 All right. Hi everybody. So I'm Paul frields the engineer Fedora engineering manager and I'm Ryan lech Notably from the Fedora engineering team. Also the design team in many other places as well And from the Fedora magazine. Yeah, so so we both work on the Fedora magazine and entering the room right now to great applause that's Excellent, this is Justin Florey Who is our hello editor in chief? Editor-in-chief in the magazine. So yeah, I'm gonna pass this over to you But I thought for like maybe just for a minute we can describe For those who aren't familiar actually is there anybody here who is not familiar with the Fedora magazine? Okay, not okay, great. Okay, there's a couple people so the Fedora magazine is essentially our way of producing news and outreach for the vast number of people out in the world who use Fedora on Regular basis, so it's not designed Specifically for contributors. There is another Magazine-like entity the community blog if you guys are familiar with that there's community blog dot Fedora project dot org and Justin also takes a a hand in in running that as well Both of these are WordPress instances with some custom styling to make them look very dazzling to the eye and We use these magazines to reach different audiences the community blog reaches internally to more Fedora contributors The magazine is designed to reach outward to a lot of users and hopefully some potential contributors as well But we really concentrate on on reaching users. So we're here to talk a little bit about magazine and how to You know what we want to do to get people involved and hopefully encourage some ideas and stuff So So how many of you have written for the Fedora magazine at any point if you know about it and if you've written for it So a couple people cool So there's a general process that we recommend people to follow for writing for the Fedora magazine and Part of this process involves you kind of penciling out your ideas in the form of what we call a pitch and that's to the benefit of us of having a conversation between you the writer and us the editor team to kind of have a Think about the the topic you're writing for and have a conversation if it'll be a good fit for the Fedora magazine So that way if it doesn't if it's something that might need more feedback or Or it needs feedback or something to talk about before you get started writing it We can do that before you've put in two hours or three hours of your time writing a really cool article That might not just be a good fit for the Fedora magazine audience So the benefit of the pitch is that it helps you also outline your ideas The more our recommendation is is to write like a two to three sentence summary for what your article will be about what the the point of it is what you're trying to do to teach people and then to have like a bullet point lists like Intro and like a couple points like the body of what you're trying to cover and then Just to kind of like have a an idea of what you're trying to pencil out and write So once you do that the next step would be to reach out on our mailing list or Or an IRC to let us know that you have the pitch ready and that you'd like someone to check it out And we meet Thursdays at 5 p.m. US Eastern UTC Yeah, 2100 UTC But if you can't So if you can't Yeah, so if you can't make the the Fedora magazine meeting time, that's fine Just as long as we know that you have a pitch that's ready to be reviewed We'll always go through those at the meeting and we always have them in our meeting minutes And we'll reach out to you if you need extra feet There's more feedback that we have for you on the pitch But just letting us know that you have done it and that you're ready for it to be reviewed Helps us to so that way at our meeting even if you can't make it We'll at least cover it and get some feedback to you or approve the pitch for you to I'm sorry. Yeah Fedora dash magazine is our IRC channel that maybe it might be something worth mentioning to if you've been around for a while We've separated out from the marketing team a while ago to so if you need to get in touch specifically with Fedora magazine folks The best way is through our own mailing list or an IRC at Fedora dash magazine But so like With the pitch process once you have that done We let you and we have that conversation the next step will be going ahead and moving forward with your draft and Once you have your draft done again it would just be kind of letting us know once you have it complete and then we review it at an editorial meeting and Give you send any extra feedback or if it's ready to go We'll get a featured image for you ready to go and get it on to the schedule But that's just kind of the rough template a rough kind of process for creating and writing for the Fedora magazine And I just think the pitch process is a really great way Sometimes they get skipped over by a lot of people But I think it's a really great way for you to also for both us the editors and for you the writer because it gives you the opportunity to kind of Kind of prepare your thoughts about what you're hoping to go forward and try to write through like even like for us I think a lot of us also do the same thing like when we're going forward and writing an article We'll like kind of map out. What are the big points? We want to cover We'll do like the big headers like what are the big things that we want to write in this article So it's really something that it's not just that something we throw to people at the first point where they're writing their article I think it's something that really is as a writer It definitely helps you to kind of have that full idea of what you want to write about Because I think even all three of us probably have a process similar to that where we're kind of mapping out our thoughts before we just dive in and go into an article For the pitch so once you submit once you've written your draft and you've let us know that you're ready for it Like it's ready to be published. I'm done writing it We'd review it the magazine meeting if it looks good, then we'll go ahead and start getting it prepped and ready We'll get the featured image done and get it on to the schedule If we have feedback for you, we'll reach out to you if you aren't in the meeting or if it's at a bad time We'll just reach out to you via email instead and kind of get that feedback to you Yeah, so three posts is kind of our baseline for the week Monday Monday Wednesday and Friday. Sorry time zones. Yeah Yeah, so months Monday Wednesday and Friday. We typically try to post at about 800 UTC, which is Yeah, I know it is about 4 p.m. Australian time, but Yeah, so and then If there's if we go above that then yay But yeah, so typically at the meeting we'll go through most that are proposed and drafts and Sort of map out our schedule for the week and get those done And then we'll go through the pitches towards the end of the meeting So so we pretty much have our schedule mapped out on a Friday for the next week Yeah, give or take so with well so so actually You know thanks to the way that the page is designed I think we have something like either nine or twelve articles that sit on the actual front page at any one time So if you write something it will usually be on the front page for you know three three weeks maybe more, right? And the only exception the way we do that is when we have something really Really important something critical like the release announcement, right Fedora 26 was released We'll pin that post at the very first position and it'll stay there usually for two to three weeks But that doesn't push everything off. It just simply means that any other articles we publish will be they'll start at position number two But because it's a grid view People will see articles for a number of weeks So if you if you have put work into you know going through you know You've pitched the article you've drafted you had it reviewed and it's gone up It won't fall off like four days later or something like that. It will it will be on the front page for quite a while Something else that we do. I mean this is kind of behind the scenes maybe more I don't know how how much people care about the process, but we use some plug-ins in the magazine that allow us to Optimize for search engines And it really has helped us over the last couple years promote our content to where search engines like Google or or Yahoo or whatever duck-duck-go We use that or you know, they those engines now are Bringing that content further up in searches like for instance, we were talking today about one of our articles About i3 right the i3 window manager if you do a search just a plain old Google search for i3 window manager on the first page of hits You're going to find the fedora magazine article on i3 even though there are Hundreds of articles out there about i3 and how to use it. We're on the front page for i3 hits And I think one of the reasons for that well I think there's a couple reasons for that one of those one of them is it was a fantastic article I think it was a William Merino wrote that Fantastic he wrote a fantastic article. It's got screenshots. It's really good explanations. It's got lots of links It's it's something that you know is hasn't just has great content But one of the other reasons I think is because you know, we also as editors, you know we take a look at things like search engine optimization right SEO and We tune the article so that it gets a good score for SEO There are tools that let us do that and that way it helps promote that article and keep it moving higher in Google page rankings. So that's another way of continuing to drive Traffic to the Fiddleware magazine So we help with that. We don't we don't require authors to do any of that We don't require you to know how to do any of that we take care of that on the on the back end Now we're always happy to teach people about it though. That's fine We're happy to do that as well, but we don't require any authors to deal with that stuff Yeah So well so the question was about critical posts How do we how do we if there's a post that needs to go out with a deadline? Well, of course, we prefer that you let us know, you know, a few weeks ahead of time, right? So that we can actually work it into our schedule We can do that in a number of ways you do it, you know, again notifying us via IRC pound Fedora magazine On the mailing list, which is magazine at lists.fpo You know, you can always feel free to get in get in touch with us on either of those places and You know, we can publish things with deadlines I think one of the important considerations here though is again thinking about the focus for the magazine, right? Which is not on contributors who typically we might set deadlines for right our focus is on more on users in the general public So it's I think that's usually like that's an unusual occurrence for us to have deadline related posts other than maybe, you know the release announcements or Right classrooms, which are our timed events, right? We've been yeah, we've been publishing those Regularly right anything that's that's targeted to users though if it's if it's time sensitive, you know We just simply asked that you you know, let us know ahead of time and we'll work it into our schedule So as we've done for those series So so let me um, I guess let's let's move forward and talk because you know We really would do want to motivate this conversation towards, you know, maybe a discussion of some ideas You know just talking about pitches, you know, that that's really the first step one of our goals, I think in having this session is to invite ideas from the folks who are here about Content that we might want to put together For future for future magazine articles or series And so before we do that, you know, we were talking at lunch today and I thought it might be a good idea for us to give a couple examples of the kind of the the kind of factors that that lead to Pitches being approved or pitches being turned down by the editorial staff because we didn't want that to be a Confusing issue like how do you know if your pitch is going to be approved? Hey, my pitch was approved or my pitch was turned down and this other person's was approved. Why was that? And there's a few reasons that we kind of mapped out earlier today One of them was scope right so what works great for the magazine And I think Ryan said something about this a few just a few minutes ago, which is, you know, you'll focus You know focusing the articles on a topic is really helpful so for example a Pitch on let's say a pitch on Hey, I'm going to explain container technology that is a very very broad topic and it's Highly unlikely that an article that is short enough for people to read in a venue like the magazine Is actually going to be able to cover that topic Right, but if someone were to come and say hey I'm going to write a post that's going to teach you how to deploy an atomic host where you can Put your containers right using ansible right that was a recent That was a recent example of a pitch that we did approve That concerned containers so that it was very well scoped in other words it had a very specific goal and it had a very limited amount of Technical process that it was going to have to cover and so that's short enough for people to actually read and digest So that one got a plus one That's another one So I think some great tips when you're setting out to write your article once you have the pitch done Like there's always questions I always ask myself when I'm going into an article and that's thinking about Who who am I writing this article for who am I trying? Who do I want to see my article? Who am I trying to help and then another question? I'll ask myself will be what is the goal? What am I trying to accomplish? What am I trying to teach? These are all questions that help you Focus your writing in and make sure that you're Writing to your target audience when you know who you're writing for when you know the goals of what you're trying to write About if you're trying to teach something you're trying to show someone how to deploy something or inform someone about something happening When you can answer those questions and think about them when you're writing it help it has a huge impact on The quality of the writing that you're putting out because when you can think about your audience and you can think about those Goals of what you're trying to do it focuses your writing forward in a way that it really I don't know how to support it other than it really does have an impact Like if you can visualize like what your audience knows if you know who you're writing for you kind of know You have an idea of the skills that they have the abilities that they have And so you there are certain steps that you're going to explain fully other steps in the process You're going to assume that your audience knows because they are your audience you've already visualized who they are So you may not have to deconstruct every single point in the process to the extent that you would say like if I was going to You know try and you know show my son How did how to do a process in fedora that would be very very different from the process that I say that I might show Ryan Or or Matt out here in the audience right it's going to look very different So I'd write two very very different kinds of articles and knowing who that person is who's going to be reading and understanding like what Their skills and abilities are helps you determine where you can summarize as opposed to Detail out and I think also too when it comes to it came up earlier about like the length of articles I'd say like at a rough estimate 300 to 600 words is usually kind of right around like the sweet spot for having an article that will keep your readers engaged and Also generally be easier to write. I think there's a little bit of a misconception I think perhaps sometimes where people are writing an article and like oh Fedora magazine needs to be a formal article and need to go in great detail I need to have everything planned out and it has to be a process and not only is that going to be miserable for you to Write, but it's also not going to engage and click well with your readers It's miserable to edit too So when you're setting out to write that if if it is a so going to a specific topic and writing to something that really Has a spike like with the example of like container technology versus deploying on atomic host with Ansible completely different scopes But at the same time if you are writing to something that is really specific and it happens to be long That's actually not always a bad thing So in some cases what we have done there has been an article where it is like it's a really great article But it's really long, but maybe it has two or three different pieces in it So what you can actually do with that is you can break it up into like smaller each Individual smaller pieces of an article a recent example that that was on the magazine a few weeks ago Was like an introduction to kubernetes on fedora talking about like the first one was just introducing it Like it's available on fedora. You can install it. You can use it And then the next article was about using Like a local virtual machine to test and use it on your laptop So that was one idea that was actually like a one really long article that was that had two very specific points but in this case we broke it up into smaller pieces that were easier to read and we had to end up having more content we were able to spread that out over a longer amount of time and It engaged a little bit easier with the readers because it was just less content to eat or digest all at once And it also kind of made it each article also kind of had different Audiences a little bit too in this case for like the kubernetes one the intro one if you had no idea about any of these things That was helpful for you But like if you had a little bit of an idea then you could just look at the local like testing it locally on your laptop And you could kind of get a feel for diving into it that way So so one more I guess one more factor is the the factor of the software that we cover So the magazine is is liberal about the software that we mentioned We try to focus on Using fedora Whether that is to integrate or it or interface with services that are free or not is that's not really our concern We of course we we love free software big free software proponents But we realize that a lot of the services that our users care about and use every day are not free So for example, we will happily publish information about how to use let's say GitHub's hub CLI command to talk to GitHub even though GitHub is not a fully Free as in freedom type service the same with articles that are about say using Amazon Web services AWS not a free as in freedom service But it's something that many many people use and they use fedora to get their fedora is a great is a great system to be able to use For you know managing your your cloud-based applications So that's what we really concentrate on is what do the users care about at the same time However, we do care about software in the platform And our preference is always to talk about the free software that you can get in fedora So for example, if you are doing an article that uses a virtual machine to accomplish some task Our preference is not to recommend using say virtual box for that because you have KVM in fedora And we want to promote that we want to make sure people understand This is something that comes in the operating system and they can make use of it You know right out of the box So I think you know just so describing that are you know That's how we we look at the freedom aspect if so people are coming to us with a pitch for an article That's one of the things that we'll look at we we we will not turn down a pitch Based on whether or not it interfaces with a non-free service But we will look at the the way that the process is working Technically in other words, what is the author describing and is there a way to do what they're talking about with software that comes Straight out of the box in fedora that you can install from the official repositories We also don't I guess you know the other I guess the other note is that we don't we don't usually Promote Software repositories that contain material that is illicit in some parts of the world Right the US is one of many territories in the world where certain You know certain kind of software are protected by intellectual property rights, and we don't want to put The fedora project we don't want to put our sponsor red hat in a in an untenable position for that So we do try to avoid Dealing with software that is in some parts of the world not legal to promote So yeah, but that's about it right if it's but if you're talking about software that is legal to distribute We you know, that's fine. So in other words Well, we're happy to deal with things like Google Chrome, but we tend to stay away from things like say the rpm fusion non-free repository Is there anything else we should mention there was about it. Oh and copers we we Material that deals with Packages that you get from the coper repositories We generally don't have a problem with those We do like to include a caveat that just notes that copers are not an officially produced Source of fedora material and that way people understand that what they're getting is you know caveat emptor as they say We'll zip we'll have to zoom in on that later. I think What else would I guess what would it be helpful to talk about now? I guess just maybe talk about some I maybe encourage some ideas here for Contribution. Oh So we have one more category that isn't in our official workflow where That is kind of dwindled over the the past couple of months called starter pictures where I Think it's on IRC one day. We sat down and brainstormed a bunch of ideas where like these are great Articles that someone knew or even me when I'm I need I need an article And I don't have an idea for one that I can grab it and just go and it's an already approved pitch So it's yeah, basically ready to go. It's an idea that yep. It's good to go so that's what That's what I think we would Thinking about doing a little brainstorm session now to just come up with some some more ideas where we can just sort of Throw some mud at the wall and see what sticks and I think that yeah That's handkerchief. Sorry. I'm saying yeah So From the information you just learned in this workshop that'd be fantastic for the fedora magazine But if it's more about This session and kind of the people who are talking about or talking here and the kind of the what kind of topics we were covered That would be more and you think about who are you writing for? If you're writing for people who are fedora contributors who are interested in flock Your audience would be fedora contributors. So you go to the community blog, but if you're writing for people who? know cool things and Would be ready to write an article your audience would be kind of a broader group of people So it'd be for the fedora magazine, which is why I think like the questions that you can you can answer that question to you for yourself even without asking Exactly all depends. Who is your audience and what's your purpose? What are you trying to do? Are you trying to inform someone about how to write for the fedora magazine or are you trying to inform someone about? What was being covered here? That is where the line sort of we sometimes straddle the line on the fedora magazine because especially for sort of entry-level community Where we actually want more people to come in Yeah, so you can yeah, that's where it's it can get a Slightly blurry, but then there's other other posts where you're like, yeah, that's definitely community blog So I think there's been a few that we've gone through where it's sort of on the line But then it's like you try to frame it as hey Are you not it's to the non contributor becoming a contributor more than a current contributor, so And then we also sort of try to limit the number of those posts because we know that the majority of our audience is Yeah, not really gonna gonna care that much So they care more about tips about fedora. So and then yeah, if we can People writing about or teaching other people That's definitely something that we'd love to have your input on or anything that you think that you've been kind of like on the fence about Or if there's something that you just think that you could talk about This would really be a great time for you to get feedback on those ideas, too if you have any or We can also kind of talk about just general starter pitches like one of the things that we just tried doing it as an experiment a few weeks ago on the magazine I don't know if any of you read open source calm But you might see some of these articles like the top five terminal emulators on Linux or the best one of the ones that we just ran Not too long. It was like four fonts for a far mono space fonts that you can get on fedora So kind of an interesting thing from open source calm that we learned These kind of articles what we've kind of nicknamed them listicle articles. Yeah, actually three ways to trick out your terminal emulator That's a great example these kind of like listicle articles are actually Yeah, they actually have a really great engagement with readers and Even better. They're extremely easy to write So if you just take a look at all these so these are all linking in this case We're actually linking to articles that are already written on the fedora magazine But if you look at the if you can scroll up just a little bit more about how many sentences we have describing each of these different articles There's only just a little bit higher You see like that's just like one Two sentences for each each of these articles. That's kind of summarizing these big points So to kind of turn that back about things that you could write about if there's things that you're using in fedora That's kind of like key for your workflow or things that you find that are really helpful If you can kind of think of like wow like what are I? In this case it was like what I was just thinking like what are three things that I'm doing in my terminal all the time that I Think are super great So I was like oh like I use power line and I use a couple of other things and then I was like well three things You can do to customize your terminal interface. I'm trying to think of other like These are the kind of things that would also be really great to brainstorm too If there's like if you can think of like a number of things that you're using already Like if you're using like firefox extent firefox extensions, maybe yeah Yeah, so it could even be an idea in itself like five firefox extensions that Either if it's like trying to help you do something I think also tying it back to like that purpose question like if you can combine In this case for like these listicle articles if you can kind of combine that with a purpose like in this case It was to make make it easier to work in the command line or to make it look prettier So like for fire in the example of like firefox extensions, maybe it could be three firefox extensions to help you protect your privacy That kind of things like if you can kind of follow that train of thought like it's those kind of things that really actually engage pretty well with readers too But that's not to say like traditional articles like they can this one all these are linking to articles We already wrote so I power line on fedora. That's its own article, too But I guess So if anyone does have Yeah, if it's an idea that you think to yourself this is something I'd like to see like I'd like to read this I don't want to write it, but I'd love to read it even that's great So just to repeat that back to me try understood it The idea was writing like a regular column or series on how to get started contributing to fedora on the magazine With linking to things like easy fix those are ways that like really easy onboarding paths for people to get involved Okay, so and so one way that like one way to approach that might be Sorry, I don't mean to be like taking a over an over roll here. I'm just I happen to be like near the projector So one way to think about that might be like, you know If we had a template for that kind of article where you describe, you know You could again keep it short and focused you could describe What is that project trying to do like what is the goal of that of that particular initiative? What are they having trouble with right? Here's in order to help you need to have the following skills if you do Here's who you contact or here's how you get in contact with that initiative, right? And you know something like that I think could be again keep you know keeping that short within that 300 to 600 word Range, I think that would be pretty easy to do and the scale of you know one of those every month or so I think is that's probably within the you know within the scope of of of the magazine, right? Right and maintains enough of the focus Yeah, and then I would probably if I was to do that If you're focusing on one project, I'd probably do a companion article on the community blog that actually does the detail of what And then Yeah, I think then one of the main ideas with what why the split happened was because Yeah, absolutely absolutely Right, and we can yeah, and we can work with you know We can work with you know any teams are doing like if you're doing this through the commops team for example, you know We can work with you guys on on Fleshing out that template right so that we know it will score well In search engines and get readership, right because one of the You know one of the pitfalls for having a template is that if the template is too simple it and it starts to appear like say a Course description right where you have a heading and a colon and then a very short description or something like that those Types of articles because they they don't look like prose anymore. They don't look like a Long-written form they start to resemble Computer-generated output forms Search engines push that away right so what we don't want to do is have the template be so simple that you're simply filling in forms like And like one line per entry because that results in an article that no one worried and search engines will push down Right, so but again, you know, I think the our team what our team can do is kind of help Give the article the right it's the right type of expansion so the template looks good I think you know again the classroom I think the classroom articles are a good example of this with you know Maybe the exception of the title because I think we all kind of realized as we were doing this I'm maybe I'm just I think maybe you were the person who pointed this out that the titles in the classroom Simply call it again, you know classroom session number one two or three like Didn't really catch your eye very well, right? So that was something that we kind of you know Realized as we baked it. Hey, we need to maybe improve our recipe here a little bit So yeah, so we can kind of take what we've learned and help improve that that template So so we should so let's are there other ideas for for articles We've got a couple more people in here, but I'm not sure whether they're they're into brainstorming with us But we'd love to yeah, we love technical stuff Yeah, your audience might be like hardcore sys admins who are using fedora or downstream Distribution based on fedora like sent to SRL Or might you know might be like that, you know developer who's writing, you know, no JS stuff Like here are some cool plugins for no JS editing that you can use on your fedora station That was a great one Sorry Hocular how do you spell that? Oh, sorry That's probably not it. Don't this is a lesson to Paul. Don't type in blind searches unless you know what's gonna come up That could have been worse. I could have been much worse Beautiful. Yeah, I love it Yeah, so so opposed that so one thing that might be that we might want to think about so let's let's let's like Live debug this as a pitch Hocular seems like it's pretty flexible and pretty wide-ranging. So You might want to think about how are you gonna fit that? Hockey all of Hocular into 300 to 600 words Maybe Yeah, maybe this is how do you get it and install it? Is it packaged for fedora already? Can you install it that way? Well, maybe that makes that part short if you can't you have to you know Grab it from upstream and compile it then the actual grabbing compiling and installing of it Is in itself an article? You know not even counting how you actually use it The other thing to think about is how good are the docs for Hocular itself on how to use it? Do we want to replicate those in Fedora? Probably not But there might be a specific use case that you want to illuminate out of the docs like here is a here's a specific way to apply Hocular right Go back and read the first article on how to install it in Fedora and then once you've done that Here's how you can use it to do the following, you know really cool Solution so I like it. I would definitely like like right away. I would think like How about how about installing installing Hocular just bringing it up? So it works in a machine like even that alone would be a great starter pitch 456 right now How to keep your your monitor screen away that'd be like a specific one We do okay, so in that case but like so for Billy on that one article I'm changing it right now. So we have specific articles on nome extensions and easy one I can think of right now for nome extensions to make your life easier That'd be like so I'm trying to Know what if you want to do you want something to make you be more efficient or if you just want to customize the look and feel or I Guess the kind of thing I think would be Yeah, so like maybe in this case like see like so like four ways to make no more Hey, I'm putting that in here right now N extensions for developers Absolutely That'd be a really great like a long shelf life article too. Um, so this is another kind of thing that I think is important There's articles like so in this case like what our introduction to nome extensions in awesome extensions for development for development Those are ones that generally have like a long greater shelf life. Actually I'm looking at a lot of They're generally so long as the project remains actually like Some of these that can have a longer shelf life the lxqt spin that's an article that'd be more like the short term kind of Has a shorter shelf life on it. So how you write content for something like the lxqt spin That you could obviously you could make references to things that are happening now But we're at 26 just released not too long ago and now there's a new lxqt spin like you can use language and you can make references to things that are more Dated like have a have a deadline, but for something like what are nome extensions? Keeping that generic like without mentioning like fedora 25 Uh, it is the way you write articles that would have like that longer shelf life Nome extensions will be around for a long time. So the way you would write that is you want to try to keep it generic without necessarily dating the article So I think if like if someone comes around in a year this article still makes sense two years I guess for nome extension two years this article still probably makes sense Like for an introduction that would probably be a pretty helpful one Just because those articles also end up getting Go to google nome extensions. What are introduction to nome extensions? Like that's the kind of articles that will They'll pop up there And that also was better like those are really great articles to the really great articles because they laugh for so long Like the lxqt article example That'll be really really cool for like two weeks and then and so it's okay. We have an lxqt spin Sweet it loses that that valuable like really cool factor right when it comes out Infection nome extensions that's cool for Long as it's correct And that's why like Yes, just to make sure that gets in the the recording like that. I think Just tell me if I got this wrong but I think the the the point that she was making was that You know having going through a list like this where you have a a use case like you want to do something Like maybe you're doing development or you want to Have your You know some some feature in in nome for example, right? And so you can list several different ways to do that, right? That's That's absolute like that's a that's a great use for an article Um, I think what we don't on the other hand like here's here's the anti case right the or the anti pattern Which is we don't want to have like just a Here's an opinion article and here are the eight extensions that I use Right that all do different things for different reasons, right? Because those are always going to be a personal choice And I feel like those articles have very little value to the reader because the reader Is going to be in a different situation than you like they may have different preferences right So there that's so so there is that's a That actually it's the the reason for the interviews. I think um, sorry So we're repeating again. So the the comment was that um that actually fits in well with like interviews And you will in fact see those in the how do you fedora? Interviews that we do where people do actually talk about like here's what I use versus other people and that that can also Give people ideas about what they might want to try right as opposed to that which actually has a personal face Um, in other words, you have a person who is actually standing behind like here's what I use That's a different stance than the magazine like when that when a magazine article is published And this is a subtle point and maybe it's interesting to us as editors But maybe everybody doesn't know this is that the magazine itself um Has has an identity in other words the magazine speaks with a voice But the magazine does not tell people what they should use if I write an article It's okay for me to write an article that says here are four ways to do the following thing in fedora But for me to in other words if I paul freel's write an article I'm not going to describe It would not be a suitable article for me to write about You know a factual article about what I paul freel's use because The magazine is not intended as an editorial um As an editorial output So yeah, it's not a soapbox right that the magazine doesn't speak with my voice the magazine is a is a I guess like an independent sort of objective view of the kind of things that fedora wants to let people know and Dictating to people what extensions are good and which aren't is really not our are the way we go Right, but we will tell them here's like three extensions. You can use to do this and you might like them But we don't tell them use these extensions, right? Because the magazine doesn't speak with that voice Does that make sense at all? Yeah Yeah Right right, so we'll you know, we will talk sometimes about yeah, and I think when I tried to touch on this before So that was that was kind of a long comment. I'm gonna see if I can encapsulate some of that which is that um, you know, there are There are times that we will um Print articles that are about software that maybe fedora doesn't itself You know become like the first proponent of but we cover because it's available for fedora And the fact that it's available for fedora is a big deal and maybe a good example of this is Netflix on chrome right that's that's from a few years back But you know, we we know for a fact that out of all fedora users worldwide something like 50 percent of them install google chrome Right, it's one of the first things they do is maybe they are used to using it on other platforms Whatever instead of using firefox. They install google chrome. That's a personal choice and we don't get in the way of that When when netflix made chrome. Yeah, you can see like i'm one of them You know, and so i it's i use both actually i juggle them like i'll switch back and forth every few months just for fun Because i'm an idiot like that, but um So we you know, we know that when netflix became available for chrome out of the box We know that a lot of people who are in high band with Countries they love the fact that they could now watch netflix on their fedora laptop without bringing some other device with them So that was a really big deal and we wanted to make sure people knew Hey, if you really care about watching netflix on your laptop Don't let that stop you from installing fedora now because now you're going to be able to do it out of the box because You know chrome is going to support it out of the box on linux Right, right It's more about the way Yes, so ryan's ryan's making the point Yeah, yes right Yes, so to sum up so ryan was making the point that You know the reason some an article like that is okay with the magazine's voice is that we're not dictating to people that either Either that they should have to use chrome or that they should have you know They should everybody should go out and watch netflix You know, we're not we're simply not judging We're we're noting that you know, we know from you know, just from the metrics that are out there We know that people that there are people who use this stuff and like it And we don't want that to stop them from using fedora, right? In other words, I won't I can't use fedora because This is something that I like to do with my laptop and I haven't been able to do it Well, the fact that they now can is an inducement for them to stop avoiding fedora. So that's great at the same time though You know the the point for us is to preserve choice, right? We're not telling people that they ought to use this rather than that Yeah, charles profit if he's out there is he's a god among men He's he does these interviews for us like all the time and and it's a great great source of It puts a human face on fedora that I really love because it's always a picture of a person You know, it's not abstract. It's somebody out there who's doing something really interesting And it's available Find the best way of getting that information So if yeah, if we could find a way to sort of get get that done ahead of time so then we know when when it actually hits the repo We can just go bang, okay We've got a new major release of this piece of software or a new something that's important about so getting those easy ones rolling And I think in the past we sort of just slaughtered them in between More informative posts, but this is like a news post. So we like doing those two other than the releases. We don't do them much Or Oh mycroft You know, I I want to say that somebody pitched that a while ago and just never showed up to write it But that's it's not in here now mycroft. Um, yeah, it's like that It's the it's an AI engine for like voice recognition and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, is this something that you're interested to write cool I'm gonna put it in right now Either or yeah is so the question was if uh, I'm putting in all these. Oh great. There's no internet connection suddenly. That's awesome um So the question was uh, so i'm putting all these pitches in In in hopefully a helpful way and how would somebody then claim one of these Because should they get in touch with us through the irc through irc or through mailing lists? The answer is yes, any of those any of those will work and what we'll do is um, Those of us who have the admin or editorial access we can reassign Posts and so we'll just flip it over to your fedora account And that basically gives you the all the access that you need to continue drafting etc etc No, my friend Just to put that onto the the recording too So if you want to write an article that we have in the starter pitches All you have to do if you see one that you like when you log it in the magazine Just let us know on the mailing list or an irc. We'd love to see you when you say hello We will give you an answer So just if you do see an article that you want to write just log into the magazine Check out what's there and if you want to write just let us know and we can reassign the article to your fedora account So then you'll have the full rights to edit the article To make changes and you can do all that without without any limitations But you just gotta just let us know if you see an article you want don't be afraid to be like Hey, I want to take a stab at this and give it a go The internet's very slow in here I blame that guy in the back Not just You're not downloading an ISO right now or something There you go. Oh, I'm on I'm on the other one right now. I switched just a minute ago. Yeah, so cool Oh, Mike on the mic So last year we had 2.4 million pages And so far this year we're about We're about 1.95 So far our goal was I'm still optimistic But the last release was it was our biggest month ever. I think we had 335,000 monthly patrons, so and most of them are And pretty good engagement Yeah, so I don't know if this is coming through on the on the screen or not But you know if you can look just imagine like the trend line here So it's basically up into the right Um The peaks kind of throw the scale off a bit right because those peaks that you see are essential Those are fedora gas right there So that's people hitting the release announcement which gets linked all over the world and from you know on other different sites But if you look at like the average You know back here in 2014 2015. We were averaging, you know 100 and some thousand a month Hits and now we're you know kind of more up in the 200 and some thousand So, yeah Was I'm sorry. What was the question? Yeah, it'll be like 12 to 15 a month Basically and we'd love that to be more and the issue for us has been simply finding authors who are willing to You know coming with an idea and then you know commit to writing it and finish their article Right. I mean it's basically it's it's no different than any other problem in open source, right? Which is people who are willing not only to come with an idea But the commitment to do it the nice thing about the magazine is You don't need a lot of special skills To finish your commitment. Whereas you know fixing a bug can often go way beyond a new user's Ability to deal with right even what we might call an easy fix bug Can often get really really complicated But the great thing about an article is that if you can write text you can write an article It doesn't really scale beyond a user's skills or abilities So, you know, I think there's there's probably other I don't know Maybe there are other there may be other like social barriers or things that are you know, maybe we have yet time cover But I think the the key for us is expanding our pipeline Of users right expand. I'm sorry expanding our pipeline of contributors to the magazine, right if we had Let's say for example, we had Um 10 people Who were willing to write one article a month, right? That's again only 300 to 600 words a month Most of us write single emails that are longer than that. Well, a lot of us do I know I do Much to the chagrin of the people who have to read them But uh, you know, that's that's not a whole lot of writing only you know to do only one a month But if those 10 people were writing once a month Our output on the magazine would probably go up by 50 to 100 percent, right and out of those articles Every article is almost guaranteed to have tens of thousands of people who look at it Right or tens of thousands of page views, right? This this graph would take off like in a crazy way if that happened So yeah, our you know, maybe our one of our unstated goals is to find like those 10 people essentially And then kind of school them in how to how to come in with greater and greater ideas Yes, so the question was what is the motivation to write? Well, so, you know, obviously we like to find people who like to share knowledge and what I've I guess what I found in like docs Docs people or other writers are that they are at heart their teachers So there's a lot of self-fulfillment from that but in addition to that. Yes, we do have badges as well So if you have if you've done an article that gets a certain number of hits Um, I can't remember what the levels are off the top of my head One five and 25k page views. Okay, so and and the the first so the three levels are one k 25 k and 50 k Oh, sorry, did I just get there one five and 25 k, right? So each of those is a badge level that you can get and I can tell you right now The first definitely the first one usually the first two Are it's almost a guarantee that you're going to get two badges out of writing an article Yeah, yeah, sorry Yeah, if it's your first article you might get three So yeah, there are badges in fact, we probably ought to set up some other ones now that the some of these articles have been around Long enough they've gathered more page views. We probably ought to think about setting up like a 50 and 100k Yeah, yeah, so that's a great place to kind of make sure that you have a level like Yeah So, oh, sorry for that. So for the mic we were just having we were just saying that there's There's definitely a distribution of page view number of page views for articles and Justin has done some research on the articles over the last eight months and that might basically lead us to As add some extra badge levels as well, right where we could have have some other inducements Oh, you know, it might worth it might be worth noting here some of our referrals as well Right, you can tell that like search engines for example number one referral is google search by a factor of A gazillion, but we also get hits from duck duck go being apparently someone uses that I guess Yandex, I don't even know that was a thing I I have no idea why at&t has their own search engine referral, but thank you guys. Thank you at&t for that one hit Also, we get a lot of hits from start doffador project or which is why start doffador project or does not die because It refers quite a lot of traffic to the magazine Yeah Yeah, start doffador project.org is the homepage for firefox. Yeah Oh, that's a neat idea. So Justin's idea is a badge for referring a new writer So in other words, you refer a new writer. They write an article Right complete an article like complete an article through the process So it's a manual, but it's a manual badge, but it could be done that that's we can scale to that And if you know someone Nice Yeah, we're getting close to seven million all-time views. That's not bad considering like, you know Because the the last how long like three years maybe has been our our big our biggest our bigger push for it Yeah Yeah, it's looking good. I always like to see that up into the right is always good Yeah, yeah, we expect the fedora 27 release is gonna Is going to pop way up above the above the standard month Yeah, so I don't know if you guys can read that so we're rising. So that's 261,000 page views in august We've got a what a couple days what one day two days left in august So august is out of non-release months August is our best month ever Right and that's been a great sign right as if we can go through month by month More often than not in the past year or year and a half that we've been looking at Each month has become like oh, this is our best non-release month ever Oh again, this month is our best non-release month ever, right? That's a good sign because it shows the the page views are going up So yeah, uh that the question was is chromium and apple. I have no idea Probably yeah, I that'd be a good question for spot. Maybe if you find out let us know Is chromium and apple Oh, so well actually so I think the point was is that if because Uh spot packages chromium Set the home page for chromium to the same star dot fedora project or We're all of those apple users out there who might be using the packaged chromium Suddenly you're gonna Um That was your pitch, right did I get that right justin I think they call it add-ons. Oh add-ons. Okay But it's a small detail. Yeah, that would actually be a super one. Oh is it extension? All right, so we're getting on the time that um that um that 530 WSL is coming up, so I need to If I'm gonna cover that then I need to Pop this out Anybody have some last pitches if I can throw up before we wrap up? Kernel benchmarking Wait, so is this a is this a proposal To do kernel benchmarking work or is this a is this something that would be Uh a process that like some any kernel developer any kernel interested person might do because it's It has value to them I'm sorry like how fast is my hardware? Okay, there you go done