 I'd like to call the order the meeting of the city planning Commission. Please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance Next item is the public input guidance guidelines Alderman Bellinger Thank You mayor. I would move to open the floor for public comments with the following guidelines Number one, please limit the comments or suggestions to three minutes or less Because we do have a full agenda Common success in suggestions will pertain to the agenda item under discussion Personal criticism of other individuals is out of order The names of those attending who checked on the attendance clipboard that they wanted to wanted to provide public input at this meeting Will be called first after that Group after that group the chair will ask anyone else who would like to provide input if you wish to speak Please raise your hand to be recognized after being recognized. Please come to the podium state your name address for the record The plan Commission will listen to the citizens input, but we will not respond or debate Thank you for that motion is there a second second. Thank you for that support any discussion Seeing none all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes Next item is item 2.1, which is an approval of the planning Commission meetings minutes from February 10th Move to approve second moved and seconded to approve. Is there any discussion? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye opposed motion passes 2.2 is a conditional use and variance application by Wells Fargo to install a new monument sign at 1251 Wilson Avenue Turn it over to city planner Steve so close. All right, Roger Osterman is here from RLO who's representing Wells Fargo We're taking a look at the bank at 1251 Wilson Avenue What Wells Wells Fargo is updating their logos nationwide so they're coming in to update their signage The bank is proposing to remove the existing pylon sign and replace it with a new monument sign So thank you Roger. We appreciate that The existing pylon sign is 23 feet high in 140 square feet The new monument side is proposed to be 48 square feet and eight feet high It's double-sided illuminated monument sign advertising Wells Fargo in addition to this sign There's several wall signs and directional signs that they'll be Changing out as well at the site Alpkin is requesting one variance and that's to install a monument sign with a 5.8 foot setback typically the setback to the is 12 feet to the property line Staff in order to properly advertise the Alpkin is proposing to locate the monument sign in the front yard along Wilson Avenue So traffic heading east and west and Wilson can easily identify Wells Fargo So staff is recommending approval of the proposed sign and variance subjects of following condition that they obtain the necessary sign permits The lighting meets our requirements. The sign shall meet the minimum 5.8 foot setback the sign must be located on the options property and the maximum height is 8 feet high Roger would you like to add anything to that presentation Highline sign, which fits with the other side And it's basically like he said it's an image upgrade for Wells Fargo that Thank you very much. Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak on this issue. Just hold your hand up Seeing there. There is no one we'd return the discussion to the commissioners commissioners. Do you have any questions? I'd entertain a motion go ahead Alderman Bellinger. I would make a motion to approve with the staff recommendations as cited by Steve Thank you for that motion in support one last call for any discussion Seeing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Chair votes aye motion passes Item 2.3 will be held till a future meeting Okay 2.4 is a conditional use permanent variance application by Sheboygan school district to install a new monument sign with an electronic message Center at Jefferson school located at 1538 north 15th Street, Steve. All right Roger Osterman is here from RLO and representing the school district Taking a look at a sign at Jefferson school. It's a manual reader board The school is proposing to replace the existing manual with a new electronic message center signs approximately 40 square feet 7 feet tall The new sign would replace the old sign and allow for the ability to pulse a number of announcements for upcoming events activities There are a couple of variances in this matter. There's requesting a 40 square foot monument sign And the applicant is requesting to install the monument sign with a six foot six point three foot setback from the property line Basically, what they're doing is it's an existing manual reader board. They want to take the manual reader bar off use the existing base And install the electronic message center So staff was recommended approval of that proposed sign permit in various subjects of the following conditions that to obtain the necessary sign permits Lighting meets our zoning ordinance requirements minimum meets the minimum setback of six point three feet from the Sidewalk Afghan shell meet all vision triangle requirements and the maximum height of the sign is 8 feet tall So again, I can answer any questions in the Hopkins. Thank you Steve Roger. Would you like to add anything on this one? pretty much Using the existing sign structure like Steve said and Installing electronic message center which gives them an opportunity to change their messages more often rather than having a static message Which most of the schools that go on to with the amount of information Thank you, is there anyone in the gallery you'd like to speak on this item, please raise your hand Commissioners any questions Marilyn? Thank you mayor Roger you certainly come through every time with all the needs that that are requested of you and it keeps you busy on your Shabuigan business. Thanks Thank you Jerry Steve is there a preference on the sign color the color of the letters I noticed we have multiple colors on them There was nothing from staff requiring any specifics on the colors. I don't know Yeah, what's what's happening now is Product cost wise the multicolors are now coming down in cost rather than just the static red So a lot of people taking advantage of that Yes, the biggest concern we would have just is at that kitty corner that sign is kind of facing some residences So it's just important from a flashing and lighting perspective to make sure that's not impacting the neighbors Yeah, and like always we only sell products are self dimming that's what makes you're not overpowering and things like that and can Calibrate it lower if there is any concern Okay, any other discussion and otherwise and entertain a motion on this item I'll make a motion to approves with staff recommendations Second, thank you for that motion and support one last call for any discussion Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye Opposed motion passes Thank you Next we'll go to item 2.5 a conditional use permit time extension request for the Lakeshore community health care to operate from 1714 Cambridge Avenue All right Kristen Blanchard is here from Sheboygan area community clinics and Lakeshore Community Health Clinic and Curt Davis from Advocates architects Plan Commission in February of 14th had approved a conditional use permit and variance application by Lakeshore Community Health Clinic to use the former American orthodontics facility at 1714 Cambridge Avenue for a health clinic purposes The applicants are here today because basically a conditional use permit is Permitted for one year until it becomes null and void and basically an applicant needs to Pull a building permit by that time The applicants are haven't had the opportunity to purchase the property yet and haven't had the opportunity to Pull that building permit, but there is a provision that allows them the ability to come to the plan commission and ask for an extension To that conditional use permit. So that's what the Lakeshore health LCHC is here for today Basically, they're stating in late October 14. There was a purchase and offer agreement that expired and Right now they're in the process of closing on financing. Hopefully sooner than later It's sound like it might be approximately a 90-day time frame Prior to Putting the staff recommendations together There was a deadline date of May 1st 2015 with regards to having conversations with the applicants with regards to financing they've informed us that their financing may take approximately 90 days and a couple of the conditions are is that they would take ownership and pull a building permit so staff is going to change the May 1st 2015 deadline to a June 26 2015 deadline and that was going to be with the conditions that one they provide the documentation that they're the actual owners of the property and That's Sheboygan area community clinics Obtains a building permit by that June 26th date So staff was recommending approval with those conditions of extending their permit and the applicants are here I can answer any questions on that. Thank you Steve if you'd like to add anything to that Just make sure you grab the mic in front of you and speak into that little thing with a little ball on it. There you go Flour is yours wonderful. Thank you very much and it's I just want to say thank you to Steve for working with us on this extension and We do have an approved offer and hopefully we'll be moving forward sooner than later. So thank you Were there any questions by the commissioners? Is there anyone in the gallery who'd like to speak on this item? See none Commissioners and entertain a motion make a motion to approve with staff recommendations I'll second it. Thank you for that motion and support One last call for any discussion See none. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. I opposed Motion passes. Thank you very much For next applicants could make their way to the front here Item 2.6 is general ordinance 46 of 1415 a report of officer 243 of 1415 Amending the zoning change to the used district classification and the property located at 3306 Seaman Avenue From SR 5 suburban residential to class SO suburban office classification. I'll turn it over to Steve. All right All right tonight the plant commissions reviewing our rezoning request from the Shabuigan area school district basically our health care has been authorized to make a Rezone application on the field of dreams property located at 3306 Seaman Avenue from suburban residential to suburban offense The applicant indicates that the rezone is proposed because it's our health clinics intent to purchase the field of dreams property from the Shabuigan area school district in order to construct a new medical and office facilities from this property Aurora health care Shabuigan Memorial Hospital and clinic facilities have been operating at capacity for a number of years Aurora health care has been searching for a site within the city of Shabuigan to construct an outpatient Surgery center and medical office building that would better address patient demand and free up capacity at their existing facilities Based on the space and amenity amenity needs the Shabuigan area school district field of dreams property presents their only viable option The proposed rezoning of this parcel to the suburban office will allow Aurora health care the opportunity to provide better access to health services For the people of the city of Shabuigan and the residents in the surrounding communities of Shabuigan County Aurora believes that the proposed outpatient surgery center and medical office facilities are consistent with the health care related development in this area The overall plan project plan maintains a significant amount of publicly accessible green space By upgrading the replacement athlete fields on the lands directly to the east of the site And on the Buttson property on the south side of the city The intent is to relocate several fields from the field of dreams to the school property on the east side of Taylor The relocated facilities will include two new upgraded baseball fields two new upgraded soccer fields And will maintain a significant amount of accessible green space for the neighborhood The boots and property will be developed as a 54 acre youth sports complex Roosevelt Park will receive some additional upgrades to the baseball field and Optimus Park will now be home to the relocated community gardens Aurora health care is proposing an investment of eighty six point four million dollars in the city of Shabuigan Including contributing five million toward the development of new recreational facilities Aurora states the new facilities will likely generate approximately two hundred thousand dollars on annual taxes The proposed outpatient surgery center and medical office facilities will add highly skilled jobs to the community The new Aurora health facilities new athletic facilities and the improvements to the park facilities all have proposed site improvements that will be attractive additions to the area that will provide benefits for the neighborhood in the city of Shabuigan for years to come Couple of points to point out to the plan commission is important for the plan commission to understand that proposing the property That to understand if the property zoning designation has changed from SR far SR five suburban residential five to suburban office an applicant could submit an application to use the property for any use That's permitted or conditionally permitted in the SO zone such as an outpatient surgery center and medical office facility If the common council approves the rezone then the applicant needs to be aware that the conditional use will need to be Submitted to and reviewed by the city of Shabuigan plan commission prior to constructing and operating any outpatient surgery center and medical office from the site There's been a couple of questions that have been posed by the public and a number of questions I'm sure plan commission members and maybe alderman have received a couple of things to understand is that the property is owned as Suburban residential five is a single-family zone However in that single-family zone just like all of our residential zones there is the ability for someone to apply for a conditional use permit to operate a School a church a hospital So as the property is owned right now There could be an application a conditional use permit submitted for those types of uses Because Aurora is doing an outpatient medical surgery center and Offices that they those uses are not allowed in the SR five zone And that's why we are here today is to allow an applicant to propose Rezoning those properties for those purposes another question. That's been out in the poll or out that I've received is how is there an ability for an someone to Propose rezoning or submitting an application when they do not own the property This happens often with a purchase and sales agreement Oftentimes the buyer of the property puts in a contingency that indicates that we only want by the property Provided we have the ability to do with it what we want So in this particular case what the city allows for is an applicant to submit an application Provided they have the authorization from the property owner to submit that application And the shabuigan area school district has provided that letter allowing this application to be submitted so Just a couple I don't know if there's any other specific questions, but that's the recommend or just the staff report at this time Thank you very much Steve next we'll go on and ask the applicant if they'd like to make a Presentation David Sure. Yeah, thank you You know, I think maybe just so you have a sense of what our plans entail and the services that we're providing In the building and what our plans are for the existing facility the goal here with the outpatient surgery center and medical office building is to Really deal with our constrained facilities both at the hospital and the clinic we Our plan is to move 70% of our outpatient services In the GI and the surgery area to this new location As well as moving 18 physicians from the shabuigan clinic to this location And then our intent with that is to be able to create breathing room Both at our hospital facility and our clinic facility to be able to expand to continue to meet the community needs After this Services our hospital base so they the surgery center will be hospital Based in its services as an extension of the hospital and the medical group component with the medical office building Will be part of the the clinic and so that's the text Indication that you described. I think what I'll do is I'll pass it on to to Jim Kleinfeld Jim is our developer with bolt construction and Talked through the project Okay, I'll work off of the site plan that's up on the screen Effectively what we have here is two buildings that are connected On the left you have the outpatient facility Which is a one-story structure? It's a 18 feet in height Although there is much of it has a screened penthouse bringing the total height to 32 feet The medical office building which is on the right is a two-story structure, and it's 35 feet in height If you look at the site plan, you'll see we do have three parking lots They total 589 parking spaces 180 of these spaces are dedicated to Physicians and staff So that is the parking lot that is a long glee In response to some of the concerns that we've heard voiced by by neighbors We have peeled that parking back a bit away from glee and we've actually taken two of the bays away And swung them around over onto Taylor So the the remaining two parking lots are for patients and visitors Those are 409 spaces combined And as you can see one is closer to Taylor and then the other one is closer to the center of the site At this point we are showing three access points to the site the main access point will be off of Taylor Drive And it will line up with the relocated field of dreams point We also have off of glee we have an entrance for staff physicians And also services and deliveries And then off of semen We also have an entrance Intended to be for patients We're at this point. We're showing this entrance although We do not yet have the final results of our traffic study if the traffic study does not require that entrance We could eliminate it The site plan also shows you Walking paths that we intend to create throughout the site to try to maintain a lot of the character of the current location And it gives you kind of a representative feel for what the landscaping of the site will look like We have not yet developed detailed landscaping plans, but this is intended to give you a feel for the the intent You can see over on the right-hand side or the Field of Dreams the two baseball fields and the two soccer fields It's actually not part of the zoning map amendment process, but we're showing it here nonetheless If we could flip to the next slide the the fact sheet Maybe a little bit difficult to read, but this is a summary of the facility Simply addresses the the two different buildings The the outpatient facility, which is 53,000 square feet and the medical office building, which is 77,000 square feet it also addresses the use of the facility which is Outpatient services as Dave mentioned We point out the hours of operation The outpatient surgery and the colon center are open from 6 a.m. To 5 p.m. for staff and patients The orthopedic center and medical office building open from 8 a.m. To 5 p.m Rehab is open from 6 30 to 8 p.m. And at this point we do not anticipate any weekend hours The fact sheet also addresses the parking which I described previously the access points In a moment Randy Beckwith from HGA will describe the lighting plan the We've got some bullet points on here with regard to traffic We were kind of hesitant to talk a lot about traffic since our traffic study has not yet been completed But we know there have been a you know a fair amount of questions from the public so we will share that At this point the early indications of the traffic study show that morning rush hour traffic will increase between 11 and 13 percent Afternoon rush hour traffic will increase Approximately between 17 and 20 percent Non rush hours will show much less of an increase In addition with regard to emergency vehicles No emergency patients will be brought to the facility And we expect the need to transport patients from the facility emergently Of only three to four times per year And that summarizes the fact sheet I'll Ask Randy Beckwith from HGA To speak for a moment Randy will talk a little bit about the exterior design My name is Randy Beckwith with HGA architects and engineers First we're going to showing an image here. We are in early stages of design but this this image shows Aurora's current standards for material and form brick stone and metal panel that we've Recently used on another project, which you'll see here later as well that this is a view from Taylor so that you can Understand the the building being set back the opportunity to provide landscape some some ponds and then this is a this is a very diagrammatic somewhat technical drawing era Image here. We're we're showing existing lighting conditions along the bordering streets type of light fixtures that occur We're showing a proposed fixture on the bottom right, which represents a standard type of light fixture that Aurora uses And then this very diagrammatic plan on the bottom left Indicates as you can tell the parking lots that we saw earlier The light levels that will occur And the the main point here is that the light levels within This development will be less than the light levels that occur on the street And then the the other project that I referred to a Few a few moments ago was the is this project That we're working on in in Burlington, Wisconsin with Aurora. You can see Similar materials that we had shown in the previous image Is there anything else in your presentation right now? Okay, thank you very much We had a motion earlier to it for public comments So just remind you that we're keeping the comments to three minutes each At this time chat will call up the people that have signed up If we can ask that the first if we can ask the first person to come to the podium and the Runners up if you will the next in line to sit on the two seats Sorry, you two are gonna have to move the two seats that are next to it to keep this on track and our first Person signed up is Jane Martin There's a seat over here and the next person would be Scott Lewandowski Amen your home address, please. My name is Jane Martin and my home address is 2326 West Shelley Court And you will have three minutes You will have three minutes no problem So I'm here to support the Aurora proposal for the planned Aurora outpatient Center and office building I'm speaking both as an employee of Aurora as well as a neighbor of the field of dreams As a neighbor I've lived in my home for 38 years I've worked for Aurora for greater than 40 years and I've seen Many changes in both places when Mike and I built our home Taylor Drive was the gravel road It's now a very busy street the field of dreams was a cornfield or farmers field When I began working for Aurora things have changed since then as well We're now into the NICU business We're into palliative care so many things are changing and I just see this whole proposal as Progress a very positive move forward and my main message to the people here is that there are neighbors in the area? That are very much in favor of this proposal Some are not quite as outspoken as some of the people who are against it and we just wanted to make sure that you Realize that there were people there who are very much in favor of it We also want to point out that Aurora has taken many steps to try to look at things that will help the Area the neighbors and friends of the field of dreams be happier with the proposal. Thank you. Thank you, Jane Scott Lewandowski and the next one up is Mike Hi, it and can I have your name and address please? 22 or 1 Yuri Avenue, and you'll have three minutes. Okay The Sheboygan area school district and Aurora have a plan to destroy to fuel the dreams Both say that it will be a win-win for the taxpayers Here is what some of the win-win for the taxpayers will be My concern is for the taxpayers of Sheboygan Aurora according to the Sheboygan press of February 11th will donate 2.3 million at a 3.1 million cost just to move the existing field According to Don Alderman Don Hammond the city would have to come up with $800,000 above what Aurora gives But how much will it really cost to taxpayer the Sheboygan to tear down the Boston store and get rid of lead and asbestos? Alderman Hammond's estimate was about a hundred fifty thousand dollars under the actual cost This is just to move the existing field not everything else At Thursday's meeting at Cooper School It was said that stopping goal lights would need to be put up at either Taylor Drive and Salmon or Taylor Drive and Ghillie Or maybe both Also, it said maybe a roundabout would be needed neither to Sheboygan area school district or Aurora would be paying So again, that would be city taxpayers paying on the west side of the current field of dreams Aurora has an access road planned The road in that area would need to be widened again probably with the cost paid by the city taxpayers On the south end of the east field where they want to move the field of dreams There is contaminated soil from the city dumping snow there for years Neither Aurora or the Sheboygan school district has said anything about paying to clean up the soil So again, it looks like it would be city taxpayers paying On the south side to get to the Butzen site. There is no sidewalk So the city would have to build about a half mile long sidewalk from Washington Avenue to the property Again, probably the city taxpayers would be paying for the cost of the sidewalk Finally for the last year available in 2008 Memorial Hospital at 26 29 North 7th Street paid 851 dollars and 26 cents in property taxes So a city packed taxpayers will be paying about two million dollars total To give Aurora a multi-billion dollar business what they want while getting very little tax money in return my final question for the people of Sheboygan would Be would you prefer to spend two million dollars of your tax dollars on a new building for a multi-billion dollar company? Or to fix our city streets Thank you Next up we have Mike height and the next person is Adam Brill Mike, can I have your name and home address? Please? Mike height he IDT home address and six five eight three metal brook Lane Sheboygan, Wisconsin. Thank you, and you'll have three minutes, sir. Thank you I just would like to talk to the city council about keeping momentum. That's in Sheboygan County right now 2014 Sheboygan County finished with an unemployment rate of 3.9 percent It's the best in the state of Wisconsin There are 1200 open vacancies in the county right now This is an opportunity for us to invest in the infrastructure of our county of our city I have been the director of our rehab services at Aurora for the last six years. I've brought over 50 people into the community That are high highly skilled People these are people with masters and doctorate level degrees And they are looking to live the rest of their lives in Sheboygan County Right now we lack resources for our youth Investing in athletic facilities are significant draws. They'll help retain the talent pool in this community I think this is an outstanding opportunity not just as an Aurora employee, but as a citizen of the Sheboygan County. Thank you Thank you Next up we have Adam Brill and then Pam Ott Adam can you give me your Can you give me your name and home address, please Adam Brill 819 Indiana Avenue, Wisconsin, okay? And you will have three minutes. Thank you. I'd like to thank you all for this opportunity to be able to talk Open and transparent. I am an employee of Aurora I oversee and supervise our sports medicine department as well as our patient rehabilitation center at Memorial Hospital I've had the pleasure of as Mike had mentioned working under him be able to advance our rehab services The amount of growth that we've seen in our department over the five years that I've been here has been Exponential and bringing in again high-level talent as well as treating the patients of this area About 60% of our patients that we see just rehab specific are within the city When we're looking at physical therapy occupational therapy sports medicine Services a lot of times we're looking at mobility issues We're looking at people that have a hard time moving hard time getting from one place to another Keeping this facility in the city of Sheboygan is crucial in Allowing these patients to get the proper care that they need majority of our patients that we see also take the city bus transportation system another service that is vital and being able to Allow these patients to be able to get the proper care that they need on top of the duties that I oversee at the hospital also a charge of overlooking outreach athletic training coverage to not just Organizations within the city, but also out to the community my Backgrounds as an athletic trainer Expert in the injury prevention rehabilitation as well as evaluation So looking at the current facilities that the youth have in this area is from my mind Not a good way to prevent injury the proposal that we're putting out there with the money that we're able to fund We're going to see not only an increase in youth activity But we're also going to see a decrease in those injuries of the of the younger population And we know especially at that early age if we can prevent things early on the better and more success We're going to have for those people to not only play athletic careers when they get to high school But live in active and healthy lifestyle So I would say to those that are the decision-makers to those community members that that may be on the fence or maybe even a Post to it. I would say it's our job to try to pull you into this project We're not trying to push this project and any one of you I would welcome I would give you I have my card here if you'd like to talk about more of the services that we provide some of the Outreach plans that we have currently the site that we that were based out of that Memorial Hospital on the ground floor We have no green space to do any of the the outreach programs that we're looking to do so yes from a business standpoint This is going to help us but a global reach working with the different youth organizations Working with which we've done in the past with the Sheboygan police department We just need the green space to be able to do that on top of our for own benefit These brand-new sports facilities are going to be something special and growing up in the community Again, I mentioned I'm from Usper going with the county and having a lack of that to be able to provide that for my own kids Which I have four of and and others in the community I'm definitely excited for as Mike said to keep this momentum going I'm definitely proud to be an Aurora employee and I'm definitely proud to be able to have a hand in this project So I appreciate your time and have a good day. Thank you Next up we have Pam Ott and then Jim Kleinfeldt. Are you you're gonna speak good? Pam could you give me your full name and your home address, please? Yes, my full name is Pam Ott and I'm at 105 1st Street unit number one in Sheboygan Falls Okay, and you'll have three minutes. Okay. Thank you I am a leader in For Aurora Sheboygan Memorial Medical Center and also have oversight over the clinics in Sheboygan and Calumet County But the reason that I'm here to speak to you is I want to speak to you as from the perspective of a parent But first before I do that There are so many reasons that have already been spoken to in the last 20 minutes as why this project is so important But I also want to add not only to it the potential for future economic development that this project will bring to Sheboygan But also it is a premier opportunity for the youth in Sheboygan as it relates to athletics And that's what I would like to speak to I'm not originally from Sheboygan But I am from Verona, Wisconsin, which is a community that's southwest of Madison I grew up in Verona and had the privilege of raising my children there and during the time I was raising them actually let me just back up one of the things that I believed in and raising my children as I Wanted them to be in a community where there was exceptional Academics and a strong educational system strong athletics and strong music. I felt that was really important for them to be well-rounded My children had that opportunity Verona has a strong Educational system, but we were a little weak on the sports and during the time when my children were growing up in elementary school I had a son and a daughter Verona and the community built a hockey rink they built red and red in park many of you in soccer may be familiar with that particular sports complex a little league Sports complex that includes three baseball diamonds and a softball field two high school softball fields Which coincidentally were also called the field of dreams and also a football in a lacrosse field The addition of these exceptional athletic facilities has been a contributing factor to the economic growth in Verona It's also raised the bar as it relates to Verona athletic programs from youth all the way through high school My children benefited from these new facilities during child in their childhood years and for and will benefit for the rest of their life And I'd like to see those opportunities for the children here in Sheboygan I know one of the things my son's hot sack hockey coach once said is is To get your children off to a good start you want to make certain that they always have good equipment and good facilities And I tell you that's stuck with me from the very beginning As I mentioned I believe every child deserves this opportunity and I'd like to see this for the children of Sheboygan Verona has a slogan. It's called your hometown USA And I'd like to see Sheboygan have that with this additional Investment that it that was being proposed to this community I would like to ask for your support of this important project for the Sheboygan community and thank you for this time. Thank you Next up we have Renee Rush and Following her I can't read the writing, but I think it's Pauline Lagan now ski So if you could come up to Renee can you give me your name and home address, please Renee Roush 2301 North 34th Street, and I have three minutes. Okay. Thank you one of the reasons that we're here is I am opposed to the building of The destroying of the field of dreams One of the reasons that you know one of the things that was brought up on the I Guess the other side of it is that there's parking issues over in the field of dreams And I want to make clear that there is no parking issues. There is a 210 parcel Parking spots there over the field of dreams during the baseball season. There are no issues with parking on the roads Everyone uses the parking lot. There's nothing nothing going on there But during soccer season people feel the need to not use the parking spaces provided and to park on the road Thus creating or giving the illusion that it's just crazy wild there and it's insane Just use the parking lot and there's never an issue So just wanted to clarify that We talked about last Thursday about the different acreages acres that we have Currently the taxpayers own 111 acres 54 acres at the boots and farm 35 acres at the field of dreams and 22 acres on the East parcel of land across from the field of dreams It's a simple subtraction if you take the 35 acres away We only remain with 76 acres of usable green space We currently hold and own 111 of those acres. Do you want to see the green space in the city? Downsized by 35 acres Just something to think about Shboygan has a history of trying to destroy and run over your green space, you know For example, there's Taylor Drive years ago. They want to take and pave Taylor Drive through Evergreen Park all the way through Maywood. Thankfully that was stopped so we could preserve some two great parks That we have those are nice Outdoor nature preserve parks. They are not the same thing as the field of dreams green space Years ago We wanted to put the city Police station on the Sheridan Park area and People fought hard for that. It wasn't even as utilized as much as the field of dreams is now Thankfully the city came to their senses and voted that down It decided not to do that and I'd hope that we would do the same thing this time around This would be a four times bigger mistake because more people use this facility In this park. It's not just a soccer field. It is it is a park. It is a green space. It is utilized for many different things Last Thursday, I asked at the Shboygan area school district had approval from the DNR To build on this and to make these transactions happen and the question or the answer to me was not yet We're in the process My question is why would you consider rezoning? Why would you consider? Making a decision on this when you don't have all of the approvals necessary has the DNR Excuse me your time is up. The DNR proved it. It has not yet. Thank you Next up. We have Pauline said oh, it's past. Okay Like now I was wondering if I could give my time be family who wasn't able to sign up That's fine. We'll open up the floor afterwards. We have to let everybody speak We just wanted to have a feeling so if you want to speak you can speak or or you can pass Okay, then I guess I'll speak I just want can we just get your name and your home address, please Kat Legonowski 2225 North 35th Street. Okay, and you'll have three minutes. Okay, I Went around collecting Signatures and just questioning neighbors around the neighborhood. There were out of all of them that I went to I would say only three four of them that didn't want to sign and that was because they were employees of Aurora And they felt that if their name or address were on the petition that there could be some repercussions So they they did talk about this and some of them weren't happy about it Others were unbiased didn't care it one way or the other but what I do want to state is our We really want to keep this green space. We're not against Aurora and Sheboygan at all There are just other places that they could go that would make a little bit more sense than taking the park away and losing those extra acreage It just doesn't seem right to do that and then also with your study your traffic study Where your driveway is going to be put? There's a very short street there exactly where I live and for you to have a driveway right there is going to make that even More complicated and Gilea Avenue currently has got a bunch of big potholes in it That really needs to be fixed in our area because the concrete obviously wasn't good enough when it was put in So there's a lot of tear down on that street and if you're going to be putting trucks going in and out of there It's just it's good to deteriorate it so and there's also water plane right in that area too So I do see that you have a pond plan there But I don't feel that that's going to be enough for that and also have you really taken into? Consideration that we had to have the holding pond put in on 29th Street there at the corner of Gilea and 29th Street For the flooding that we've had out there before So it's just I do think that that needs to be considered I don't know if you've done that or not and the other thing is from a disaster recovery Perspective we have two hospitals the only two inch of Boygan and I know you don't want to put a use You're saying you're not going to put a hospital there But with the space that you're building and how you talk about campus you eventually will move that there and build there If something would happen come through there it would destroy both of them at the same time because they're so close I've been in the disaster recovery aspect of business And I know that you need to have them so far apart in order to make the government disaster recovery plan pertinent So it's just some things to consider and the other thing is what you've taken away from a lot of the kids That aren't in sports that go use that field To go with their telescope at night and go view the stars or to use their RC radio Controlled planes or even when our kids were younger even there's still kids that do it shoot rockets off So they don't end up in somebody's yarn It was always big enough to do that without having it in trees or in someone's yard So those are all things that kids do that aren't sports oriented And we all know that we are getting the the boots and farm no matter what so Sports isn't what you consider out of the picture. It's gonna be there It's just that whether you build there or you build at a few other sites in town You'd still donate Correct, or is that just a dangle in front of us? Excuse me pay out your time is up. Thank you Next up we have Christine Larson and following her is Melissa rush. I mean Melissa broadish Something similar to that Hi, can you give us your name and address please Christine Larson my address is n7233 County Road T Glenn Bula Okay, and you will have three minutes. Thank you I've been a clinic employee for the last 15 years first as a nursing supervisor and now as our director of operations Part of my responsibility is ensuring that we attract and retain physicians in our multi specialty group I am at the point in time where we don't have enough space in the Sheboygan clinic at 2414 Kohler Memorial Drive To hire Physicians have their own office and see the patients that so desperately need care with us and having the ability as Adam and Mike pointed out to Develop our orthopedic program. We have an aging population in Sheboygan and my biggest fear as a nurse is not having access for our patients Who need it the most? That's really all I have to say I echo support for the project from behalf of the county as well Living on the western side of the county it can be difficult to access care In that area, but having it off of Taylor Drive is accessible for those of us that drive in from the county. Thank you Thank you Next up is militia broad broad ish Brack probably ruin your name as well, so that's okay Okay, we just need your name and address, please and you you can tell how it is. All right Melissa brush from 3320 Geely Avenue, and you know three minutes. Thank you Again, we're not against Aurora building a new facility. We we understand that and We're happy to support that we we are fortunate enough to have wonderful facilities We do have the boots and property now that we can hopefully someday afford to build on But I wanted to talk to you specifically Looking at this from a taxpayers point of view and from the city of Sheboygan and whether this makes financial sense When you have other options mr. Gravener So I started to look at the boots and property in the soccer complex. I hope we can eventually have that right now as taxpayers I don't think we can afford to do that We I'm wondering if we have bids on this property because if you look at the property and you do a topical map It's gonna take a ton of fill. It's hilly. It's grady It's gonna take a ton of money to get that property ready in order to get it to this five fields And what it's gonna do? We're not gonna be able to do that for two point three million dollars plus $800,000 in property taxes. I'd like to see the bid on that what it's gonna take because we're not gonna be able to do it And also, I don't know if we considered the annual maintenance fee And we calculated that for phase one But we should have the money for that because I did do a comparison With the appa toned fields and I have some numbers here to share with you One of the things that was talked about is that the clubs can support this I do hope that to be true, but the facts don't support that I looked up the 990 tax 2013 forms and the total expenses for our soccer club advertising equipment uniforms It's about sixty three thousand dollars annually to run that club And they were a three thousand dollar deficit. They had sixty thousand dollars in revenues And unfortunately our football club is in worse shape, but there are nine ninety tax Is said that they had expenses of thirty six thousand dollars and they only got revenue of twenty four thousand They were fifteen thousand one hundred sixty five dollars short Which tells me that we don't have the money in our clubs to be able to sustain a Field like this. How do I know that? because I looked up a comparable in shields Right here, and I looked they have more fields. They've been a business about 20 years. They rent their Facilities from the city of Appleton Their soccer club does it's called the Appleton soccer club. It's on the website and It costs them about four hundred ninety two thousand dollars a year and expenses to run those fields And so if you break that down to five fields and make it comparable It cost us about a hundred and fifty thousand dollars to run those fields And I just stated that the soccer club was three thousand dollars short you last year and it only cost them Sixty three thousand dollars to run which means we'll be short about ninety thousand dollars now the question is is the city taxpayers going to have to make up that money and Are we going to tell the kids? No, I mean there's just so many unfunded liabilities at this point to the taxpayers We cannot do this Time is up. I wish we could Next up is Lorraine green followed by Vicki Meyer Lorraine, can you give us your name and home address, please? Yes, it's Lorraine green 2308 North 35th Street, and I'm here you'll have three minutes. Thank you I'm here to oppose the sale of the field of dreams I've been doing a little by the way. I want to preface this by saying I also support a New facility from Aurora. I am not against them building here. I'm just against them building on our green space I've been doing a little contacting with the DNR Because I know that the DNR Gave us a ninety two thousand dollar grant to develop the field of dreams It's a something Nelson Fellowship stewardship program. So anyway, they have to follow The DNR guidelines I find it very interesting that after over 17 months of negotiating between the school board and Aurora that the DNR was not contacted by either one of those groups until Monday, February 16th Which is just a little over a week ago No one had any concerns that the sale and future projects associated with the sale of the field of dreams Would conflict with DNR guidelines until one week ago We actually contacted them two weeks ago So because that's when we found out so here we stand today two weeks passing the original sale date Approval by the school board and no one even consulted with the school board before the original vote date was scheduled Doesn't this raise a red flag to any of you here? For a grant to be approved. There are certain criteria that are set up for post-date approval of the grant from the DNR Did anyone check to see if these criteria were being followed? Nope, I have I have it here, and I'm just going to slip it in it wasn't in my original It says the proper. This is the condition The property acquired or developed with the assistance from this program Shall not be converted to uses inconsistent with public outdoor recreation Without the approval of the DNR So here they want to convert it to a medical facility So anyway, that condition is not met There are wetlands that are designated on the artwork presented to the public both on parcels of land on Taylor Drive East and the parcel on West Does this current wetlands legislation have any bearing on what can and cannot be done on these? Properties has anyone bothered to clear this or check this out with the DNR Well according to the man that I talked to know it was just finally referred to them this past week And that was only because we alerted them to it According to Jim Ritchie the supervisor of the grant program with the DNR at least two conditions need to be met Before the DNR can prove approve this Aurora development First the wetlands of the waterways needs approval Second the contamination of the soil on the east parcel needs to be to meet any contingencies with that So a medical facility is going to be constructed on land Yes, I'm sorry Lorraine time is up. Oh my goodness. I didn't even get to the water runoff Somebody ought to check that out Thank you The water that's coming next up. We have my it goes from Let's see next up. We have excuse me ma'am. You're done south to north and can we hear of your name and home address, please? Vicki Meyer 3107 North 26th Street, Sheboygan, and you'll have three minutes. Thank you And again, nobody is opposed to Aurora building a new much-needed facility just not on the field of dreams There has to be some place else that will be suitable for Aurora to build and we're all for that Just not on the field of dreams. I was part of a group of people that saved Sheridan Park Marilyn Montemare was part of that group Marilyn Donahue David Gallinetti, they all fought to save Sheridan Park and we did and the police station was built Just someplace else It appears that money is driving this issue and it's sad that so many people can be bought off by money and after the Sheridan Park saving Park and Forestry Commission was created and Why wasn't this referred to the Park and Forestry Commission? The rezoning affects the city the city would not destroy a park and And I think this issue is just way too big for the plan Commission to deal with I think they should send this to the full council with no recommendation and let the council decide on this and Basically, that's all I have to say and I'm just hoping that everybody please dig deep in your heart and Realize that destroying this park is wrong on every level. Thank you Thank you. Is there anyone else that would like to speak just raise your hand so I get an idea of who's out there Okay, mr. Beems you want to start out and Next person can take the chair if anyone else who wants to be on deck just step up here and take the chair next to the podium Okay, we're gonna need your name and address, please Jonathan be miss be MIS Home address 3612 Saban Avenue, okay, and you will have three minutes or We are all here in this room Stakeholders right in the community in which we live I Want to talk to the plan Commission to the city officials Every citizen in here represents one vote. It's the foundation of our system one person one vote Money does not buy extra votes No matter how much we want to think about budgets and about donations and about soccer parks Money does not buy extra votes This has been described as a win-win-win and While I will acknowledge and while you've heard other members of the neighborhood of the city of Sheboygan and the town of Sheboygan north of superior and west of Taylor talk There needs to be a win for Aurora if they're if they're if they as a business and they as a health care provider Need more space well, they need more space School board has got a budget problem city needs recreational facilities. Okay win win win but unfortunately the way the proposal is Has been proposed the way the plan has been put together There's a fourth group that's losing and that is all of the residents of that corner of town The city and our elected officials have a responsibility to equally represent all interests and the residents of that section of our community are Going to lose Please consider the fact that you'll be taking from Miss Rush put it very well a hundred. We've been told there will be more recreational space 111 minus 35 is not more it's less the idea that The soccer clubs and football clubs will be able to self-sustain those properties when right now the school district is Right is obviously as I think has been pointed out by miss Bresch a little bit ludicrous There's also the DNR if they haven't been contacted and all this discussion has gone down I wonder if the DNR Can be bought by money I'm asking the plan commission to please consider rejecting this proposal or I'd like the novel approach of Setting it to the full Common Council and to our elected officials with no recommendation So that it may be decided on behalf of all the citizens not all the citizens Accept the residents of the northwest corner of Sheboygan. Thank you Thank you And can we get your name, please? Sure name is Corinne Maneuse Okay, hold on. Let's spell that. Okay First name Corinne C O R I N Last name Maneuse M E N U G E Good one and your home address, please 1535 North 27th Street Sheboygan, Wisconsin. Okay, and you'll have three minutes. Thank you So I just want to thank everyone for this opportunity to get up here and speak today as The young person who has recently graduated from college and is now in a space of deciding where to move next This is kind of a great opportunity for me looking at do I want to stay in Sheboygan? Do I want to move somewhere else? This is definitely a very key consideration for me I came into this just recently being informed by my cousin Mary Joseph goes and who's also present here today But I came here today to observe and see what I could gather and I just want to speak a little bit to my observations So first off, it's clear from what I've heard today that Aurora does have the right intentions I've gathered that much from the Aurora staff members that have spoke from the representatives of the corporate entity But I think it's very important when making large decisions like this to weigh intent versus impact There is a very clear correct intent here But I'm seeing from the citizen complaints that there's a very big gap between what the intent is and what the impact That will be held on the citizens It is clear also that the residents are concerned. I'm a resident I am too But speaking a little bit to the rest of the citizens I think using language like destroy another negative language kind of obfuscates our point because then we're speaking from anger rather than reason so What I see overall here is that it's clear that dialogue has not happened between the citizens and between and between Aurora and Now I want to speak a little bit to young people I've heard young people as a phrase tossed out a lot today though. I haven't seen any young people up here speaking per se That's not comment about anyone's age. No offense But I want to speak a little bit to young people, you know, everyone said this is what young people want This is what young people will want well as a young person. I will tell you what I would want I would want to live in a community where there's actually significant dialogue happening between residents and a corporate entity And right now when I see something like this where dialogue basically gets shut down where it's one telling no, I'm right Please believe me. I'm right and the other thing. No, I'm right. Please believe me. I'm right No dialogue happening between the two. That's not a community. I want to live in so Speaking as a young person if you want to see a community where young people will move in you'll make dialogue happen between all of your entities Thank you. Thank you. I Need your name, please. Yes, Debbie de Moulin and my address is 1704 North 35th Street And you'll have three minutes. Okay. Well, I found section 15 0.903 the amendment of official zoning map and Sheboygan and I ran across that to do this. They have to consider Land use intensities and land use impacts as related to the Enveron or on the whole the Enverons of subject property and We have to check that it's not in conflict with pres visions of the city's comprehensive plan master plan Also the city council, I mean there's a lot in here But we're not following it because the city council shall schedule a reasonable time and place for a public hearing to consider The application with 45 days after receipt of the written recommendation from the plan commission. That's 45 days and It says at least 10 days before said hearing the city clerk shall mail an Identical notice to the applicants to all property owners within a hundred feet of the boundaries of the subject Property as identified in subsection blah blah blah and to the clerk of any Municipality whose boundaries are within a thousand feet of any portion of the jurisdiction of this title Which that would be the town of Sheboygan also it says Yeah, they have to well. Yeah, I said they have to include the impacts and I'm gonna find my last part And then if we want to protest it if they follow all these because we're not following the time frames or anything But if we do follow everything The owners if they in the event that we protest against it to the official zoning map Filed with the city clerk duly signed an acknowledge either by the owners of 20% only or more of the areas of the land included in such proposed change or by owners of 20% or more of the land Immediately adjacent Extending a hundred feet there from or by the owners of 20% or more of the land directly opposite there to extending 100 feet from the street frontage of such opposite line then such amendment of the zone official zoning man It shall not become effective except by the favorable vote a favorable vote of three-fourths of the members of the County Council so In other words, it doesn't seem like they're in they're considering the people who own property there and Your and that has to be considered and then I also if I wanted to say yeah We have to consider the DNR too I talked to the DNR the same Jim Ritchie and he said we're doing everything in the opposite manner that the normal Channel should be which should be you should get it okayed by the DNR before proposing selling and rezoning and all that stuff and There are other properties why steal a park for Commercial and it would change the full the whole area and then the property taxes St. Nick's pays a lot more taxes than Memorial pays and that is one thing. I don't understand I have there I have it around here if you want to see they pay lots more time this up. Okay. Thank you Can we get your name, please? Yes, my name is Scott Schaefer 2503 rolling meadow strives sheboygan and you'll have three minutes sir. Good afternoon My name is Scott Schaefer president of sheboygan youth football Thank you for allowing me to speak today on behalf of sheboygan youth football Our organization's 20 for 28 year old non-profit volunteer-based organization Works with their local high schools to teach fundamental football geared towards the participants perspective high schools We average 250 student participation level little history about our program Dates back dates back to 1987 Don Culleth who was then the head football coach at North High School started our program it was meant to develop fundamental football skills for all sixth seventh and eighth grade students at a time when the area middle schools Cut out the football programs and other sports as a cost savings measure Metal many schools had an advantage as their programs remained or were already run by organizations such as ours Don remains Don Culleth remains an active role on our board of directors today The opportunity of having a home of her own dedicated to football is incredible We are truly a sport without a home and we are one of the few sports If not the only sport youth sport in sheboygan without a dedicated area to practice and compete We have gratefully and without complaint played on the Bratwurst days Park and lot known as Kiwanis Park We've shared that space with baseball softball Private parties Shuttled equipment in our private vehicles at times dealt with unsafe parking insufficient broken lighting All with a constant background noise of skateboards and BMX bikes We have rented our own space for equipment purchased our own scoring system hired referees Rented high school fields paid to have our lines painted on the fields rented equipment Tents at no cost the taxpayer We have given out thousands of dollars in scholarships We have benefited thousands of sheboygan area youth with our program in 2010 we added a fifth grade tackle and a fifth through a grade cheerleading program Getting a commitment through the generosity of the butts and family the city of sheboygan the sheboygan area school district And especially Aurora health care to provide land space Opens the ability to apply for some otherwise unreachable grant opportunities With the NFL and other youth organizations to make our home a reality Although this is without question a difficult situation to try to raise Hundreds of thousands of dollars to reach our goals and dreams for the youth of our great city We're up for the challenge The potential have a place to call home for sheboygan youth football would probably exceed the Visions of mr. Cullet and at least take our program to the next level With the potential to hold year-end tournament play summer camps and league play would be a boost to the local economy and Re-energize some of the kids that may not be taking advantage of our program Just a few facts that I researched through various city agencies the population of our city is currently about 48,725 depending on who you ask But with the with the east-west division line of Pennsylvania Avenue. Excuse me Scott. I'm sorry your time is up Thank you. Thank you And can we get your name, please? My name is Tammy Rob. I live at 2224 North 34th Street here in Sheboygan Could I ask if we could have the site map up where it shows the east and the west parcels, please? How do you spell your last name? Is it Rob? RAA While we're working on that what I'm going to do is pass around a basket anybody who'd like to give a donation to any charitable organization would be appreciated So it's your choice up to you Okay, and go ahead Our goal this evening is to really make this project a win-win-win situation for everyone involved How do we do that as a community as a whole? And does everyone have any ideas on how we can do that? Well, we've been working as a team not only with our community with with Aurora with the school with the city And everybody wants to win with that being said we've proposed over 13 different sites that Aurora could certainly Build on we support Aurora in this project if we support everything they want to do with growth of their facilities and Physicians and so on and so forth, but there are different site locations that certainly can be collected Passing around the handout there are more than three sites on the north side of Sheboygan Maybe they should consider me Evergreen Park plenty of space and opportunity and growth for them Plus they would be off the 43 and 40 42 corridor the central location has more than six locations And the south side location has endless opportunity They talk about wetland or they talk about you know why Aurora what they need Well, everybody has needs and it's a matter of negotiating and compromising and working together as a team to make this a win-win situation Busting is not an issue. I've met with the bus company. They're willing to work with Aurora And everybody involved to make this project successful Railroad they've been working with railroad since their inception here in Sheboygan I don't see a challenge with that the market studies that I have seen and have actually produced for Sheboygan County shows That people want to stay on the south side or the north side They don't want to travel back and forth those publications and studies are posted online And you can certainly have a copy if you'd like that in addition Some of the stats that Aurora has shared throughout this process in the last two and a half weeks have been inaccurate I've pointed them out several times in several meetings anybody who would like a copy of that I'd be more than happy to share If you take a look at the back of this map, and hopefully it got around to everybody You will see a copy You'll see the west side and the east side parcel to make this a win-win situation and to save 2.7 million dollars is to keep the fields where they currently are and Aurora can build across the street on the east side There's plenty of acreage and opportunity and growth for them. So why can't Aurora consider that? Why can't they sit down and discuss that? I'm not sure why we've been asking that question for three weeks and Aurora has not given that answer They say it's confidential if we want to make this project successful Nothing's confidential and it should be open records and open book in addition If you take the current purveyor clinic and you times that clinic from an aerial view times that by nine They're more than ample growth Growth for them and that includes the wetlands that are around them So if you take a look at the back of this map, I have I have highlighted in yellow projected wetland Excuse me Tammy. Your time is up. Oh, thank you. Thank you very much Okay, I need your name, please My name is Mary Joe Zagosin. I live at 2314 North 7th Street Something I haven't brought up in my speaking is that my father was assistant administrator St. Nicholas Hospital for over 16 years Acting administrator for four. He was in the planning of that actual development He was the last person to leave the parcel on the Superior Avenue and it was Vacated and made into housing the plan that is actually there in That the sisters have made is a wonderful thing He also told me that before Aurora moved in all of the physicians and everyone that was in the community Worked together. There was a wonderful family that was here and all people work together and had wonderful Communications since Aurora has moved into the community that has dissipated and is no longer a factor His passion is medicine. He's still a pharmacist at 74 so He is opposed to them building there because we do need medical care in the south side of Chevrolet again We also have the estimate of the taxes that are put that are coming up that it's Approximately $200,000 annually that they will spend on that property It takes four million dollars for our streets and twelve million dollars for our police protection If they move the facility to the south side where they've already purchased land, we would still get taxes from them We do not need to destroy a green space that is currently across from already a Phenomenal medical facility. I am not opposed to having a roar here. That is not the case I'm not opposed to the Buttson property being placed What I am opposed to is the communication and the ethics that have gone behind this I've lived in progressive cities across this nation Project manager for a multi-media million dollar Number one acoustic design firm in the world I've done over 300 projects worldwide and this is absolutely Ridiculous that this is even being considered any other progressive city would have said no We're not getting rid of the green space. We have plenty of space on the outskirts. Let's build There's no emergency care from here to Fond du Lac. There's no emergency care from here to Plymouth There's not well, I should add that Aurora bought the hospital implement that had emergency care and closed it Did not add 24-hour care there. They only have urgent care There is no emergency facility from here to Manitouac or to report Washington If we were to move the facility out into the county and I do understand that money is a factor The big pile of money is being put on that field of dreams please Consider the out the long-term effects of this on Everybody the long-term effects of what it's gonna do with our growing city People don't want to move here because there is no progress. I Kind of want to move Again because there is no progress very Joe your time is up. I'm sorry Can we get your name, please? My name is Catherine Colas. I live at 2214 North 7th Street Okay, do you want to give us your last name again? What is how do you spell it? K-O-L-L-A-T-H Okay, thanks three minutes, please and what I did as she finished saying maybe she would want to move That's what I think we're trying to do here with Aurora I work at Aurora healthcare or trying to build this community to draw people in and and bring things into our community I'm a little nervous. I'm just gonna read what I have here. I Believe that we live in a great community here in Sheboygan. I believe that our city has a great future I believe that part of that great future is to improve the land currently labeled the field of dreams Your approval will allow Aurora to purchase the property and move forward with with the improvements of the recreational properties As well as the building of a state-of-the-art surgical facility. I Fill a lot of hats as I'm talking to you today I'm the mother of four children that have grown up playing sports throughout the recreation department the YMCA Diamonds youth football or youth baseball and Sheboygan youth football I'm currently a neighbor to the Aurora Memorial Memorial Medical Center facility. I speak to now How my home is it being affected by having a six-story medical facility in the middle of my residential neighborhood? I am also a Aurora employee as I speak To for the growth in the new facility as a mother of children who have played many sports first I would like to say the field of dreams is in poor condition and has been for several years My parents have been unable to attend various events at this field due to the unstable terrain And when they have watched their grandchildren, it has been from the car Parked on the street to ensure that my stepfather who walks with the cane will not fall We have had gains canceled due to the amount of mud on the field because of the poor drainage system Several visitors from out of town including my sister-in-law who grew up here has commented on the poor conditions of these fields Your football youth football is near and dear to my heart as Scott stated not only do my boys boys grow up playing youth football But don call us the founder of shabuigan youth football is my father-in-law. I Know the conditions of the field at Kiwanis Park that the kids play on I know the hard work and the many hours hauling equipment and renting tents and painting field lines I know the need to have a home a place to have pride in the soccer program has a home The baseball softball program has a home. It's time for shabuigan youth football to be given the opportunity to have a home as well In 2007 I purchased a home on 22 14 or 6th Street I live a block and half from a memorial hot the memorial hospital I can truly say that initially I was concerned with what it would be like to live next to the hospital the noise of the helicopters the Ambulances running the traffic up and down my street and the general noise of business I can tell you that I have been pleasantly surprised Aurora is a good neighbor The ambulances do not run their sirens until further away from the facility and the helicopters They blend in with the noises of life as a side note My family has decided to pray when a flight for life has landed for the family and the individual being transported Aurora will be a good be a good neighbor if given the opportunity to build at the fill the dream site January 2009 I started working at Aurora Memorial Medical Center as a gastroenterologist Technician and I loved my job My employer is always looking for better ways to take care of our patients as we move forward in the new age of Healthcare in order to do this effectively. We need more space excuse me Kathleen. I'm sorry your time is up. Thank you Does everyone who wished to make some comments to the Commission had a chance to speak? Okay, then I'll close the public input session and bring the conversation Back to the members of the Commission and the Council Does anyone have any? First of all, I'd like to ask a question You know we've had these meetings for the better part of two and a half weeks now Where we've had input from the neighbors and I'd like to ask Aurora, you know if they were able to change your Adapt their plan to take care of some of these concerns that were expressed Yeah, I think you've seen kind of our second rendition with what we presented today to consider the barriers You know the access to the to the property you know our intent is Because we are early in the planning process is to Create an advisory group that would be made up of Five people from the neighborhood You know our intent with that is we'll be sending a letter out to the to the 200 that we've been communicating with to see who's interested and We definitely want to have diverse Opinions with that to review our plan help us make sure that we're considering the needs And if we can address those we'll do we'll do our best to do that We'd also like that group to help us with construction. There's been concern definitely around the construction period And the and the dynamics that may create for the neighbors so that we're able To address those issues timely and make sure that we're planning around that Thank you very much commissioners any other questions All in Belanger Thank You mayor. I'd like to move to amend the request and recommend approval of the Can we put the motion on the floor to adopt the original request first? Please go ahead. Okay, so you want me to Move to accept the Resoning Yes, is there a second to that? Second we have a motion in in a second So the rezoning request is now on the floor for discussion or amendments, okay? At this time, I'd like to move to amend the request or recommend approval of the rezoning request subject to the following conditions Number one the future land use map of the city of Sheboygan comprehensive plan is amended to a classification consistent with the proposed rezone Number two it is also recommended that a resolution be drafted and introduced at the next city council meeting Directing a public hearing for an amendment to the Sheboygan comprehensive land use plan in a change in zoning for property located at 3306 Saman Avenue in number three Closing of the purchase of the sale of the former field of dreams property from the Sheboygan area school district to Aurora Healthcare or related entity for development of medical office Facilities on or before December 31st 2016 and I think that will address one of the woman's previous Issues that she brought for the public hearing. Thank you for that amendment. Is there a second? Second, okay. We have the amendment on the floor for further discussion. Is there any discussion on the amendment? Go ahead. Mr. Johnson, thank you for your time there. I've been a plant commissioner here. I've lived in Sheboygan since 1986 I've been a plant commissioner for 18 years various times and many times We had to address issues that didn't go over. Wild neighborhoods just to give a little background Based on the fact that there was a comment earlier that this issue was too big for us There's a process there are things that happen There are there are ways to get things done the way this goes We need to make a recommendation for or against no recommendation is in my opinion giving up That's not what we do the former century the century that's stored that was built over Just off of Taylor Drive. I was on the plant commission for that. No neighbors wanted that I happened to vote against it at the time clearly it has not worked out that happens both the Walmart's No one wanted those but there they were there the new pick and save on the south side neighbors Opposed talked it out worked it out. We were able to come up with a compromise One of the ones that stands out in my memory the former Lickies market Yackam's hall wanted to build there. These are folks who lived in Sheboygan The neighbors were both syphilis in their proposal to that proposition They did not want it and I strictly recall the owner of Lickies at that time saying then why didn't you shop here? We still be in business if you shopped here One after another through the years the car wash over off of Erie Avenue No one wanted that car wash and you know who was most opposed to it the bad elements that were in that neighborhood at the time And who were still there at the time not the good neighbors have nothing against them But the folks who were moved out were complaining completely to the high heavens. Don't tear this down Don't do this. Well, that's because you wanted to continue to be a bad element We make tough decisions here on the plan commission for a reason and we just have to reiterate if Aurora or anyone else Wanted to build a hospital on that land as it is today There is one committee who would hear that that would be the plan commission under a conditional use It wouldn't go any further these issues are never too big for us We just have to make sure that we listen and understand the complexities of the issue listen to everyone Without passion there are always emotion and sometimes it gets in people's way to having a good discussion I was I was approached in Walmart just on Saturday as a plan commission member by someone yelling at me this far from my face Okay, I'm used to that because I volunteered to be on this committee We need to make sure we make decisions without that emotion. That's why I would like to make sure that everyone who considers this Understands plan commission members do this not because they're elected We are not elected officials outside of the Alderman and the mayor the rest of us are volunteers on this committee Ryan is appointed we make sure that we listen to every committee member every person in the community who comes up to us on Both sides of the issue. We are not bought and paid for it. Those are the kind of words that get people into trouble We don't want to use those kinds of words. Thank you for your time there Thank you for those comments anyone else which discuss the matter any further Okay, then we're voting on the amendment All those in favor of the amendment is presented please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes Then we're returning to the main motion as amended one last call for any discussion See none all those go ahead Alderman Bellinger. Thank you mayor I would like to echo some of the sentiments that plan commission member mr. Jones Reiterated you know for some of those that spoke The the process that's going to take place is that we're going to make a recommendation Either in favor or against and it's going to go to the common council and then it's going to lie over and then the council I believe in April now is going to vote on the Recommendate around the rezoning so the full common council is going to vote In regardless of whether we recommend the rezoning or we did or we recommend against the rezoning that common council that body Can do whatever they want they can vote whichever way they do not have to take the recommendation from this body So by this body making a recommendation does it does not you know You know cement that the issue and and it's not a foregone conclusion that body in April the council can make whatever vote they want I would also like to Talk about some of the fuzzy math that I heard earlier discussed People were talking about a hundred and whatever acres of green space There's not a hundred in some acres of green space There is 35 acres right now and that's the field of dreams the east property I would not consider that green space right now. I wouldn't consider the blitz and puts and farm green space That's a field right now. It was being farmed. So You know the math that you know that you are subtracting green space by this project is completely false What's actually happening is you're gaining 35 or 37 acres of green space Yeah, so there's there's no destroying of green space. I would not be Considering this proposal at all if there was not a plan to address You know additional green space. So that condition has been met There's also a constituency in our community that has been underserved over the years In Scott spoke about that and that is the youth football organization They've been struggling to find a home and this would provide them with an opportunity To make significant improvements in their facilities and I think that's wonderful and I also think it's wonderful that Mr.. Gravener has reached out to the neighbors that are concerned about this project and putting together a an advisory committee He didn't have to do that He felt the need to do that and I think that's an outstanding proposition to you know to move forward with these people I've heard I've had countless phone calls and emails both for and against and I realize you know that the passion on both sides and You know, I do think that this is a positive move for the city and we'll be supporting it. Thank you Thank you for those comments Any other discussion Okay, then we'll vote on the motion as amended. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. I opposed motion passes I want to thank everybody for coming to speak and share their opinions on this issue I guess one thing we should just say is that the timeline on this Originally, we thought that this would come back for a public hearing to the second council meeting in March And that's now going to be at the first council meeting in April and that'll take place on Wednesday April 8th. We have a slightly different schedule that week because of the election So rather than having a meeting on Monday, it will be on a Wednesday that day Next is item 2.7, which is RO 242 of 1415 submitting a communication from EHS specialist air and landfill management Kohler company proposing to construct a vertical expansion or continue disposal of hazardous Industrial solid waste on the Twin Oaks landfill site. Turn it over to Steve This communication that we received from the Village of Kohler with regards to their landfill site There's certain certain permitting processes that they're required to go through through the Department of Natural Resources And one of those is to give the city of shabuagan notice of what they're proposing to do That's just I believe just a little bit of an increase in the filling of the height of the existing landfill So there isn't anything taking place in the city. It's a notice that's provided We've received the document and staff is simply recommending to file the document first Just just a minute on this the There is some concerns from the public work standpoint on stormwater runoff And I don't know if we can necessarily address it with this but the recommendation would be that if we sent this back to the Council we would have a clause in there that they further discussions with Stormwater because some of their leachate that comes from that landfill They have proposed to send it to our wastewater treatment plant And I'd ask Dave be able to maybe give us a little bit more update on what he knows related to that Thank you go ahead. Yeah, I had conversation with with Kohler company representatives and at this point Everything's going to meet DNR standards Their application has provisions in there for their stormwater runoff leachate collection as well as the contours of the proposed added Feature that they're adding it's basically going to extend the life of their facility another 15 years that's the maximum it can be extended and It's just basically our notification. So I don't think we should have any problems because it's going to have to meet all the DNR regulations Okay, I guess that entertain a motion to accept and file this What's our proof that's presented Second thank you for that motion Any final discussion go ahead city attorney Steve The Kohler company letter is actually asking us to provide them with indication as to whether or not There there are particular local approvals that are applicable that that we need as a city to provide them or provide them a statement that they're No local approved so I guess what I'm hearing from Mr. Beeble is that there's no approvals or Permits that would be required from the city and Out of courtesy if that's the case we should probably Perhaps amend the motion to To provide that a letter be drafted to the Kohler company Expressing that there would not be any local approvals required Are the motioners okay with adding that to their motion that a letter to that effect would be sent? Yes, okay? All right Any other discussion? See none all those in favor of the motion please signify by saying aye opposed here both side motion passes item 2.8 is 2045 or 1415 Rededicating vacant portion of north a street from a point six feet south of the north line of Wisconsin Avenue To a point thirty eight point five feet south of the north line of lot Seven block one twenty nine of the original plat Steve This this is north a street where the Boston store property jets out into the the street by the Library, so this is basically from the north side of song like books to the old right-of-way of Wisconsin Avenue That had been vacated in the past for Boston stores building to be built into the right-of-way As part of the planning process we just opened bids today to Reconstruct north a street in that section to widen the street and bring some angled parking back in that area so we're requesting that the Right-of-way be vacated and and given back as or the area being vacated and given back as right away So we can construct the improvements of basically widening the street there and adding additional parking Thank you for that explanation. Is there any other questions? Well, that'll do to allow us to have the same the same road with going from all all the way down the main street So that's that's that's why we're doing it. Okay. Very good Go ahead Marilyn. I'm so glad to hear that Did I lose it? Okay, it's there. All right. Okay. I'm so glad to hear that we need a street back Should never have done that in the first place Any other discussion Seeing none, I'll carry to you have Okay, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes Next is adjournment and entertain a motion So moved Second moved and seconded to adjourn all in favor, please signify by saying aye opposed we stand adjourned. Thank you very much