 Could everybody please sit at one of the tables that has maps so that you can participate in the exercise. Let's see if we can get started. First we're going to start out and have council member Martinez say a few words before we get started today. Good evening everybody. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for making the time to come here and provide your input on this comprehensive plan. We want to hear everybody's voice and if there's somebody that's not here and you want to share their input later on you can also forward that to our office. One of my directors is here, Jamika Allison. She will be a point of contact and my other is on her way. So feel free to reach out to our office with additional input and I will kick it off back to you. So Eric's going to come up and give some instructions on what we're going to be doing today. And we also have these, I'll leave them on the front desk. It's the QR code that takes you to the Echo Heights page on our website. And if you want to submit any comments after today just use that form and then we'll be sure that we get them to the city council members. So Eric, you want to come up? If I haven't met you yet, my name is Eric Klottiger. I'm with what's called now the Ford Labs, formerly the Planning and Data Analytics Department. So we've been, a lot of you have been attending meetings related to Echo Heights and related to land uses, related to street, related to traffic, a variety of different issues. And in those meetings, a lot of times we've been the ones that have been talking and we've been sharing information and asking for your feedback. Today is going to be different. Today we want to have you actually go to work and write down things and mark up maps and things like that. So you're going to be able to convey information and sort of your perspectives, your vision of the future for this neighborhood in a way that we can then capture and document it so that we can make sure that we've got all the feedback that you all would like to share with us. So the folks that are in these three tables with all the maps and the flip charts and the pens, so these are the folks that are really participating. So those folks over here are here to help and to listen, a variety of city staff, you're a touch member from the center of the year. So we're supporting, but you all really are the folks that are going to be engaged in this activity. And I think it's going to be fun. I think it gives you a chance to really share with us and have conversations in your groups about your vision for the future of this area. So that's really what this is about. We will be rolling in soon to a new comprehensive plan creation exercise. And that will be bringing in some folks to help us with basically develop a new comprehensive plan for the city of Fort. So a comprehensive plan for those of you who haven't heard me say this before and there are some new folks here. That's looking forward 20 years and beyond and what the city is going to look like at that point in time. How are we going to accommodate the amount of growth that we're having now that we're going to continue to have in the future? What kinds of land uses of a variety of types we need? How are we going to provide transportation access, active transportation, parks, all the different infrastructures that require community centers like this one? So that's kind of the stuff of comprehensive plan. So this is very similar to the type of input kinds of things that we may be having in the future for the 2050 comprehensive plan. But this is focused on getting your input now. We have already adopted a portion of what's called the 2023 comprehensive plan. We update the coverage plan every year, which gives us an opportunity to make changes based on new information, based on needs. And so we'll continue to do that as we move into the future as well. But the 2023 comprehensive plan was adopted by the council earlier this year. Now we are going to have two pieces of that plan that were put, essentially put on hold, to have more conversations with the community. And that is the future land use maps that are contained in what's called Appendix C of the comprehensive plan. And that is, you're actually seeing some of that information here. So this is kind of a focus zoomed in map showing colors that represent different uses of land. And that covers the entire city, covers actually outside the city limits in our territorial jurisdiction. This map that you see right here that says Southeast Planning Sector 2023 draft FLU, meaning Future Land Use Maps. That is an actual map out of the comprehensive plan. We have 16 planning sectors, each one has the map. And each one also has a set of policies associated with it that are, you know, that are focused on that particular area. So they vary depending on where you are in the city. And the one that, uh, that's from Martins was just heading from, that's slightly smaller, is an actual page from the comprehensive plan. So that's, you see the Future Land Use Map for this area, so the Southeast Planning Sector is what that is. On the left side of that map you see a list of things, those are policies that the city has adopted. They relate to land use, they relate to this specific area. So that's, just gives you kind of a framework of why we're doing this, what this planning stuff is. So now we want to get into kind of how, how we're going to proceed. So, and thank you Katrina, that was exactly what it was. So Katrina, Katrina did actually used to work in our group, so she's now retired and, you know, happy and has more time on her hands, we think. But so she's, she's participating now kind of as part of the community, but she's been through this kind of stuff before. This team has a leg up. So what she's, what she's pulled out is this image right here. So each table should have one of these. And what this is showing you is really the difference between the plan and the implementation of the plan. So the Future Land Use Map, that map up there for this sector is part of the plan. So it describes it here. This column is advisory. So the conference plan is an advisory document. It's not a zoning. It is not a law. It's not a regulation. It is a plank and a guide for making decisions. So that's what the comprehensive plan is. It has goals, policies, implementation strategies. It has this FLU Future Land Use Map with colors similar to what you see up on the boards. And that establishes the desired Future Land Use pattern. So what kinds of land uses does the city anticipate going where? And again, we're looking out 20 years. We're not looking out next year. We're trying to accommodate growth, accommodate change, accommodate business, accommodate residents into the long-term future. So, and then here is a little panel that says land use catalysts. These little colored squares and that is establishing the community characteristics by land use. So that is what you're seeing in the color depiction of the type of uses that are anticipated to be in those locations. On the other side of this is regulatory. So that's the zoning. That's the zoning ordinance. The zoning is the regulatory side. So if someone comes to the city and says, I want to build a plant of some kind or I want to build a large subdivision, it's the zoning that controls that. But the zoning is implementing the plan. It doesn't always go exactly one-to-one. We'd like that to be the case. And there are times where we have to amend the plan because council approved the zone change that we didn't anticipate being approved. So there's similar zoning ordinance, a zoning map, and then zoning districts and the standards that go up. So this is just a handy guide for you as to what the difference is between the regulatory side and the guidance in the plan. So what we're going to do is I'm going to give you just a quick overview of kind of what's in front of you. So we're going to do a couple of different exercises. One of them, we're going to ask you to identify and we've got staff members here that are going to assist with this. Cory and Rachel and Connor and Isaac and Elise are going to be helping out with that and kind of coming to the tables. But what we want you to do is we want you to identify what is it about your community that you love. So what is it that you love about your community? And this really is supposed to be this community and not another location. So we're going to ask you about what you love. We're going to ask you about... I'm not going to mess with that. So what is it that you would like to change? So what do you love about your community? What would you like to change about your community? And that can be anything. It can be I want more sidewalks. It can be I want a white land here. It can be I want a different land use there. So that's what that is. And the last thing that we're going to ask you to do is dream it. So love it. What do you love about the neighborhood? Change it. What do you want to change about your neighborhood and then dream it? What big picture? What do you want your vision of the future for this area to be? So that's the first exercise we're going to do. We're going to start that with just a second. The second exercise is going to be actually drawing on the maps. So that's your opportunity. We've got... We have these little dots. The little dots are color coded, blue, orange, green. We also have these little strips that each of you should have. These are for voting on the... For voting on the love it, change it, dream it. So we're going to write all this stuff down. We're going to put it up on the walls. And then we're going to ask you to take your little dots and go stick it where you think is the highest priority on that particular list. So that kind of will complete that. We'll move on then to the maps. And that's going to be... That's going to be mapping your neighborhood. So what we want you to do is to show us on the map. So write on the map, draw on the map, put arrows on the map, put bubbles on the map, whatever you want to do. You can use the dots to identify specific things around the dots. You have something here. This is an example. This happens to be from the Las Vegas Trail transformation plan. But this is an example of what those kind of markings on a map can look like. Now this is the cleaned up version. We don't expect you to be writing on the map and have it look like this. The Loyola will take the maps and we will recreate it in this kind of format where it's much more readable. So that will be the mapping exercise. So that's going to be map your neighborhood. So we'll have about 20 minutes for the Lubbock change of dream. About 30 minutes for the map your neighborhood. And then we're going to ask each table to just at the end of that to talk about your map. So we've got 15 minutes set aside and you can identify someone or someone who likes to share information and can share what your group has identified on your map. So that's what we're doing today. We'll cover a few little notes at the end of it as well. So if you're all ready to begin. I have a question. Yes. Is any of this going into the staff recommendations for the August paint boat that's been decided about this prediction from various plans then? In other words, are your recommendations for this neighborhood on the tables tonight as part of this process or is this just going to be used in the future after this? So it's kind of a little bit of both. So you all, those who were at the last meeting saw some slides like this. So we have already identified three different locations where we are taking industrial designations which are showing up either on dark blue or the purple color and we're changing them to a different use altogether. So those three are actually part of the 2023 plan that has not been adopted yet. So that's one thing. Another thing we wanted to talk about was policies as well. Go back to the August paint boat. So nothing in this room tonight has influenced those recommendations you've already made about this year's comprehensive plan for eco life. I can't say that with certainty because I don't know what you all have come up with. Yes, you have. You've been at the council meeting when these folks have told you what they want. They want a mortuary on an industrial movie. And we also submitted a seven-page letter. And you all are saying those points are out there sound like you don't know them. I'm just asking, be honest with the folks what are they doing this for? So this is a way for you to think about the future of the area and provide... They give nothing but that. How does that influence stuff on the 8th? Is there a way for there to influence your remaining decisions about this neighborhood toward that August 8th boat? Again, we haven't gone through the exercises so we don't know what else might be out there. Well, we do not... There is a constraint that instead of wholesale changing colors, we have private property owners and Texas, as you know, those are very strong private property stakeholders. So before we change colors on a map, we want to be able to have conversation with the property owners as well. So we've done that. We've had some communication with the three we identified with them. We have not had additional communication with any other ones. So that is a constraint. It doesn't mean that it's impossible and certainly what this does is it sets the stage for the next iteration of colorization. Well, that's really all of it. This is very much... As it relates to talking to business owners or property owners, this is something we've submitted to you before as of last year and the year before, like the Leon Capital Group who was coming along to build the 18th World Commercial Company in front of W.M. Green. 152 steps away from the front door. So this is not a new conversation that we're having with you and basically always seeing you all being evasive and dancing around the questions at hand. It's clear that we put together the Environmental Coalition for Ethical Rights and Statistics that we put together to meet with you all. Yet we haven't gotten a response back from any of the questions or requests that we asked on our behalf. So as it relates to you saying that we're putting together things as he just asked. All this is the agent. There will be a hearing as it relates to the 2023 comprehensive plan. Is there anything that we've been asking to see accepted or removed or documented that we can benefit from our community from? That's the question. Okay, so right now we have those three changes that we've already identified and shared with you. And those are going to be voted on on the 8th. The other thing that we think there might be a possibility that would essentially address some of the concerns that you raised is a policy related change. So that would be adding a policy to that map where Corey is pointing. So that's appendix C, that's the sector lane use policy. So we think that one thing that we can do by the 8th that would make sense to address your concerns is to include in that a brand new policy. Something that says something along the lines of the event, of the expansion of the industrial growth center as it exists when it's adopted. So that means no new blue going out. So that's what that policy is. Excuse me, what you said, what you put, and maybe I'm getting this wrong. But what you said is nothing can be done now. You keep talking about 20 back years down the road. This is happening now. The problem is we have it right here. What is there to address the problem that we might have it now? It's just going to get worse down the road. We're living in video for circumstance that's a test out here. And the city is going to do anything. They'd be on bridges and roads and everybody on the north side of the corridor and all that in alliance and everything. Where is our chance to go? It's in the streets in the first care. Then what do you do with it? I do want to add that this is the WM green, correct? The blue. Across the street was zone agricultural. Now it's blue but now on the proposed you didn't change that back to agricultural. I mean this is just one of the minor things that they're asking for. This blue needs to decrease especially if there's no development on it. You've made these minor changes to try to appease this group but you really haven't made any real changes. Because this was already agricultural before and they applied for rezoning and they were denied. Now it's blue. It was green. It was whatever. So it's still zone agricultural which is why when they came forward with the development proposal they asked for it. But if you do recall when they first went to City Council in zoning it was initially blue until we came in with our information and photos and documents and then it was pushed back for one month and then it was pushed back for another month and then they came back again. And then City Council said I can't believe that they keep coming back. I didn't expect them to keep coming back. Do y'all recall making that statement? Do you want City Council on 23rd? And so if we just decide to sit back and let y'all continue to do this we have jobs. Y'all are being paid to come see us but we're not being paid to come see y'all but this is our community. This is where our families are raised. We don't want our children to have to fight for a healthy home. If one of us gets sick and it's their job to come behind us and fight as hard as we did they shouldn't have to do that. And see even in 1989 we all started changing the area with no communication with the community and that's all documented that none of us was brought to the community before y'all started changing everything. I don't know if you were there at that moment but it wasn't proposed community before it all started changing and since then there's been a big ball going to change things as it relates to this small little community over here. A team, a perfect example of what we have and they put four Sony's on one application and y'all what y'all doing is so red-lined and so offensive you're so offensive this is how show it around to y'all put it around the room because this is how y'all view us. This is how y'all are seeing us. Y'all are not seeing us as real people this is what y'all are seeing show it around that's how y'all view us. You can get this work on your face but this is real this is how y'all view this community this is how this happens y'all would never have done this if this was in a white-born nature now in fact y'all are after us how long do we take you to respond to the communities of there too and we don't hear back from y'all for months even if y'all respond that y'all this is just how y'all view us in this stereotype this is what it is with that being said as a matter of fact we're sending y'all emails to the people who get the responses Mr. McFarland right here Mr. Jim now keep in mind the Echo Heights 56 coalition started by myself, she and her yeah when we send y'all information we don't get it back they don't have any happy emails or a CC email from Mr. McFarland and he doesn't stand this community that's why I'm using my voice as as a Sierra club and as a white person to give them a voice because you don't respond to Tina she martyred Ms. Goote responded to me I send an email to you before you went on vacation And you put us off, but this group finally responded, said she wants to have this meeting two weeks before August 8th. Or we get responses the day after. But Tina, Martasia, T, they've been asking for this for a year, you know, this kind of change for years. And so I felt it was time to get them all, and so, you know. And it had to take us getting a title, we often even listen to us, and then after we've got the title, it had to take us putting some white people on our board or on our team just to be honest, they're responding to us. And that's really sad, because that's the response we're getting now, as he just stated. The emails go to him and he sees sees me, and then I far and over to them. And we're sitting here, the president, the vice president, and the secretary. We're sitting here. We did this. And the saddest thing is y'all don't respond to us. It's like what we're saying and what we're telling, what we're experiencing is not important. We need to get outside groups. Oh, yeah. Oh, and then you go out and submit outside groups and ask them to speak on our behalf. Just so I tell everyone in here, as you'll see, any city official safe in the six is a registered non-profit organization, which is attached to the Echo Heights Stop Six Environmental Coalition. And it's registered. So the funniest thing was no one decided to ask us if we had any type of non-profit registration or if we was, in fact, registered as a non-profit. It wasn't asked us. Instead, you're etched out to come in your front line, if you're etched out to South East Inc. You're etched out to TCU. Did they talk about that grant? Yes. And these are just the other things that you were, and I'm not upset. But it wasn't until now, remember, Foney had a little nice video at W and Green the other day. He had to be foreign after photos, but this is what it looks like before. Now, this is what it looks like after a line. This is what it looks like before. This is what it looks like after. But here's the funniest thing, is that information about that grant was never given to us, and then it was told to me. Well, Ms. James, the reason we didn't want to share it with you, because we didn't want to hurt your feelings. We didn't want to hurt your feelings. That was told to me. We didn't share that grant information with you, because we didn't want to hurt your feelings. Well, guess what? Not only are my feelings hurt, but community is hurt. Their health is hurt. The children are hurting. The community is hurting. We're asking, our tax dollars actually pays our salaries. And I understand that y'all have a big job to do as it relates to the community, as well as business owners, or people who would like to come and buy into the community, but we are residents there. And at the end of the day, when those business regurgitate and change their locations and things like that, they leave. We're still there. We've invested into this community, so we've invested into our health. We invested into the school. The W. McGrane School opened in 1959. It was the first small black elementary school that was being bused from I.M. Chicago, and the sound side. And so you have this black school sitting right here, and the thought that, the concern that y'all even had from the school that y'all was willing to accept a commercial trucking company to be put 152 feet from the front door of this elementary school that's been sitting here. And then, just think about it. I don't know if anybody in here who has CDLs besides myself and my husband, anyone else that does, okay, I understand. But you know that if a truck is running and has 80,000 pounds on it, that's unloaded. Let's just say one of these little four-feet, three-feet kids door down in front of that truck as it's coming. You know how long it takes to stop it? It takes three times 76 feet to stop that truck. That's only if it's unloaded. Let's just say, for instance, it's got some hazardous materials on it, and in the middle of them stopping it, it jackknives. And at that time, there's a spill in the middle of that street. And now we have this school sitting over here, possible different types of jumpers and hazardous materials with fields of water in the air. Those children are going to breathe it. But it was already approved until we came in and asked y'all not to. But I guess what she's trying to say is because y'all stay in this community. You have no family in this community. You don't reside in this community. We're slowly dying. Our health is slowly diminishing. People have died over in this community. Well, what mother and her daughter both died six to seven months apart? Different types of rare brain illnesses that comes on certain people. They're in a coma, or they've been died twice. Or you have another man who lives there amputated. Everybody on Tahoe Street on one side, every family over there, someone has died in it. And we're not related, so it's not a genetic thing, it's not a DNA. So just on that street along, this lady has an 18-wheeler truck on cover in her back yard. And then when she started making complaints, guess what happened? Coal started coming to her house and telling her she's in violation. Because the truck is staying with her back yard, it's in our back yard. How does that work? It's like at this moment, she's being a target just because she made a complaint for her own health. And you know what else is offensive to Tina Coley said that there is no environmental issues now. Let's just keep this in mind. Fort Worth is in trouble with the government clarifying the issues. Fort Worth ranked 16 nationwide for Pollution. Terry County gets a flat-out L. So I guess Echo High says the miraculous community that has no pollution. You know it's out of 207, 820 and 20. This one community that has 4200 industries is the miracle that has no industry. That's what you were saying, Coley. All of Fort Worth is in trouble with the government except for Echo High. That is what this display was about. Y'all think we're dumb? Y'all think we're ignorant? Y'all have no respect for us. Y'all have no respect for our community. If y'all are gonna come to us, y'all need to come to us if you will. Like Mr. Bowie Holland said, the city convinced him to put four different zoning deals on one application. That's how y'all are doing in black communities. Y'all will go to a white community and do that. He can take that to where he will live. He can take that to his own community. We sent y'all a deal saying no more industries in Echo High and what do y'all do? Y'all turn around and put four on one lot. And he said he's in talks with the other landowners over there. Residents to get them to change environmental and industrial. After we sent and said no. So that's the problem with having the people like him. He can take you to where he will live. I'm sure your community will love it. Take it to where you live. Don't bring it to us. We don't want it anymore. We have less than 750 homes of the 200 industrial fields and industrial businesses. It's way too much. I read way too much. Now, why isn't the city over there monitoring, though, like a different country? Well, we do the toxic tour we've given. I think, raise your hand here if you've got an opportunity to do the toxic tour with us. There's at least 11. And so with that being said, it seemed like those people got a warning because all of a sudden they're outside trying to clean up stuff while we're riding through. While we're riding through. They're out there trying to cover things, clean things. But we don't know what their triangles are. And that's the purpose of hazmat. You're supposed to identify if you have a hazardous material on your property. It's supposed to be identified. It's supposed to be registered with the city. Because if something was to happen, explosion or a spill, how would we know what we're cleaning up? How would we know what agents to add to this state right down the ground? How would we know what to add that it won't cause another combustion or some type of bad chemical explosion as well? We don't know because no one is watching. None of these properties have had an inspection. None of these properties have been identified. Miss T actually drove through and wrote down company names and addresses. And the funniest thing is, the city doesn't have that information themselves. So when we ask, do y'all have an identification of each one of these owners or property owners or the businesses? Well, we have some, but we're looking into it. I'm sorry, why are we looking into it? It should have already been done to begin with. It's supposed to be updated. It's amazing how you don't come to the grant and say we're going to update the 2023 plan of 2025, 2050 or 25 years down the line. But when do our health, when do our safety, when do our community? And when do our generation of wealth and growth come into play? When does that happen? This, which y'all are doing, is a different way of when bull corners and all the dogs leash on all the children going into the right room and this is it in a different way. This is it in a different way. So, this is how the city services have been managed. Our roads and streets have deteriorated. I've even talked to court enforcement agents back in the 70s about the streets over here. They said, hey, they've already said downtown. This is not worth putting the money into. We're paying taxes. We're paying taxes. They finally fixed the edge with terrorists when a police officer was chasing someone eating down the street in a pothole and told the police car. Okay, then next month they out there fixing the street turning the street but it's been like that for the last eight years. Potholes just get bigger and bigger. People come down the street and you didn't know that hole was there. Your car was gonna get messed up. But then it takes a police car to get messed up but then it's sad to use someone. What kind of what kind of situation are we in? You know, what kind of people do we have downtown? You know? We're told to be ignored. It's almost like if we can't get to this one way we'll do it another way. We're gonna work on you. Some kind of way. If it's taxes or it's just coming in with a domain and that's what it looks like it's falling down to. Hey, you know we got this over here but this is the law. The law says we can take it. Well you come and take my property, you take my land where am I going? You're gonna put everybody back on the street like Detroit, like Tulsa like all these other Chicago Ohio you're gonna put a whole bunch of people on the street and a lot of people on the street are gonna be older people like me. You gonna be dead. Well, I hope not. I mean, I got two acres up there. They tell me I got two acres on edge but when I bought it, it was a kind of board. But the tax department says I had two acres. But they have no plots downtown of it. I had to take my documentation downtown to show them what should have been on record when I bought it. Right. And they still try to say no, we're gonna do this. Y'all put, you can see it it's gonna have to change the red line in policies. Those have to change. Point blank period. That's the whole problem with having this red line. Like Mr. Boo was high-willing over there was able to go in and do what he did and he's still trying to do more. Even though we're asking for a lot more perception than ever been on matters beginning. It should have been homeskills over there. That area was zoned for houses. Zoned for homes. Y'all, the city of Fort Worth changed it without any community input. Now we are overrun with industry and it's only getting worse. Signs are up and those trucks don't pay those signs any attention. They go right through in the police. Pass one way and the trucks pass one way. Uh, matter of fact, I got streets out here now. I've been coming forward with lots of these things. You go down here, you go down to Village Creek. You go down to Eastern. I guarantee you see it. It's five to six You go up here in the day bush, you see a parking on the corner. It's a window they're not going to register at you. Because they're parked right on the corner. You can't see what's coming. It's from parking across from the school yesterday. Yeah. Police are going to drive right back. I'm parked across the school yesterday. So in summary, is anything that we're doing tonight have any, um, any assistance helping us on the eight? What we're doing here is going to help towards the eight. August eight. So I think that, I'm certainly from what I've been aware of here, I think that that policy change would make a lot of sense because that's, that becomes part of the, um, the zoning. It's new, it looks like it's redlining though. It's new redlining. Yeah, I have not done it up with the redlining. How long does it take for a policy to be admitted and accepted? Like is policy equal to zoning? Wait, you said that the policy would be input in place. How long does it take to get an out? Is the policy equal to zoning? In other words, will there be a moratorium on new industrial zoning for the next year while the other plan is in process? The policy is not zoning. So it's not a real enforceable policy? That's correct. Well, it is intent. It's the council's intent. Could the council not pass a moratorium? The zoning process and the zoning staff and the staff report of what goes to the zoning commission that actually, you know, and then onto city council with a recommendation, that's the process where that policy change would become part of that. That would recommend that between now and the 8th and you could show up at that meeting with a moratorium on new industrial zoning in this part of the city. And I think that would go a long way if you were to suspend industrial zoning while you're thinking about the 2050 plan that at least gives them a chance to catch their breath and try to be self-defensive about what's going on here. If you leave it open the way it is with only intent, they're going to have to save you at a mole problem they've been having here and you're going to see this move that's growing, growing, growing. The whole reason you're here tonight is to try to cut this, you know, the rose off the blue before it hits the 8th. So that was actually in my email along with all the other stuff was put a moratorium on zoning the city council, somebody needs to put a moratorium on rezoning in Echo Heights and probably the north side as well along with increasing the industrial zoning center and putting everything back, you know, if it was zoned agricultural a year ago it should still be zoned agricultural. Don't try to slip in the industrial zoning the dark blue into across from W and Green. That should have stayed like it was. We know you can't move industry or buy industry out you could but you can't force industry to move but you can decrease the industrial zoning center and you can remove all light and heavy industrial outside of that center back to agricultural open space whatever if there's no development. I specifically asked for a moratorium in my email to you before if you want a location. That has to happen because this neighborhood is just barely staying above water or maybe not above water you're drowning. And I'm going to put Chief Burns on the spot because he grew up there I keep saying you're putting jobs there you're putting jobs there and still discriminatory you're putting jobs there Chief Burns grew up in Echo Heights you saw what they've done to the community over there did you not mind? Well I'll say this I went to W and Green used to walk to school no sidewalks and all that stuff still no sidewalks no progress and I am shocked to see all the industrial live right there on the pagers right behind the park and I can't believe all the industrial stuff that's going on I mean just and I still have family over there and when they started talking to me about it and T kept calling I said well hey you know I got off work I said I'm going to come by and see what's going on but I'm just I'm disappointed I'll just say that I'm disappointed because I know we can do better Just one small bit of history for those who don't know the day before GF GFK died and it stays over in the community and Echo Heist has a picture of her and him moving to her house and so there's a historical marking so I don't know if we need to put an overlay that'll prevent you from forming so many different things Do you know what Echo Heist was also part of the Village Creek's Battle of Village Creek War so Handed Heist with markers All of them have a marker Echo Heist, North Scott states have a marker and we all move with y'all so why don't we have to put a marker like the white arrow I'm just wondering and because I was in after the war I saw fathers in my backyard and I judge them up thinking it was something like kids but then I realized there's a lot of old bottles so I just studied them up and put them in the dozen and I was telling one of my neighbors he was my teacher they might have been they might have been from the Civil War so I know all of them they area the bridge how come these areas don't have a historic marking like the white arrow there's some identification markings we need historical markers too and like some other homes like Peyton Street where Keith Burns was was built even though President Kennedy was assassinated they were still done in his house in the field and a little hot fact the name Peridot Park was named because of a bunch of little peridots over there and around that park was a bunch of black faces and homeowners and families so when they started including all these extra industrials guess what they did y'all they came and moved to the peridots they took their time and extracted about 2,000 peridots and they took them to safety and then they started bringing in all the industrial commercial stuff so we don't be able to deal with it but the jobs couldn't deal with it so you're telling me that their lives was much more important than the human lives that reside in this community that y'all would take the time and taxpayer dollars work time to come over sit and wait for the adults to pop up figure out how to get them to come out those homes and strengthen the little bitty pages and take them to safety but our lives wasn't as important as those doctors who would take them to safety and leave us here to fend for our health and fighting and as Mr. McFarland said we're trying to step up one did you understand that? I understand the story I don't know the background I don't know how that happened why that happened so this is the first time you've heard this first I've heard it from you once before that was some months ago, correct? well they used to be at the park up here they brought the prairie dogs in 75-80 years ago that was an attraction they brought them up they went up around Wichita Falls around that area they were living directly they brought them down here turn them loose up here then they sat well they struggled well then they were they decided they wanted to do something yes, but this appeared at that time so they extracted them and this when they moved them across 287 that park over there that was that yeah, that's when they started moving over there so was that being said they did they do diligence just to come around and say rodents, rats rodent rats that's basically what their family line is but the rodents were human were human and our lives wasn't as important as a bunch of rodents and they're still fighting for health and safety and it's going to be til this day right now, we're still fighting when do y'all decide y'all want to help us approach to trend up a blind eye to what's going on when do y'all decide hey, we're going to go get into something to implement a safer, healthier community for Echo Heights and I'm like white folks we don't document our medical history when we go to the doctor he didn't give us a prescription or give us something to try to make us healthier oh, we go to grandma my daughter right here she took her hat off, got it she has no hair, it started all over again and then she's not the only one we have several other people that have the same issue but I was told because we had no medical proof there's no medical proof and we just document or add to the fact that it could have been an issue as well as to the industrial or the hazardous materials or pollution that's going over in the Echo Heights south six area because there's no document proof that nothing in the city can be held accountable for we're going to let that slide we're going to add going forward one for in the vizcaria of the south stone and my daughters live a few houses from Martina and they had here in the south and there was a lot of pollution and then across the street from me you have cattle corners you have one person that had kidney failure and you have a mother and so on but right now one is needed a kidney transplant right next door and the other is on galleries but it's not coincidental and then you have here her mom could have said something over there and she died shortly and it was that this area has the law like it's very short so I guess what we're saying is just in this area any kind of strange that all these people none of us are related I met her when I moved in in 1994 she was already there she was already in the community what I'm trying to say is this is not by just chance that everyone is having issues and keep in mind now we have our children children who might experience the same situation now the bible says to leave a wealth for your children's children inherent what do we even for them to inherit bad health, bad pollution all types of chemicals I don't think that's a good thing on the other side, I'm going to ask would you be willing at this moment to do something that will change what we're asking I sent you a seven page question on what we would like to see Mr. Booby at the meeting they said that they did soil testing on this property why don't you do not do soil testing at the park or within the community why don't y'all have to go to this property for zoning years on one application what's up with that something's up with that I'm kind of concerned here that his favoritism is strong he's a white dude look at all those black people over there he's a white dude that don't live there so what's the favoritism going on with him over us black people who live there don't stare at me I'm going to answer we've done that many times on unique applications why don't y'all do y'all told the coalition that y'all don't do things like that there's separate applications we wouldn't do separate applications it's a different scenario we would just have one application for numerous addresses so in this case you wouldn't have to sit in the council hearing for five different cases we would have one case with all the different addresses and we've done that before in all areas of the city but that is so stupid this area is fighting in the association y'all know it's bad it's like y'all trying to push it through that's one of the problems that we are having with y'all that is stupid I just want to I wanted to go through the standard process where y'all have to say it's the most democratic form of government where we have two public hearings these are not even close down different streets four different streets four different streets he can take it to where he is he can take it to where he lives he can take it to where he lives this is going back to council so y'all definitely have to say I'm just saying how y'all conduct stuff in Black and Brown neighborhood he's a white dude coming to put in the Black and Brown community if they don't want the more y'all know this let's go back to the request, the moratorium so we have the city manager here David Cook we have an assistant city manager here Dana Bergdorf I don't see the attorney okay so I Johnson so let's talk about that moratorium because this has been going on for decades we do need this to stop a pause and we need to be able to regroup preferably with the city there needs to be a dialogue there needs to be education in the community about processes as you can see but this is real folks are suffering right here at Eugene McCray you got an industrial site right next to it and they have just been doing whatever they want palling dirt and we fall against that we fall against that so let's get in front of this let's work with the city let's work through this and it needs to be a dialogue but we need to stop the industrial from happening let's put a pause so let's talk about that moratorium that's an actionable step and let's talk about can that be done so what I agree with that what I agree with that what I agree with that what I agree with that what I think I know what we need to talk about is that the moratorium under state law can last anywhere from 90 to 120 days and that's the limitation on how long a moratorium can be in effect that won't get us through the 2050 comprehensive plan adoption so my sense is that what we need to do is commit a staff working with the development services department to say that if a request comes in for an industrial zoning change that we will recommend denial or we will, you know, indicate that while it may be consistent with the comprehensive plan you know, it's not compatible with the community so that's something that we can talk about from a policy perspective so that when it goes to zoning commission they've got that information and it's not just consistency with the comprehensive plan driving that state law that prevents you from going over 120 days that's my understanding yeah, I'm not the attorney that's why they're checking into it for us but that's what I recall from other moratorium discussions so the only way there's no formal process is just if a zoning request change comes in the city would recommend to the zoning commission to deny it but there's no ordinance that can be passed by city council to actually put in more so you could do a moratorium in that time frame so that what you need to do in that time frame is have that plan of what you're going to do differently going forward so it just I'm assuming take longer to work through each property that you all had mentioned because there's a lot of them that are designated industrial or zoned industrial what about federal if you go to state it's only limited right, but why do you go federal if I'm going that's what we're trying to find out if there was a way to do it so zoning is governed by the state so that is a state authority if you will, not federal authority so states have the zoning authority so the federal government has no authority not with regard to zoning not with regard to zoning but the other piece to mention is that I think we could have that conversation be part of what we bring to council for the August briefing so that it's not just this policy statement but it's also the practice of what staff is going to do we would rely on the staff Eric, I sent this in an email you have it CC, the mayor that echo heights the advocacy this organization and then echo heights stuff 6 environmental coalition is asking for moratorium on any rezoning request and echo actually it's a full footprint it's not just echo heights it's going north that's why I mentioned north side it's in the boundary so there is a map so it includes village creek and includes parts of stop 6 so folks again they're suffering and it's well documented so action is needed there are some best practices out there city of Austin back in the 90s did an overlay in a community that was suffering from an industrial encroachment Fort Worth can look some of you guys already know about these things but you can read this you can look at the best practices you don't have to recreate the wheel just look at what's happening in other places but it is serious these are not exaggerations our family home is in village creek will barger is a mess with the 18 willers they're just barreling down I left in village quickest wedge between will barger and the freeway so you've got to use will barger and sometimes you see these 18 willers they are just coming and I've heard that there are children who are running across will barger they live on the other side of will barger running across will barger to get to this community center with the 18 willer coming so this is real somebody is going to get hurt somebody is going to get killed I have a problem with industry saying that y'all bringing jobs in this area it sounds good and to me it's more or less outsourcing our income if you understand what I mean is that if you bring buildings here and say that they're jobs I'm one of the zerox twins probably the most noted the most known person in this room I am no doubt about it but what I'm saying that is to say I know a lot of people as well and I know of no one who work in these industries so you say that you bring jobs in here for us but they're not and we don't understand that they're not going to be for us so again you're taking all our resources we can't make a living plus you're killing us at the same time are you serious so yes we need to put a stop to it we need to stop it put a hope to it and be more concerned about our environment our living and our lifestyle this is unbelievable unbelievable we have an unhealthy concentration of truck terminals in this area and that produces particulate matter it's very harmful one breathes it in it gets into your lungs it's very harmful and the city has permitting this to happen you've permitted all these truck terminals in this neighborhood now you could at least measure the air quality and do something to make the people who are permitting all that crap pardon me tend to the air be more responsible about how they run their trucks because they don't have a license to kill you may have given them a license to be aggregated in truly toxic numbers but Code Enforcement could do something and you could measure the dangers that you inflict on the people who live here and then help them get TSEC and EPA and others to come clean up the mess that you allow to be created and we ask for that fair request quit killing us one of the other things is I came in, I came in late and they kept referring to policy is intent policy is intent I get that the moratorium in 90 days, 120 days shows intent also if we request the moratorium and that's showing at the end that to the zoning committee, to the community actually going to pay attention to a little bit and so if this policy is showing intent then why couldn't the moratorium from the city also show intent for thought one other thing I don't know if I recall at that time, just before we closed out at the city council when we had actually all for our statement to see council by doing this party and mayor Parker and Mrs. Beck both made the statement in support of him and said that they were a company that we needed to work with and that bringing them into the community would be a great thing to be so happy to have them in our community sounds like a small favor to them and it's recorded so we need to place that but that's what she said I don't know if anyone else recalled that but that is what she said now I don't know Mr. Boone personally but I'm going to make a statement to Ms. Boone to take the time to look around on what's going on in the community there's a lot of problems and issues being held under our control things like that I'm not sure what you're planning on putting on the party normally he's submitting an application to do things to ask you what's your plan and purpose for this party but on his application it wasn't there we need to request that I ask of him when he'd be utilizing the party before y'all just said oh well because he would be a great asset to the area he wasn't requested to put anything down does that sound right Mr. Boone oh typically there's something identified yeah that's it's not a mandate it's not a mandate I'm Louis Holland here with the Empire Holdings and I just want to acknowledge everything that's been said our concerns match about 90% of our concerns I spend the majority of my week in the Sun Valley Property District there in the southeast quadrant now Pollution is legal we're not looking to pollute we before we purchase the property we do Phase 1 and Phase 2 investigations we soil test all of our properties we want to be doubly sure before we purchase the property that the pollution has not occurred it's something that concerns us and should concern y'all so I just really want to acknowledge that we're not looking to pollute our properties or any surrounding properties the trucking companies they're the bane of our existence they're tearing up our roads we've strongly encouraged them to join the property and permanent district and they're not very good neighbors you know we are utilizing the roads and not being part of the community as far as W and Green I think the idea of putting a big box distribution center across from W and Green was a terrible idea we would fully support putting no-through truck signs we're looking at potentially a license plate camera to document any trucks that are going past the electric split I agree with what you said about stopping the vehicle they can't stop right now with all the construction there's a lot of traffic in the middle of the night as they close roads it's an absolute problem I would just like to tell you a little bit about what we're proposing we do have four lots between half acre and three quarters an acre there's going to be number one a parking lot it'll be across the street from the church it's a parking lot for an office building for overflow parking and additionally we have three the city we call light industrial buildings we call them flex buildings they're a large component of the office and they're the storage component anywhere between 8020 and 3070 they're going to be between 8400 and 9200 square feet again on a half acre and three quarter acre plot there's no way a tractor trailer can fit on many of those there'll be no docks further getting back to the concerns you folks have we have de-restrictions that even under a light industrial there's a lot of uses we don't like that we find have the potential unintentionally or intentionally to pollute so we have reported de-restrictions on over 100 blocks in Sun Valley and that restricts against 90 plus uses and I would welcome this group to submit additional uses if you folks move to your club or downwarders risk if there's uses we haven't thought of that have potential for a particular matter here yes ma'am absolutely you don't want any other properties over in the Echo Heights area you just said 100 blocks what do you all point to like the Sun Valley property River District as it relates to Echo Heights we're 90 we don't want any more industrial buildings so we were talking just about this area Mr. Bowie, you have to take the time to actually get out and identify the area that we're actually complaining about as it relates to you coming over to put your company over there you haven't taken the time to get your villages involved as it relates to Sun Valley area and all that could you clarify that question I'm sorry so you asked him to identify the Sun Valley area so my question to you was have you not taken the time to actually drive through the community get over the area and identify how close or how far it is as it relates to what you're trying to do absolutely I think the nearest is about 3,000 feet away from the nearest single family home the closest to Echo Heights is to be on David Strickland and I think that's around four or five hundred feet to the east of the WM Green at the corner of David Strickland regions so you want to worry that there are houses that are actually also next to commercial companies that you are looking at you said 3,000 feet away but there's actually houses that might be a business right here and then there's a residence right here as well that's absolutely correct the Sun Valley property is about 96% industrial there are a few remaining I think on that exhibit we showed them the remaining visa and lots the approximation of Sun Valley was the Weisenberger City edition it was platted in 1969 really about the same time Echo Heights was platted Echo Heights was much more successful as a neighborhood the Weisenberger City edition there were a few houses built there but I'm told the developer reigned into some trouble and the few houses that were built were the only ones built passed about 1960 then when the highway came in that's when you did have the first industrial uses there's 4 lots all right now there's a number of vacant lots that are still residential and there's I think between 4 and 6 actual residential uses that are on these own lots and to be crystal clear we're not looking to bother those folks we love them when they come to our crime watches they're good folks but I think city planning would tell you it's going to be tough to build a house when it's surrounded on all four sides by existing industrial uses so as it relates to light industrial what does light industrial mean? sure I'd say we're a niche player in light industrial it can include up to big box industrial like this glass company we are not that developer we do small scale industrial how do we know that as you progress to our future as you want to eventually add those things on your property as time permits great question can the restrictions change through the de-restrictions because we have that concern if we were to ever sell to a neighbor what they may choose to do which is allowed under light industrial which includes some uses that we don't agree with that have the potential to operate loud noises heavy manufacturing anything like that we don't want those uses example companies we have a number of engineering firms a number of service firms aerospace firms I heard you loud and clear about the jobs our latest economic development surveys said the salaries are averaging about $60,000 there's some well into the six figures we've been talking to council member Martinez about I think the city in designating this industrial growth center they see a high jobs potential for the area 10,000 per square mile certainly that's been reflected in our surveys over a thousand jobs created that we could document since 2013 so a thousand over ten years for a little eight or nine block area is quite a few jobs so you are aware how Eppel Heights is made so any buffers or anything you know about that? buffers are a great idea I know we present an exhibit to your office and again some of it is I believe already under consideration some of it stands off some of the I appreciate it absolutely it basically seems like the city has already accepted your proposal it's like you have everything lined out so just as you and I have conversations you have everything identified of what you need to do what you will do and what you're playing on doing so it seems like it's already pretty much agreed that y'all are going to allow his my understanding see that's the problem you have we're having it because when he said oh you can't get no homes nobody knew then that was supposed to be homes before the city industrialized if that's the problem you have white guys like him they make it come in it's like that never lived in a community y'all know anything about the community it's not having any compassion for the community he's looking at his bottom dollar his bottom line and that's the problem we ask for no more industrialization and here you are trying to push it and it seems like you have the half of a city they've been helping you out they don't care nothing about us black and brown people your deed restrictions can be overturned at any time you know it's happening and that will make the entire area industrial and those places shouldn't be there in the first place that should be homes there the city did that not the community and you just don't understand because you don't live there take it to your community I'm not familiar with the zoning the predominance of the industrial was developed you should make yourself familiar with research I have studied quite in depth the historical photographs going back to 1942 and what's developed predominantly was vacant lots but there was never a home there I'm not as familiar with the zoning records I don't know that those are publicly available going back that far once you're rezoning you can sell it the next day if anybody can come in and you have that whole area industrial I would say we're already sick over there we want what's there out that's one of our requests to move what's there out and y'all look at Eric y'all look at him, look at that look on his face to that end I spent a predominance of my week here in Sun Valley so if there is any pollution I would certainly like to know about it we can we test all of the Sun Valley property the government already said it's the problem this area is by 287,820 and 20 over 200 industrial industries there already people over there sick and dying and you still don't realize that it's the problem there because they tested the soil on your property even though the city told us they don't do areas of soil on this area to be clear, no, no, no the city did not come test our soil we made to test our soil we want to be very clear about that and testing our soil I'd be happy to give you the laboratory we use and the soils that our insurance companies have recommended because my backyard is polluting we've done, for example my backyard is polluting my family has suffered my face have suffered so yeah, I'm offended I'm offended when you're offended we can see this too y'all must think we're ignorant it's still industrial they want it zoned back they want it zoned either open space agricultural residential and no more it doesn't matter if it's light or heavy industrial, it's still industrial so they don't want it I can't speak feeding the buffer the buffer doesn't matter we don't want it the community does not want it that should have been homes the community went behind the community's back and it does realize that it's the worst kind of red line and like I said that's like doing the civil rights movement when they were attacking black people that's just what y'all did y'all did it a different way y'all did it with industry to kill us and make us see and to make us see and to make us see and to make us see and to make us see and to make us see and to make us see and to make us see that this place is historic and readers down there they told earnestones because they own several properties around here they told those charter schools the end of they told those to change it different more time for rezoning Let me ask y'all, it seems like we've got nothing more important to take care of. And so we haven't even got a chance to review the maps, mark the maps, or you can speak about them. I see if you're okay with that. It is 722, and we do want the city to show us something. We have to say it relates to the maps. And one has seen their maps on the table with little things on it. Other than Mr. Erie, can we just speak for one before you do? Oh, so I just wanted to give you a sense of what we have from everybody here, if you're okay with that, to look at the maps, or if you rather focus on them. The boring question is, back on that. But I do feel like there's a big difference here. It's up to y'all how to mark the city. It's up to whatever y'all. You and my teacher and I, and two years y'all inside. And it's other people in the neighborhood who are not necessarily part of the structure of Echo Heights. So, yeah, I think, you know, since all this has been brought up, you know, let's go through this exercise. But also there are a couple of actions that we need to follow up a dialogue with the city. That is a moratorium. And then it was a request to measure air quality. So those are two action items that have been put out. But let's go through this exercise. Let's not let this opportunity pass us by. Let's go through this exercise, and then we can talk at the end. There's another request to add. And I know you guys have everyone e-mails. So instead of just the Echo Heights group, there's a way that you can send it out to everyone that showed up tonight. So sign in sheet with the e-mail list. So adding to that is the demographics. So these industrial businesses are hiring. Who are they hiring? Who are they hiring? Where are they coming from? There's a way the city can get that information. Whether through the chamber or through any other entity. I think that'll be one to just show, is it actually people from the community being hired? Or are they hiring out? How many trucks are in the community? Can they do an audit with trucks that's here? How many trucks are here? We need an audit of that. Because there's thousands of trucks here. Give them a tiny bit of an incident versus the property over here as well. I don't know that yet. So I think the demographics will be good information from the city. The second thing would be if there is a... So I know we're talking about pollution and so OSHA should be involved with businesses in tracking their MSDS sheets and tracking kind of how they're doing things. So the city involved with OSHA and getting OSHA involved with these industrial businesses to go and do reports because really that's an OSHA thing to where they can go and check and find out the safety and the pollution of each business. I think that could be something the city can assist with doing. So that's not a new statement we actually mentioned back then. Just saying if we can... So again, how many times has the city... No, no, no. As far as OSHA is going out and verifying if they're up to code and they're validating what they're supposed to be saying or identifying if they do have hazardous materials or on their property and if so what they are. If they're up to code. How many restaurants we have an A and F in the window. Is that what you're thinking about? Well, OSHA should just come out and do reports. They come out and they actually own job sites. They actually test the safety and quality of the job sites. They do the same thing for businesses that are controlling and have hazardous materials. They have a standard. And the control point about that is that they don't even just not regulate the bidders that even have their names on the bidder. So I think... We can't even identify what this business is. Unbelievable. So I think the city can help with that. And also I don't know who all has a copy of the 2023 plan. I think that would be good. But then if we can just email it instead of people having to go find it right now. That's a typical point. We can... Everybody who's signed up on here will send an email and ask if we can kick out links. Just send out the 2023 plan and also send out the pass. So we're looking to do tonight a 20-year plan. I'm sure there was a 20-year plan 20 years ago. What did that plan look like? We'll get a copy and see what actually has changed. Right? Because again, what we don't want to do is do this just to do this and have community doing exercises and meeting. And whatever they put down or we put down, it's the same issue 20 years from now. Again, I grew up... I have family that live in Echo Heights. Stop 6 Eastwood. Again, I'm a kid from Forward. I still have family that live over here. That's what I'm saying. So the community looks the same, feels the same for me. Being a resident of southeast, east forward, what I see is very much the same. I'm a kid that grew up with us. So I understand the concerns. I get the concerns very much so. So what I'm asking for the city to do is provide the documentation and information. So at least we can... Those of us who may not have been in the emails from Echo Heights, just provide the information to the community instead of having to go to the website to find it, look forward, find a link, just share it. Right? So I think those things can help move a little bit forward. The Memorandum, I like that. Suggesting if it is 120 days, is there a way to kind of, you know, re-up or add it again for another 120 or is what can we do? So there are ways in which city, state, that you can kind of go and, again, think outside the box. Because right now we're so in a box right now that it seems like the city's trying to protect certain things. We just got to open it up. Right? We've seen it happen in Joplin over in Dallas. Right? We've seen it happen with Shingle Mountain in Dallas. So, again, we're experiencing and been experiencing this for my lifetime and I'm for it. Right? And I know what's happening before that. So I'm saying we have to do something. And I'm saying we collectively. So I'm asking the city, if y'all can, provide that information, provide that data so we can stop having the data conversation and then actually get demographics, get the information. And, again, a source test and I understand, I'm pretty sure the city didn't do your source test. They did not. But there is a black company that's over in Sun Valley that can come do a source test. If the city doesn't mind, let's support the black business. He can come out and do a source test. Right? We can also get people to do air quality tests. So I'm saying there are things we can do right now that's not going to cost a million bucks because of thousands of dollars to do a source test. Okay. I would just say. They're sitting in storage. Well, I'm just saying. So I'm saying stuff that we can do. And if you don't mind, right, if Ms. T. is saying, hey, come do a source test in my backyard. Please, I already encouraged that. Absolutely. I'm saying, would you mind sponsoring that? Right? I don't. What's going on? And I'll say something without comment. Yeah. You are here for profit. Not just you, but the corporations are here for profit. And I heard a comment. I just want to highlight. I heard this. We're not going to grow. But we're definitely going to keep it this way. And I'm going to push back against that one. Make it less. Find a way. They live here. Like, you're not going to have to deal with this. It's going to be my kids and the kids of my kids. So what I'm trying to say here is not only do you, because you said if y'all could provide, you will provide the information. Am I right? Sure. We will do that. Great. And I'm going to go back to Spanish, because I've noticed that often in these kind of meetings, we're missing some voices, you know? Let's make sure they're working people, right? That we're going to ask. They can also have a say beyond this time. Once again, thank you. You don't have to apologize for what you're doing. All I'm trying to say is you said something about pollution is legal. It shouldn't be. No, no. And I'm not. I heard you. Pollution is legal, you said. We're not trying to. But all I'm trying to say to you is this. This is the air we breathe. To clarify. There's a lot of money for you to make compared to the air that I get to breathe. The air that we all get to share. You mean to say legal? No. It'll be legal. Because it sounds like legal. I was like, hold on. Let me just hear it. Not against the law. Against the law. And on the air monitoring, the Sun Valley Property Privilegian wrote a letter supporting or CPA grant to find money from additional APA Maryland. If there's a way to do private air monitoring, we're looking into that. We're fully supportive of if there's a pollution there, let's find it. Let's identify who's generating it, shut them down, remediate. We are concerned about this too. Our employees work here. I spend the majority of my week there. I'm breathing the same air as you folks. I think the pollution concern is absolutely as merit and let's find it together. Okay. This is a great process. I'll show it up quick tonight. You have to condense two hours before the work in the next 20 minutes. It's not working. It's not working. And if it does, it'll be a shame. We don't want that. And it's kind of complicated to do this when there are so many outstanding issues unresolved as far as the community is concerned. They're not ready to take this step to say, here's how we would like it for the next 20 or 30 years when you're still dealing with stuff that's happened the last 20 years. So here's my suggestion for the last 20 minutes. If somebody could take the drawing, the magic marker up there and just say, for one thing that we all agree on, we should have a perhaps try a 120 day moratorium. So just pass this task. This table's already put stuff on the map and written up. I just want to say don't let this process with the neighborhood drop at this meeting. There should be continuing dialogue to go into August 8th with a number of suggestions and say, you know what, we've heard what feedback the community had here. And here are our suggestions for things we hadn't thought of before that night. One, two, three, I heard some good things about truck monitoring, truck photography, so on. There's no reason why you can't do that. There's no reason why you can't show up on August 8th with a number of suggestions from this neighborhood and say we now want to act in good faith because in case you couldn't tell, you have negative credibility over here. We have less than zero credibility. And I have never seen a city staff treat a neighborhood so disrespectfully as this city staff did with that EPA grant. That is just outrageous. And so we're going to be over here for a long time until we get this resolved. For y'all, not to even talk about environmental justice in these plans is also outrageous. So there's another talking point you can include on the table. By the way, who need to start using this language to match our intent and to match our policy? Right? So do it on the mat, that's fine. They already know, everybody knows what, everybody that grew up here like the cheese knows exactly what they want to see. Knows what they love, knows what they hate. You've heard an hour of that tonight. That's no mystery. The problem is having advances caused to the age. What do we get new on the age that we weren't going to get before? What is the neighborhood going to get out of it? That they were not going to get before you had this exchange tonight? Show some freaking good faith and put some investment into making concessions that this neighborhood wants you to make. They are not even big concessions. But they are concessions that show you are going the right way. Unless you do that, this is only going to get worse, and I think you already suspect that this is a problem or this never dealt with before. And it will turn into a freaking sheet of milk. So do something tonight to continue this process on. If we can't get through this whole thing tonight, schedule a meeting with these folks. They are represented by attorneys. They can negotiate with y'all and show up on the age with something that shows you have a more serious attitude about this problem. Well, and we should owe you feedback before the age. So you have a chance to react to it. That's why I wanted this to happen right after the meeting at WM Green. But we got put up, we got pushed off. Until now, until two weeks before the August 8th. So August 8th is a deadline, but that should actually be pushed off even farther before any of these changes can happen. Because we need additional input like everyone's saying. They've erred their complaints. We've all erred our complaints because two weeks is not enough time to make the substantial changes needed to be made. Yeah, we can put dust on a map. We know we want the blue area to shrink. You know we want the purple to go away because it's undeveloped and move back to recreational industry, or open space or whatever. We want moratorium on zoning requests. We want air monitoring stations. Shrink the industrial growth center. Change all undeveloped. Industrial zoning back to, un-industrial. That's essentially that. I just want to be careful with that. I don't want to create a situation where I'm encouraging residential to come in between existing industrial. Right, not existing industrial. That's something that we have. So I just want to let people talk about that. I will know what he said. He wants to put a parking lot on a piece of open, I don't know what's there now, grass or gravel or what. But every time you add a building, a building or pavement, you're adding to an urban heat island effect. It's already hotter over here than it is in less forward. Because there's so much pavement and building tops. That creates an industrial, that creates a, what did I say? Urban heat island effect. And they have to run their conditioners longer. It's hotter, 119 degrees. That's not safe. I would just say what you're describing is absolutely true in the urban heat islands and urban forestry ordinance. We exceed that with our tree planting, our canopy cover, because we would like to counteract as much as we can. At least all of our new developments, we talked about the internal combustion engine and the particulate matter here. We're installing EV charging infrastructure into all the parking areas as we get rid of the internal combustion engine and convert to EVs. We're going to do what we can to mitigate any of these effects. So you said that you already approved all the land. You don't own all the land. So Mr. Bowie, previously when I was talking about the Lyon capital group, they literally came over to buy us for $150,000. Oh wow. And then they offered to give a some money to WM Green. So it doesn't be $100,000 as a scholarship if we approve and allow them to put their trucking company there. And so I heard Mr. Williams asked you a minute ago would you be willing to fund? So if you don't get yours approved, prior to you applying, are you willing to invest into the community that you say you still like to get approved or not? Yeah, he have a hundred lots and he's not invested in debt. Oh, I think it's important that we become neighbors and having a strong edge. I'm sorry, is that a yes or no? We will continue to invest to be a good neighbor. I'm sorry, to the question, is that a yes or no? Yes, we're willing to purchase or invest into that that he asked you or no or not? I didn't hear the question, I'm sorry. He's been here for the whole sample. He's been here for the whole sample. Well, there's some your lots of kind of vacant lots in the community to be able to see kind of where so again, how it's your business you have a bottom line but then as a good investment good faith effort and you are concerned with stats and things that's going on with your community would you be willing to do that? Well, you've done this before, right? No, you've done all of it. You've done all of it. And so if there are, maybe across a certain city but the city would allow to kind of test vacant lots or other owners would test their lots I think that's something that is so good that you're from businesses to the community that we're willing to play out part of it. We signed a letter a hundred percent and they're testing air, water, soil we're all for testing If I could write a check to have a backyard tested I fear it's not that simple. Let me ask you to have a plenty of lots so they can do a lot for those lots that have a meeting you have a hundred lots over there so come on now I'm going to come on now because I know Cody said I have a certificate at W3D Yeah, name something some type of violation so you want a hundred lots over there so you own some of those that were in violation so come on with me now come on still be kind of time is right there's a question here My question the next request is truck routes these areas have too many streets designated truck routes and when you look across the city you're going to see let's take Ridgley off of Camp Bowie there's another truck route we've got truck routes that's why these 18 willers are going up and down the streets and when you look at the land uses on both sides are mostly residential low barter two churches a daycare a community park a community center but we deal with the 18 willers so the request is let us look at the truck routes you know we need to de-designate some of these truck routes on these arterial neighborhood streets I would address this issue on truck routes I'm not sure yes I heard I'm not sure what the designated truck routes are but they should be intended really for them to get to and from the interstate not see using it as a cut through but at the same time if there are facilities where they're going to drop off goods or pick up goods they have the right to use those roads to get to those facilities and then back out but they shouldn't be using neighborhoods as cut through so what it sounds what it sounds like here is a couple of things that could be going on it sounds like there are industrial facilities that have been built in and around residential areas and one of the things that we'll have to look at is are they using these neighborhoods for cut throughs are they going directly to their drop off points or pickup points and then back to a designated truck route just taking them to the interstate so they're getting out of the community so we will I don't need I'm not asking a question I'm saying that that's what we'll have to evaluate and we're willing to work with the community as we do that to look at those things I'm just explaining the things that we have to look at related to that So Tahoe runs north and south Peco Hillside runs north and south but on the corner of David Strickland I'm sorry, on the corner of Parker Henderson there's three waste companies there so they go down south they turn on Pecos, they come up Tahoe or they'll come up Hillside or East over those are residents and resident areas there's no companies on those streets for them to actually document and come down those areas however they're supposed to go in and turn around and come back up to I think Martin and they'll then go down to Catch the Freeway and of course you know the freeway there's kind of construction so they can still go across the bridge that the city has built for them that nice pretty bridge in front of the Peridot Park then go across that bridge and then go on to the north and catch the freeway right there but instead they're going down Tahoe East over, Hillside, Pecos and all those short streets again there's 752 houses over in the Echo Heights area they're worn by these houses and some of them are dropping trash these are waste trucks that are coming down the street the waste trucks the waste trucks and trash is just flying out and you see it on 287 but anyway is somebody recording all the requests? okay is it possible for some of the PD cameras to help monitor those trucks? no, they're over-hike cameras you're talking about and also having PD assist in my other locations cities where I work speed and over-hike cameras are legal I don't know about over-hike cameras here in Texas but I know speed cameras and red light cameras do you know of over-hike cameras are legal? I don't know a hundred cameras across the city a lot of them are stationed in South Seaswood Echo Heights the state doesn't allow those to be used for monitoring traffic violations is what he's saying are you talking about the block cameras that read the last week's fight? I'm talking about cameras that they use or there's a violation of the truck they track this is completely different from our crime areas so those cameras are set up in our crime areas that have been committed in those areas the license-breeders? I don't know man just go and see there's surveillance cameras speak with surveillance so what I'm asking is for those specific cameras that are already tracking crime these trucks are committing violations crimes can they be set up in these areas? it may depend on the crime we have to find out if the state of Texas allows them to use them for traffic violations what I'm saying is in other states has anybody driven in Washington DC or some of these in the East Coast they have cameras if you're going over a speed limit you're going to get a ticket the police don't have to be there they also have cameras that regulate trucks that go off of their route if they're off their route and be taken on those cameras there's a big fine but here in the state of Texas to my knowledge they're not legal what we can do you don't have to give no violation at least know the route same thing what they're doing with the cameras now they're tracking high crime something happens they get it here but those cameras were malfunctioning so bad most importantly there's no sidewalks those trucks come running first we've been pushing that since 1994 I've been put so literally there have been several deaths on Park Henderson as my children with Doug A. Greenhurst there's no sidewalks there are ditches on both sides and when it rains I remember taking my kids school we come up there we're all muddy because we're walking there and there's rain mud right here and there's no sidewalks and to this moment we have still been pushing for sidewalks they came and built a pretty little bridge that was supposed to support the new trucks as they passed over because of the weight but there's been no sidewalks so the kids are I mean and you can actually look up the deaths or whatever that didn't happen on the street you have parents who have little crawls and flowers sitting on the side of the street identifying their children and family members they've lost due to the fact that there is no sidewalks over there and we've been pushing that since 1994 so the no sidewalks the sidewalk issue is one there are a lot of neighborhoods in Fort Worth that have no sidewalks and they have this kind of an outdated drainage system we do but this is the area of announcement let me finish please so what the city does is as we go through and reconstruct the street I'm not talking about resurfacing I'm talking about where we have to go through reconstruct that street we constructed with sidewalks and drainage that's done as part of the bond program we have a neighborhood streets program I think this last bond was 80 or 90 million dollars worth of neighborhood streets throughout the city that are in such bad shape that they have to be reconstructed they can't be repaired and when we do that we put enough money in those projects to build out the sidewalks and the drainage system now in Echo Heights I'm not sure which sections have been part of that program but we can definitely as part of this review take a look at the condition of the streets in these neighborhoods and which one qualify for reconstruction that's a total reconstruction of that street and as part of that program they would get sidewalks at this point that would happen as soon as it would happen it would be as part of the 2026 bond program but we'll have our TPW team take a look at all the neighborhood streets here and as part, if they're part of that program every street that we reconstruct will get full drainage inside them so councilman they're asking about the part how to park and so it is expected they've used the part to pre-guess the dump and ground with wires sticking out of them to make it unsafe for the kids so they used to be a beautiful part Ferdow Park used to be a beautiful part now it's used as a dumping ground and the fracking site when it rains all of the sediments from that run over into the park we have videos of it so what are y'all going to do about the park they said they were going to clean it up we never did so Ferdow Park is now a dumping ground and they've taken out they took out a lot of the activities for the children that was once there there's hardly nothing there now there's more things at the dog shelter than at the park for the children to play on and it floods in the playground because of some other things that the city has done and the things they have been dumped in the creek it needs to be just a whole neighborhood assessment not a peace bill but she's been holding her hand up for the last 10 minutes with us we don't have lights with us already saying how this isn't enough time within the 2 week frame we've been to city council countless amount of time even starting back in 2021 what kind of assurance can we give from the city with us with this because before we even met with empire as somebody as I already said before we were told by a representative to we should hear them now they're a good company but we're studying constantly telling you guys exactly what it is that we do not want within our area but yet it seems it keeps getting ignored or overlooked towards at this point now we have this meeting but this meeting isn't addressing anything that we're bringing to your attention nothing has been discussed as to what that meeting that we are already planning for to be even discussed then so what can we get from you guys to assure us that what it is that we're bringing to your attention now that you've heard the flooding we had that big flood in last august it was funny I don't know if anybody came and cleaned it up it was just the wind that just knocked it off but it's only one with a spot for kids to play I have a daughter now who is concerned because it's not just me it's her husband as well and so where it is we bring it to y'all's attention countless amount of times when is it that you're going to put your foot down and say okay they've already said that they don't want this over here rather than saying well let's go about it do a different way or let's push it out or let's try to just get you guys to hear what this company has to say well at this point we kind of fit up with hearing what these companies have to say no offense to you Mr. Bowie we've been doing your job but when it comes to our area we've already said that some people aren't able to make it to these city council meetings or even this meeting because they have other things to do you have a lot of single parents you have some like he said it's stated before you have some of the literature that's not even in Spanish which our area is black and brown community so what is it that you guys are going to do to reassure us that we are being heard and the black people in the Hispanic are being heard as well so a couple of thoughts stop treating us like we are a dummy and like we are a human now we're going to have to stop best stops tonight it's done to stop so a couple of thoughts one is that we're going to get from the communications group everybody's e-cams we have all that together we're going to send out all the information and maps that are here as well as we'll compile the requests that we heard and make sure that we've got that correct on August 8th is the comprehensive plan which as Eric has talked about is a policy which is a guide but there's a number of requests that I heard tonight that are outside of that comprehensive plan and so some of those we can come back with some responses fairly quickly and others may take a little bit more time I'm going to do some research I don't know about the OSHA piece or I don't know about what we can find out about demographics for private companies or research it wouldn't be part of the comprehensive plan action but I think if we can kind of separate that out and be real clear about here are the requests we heard here's what we're following up on and then here are the changes the policy change for the comprehensive plan that could be considered now I do think it's totally within the current council's purview if they would like to delay it it's on their agenda they continued it to a date certain whether that evening is up to them whether it's up to them to take some action but what I hope is some potential good news is I have reached out to our law department earlier this evening when you were asking about the moratorium and so again the attorney wants to check tomorrow but they believe that the moratorium on industrial rezoning if it's specific to industrial rezoning that they may be able to extend until that next comprehensive plan or some other date certain that the mayor and council are comfortable with so the 90 days and 120 days applies to as I understand it applies to development so for example if I have industrial rezoning today as a property I have the right to develop that today and so we're not talking about the moratorium on the development where I have the right we're talking about the moratorium on a zoning change request so there's two different things so they think we're going to have more flexibility to have that moratorium be longer in time than the 120 days I'm hoping that that holds true. So for existing property owners that have industrial let's take this piece of vacant property over here could the city check and see if all these folks have their apartments now it looks like he's about to install some lights some very tall lights that's going to shine in these folks backyard every night it's quite adjacent to Eugene McCrary now he's got deals that look like he's about to install lights now when I go on to one address okay I understand but when I go on to one address I don't see a permit for that I'm saying check to see if these folks have proper permits for the work that they're about to do so he's one that how do you know he's going to do lights? let's walk out and maybe you can tell me what I'm looking at he's got the little pole things in place all over this property I got a ticket for a pole every day for a month until I took just a simple pole down because it was too but this property owner and I don't want to digress but it's for example he was doing things for years and wasn't getting permits I would go to Allison Gray I would go to others and Cody and he was having piles of dirt and he's been doing things for years and I think it's other property owners that are doing that also they just go ahead and do what they want to do they're not pulling permits and what I'm saying is let's check into it I just want to kind of piggyback on as we were speaking about sidewalks counselor and Martinez about a month ago councilman Bibbins had a meeting at the library with South White Hills manor Lake Hill and Rendo so she was trying to push sidewalks on them that they don't want and so then she said I have a lady here who would love to get those sidewalks in her community and I said absolutely and I don't know if they can be transferred or pushed over but they don't want the sidewalks we want the sidewalks is it any way you can communicate with her to move that over here I don't know I just heard her saying she asked me during the meeting was James with your area like those sidewalks and I said yes I'm sad let me just say a little time it's not quite how it works so put them in over there I don't want to just talk to your whole council probably use that money for something else but I'm going to really push for the neighborhood improvement here and like we've seen in other neighborhoods and that would if we get it that would bring the park sidewalks and streets that's from I guess the bond project that you're talking about in addition to it would take a little bit longer but this could be so in addition to everything we have going on over there 287 could make the corridors coming through and that's going to bring more pollution to our area spirit smile not pretty more pollution but we're going to give it worse for us and like I keep saying the area should never have been industrialized some of that stuff needs to go including some of your 100 logs so that you won't care alright so just to be clear that everyone here signed in and left your email email if you don't want to give me a phone that's fine but we do need an email to be corresponded with the information and the updates move forward we need to make sure that we're able and so long as the child understands it's echo heights stop six environmental coalition it doesn't have to be sent to the saneric club it doesn't have to be sent to down ones although they are always included it doesn't have to be sent to community front lines it needs to be sent to us so then we'll share but please make sure that we're involved in including the conversation that we initially started to begin with that's right alright so we gotta get out of here right? they gotta go home close there's a list here there's thoughts on that from that