned that the indigenous population in Bolivia is not allowed to come to the National Assembly and this is something that unfortunately is not new in the history of the Americas this is a 500 year old thing with the introduction of white Christianity from Western Europe of the Spanish Empire 500 years ago and it's playing out again on a very raw surface level and we saw the stand up president inaugurate herself with a huge Bible in her hand and so all of this is we have another call terrific hello there my home state that public bank in North Dakota was one of the very few banks that was not at the risk of failing in September 2008 that's it correct okay another call sorry to cut you off here but everybody's got your website and you're just reminding us to think locally and act locally thank you we'll pick up this other call and hello yes it's you hi Julie my week two is 2003 the phenomenon was a fellow person and nobody said that because that was not the case because it was long and especially here down there yes this is why the external journalism is so necessary and to break this U.S. narrative that we're up against right now because Eva Morales was managing one of the best economies in the Americas and took a significant number of people out of poverty and out of literacy and homelessness and lack of healthcare so we can presume at this point that he was not removed from office because he had a failing economy he was removed from office for many other variables including empowering indigenous people which has not been desired in the Americas as we mentioned earlier for the last 500 years his country sits on a wealth of natural resources that transnational corporations want access to so there's a lot of things happening other than running a bad economy we're not hearing oppressiveness of people from any of that and I think this is where it's so blatantly racist that we have to be blind enough to see that and how in line with how many years of the Monroe Doctrine how many years of manifest destiny and finally this whole narrative is being challenged and I think this is the opportunity for us as you and the three of us sitting here are all white beneficiaries of white nationalism of white supremacy and it's our opportunity whenever this group of indigenous people starts taking the leadership for us to follow them and to learn from them and to support them that we have so many times these poor fragile white folks are scratching our heads saying what can we do we don't want to be the bad people and so here's something we can do we can learn more about the indigenous people and we can support them they are taking the lead in their own empowerment and so with that maybe we we need to let all of you go until next week but this is a really really important geopolitical event continuing to unfold in Bolivia and so we would encourage all of you listening to seek as many alternative resources as you can one of our favorites is the Center for Economic Policy and Research CEPER.net they have produced a number of recent reports as to the results of the election the OAS involvement in Bolivia so that's we just got to say goodbye so thank you thank you Reagan and we'll see you next week bye bye two weeks actually I think next week we've got the you know it's so funny