 It's alright insulting us, just because you feel like there's a floor in your argument. You're laughing in my face. So that's not insulting? Because there's a floor in your argument. Salty, a cow, I can go to there. Is that not a good thing? It's a horrible, horrible thing. I think it's spectacular. Hey, avocados. Did them what... He just asked me a question, dude. You just asked me a question. Are you looking at your argument? Isn't it? It's not right. You think you're funny, but you're actually hilariously dumb. And that's... That is enough from me. What do you think, fella? Have you seen this? Do you know what it is? I know what it is. I don't f***ing care. They're calves getting slaughtered because they're males, so the dairy industry just don't need them. Can we eat them? They do eat them, yeah. Generally, they are... It's like veal. You know what I mean? It's called veal. Oh, veal's dead. It's not getting waste. It's not getting waste. Veal's dead. You're thinking of venison? Indeed. Yeah, that's right. Veal is a byproduct of the dairy industry. The cows get impregnated. They have babies. If they're a boy, they either get killed straight away, go for veal or beef. That itself is not a nice thing. Do you not think it's a good thing that with us, with how many of us there are on this planet, we can feed them all? We can feed people more people with plants because these animals are energy... They can then kill how many insects? One second. These animals are energy inefficient. How many fillets of steak can you get from one cow? No, we're near as much as... Do you know how many people you can feed from one cow? Yeah, it's irrelevant. Over a thousand people. Statistically, you can feed a lot more people with plant foods and use a lot less farmland. But you're using... You're using... You're going to use... For what? Plant foods? You're going to use the soil quicker. Why do you think that? One second. I just want to ask him why you think eating plants directly uses more land than feeding animals and... Because per acre, you have to use more land to produce the protein needed from your beans than it would do to produce it from one cow. And how have you formulated that belief? It's fact. Based on what research? Tell me the study right now. One cow would need one acre of... No, no, no. So you're free-balling it? Hector. Point me to the study. I'll look it up right now. There's more protein... So beans takes more land than beef, you think? Yes. Based on what evidence? I'm not going to water... Because you're so confident when you're saying it. So I thought you might have a study or something. I can show you a study that shows... I know you're set up here. I know I'm not set up like you are. But that is what I believe in. Why do you believe it? I just want to find out how you form your beliefs. Because I think with how many people have got on this planet, for us to all the greens, could it actually be doable? No, you made a... That's the sole question. You made a positive claim. You said beans take up more land than beef. How do you make that happen? Let's scrap that question. But answer me this. If we were all to eat plant-based and beans product to get our protein from beans and plants... We'd be... How much countryside would we need? Far less. So essentially it's the data says... This shows the poor research from Oxford... What do they do there? You sound like you think I'm making things up. You're telling me you're asking me for a source. You're asking me for a source. I'm asking you for a source. You're just blindly reading a news article. It's not... No. No. It's not an article. They tell the truth. They tell the truth. I mean, you can laugh, but... No, no, no. I've been doing this for a long time. Do you think I'll get my facts from these articles? I'm asking you. Publishing the Journal of Science. Here's the actual study. Okay. Okay. It's called Reducing Foods Environmental Impacts Through Producers and Consumers. So this article, all it is, is breaking down the study. You can read this study if you want. Okay. But beans take far less land than beef. Beef was actually the most environmentally efficient beef. Together, same on a protein. More protein for less land. Then we've got the question that... So do you want me to read out this... More... Meat and Dairy provide just 18% of calories, 37% of protein, but it uses the vast majority, 83% of farmland, and produces 60% of agricultural greenhouse gas emissions. Okay. Now, if we all adopted a plant-based diet, just one more sentence, Yeah, you're okay. We used farmland by 75% and still feed the population. Okay. So that shows there's far less farmland being used. Yep. And we all get our protein and nutrition requirements. I'm getting you a time. Have you finished talking? Yep. Can I make one more point for our leave? Okay. Can I just make one more point? Yeah, okay. To do with this. Absolutely to do with this. I agree with everything you say. I'm going to take it as gospel. I believe you. The one question I want to ask you is, if you went back to your great, great, great, great, great, great, great granddad, what was he eating? Was he eating beans or was he eating meat? It's absolutely irrelevant what he was doing. Why is it? If he was a warlord, it wouldn't matter. Like, that's not how I'm going to dictate my morality in the current society. It's an irrelevant question. But you've got to also understand that people... What if he was eating shit? What if he was a... What if he was eating shit? It doesn't matter. I'll let you speak. Let me speak. Okay. My great, great, great granddad, for Liverpool, that's why I support Liverpool Football Club. Right? Okay. So my great, great, great granddad, at me, that's why I like eating meat. Yeah. Things get passed down between generation to generation. Slave people are passed down as well. It doesn't make it right. True? Things get passed down that are immoral. So what I'm just saying right now, in civilisation now, we don't need to do this to these animals. Right? You don't need to do it in that way. You don't need to do it in that way. You still need to kill them. So, but you... When you by me... You're still next to a Burger King. Yeah, exactly. There's a big burger in there too. It doesn't mean that night. It's not. Some people are going to eat it though. Yeah. But I'm just asking you two why you support some of the worst abuse of violence on Earth when you know that you can be vegan. Because I think it's horrible to say but I think of us as a population of how many of us we are on this planet and we can feed them everything. Whatever we want, whenever we want it, that is, I think, spectacular. And you might... So that's a moral argument for abusing and killing animals. Yes, absolutely. So now we can feed them. I just told you that we can feed the world on less land with a vegan diet. Yeah, with beans and everybody wants to eat. They can feed everybody whatever they want to eat, whenever they want to. If I want to eat... It's about 20,000 edible farms. If I want to eat a cow, I can go to there. If I want to eat a burger, I can go to there. If I want to eat a cow, I can a burger, I can go to there. Is that not a good thing? We could have whatever we want whenever we want to eat it. Animals being decapitated in abuse for it. It's a horrible, horrible thing. And to say it's a good thing, just either you don't give a sh' about animals or you support animal cruelty, or you care more about your taste buds than animals. No, I get it. I get it. My last point is, right... If I was to go back... Say that I don't live... You're not doing this time. Are we doing time machines? No, no, no, no. If I don't live in the city, if I live in the countryside, am I... You do? If I live in the countryside, which I thought I could live in Canada. Doesn't matter where you live. My only source of protein... Where you don't live in... My only source of protein from living in the wildlife is to eat another one. Do you live in the wild? Really relevant then? Yes. Do you live in the wild? Yes. OK, so where'd you get backpacked from? Did you make it out of a tree? Yes. No. You obviously don't live in the wild. Why are you sitting there making excuses for this horrible, horrible cruelty to animals and suffering? Because it makes you seem like not such a good person. Why? Because you're sitting there making excuses for it. But why don't you talk to the people in China about eating dogs? No, I don't want... Is that worse or is that better? It's exactly the same... It depends where the morality lies. So do you think it's worse? Yes. Why? Because we have those household pets. For us it's normality. And I've got a pig as a household pet. Why do you eat pigs? Because I like bacon. Exactly. You know, I like dog bacon. OK. Is that a good enough reason to...? Yes, you're probably... Is it OK? If it's my dog, then no, it's not OK. If it's your dog, you do what you want to do with your dog. So if they're your property, that's the only thing that animals matter? If they're your property? Absolutely, sir. Where have we heard this mentality before? Like, these living beings are property. They only matter as much as they're my property. Other than that, I don't care about them. Have you heard this mentality before? Think of history. You like doing time machines? Time machine ones. I think of history. When we look at living beings, so far below us, that the only reason they matter is because they're our property and what they can provide for us. That's not what I said. So if they're your property, that's the only thing that animals matter? If they're your property? Absolutely, sir. You do think that because you think your taste matters more than these animals' experience. You already said that. If I want to get chicken eye, I want to get beef, that's a great thing. Well, they're being abused and murdered for that. So what's that got to do with anything? How do you know a plant doesn't feed? No, no, no, no, no, no. Would that make that OK? Do you know? OK. I'm not saying it is. This is all too... OK, I'll tell you if I know. Let you speak. No, no, no, one second. I'll let you talk about avocado. Do you agree this is bad? It's made a point. Let me roll it back. You asked a question to my question. Is this bad? Then we can talk about if avocado is bad. If I was to weigh up every option... Yes, it's bad, but I would still keep doing it. OK. Would you like me to tell yourself an animal abuse? Let's elaborate on my question. OK. Do we eat avocados? Every now and then, yeah. Not a lot. They're pretty fatty, so I don't... How many insects are killed with herbicide to make you eat your avocados? They're not herbicide. The insects. Do the animals be more than the insects? That's my question. Then one second. OK. I'm going to... You asked me a question, dude. You just asked me a question, OK? I'm going to answer the question now. OK. And it's going to take about a minute to answer the question. Is that OK? Definitely. OK, cool. Essentially, we have 100% justification to put pesticide on our food sources. Mm-hmm. If we do not, insects who cannot be reasoned with will mow through the entire population's food. OK. And we will die in staff. They can't be reasoned with. OK. I can't ask... It's just like if you come into my house and hurt my children, I'll shoot you in the face. Mm-hmm. But that doesn't make murder justified. Absolutely. Now, these insects, if they can't be reasoned with, they're mowing through our crops, we have a full-on justification. Now, how does that... Now, what about this? Are we justified in doing this? Yeah. So, Carl... I've got a question. I've got a question. I don't want to follow on with your avocado question. OK. Let's go on with avocado. You've got reason with insects, so you can reason with a pig. I can protect my property from a pig much easier than a bunch of little tiny flying... So, there's a lot... Because there's no way of... So, there is a lot. So, there is a lot. There is a lot. So, we can't reason with the pigs. We can't reason with the cows. But if it's a small enough... But if it's a tiny little thing that can fly into my house, there's no way of protecting it. There's no way of protecting it. Listen, that's not what I said. You're straw-mounting me. You're straw-mounting me. That's what he's saying. That's what he's saying. That's what he's saying. You can't stop him, that's what it means. You tell it. What's the difference between a fly and a pig? There's no viable solution to that. You're happy to murder the insects, but you're not happy to murder the animals. But it's not murder. It's self-defence. What the fuck? It's self-defence. And that is enough from me. Self-defence. Oh, wait a second. If you come into my house... I need to re-look at your argument. It's not right. You think you're funny, but you're actually hilariously dumb. Listen to this. It's all right. It's insulting us. Just because you feel like there's a flaw in your argument. You're laughing in my face. So, that's not insulting. Because there's a flaw in your argument. No, self-defence is not murder. No? Is it? It's self-defence. Tell me if you get charged with murder. No, no, no, no. It's self-defence murder. Okay. Is it murder? So, what if I... One second. It's self-defence murder. That's a question. If you... No, it isn't. Okay. So, then you're the laughing stock now. Okay. Right? My last question... Who's the laughing stock now? My last question to you, because I know you can get annoyed. You are. If I lived in America and a hog was coming at me... You're justifying animals. If a hog or a ram or anything was winning three for a time... Then that's self-defence. ...and I killed it, so I'm going to go. Bye-bye. That's not what you do these chickens, though, is it? They're innocent and you abuse them and kill them. I'll kill a fly. That's not self-defence. I'll eat the flies. Is it? That's abuse. I'll eat the flies and the cockroaches. So, anyway, if you've got to defend yourself, like, and you have to kill an animal and to defend yourself, I don't think a sheep is going to... or pigs are going to really threaten your life to the point that you have to kill them. The difference between self-defence and murder is that one's justified and one's not justified. So, we have a justification to protect our plants, your property, your home, your family. We have a justification to do this to innocent animals, enslave them, abuse them, murder them, decapitate them. So, that guy there can eat their bodies and laugh about it. So, this person's true colours came out. They have no heart. They're looking right now at the same stuff. Those girls I was speaking to were looking at before. Callous, no empathy, no compassion. I hope one day when he really needs compassion the most, someone snarls and laughs at his suffering. So, he knows exactly how these animals feel.