 Jack how are you brother? How's it going Chris mate good to be back. Yes. Yes, it is nice, mate It is nice. I've really been looking forward to this to this chat before we go any further and before I even introduce you Massive massive. Hello to our friends at home. I'm just gonna play you the video that our wonderful Podcast manager and editor Luke did so if I can queue this up Right, let's get this going A few people go yeah, but surely there's a boat that you get on to and you sleep on that and then you get back on the Rowan bow and I'm like no The first six miles I was I've got I've got this in the bag You know and then people always go all was the hardest bit the third night or I was going the last 24 miles No one can go you took the easy route You know and you know you've got to work from you gotta get after them But then you know the heart of the battle the sweet of the victory they said boom. There we go And again now we're going to get rid of that Jack massive massive welcome. So friends at home Jack Jarvis 59 commando Royal engineers Has smashed smash the record books By rowing was it is from Portugal to Florida Jack wasn't it? Yes, correct, mate. So I'm pretty amazing 111 days at sea 1630 nautical miles and I'm the first person to go from mainland Europe to mainland North America So yeah, should have my certificate in the next couple of days. So yeah Guinness World Record all official. So yeah, pretty awesome, right? Good, you should also get the Guinness World Record for being the second most essence Person on this podcast There you go, I don't know. I don't know who's the first mate. He's definitely not you Chris. I've got no idea mate No, I just I just make this up as I go along Don't worry about I'm cuffing it as well. So were you thinking of your dear granddad because you rode brain in to raise funds for brain trust and That's something something close to your heart Yeah, that is Very true. So I did the the row sort of in memory name a boat after my granddad budget And I in turn raised money for brains trust. It's a brain tumor charity based in the UK And at the moment, we are just shy of 70,000 pounds, which is absolutely amazing I've never thought I'd raised 10,000 pounds let alone 70. So yeah, it's that money's really going to help people I know people always a little bit dubious about charities, but speaking to Will their CEO They've doubled the amount of people they're helping Every month since December. So it's not just the money that's helped the charity out It's also the profile their profiles been raised. So yeah makes it all worthwhile and you know, if I could spend 111 days at sea You know and it seems like a small sacrifice if I can help such an amazing charity Well, we'll come on and talk about that because I don't know about small I don't think small comes into this equation because I was utterly blown away It made me love life even more to know how much effort you were putting in Because it's beyond human endeavor, you know, anyone can can You know, you say row across the Atlantic not belittling that challenge. Many people have done it and that's incredible in itself But bloody hell Over a hundred days on your own But before we talk about that, let's just say a Big thank you to everyone who donated to you and who's so yes, I've said supported you along the route because People are very kind aren't they? Yeah, and it's Chris probably should say that so people said I don't know you kept going and but you know some of you So many people donated money best mate gave Like 300 quid so much so many people get so much money my amazing sponsors They enabled me to get to the start lines of big thank you to all of them guys as well But you know, I get like maybe a text or a message through saying I'm so and so has donated under a quid And I might be feeling sorry for myself, but as soon as I saw that I was like Well, I bet stop, you know sat in the cabin, you know, being a big girl's blouse I need to get out there and get rowing. So, um, yeah, you know the money people giving that that donating that money helped me accountable So yeah, big thank you to everyone Yes, absolutely. It's um, I Think it's great when you do things like this Jack because I think people maybe live vicariously through it you know people that maybe Haven't had the chance to do that sort of thing in their own life or possibly don't Maybe don't have the Get up and go to do it, but they but through social media they can join you on the journey and really really feel like a part of it Yeah, no, and I definitely sort of agree with that To an extent and I wanted to I wanted to want to inspire people as many people as I could I had a good message when I was half out of a mate Nick Bloomfield. He He was like watching you do that has just made me sign up for a half iron man So, you know, that was cool But yeah, you know if I could inspire a few people hopefully and hopefully because I do believe people have got it physically They just need to unlock it mentally. That's what it's all about Why don't you row it again, and then you'll make maybe we'll do a full Ironman Yeah, yeah, I should so because it's taken so long to get the boat back I'm sort of wishing I'd had just got the boat up to New York and rode it back That would have been pretty awesome But yeah, you know Yeah, but potentially I'll have to get on to it. There was talk about me and him doing it half doing a full Ironman next year So at least we have a word with it. Yes Yes, I've Had a little bit of experience of that. Yeah, I Failed my first try out. I think we might have talked about this last time I failed my first try Well, I say I didn't you how can you fail? You know you taking part is the main thing but My little boy was on the finish line going Where's my daddy? Where's my daddy last I? Come last in my first ever triathlon and The finish line for right in eight weeks time. I do a quadruple iron man Yeah, and it's not folks. I'm not bigger myself up you you can all you know As long as you're relatively able-bodied anyone can do this kind of stuff, but 100% you know, it's been able to turn that that switch and find out what the human body and human mind is Is capable of and you certainly did that Jack. I mean how many days it see a hundred and 111 yeah, so in that time I battled a lot, you know chafing on my arse Hunger dehydration because I didn't get my nutrition right really I I should have taken a lot more food to have per day You know, so, you know the first It was only really the last sort of 15 days two weeks I could start to enjoy the food because I knew I was gonna make it And I wouldn't need all my rations, but yeah, I was I was certainly hungry saw some great sites You know Marlin sharks whales dolphins loads of fish. It was it was pretty cool So a lot of rubbish as well. So make sure you've been your rubbish I don't chuck the plastic on the floor because I'm fortunate I did see a bit of that But yeah, it was an amazing experience mate, and if I can inspire just you know one person That'd mean the world to me Without getting too deep. Yes. No, well mate You've done what way more than that mate and massive congratulations to you that the rubbish is a funny thing up when I've I've worked in the well What we used to call developing countries we're not supposed to call them that anymore, but When I was I think it was Mozambique I was working and I was on a boat. We'd done some sort of trip And I remember I finished my walk this bottle of water And I looked at the boat guide and I was like I was like gesturing to him like mate. What do I you know, where's your rubbish bin and he went? It looked to me like I was stupid and just threw it over the water. Yeah, so It it's incredible that there's a Recommend to anybody to watch it. There's a documentary on Netflix at the moment. It's called solar Solar something it's about these two Norwegian lads They take themselves off for a winter on this Isolated beach in the north of Norway and they surf they build themselves a cabin and they surf through the way it's just it's an incredible documentary, right and They made it their mission to clean up the beach and they cleaned up something like eight tons of plastic Yes, oh so how cold was that water in the north of Norway in winter? Yes, yes, they were having to fill up their wetsuit gloves with like boiling what, you know pouring boiling in the kettle Yeah, just to defrost their gloves Really really I love that I love that kind of Love that kind of story but back to your story What is the most asked question that you get asked and then I'm gonna ask that one most Probably off lads how many wanks did you have? But oh another one Didn't you did you not get bored I get that a lot, you know Or like or another common one is why didn't you just take your rest? Oh Yes, and I bet that was you know, that's an annoying one to keep getting ass Yeah, it's it's a funny one because you know at first at first people would be like, you know Yeah, surely a rest day would be nice but promise you have a rest day You're not going anywhere for a start You're not getting close to the finish in your goal and also Sitting in the cabin is incredibly boring and it's not a nice place to be and it's hot stuffy Damp mold as well starts to grow if you spend too much time in there. So yeah The rest days were pretty the days where I had to rest I the weather was the wind was too strong to row into Were probably some of the worst days in fact And another one as well. Did you get big storms? I get outside a lot, but the worst days for me weather-wise were When there'd be no wind it was boiling hot No wind to cool you down no wind to help you move the boat You got to do it all yourself feels like your own through custard. So those were the worst days weather-wise for me I'll bet you got asked a lot. How did you go to the toilet? Yeah, so in a black bucket 24 pounds off some website came from China no creature comforts So yeah, that was quite an enjoyable thing, you know that first Nikes poo on a on a bit of porcelain was was very nice Did you take army Russians? No, so I bought my rations from companies like firepot food expedition expedition foods active eats real term apps And so I had loads of variety there freeze dried and they're actually pretty good most of about a thousand calories. So yeah Certainly come a long way from corn beef hash mate, which me and you know all too well Yes on our recent exped because as you know because you very kindly have me on your show the other night We're friends at home I'm gonna break the world record for staying on rock all which is a remote island a tiny little rock in in the north Atlantic and as part of our training Myself and cam cameron hello cam who's the expedition leader who came up with the idea Yes, can no surprise there cam cameron And and knobby hello knobby who's who's our radio operator We went to a rocking Cornwall and we stayed on there and we We actually had military rations And they're not freeze dried. They're actually just in the bag rations. So they're already yeah wet rations. Yeah wet rations And Yes, it's Interesting the difference because obviously they're they're a lot heavier because they're already hydrated On the other hand, I reckon you probably You get a better Meal a better taste is Am I right jack or is it? I honestly think the what the freeze dried ones are really good now, you know, so much choice so much variety um, so I wouldn't You know as long as you put enough water in there absolutely I think they're good to go mate to be honest. I mean don't get wrong the wet rations are a nice treat you know because the The texture is very similar with freeze dried rations So, um, yeah, they are a nice treat. I've taken mix You know take a mix Did you have any fresh to start off with? Yeah, yeah, so Watermelon a few bananas a few oranges a couple of apples a few apples That lasts about three weeks another one for you as well take wraps So that's just another way to bulk your rations out and they'll last about two three weeks What wraps the coke? Ha ha ha Sorry, I didn't I wouldn't know anything about that mate. Do you know what I mean? I never I never do that. Um No, uh, no, so I'll see your wraps. So another brilliant trick. All right, so Hazelnut spread smother that on there and then put a kind of bueno in the middle, mate Wow Yeah, that's that's living right there. Mate. That's living It's funny actually we mentioned uh substances There's a great video on youtube. Uh, the chap's name It might come to me. Let me move on. But anyway, there's a great military guy on on youtube and He highlight highlighted the story of this Japanese Was it Japanese or was it German? Or was it right? No, I think he was a russian soldier and in the second world war in a moment of sort of Desperation he necked a whole pot of like this dexadrine, you know this amphetamine. They used to issue to troops Yeah, yeah, and the guy went straight into psychosis And he didn't stop like moving forward for It was something like 10 10 10 days He was just storming through enemy positions and they didn't know like who's this random Random guy on a pair of skis just blitzing through Sorry, mate. I digress No, it's fine, mate. It's interesting. I love stories mad stories like that It's just so much fascinating stuff to In in life to talk about life. Oh, mate too short No, you're 100 right, man. I love mad stories like this and I always used to post to use those mad stories, mate about You know like geezers that survived in life or after the second world war for like 30 days, you know Like with nothing absolutely nothing and then get captured by the japanese, mate. So yeah, it's Yeah, I mean all these like mad stories certainly helped me get through get through the row Yeah, I love those stories as well. Stephen Callaghan 76 days adrift. Um, yeah It was again, there's a great story on Netflix at the moment can't remember the name of it, but three downed aircrew I think they're in like off Bermuda or somewhere or it may be may have been the Far East, but um Yeah, they it's amazing with like literally almost nothing on you How in ingenious you can become to survive. Yeah 100% 100% I mean not much went wrong in my boat. Thank god Um, but yeah if I had done, you know, you it's completely out there alone, you know, you've got to fix it yourself Um, which probably worries my mum a lot because she knows I'm not the handiest of people um However, I did change my uh, my fuel filter. Sorry oil filter on my car the other day. That was a great win for me Mate, that's not a bad effort because that's quite. No, it is quite. Yeah. Yeah Well, people, you know people say, ah cha-cha, you know, well record holder like how'd you know, how would you uh maintain that high? I'll tell you how you maintain that high by changing your oil filter on your car and saving yourself 80 quid Yes And running across the road without pushing the Yeah, yeah, yeah Nutella wrap Changing your oil filter running across the road without pressing the button. That's how you live, mate What was the biggest challenge you what was the biggest problem you had? So probably changes, you know at the start it was it was definitely the loneliness, uh chris And then sort of as As you stay out there, you know, you've done 10 days two weeks You know, you just get used to it, mate. So Then it just becomes food, you know, you start to crave more and more Uh, but I would say that personally that the toughest thing was just the length of it, you know 111 days 14 hours a day every day was was tough, man And did that mean when you got a message from david beckham that made it All the more better Yeah, it did mate. That was absolutely awesome, you know to get a message from like becks So steve redgrave, you know, johnny wilson and loads of other celebs is really cool But I'd always say mate like getting You know 10 pound donation of someone you've never ever met before, you know Someone's just like, oh, you know heard you on talkspot You know really Really inspired me say here's 20 quid that meant more to me than the celebrity shout outs Yes, go you mention it and what what happened to the boat? What's that doing now because that they're they're a mean bit of kit aren't they and they're not cheap They are yes So hopefully I'll get that back soon and then um start training get that shipped out I don't know to somewhere in the far east and row across the indian ocean Oh Okay, what has somebody has somebody Bought it or commissioned it? No, no, I might just take out and do another crossing in it. Oh, you're going to oh, yeah potentially. I mean why not, you know Yes, I'm just mate while we're talking. Sorry if I appear appear Distracted I'm just showing people your Your um instagram pictures Yeah, jack Jarvis official on instagram twitter Facebook as well jack Jarvis, please give us a like give us a follow because I'm running a marathon as well in september That we spoke about the other day training turmoil for that another 15 care in the bag today feeling good Just got some cbd oil from 4 5 so yeah looking forward to testing out as well. So yeah exciting times coming Yes, yeah, we've got to keep it going now all your life. How's um, how's your prep going for? the Rockle stay um It's it's going well It's a big old challenge. Yeah, you know and the Logistics are quite a consideration Just trying to get a boat that will take you 300 miles into the north atlantic Then you've got to get all your kit your sleeping arrangement Radio gear survival gear rations Da da da da da upper rock in what could potentially be 10 meter swell Yeah, it's it's a big thing the fuel alone is going to cost a fortune Yeah So any anybody watching if you know anyone that can help us out there some people have done it by helicopter But I think because of the range of a helicopter you've got to have it like a ship based helicopter So I think Greenpeace had a ship based helicopter and yeah, they brought the ship up then then the chopper ferried You know transited transited them across but um No, we're firing on it mate. You know we're going as fast as we can we've Since I've been aboard we've been getting all our social media um You know Cemented in because that's obviously the probably the most important foundation Yeah, before you even talk about transport and fuel and and food and and whatever You've you've got to have you kind of your media platform in in place We have to go down At some point we we've left our land pod on this rocking Cornwall We We had to leave it there because we were asked by the company that got us off the rock Could you just leave everything because the weather? The the swell was kicking up the wind was kicking up and they Obviously that they're From their perspective they wanted to get us off safely Yeah, um, but it's left us with a The challenge of getting our pod back and it's full of kick because they We just left everything that wasn't crucial put a wetsuit on and we jumped into the sea and swam to the Swam to the boat. Yeah swam to the boat or swam to a jet ski which took us to the boat, but um Yeah, it's interesting Interesting times it's I haven't really considered the Magnitude of it jack if you're not I mean and I don't think I ever will I think I just crack on with it Yeah but You know you talk about I mean I'll be there with Cam there'll be not be our radio guy will stay there a couple of days to do his ham radio bit He'll break a few world records there by Um, actually even being on rock all and broadcasting with a radio. It's got its own call sign Yeah, cam and I will then be left to break the world record and As much as you say boredom on your own The other side of the coin is you know to be with another human being literally on a on a platform a small shelf of rock for What essentially is going to be two months Yeah, mate. No, it's tough and You know ask me how come you did it on your own and I said Well, you know if you do it on your own you've got no one to argue about something doesn't happen It's because on it's because for you you've got no one else to blame Whereas there's like a team of four pairs threes fives, whatever, you know, a lot of team dynamics You've got to get right there. So yeah, certainly is uh Certainly are there are pros to doing it solo, mate Yes, mate. I'm just going to keep firing in here because there's stuff that people are seeing at home. So Uh letter on behalf of the prime minister. Do you want to can you tell us about that? Well, the soon-to-be ex prime minister. Yeah, so I've got a letter from Boris Johnson Which was really cool Well signed by him, you know, just saying well done. So that was pretty awesome as well when I when I finished Could have given me a shout out before mind, you know, that probably would have helped get some corporate sponsorship. So Yeah And you're in the water in this picture here of you with your mask and snorkel on Was that cleaning the barnacles off off the boat in the bottom of the boat? Yeah, so people, you know would ask How come you got off that do you get off the boat? It's not like a break. It was literally, you know business get off clean the barnacles off and it can add Work an increase in speed by about one knot and where my average speed was 1.8 knots, you know, it certainly makes a big difference Yes, I I bet you don't want to get like clogged down. Do you No, not at all and of course a big question. What was it like arriving in where about st. Florida? Did you arrive so a place called stewart? So landed in florida and it was it was absolutely amazing You know seeing my friends family there my best mate was crying. Sorry for stitching you up there kind of wolf Um, it was you know, it was amazing, you know Oh, yeah, I can't explain that feeling to be successful to get the world record pure pure you for fury and you know and To go out plans for 18 months and then grind it out and earn it for 111 days It wasn't even 111 days. It's all the planning as well. You know, it's better than any materialistic thing. I've ever bought, you know any experience on you know anything anything like Yeah, pure pure fulfillment and joy and um A more serious question. Have you got laura woodsy's phone number? Um, I haven't unfortunately a big thank you to you know laura woods and and sam at talk sport for getting me on They were brilliant with their support mate. Um, can't follow them And you know, I'd often get messages, you know from my team saying oh Someone's donated and they captured me heard you on talk sport mate. Absolutely amazing In fact funny story when we were in miami went to the miami heat game Bumped into this guy at the bar and he said oh to my best mate is that oh what you're doing here So I'll I'll make jack's just rodeo's from portugal and he was like is he the guy I've talked to sport the rower and I said Yeah, yeah, that was me so Because I met that met that guy in miami. So that was awesome What was it like getting your your haircut here then? Nice real nice nice to get a beard off. I definitely think I prefer myself without a beard Um need to sort this out as well because it's getting pretty long So, yeah Oh mate, if ever I want a fresh start to the day or the week or my life. I just Get the clippers out and I have a A man man, what do you call it man manicure? Man manicure. Yeah. Yes. There's a picture you hear looking incredibly different um And how did you find florida? Was that is that your first time you've been there? No, no, I've been there before um once with work And once we're working and once a couple of times my family, you know doing the disney park disney parks and stuff like that um, so yeah, really cool. Love the americans were Absolutely blown away by the challenge. They didn't really believe it. They're like, oh my god. Wait a second. You didn't want You know, so it was it was epic. It was absolutely epic. The food was incredible as well. What a place to finish it Yeah, we should give a shout out to our american brothers and sisters. They're wonderful. Yeah, wonderful wonderfully kind kind people um, I enjoyed florida I learned to fly and learned to skydive in florida and had a bloody great time there And what was it like then? Let me sorry. I'm just I'm just looking at you coming in with a flare I bet that was the moment you Thought about in your head Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, mate. Incredible mate. Absolutely incredible Yes, that gets you through the tough days, mate when you're there flaring hand Phenomenal what were your family? Were your family here? Yeah, they were all there mum stepdad grandma little brother cousins auntie aunties should I say Yeah, it was I honestly, I can't describe it. You know, it was so intense those last couple of days Last day six hours. So yeah, just absolutely pure pure joy, mate and fulfillment in its absolute purest form Oh, mate must have been to see your family must have been just something so much to look forward to Yeah, 100 percent. The problem is if that was my family, they'd say daddy Could you like go away again because we've been having a great time while you've been away Yeah, we've having a great time with mum. She lets us have all the ice cream yes um What how's it been going back to work? What was the response from your unit like? Yeah, really good. You know, all the boys trapped me. They did a lot of fundraising as well So big up to all the boys at work My current unit. So I'm a I'll be open to our basic training. So our faith the engineers phase two is an instructor So yeah, can't can't fault them enough You know co coming get my shirt man said everyone's been tracking you so made us very proud So that was nice to hear all that. So yeah works been good. I mean, it's obviously a bit of a Oh, not a downgrade but a bit of a Taking some real adjustment. Shall we say, you know, you've you go out there and Your decisions are life and death and then you come back to work and it's just not like that So yeah, it's been interesting, but no, it's good to be back and see what I love to get Do you think your experience because This really has set you up as a solo adventurer Not not just solo. You could be a great team player as well, but but You know, this is above and beyond you you you've organized. You've fundraised. You've done the logistics You you've self motivated you put the effort in You've got to a level in life that a lot of people From a career perspective would would like to get to Does yeah, how does that reflect now on how you you think about your military future Um Yeah, you're you're right. It's certainly I sort of set me up Um, but I don't think you know, you know without the military I wouldn't be where I am now because I never would have done the road without that sort of life lessons they told me so Yeah, it's it's uh, it's an interesting one, mate And certainly the way it sort of changed me is now I mean, I was confident before and I'm Certainly not Eric, but I think I look at challenges now. I think anything's possible. You know I'm like, why don't I swim the Atlantic Ocean next? First person to ever swim it, you know, that'll be pretty incredible. Hey Yes, it's certainly word. I mean someone will Will do that because they'll just get a Support boat won't they and to hop on the boat hop on the boat You could do it. You could do it like ross edgley The only thing I would think you know in big seas might struggle to get back to where you started You know Yes, of course Sorry, mate. I'm just looking at our chat here and we've got some great great people in the chat friends If you want to ask a question for jack Write it now Yeah, quickly get it in because we've got to um, we've got a shooter in about five minutes somewhere. Yes We have we've got a shoot because there's a Cat stuck up a tree in handball Um, we'll be using all of our commander skills to to get it down to go and grab it Safely, uh, we will be making it a cup of tea and tucking it up safely in bed Mate, I've got a question. What what did you think about the the sas doctor entry that was on? Ah, yes Yes, yes, um Mate, I've just put a video out about it. There's so much to be said. So so first of all You know, we have to understand the mainstream media what function that plays in this whole global Matrix Um If there's something in the media, it's there for a reason. It's not just oh this happened today Bullshit, it's it's it's specifically Leading life to a certain point. We've seen this hammering of of our Serving forces and our veterans. We've seen it with the northern island thing Australia the Australian sas have been through it um My personal view is if you commit a crime You should face justice, right? Yeah, if you're clever enough to get away with it, then you know Not hats off to you, but you know, I mean, you know, you know, you're not you're not going to voluntarily go to prison, but you know if somebody Hurt my family in a conflict and it was undone. I I I'd never forgive them, you know, and I know I know you you you you so For friends at home what I'm trying to say is like I'm not one of these people that think just because you're in the military You you you can do what the fuck you want to anybody. No, not so mate. It's okay. You know, we We need to hold ourselves to the high best of standards Yes, exactly. Um What I would say is going on this panorama documentary There clearly was evidence Going back and forward in the unit itself to say, oh my god. What what the hell is going on? You know, this is the temp occasion Where they've gone into a suspected Suspects house This is Afghanistan folks were talking about and the guy went behind a curtain and came out with a grenade and it it's It's worried my opinion my opinion on the documentary is if they had this official They had a the official rapport of all these incidents. Why didn't they publish it? You know if they had it why didn't they publish it? Yeah, what they're saying is is from the military side of things as they covered it up that the higher higher command should have said something um Which obviously obviously they should Uh, I always point say to people, you know before you start getting your ants in your pants or your knickers in a twit Like this is war. It it it's fucking horrible It it is horrible um I would just say in defense Of the special air service of of whom I I know many members or former members They they're a The the people I know are one wonderful human beings um Uh I read a lot of stuff on the falcons Late particularly lately because I've done a lot of podcasts with falcons veterans, etc, etc and there was a massive focus in the falcons on Trying to let the Argentines off without having to kill them Right. Yeah, you know giving them like like a Giving them an avenue through which to surrender to surrender because like if this really comes down to it it's going to be a bloodbath, you know, and There's also I mean I I've done podcasts have to be careful what I say here, but with People that have told me They had to make a decision when um, whether to execute prisoners I don't mean that Frivolous like oh shall we know what I mean is in the middle of a battle when you've got this uh onslaught of of people surrendering And they've all got weapons like Once they've gone behind you and you know you you you Point them in the direction of HQ and say look they're going to take your prisoner over. Yeah, great But there were instances in the falcons where the prisoners then turn around and use their weapons against the troops They just surrendered to this this happened or goose green the white flag was waved I think the part where the para officer Was that an nco went forward to sort of take the surrender and then they opened up on him and they Killed several of the parachute regimen. It was absolutely awful um And I just want to say good credit to british troops the amount of times i've read recently how they really You know conducted themselves with With with with honor Yeah But it's war and people die in war. You've got young men all hyped up on adrenaline You've got people that have played bloody call of duty that have been You know, there's a whole range of factors in this sort of thing that that probably go over the head of most casual spectators Is that Does that make sense jack? Yeah, no, you know, I totally agree with you mate and I you know british soldiers You know need to hold themselves to the highest of standards. I just didn't like Just felt felt like it was um On the documentary. I don't know You know, it's so take Take what they did about the battler daddy boy and they cited phil shiner as a credible source. He's now in the dock Facing charges of fraud for falsifying claims You know, so he's solicited a firm who could make a load of money off the government, you know So, yeah, I just don't I just don't trust really that that parent panorama, but Well, I mean you shouldn't you shouldn't trust mainstream media The media is not for us. It doesn't like us. It doesn't respect it. It's there You know for for for a higher agenda What I was going to say is it didn't help that program that 75 percent of it was based on the australian sas And yeah, exactly and and any one that wasn't in the know would watch that program thinking that these are all uk sas go Well, they weren't they're talking about it was all australian sas footage. Yeah percent of it. Yeah, and also I have a lot of respect for the sas um Sorry the australian whistleblower, you know, he's gone out there and he said that wasn't right and his face is in the public domain you know But the the whistleblowers they had all would check wouldn't didn't want to release their identity You know, so it's easy to hide behind a screen So yeah fair play to him the the whistle mate I think that's about time for us, isn't it? We've got to get that cat out of a tree Let's go and rescue that cat and then we were going to help that old lady across the road, won't we Exactly, mate. Exactly chris mate. It's good to speak to you as always buddy Really appreciate it. Jack you're a legend again as well because I could speak to you for hours Ah, definitely and we're going to do some talks about the Rockall expedition. That would be great. Yeah To have you host me and pick my brain. Yeah. Yeah, definitely, mate. Um, mate. I'm going to play us out Leave the leave the zoom now. Don't don't you get up and go just to say much love to you jack and your family massive congratulations. You you're an inspiration to me I You you you went above and beyond and it's just incredible folks If you can make a donation if you want to follow jack's media, the links will be below If you can like and subscribe that'd be wonderful We'll see you all soon. Cheers jack. Cheers guys. Appreciate it. It's a wrap, mate