 Hey, so thanks for coming This I'm really glad that we found a slot to do this session I really didn't know that this was going to exist when they'll call for papers Was happening a few months ago. I'm doing another session Tomorrow as well, which is interesting, but I think that this this is really on a lot of people's minds And it's sort of probably burningly important for all of us Who's a Drupal service provider of some kind? Who is building what sites and applications for clients? Who does Drupal inside an organization for that organization? Okay, who's already deployed something on Drupal 8? Awesome, I want to hear about that afterwards, please. No Yes, no, that's we'll have some show and tell later So the the real session title I apologize. These are terrible slides. I put them together very very rapidly So there's text at the bottom you should never have text in the bottom third of your slides when you're presenting Yes, so the actual real title of the session why Drupal 8 why now PS Drupal 7 is still awesome That's actually the entire takeaways of the session. Remember that Drupal 7 is still awesome Most people call me jam. I have a really fun job title. I'm very I have a very active Stream here. I will be releasing plus minus 75 original podcast this year focusing heavily on Drupal open source and Really spanning the spanning the range from highly technical conference sessions To conversations with people who are building technology and using it and you know I find it interesting so and I'd be very happy to see you you can sign up on iTunes all the things That's my email. That's my Twitter where I'm also very active. Yes. I own this suit and That was a very happy accident that happened at Drupal con Portland. It was it was it was a funny moment So I was invited to be the a featured speaker at for the third time running at the CXO day of Drupal camp London Which was very nice and I was speaking with one of the organizers of that right around the beginning of the of the year and And he said to me as long as that's all it does then we're fine, but everybody watch out for that bit of wall So he runs a Drupal agency in London. It is not huge, but he's doing very well Their target is to go to 30 people this year and they've got good turnover and they're surviving so that's that's great and He said to me, you know jam you've got contacts over in the large-scale Drupal Group, you know, lots of people who are doing this. They're real thought leaders there, you know, they're doing so much with Drupal Over in the agency side of things we'd be really really curious to know what they're doing and what they're thinking So that we can work with them react properly and make sure that Everybody profits from this new release of Drupal very cool. I called my friend Mike Myers who's the vice president of large-scale Drupal Does everybody know what LSD is? LSD is a group of very large Drupal end-users who get together and have a lot of private conversations and a few public sessions about Their use of Drupal so you have extremely large media companies extremely large sports franchises People like the company that does League of Legends, which does all of its e-sports on Drupal It's by bandwidth the largest user of Drupal. I think even more than weather.com and NBC Universal and People that were not allowed to name but very very very large corporations using Drupal So Mike is the vice president that we he and I talked I was allowed to contact some members and we did a survey and Talking with these people they said, you know The digital agency people they're the real thought leaders in this space We'd really like to know what their plans are for using Drupal 8 so that we can be ready for that and react appropriately So apparently I was the only so I ended up being the only the man in the middle right the person I was supposed to tell both groups what they were and they had no thoughts of their own So anyway, so I really had fun. I've talked with a bunch of people in the last Let's say Six weeks or so about what's going on with Drupal 8 right now what it is what it does what's going on out in the wild what's changing and I want to share that with you and Help you for example when you have a customer conversation people are having clients come potential clients come to them and say well Requirement one for this site is it's got to be in Drupal 8 and requirement to this and requirement three that and in a lot Of cases that's just not right right now And you need to talk them off the cliff you need the business you need the pipeline right But they don't need Drupal 8 right now and they need to understand that Drupal 7 still supported and so on and so forth So that's a large part of this conversation Did everybody see and she's keynote this morning? Yeah, right Drupal 8 it's really really cool right who got really excited about Drupal 8 because of that Yeah, so we've been excited about it a little too early and a little too long and some of that leaked out So, you know like got into the hands of the wrong people, so let's just go over Let's just go over. This is I think relatively complimentary to the list that Angie presented this morning, but a few things features of Drupal 8 so The first two this is sort of listed from outside the site to inside the site so front-end to back end The first two points Essentially mean that it were in a multi-device reality and Drupal could cope with that whether it's your Apple Watch or your tablet or your phone or what Have you? Displaying regular old websites. We do that very well and and very easily out of the box the second part so It's not only you know We used to call it mobile first right responsive design So restful first the restful architecture internally externally means that Drupal 8 can ingest anything And any any data from any web service and and also output data in any format It doesn't have to be HTML 5 that there's a the view the piece of the view on Angie's slide this morning Is actually expressed as serialized Jason Which is a view expressed as code to fit to go into an app to go into an angular friend and what have you so These first two mean that we can put Drupal into your refrigerator or your motorcycle or your shoes Or or your Fitbit or whatever it is We're ready for this multi-device reality and this is a huge benefit and it's gonna mean that we're doing all sorts of things with Drupal that we never thought of before The authoring experience has much improved and you showed that off pretty well this morning the incremental release cycle the real point about that is that For the first time we can have new features within the mainline release And we have real core developers who for their entire core development career have never worked on a working living Breathing released system that we're using in the trenches so that for the first time and I'm not being critical I mean I'd say it with as much love as I can master, but they are gonna have to come out of their ivory tower and help us make a Working system for the people who work on Drupal, right? There's gonna be no Drupal mind head when Drupal 8 comes out and we can make that better So we get innovation within our main release. That's a huge advantage that we've never had before The multilingual features in Drupal 8 that you can already use now are incredibly robust and they're robust enough for live Multilingual sites run by content authors already. They're really really incredibly good and You know especially over in Europe we need this a lot Configuration management keep all your configuration code version control it roll it back roll it forward Import export it gives us huge deployment advantages It means that we can do deployment that's secure and predictable in in ways that we've never done before and I think it's gonna You know radically change our workflows very very soon Andrew was talking about symphony and twig and other external components that we've adopted So the base of the pyramid of technologies that we're using is much broader now We have a lot more eyes on the code a lot more people fixing things our Innovative incredible ideas that we've always had as a community in the last 13 years all of a sudden can also flow outwards because we're using Let's see it doesn't even say it here, you know, we're using an up-to-date version of PHP. We're using up-to-date patterns So we can influence other projects and make them better But we get a lot more a real influx of talent and all sorts of developers who always looked at our crazy weirdo Hooks in a raised world up to Drupal 7 now can look at our code and say oh I Can use this and so we're gonna be able to find employees and colleagues a lot more easily I've got an example of this coming up in the presentation Drupal 7 is great and we know it's great and we can deploy it quickly And that's one of the main points that I need to get across today is there's there's no reason to abandon Drupal 7 at all right now We love it. It's beautiful. It's our baby It happened very organically right all of the different internal systems and apis evolved over time Hook help has been in Drupal in Drupal unchanged since Drupal 3 Okay It's very organic. It's a jungle and it we know how to use it roughly My friend Brent win in Chicago. He's an extraordinary Drupalist He is the one of the co-creators of what's called the The demo framework this of distribution which is turning into the lightning distribution It's a it's a standardized way of deploying large Drupal sites that they're working on on aquia in aquia And it's it's it's it's really really check out project lightning. It's great So I was talking with brand about when he learned Drupal 7. He said I'd I'd Take a weekend and learn an internal system And then I'd take another weekend and I'd learn another internal system and then I'd take another weekend And I'd learn an internal system in Drupal 7 has I don't remember is it 21 22 internal systems and Created at different times by different people with different In under different circumstances and they work in radically different ways how they handle data how they handle crud crud operations and so on You really have to know and also as Angie pointed out a lot of like using a lot of the hooks It's like it relies on your goodwill to write the right words in the right order, you know, it's all naming conventions It's very very fragile Drupal 8 was conceived out of the box with it with a unified idea all of the internal systems work in one way for all of their standard operations so Brant spent his weekend learning one internal system and it turns out that he knows every system in core All of the base level functionalities the same and then all you have to do once you know that is Learn each system specialty. So there's a lot more files. It's put together in a very different way OO is interesting to read when you start out figure out dependency injection patterns But it's incredibly powerful and you'll have a huge leg up because once you've gotten over that initial learning hump You're already ready to roll across the whole system. I think it's a huge advantage for us Decoupled architecture doesn't just mean Okay, that we can now if we roll this back and close the circle it doesn't just mean that we can use an angular front ends or Whatever Js framework is is fashionable next week And it doesn't just mean that we can feed native apps with our data. It means That if we don't like a particular implementation of something We can swap it out for something else through the dependency injection pattern that simply means you define that I need this kind of a service here and Then whatever it is you could put it in you can put stop code for testing You can use the system that it comes with by default or you can put your own thing in there So and it also means that you can turn off pieces of core that if you're if you've got a highly specialized app You don't need to bootstrap all of court. You can turn pieces of it off without killing any kittens. That's huge It's great. So there's some benefits that we're getting from all of these shiny new things in in Drupal 8 The question on everyone's minds right especially the the large-scale Drupal people How do we know when we're ready for it? How do we know when it's ready for us? And it's really really hard to tell and Especially in large organizations. Who knows the product adoption lifecycle curve Here's some different words that people use for it and then there's the famous, you know adoption Chasm and I think Drupal has enough momentum that we're not going to worry about the chasm too much I think we're confident that we're going to make this release happen and in a large organization like NBC Universal The you know one organization could be on a bunch of different points on this curve at the same time For Drupal 8 we're over here somewhere Right, it's working. There are some sites online And but it's not actually released yet. There's no beta-de-beta upgrade path. So we're right right right over here. So People who want to get in and this is where this if you're working for clients You know this can start to be interesting if you want to Have an advantage if you want to be Drupal 8 experts out of the gate, right? You need to be in on this you need to be looking at it now upgrading modules doing training Learning how to do all this coding right so that you can offer these services right when it becomes stable Your customers might want to be able to do things that only Drupal 8 can do and you want to be able to offer the Innovative features ahead of the competition for them, you know anywhere through here and anywhere where it hits You know 8.0 from from the introduction phase to the to the to the early adopters phase, you know That could give you an advantage if you want to make an investment now if you need massive Absolutely utterly rock-stable fully featured huge complex applications or you want to run Extremely mission-critical architecture for for your organization for clients you really need to wait You really need to wait until contrib catches up. You really it's not time yet for that There's a big push on to get Drupal 8 out by the end of September this year I really really hope it happens for our sake, but of course it's up in the air, but let's say it comes out first of October this year Historically contrib takes about a year to catch up on the one hand. So that might put you know put the safety point in q3 q4 of 2016 It might But it depends. I mean Drupal 8 core can do more than any version of core before so for simple stuff, you know Safe and ready might be a lot earlier. It depends Let's see what else I wrote down in my notes Right and exactly so and your definition of when safety starts It's a little bit hard to tell is it when 500 contrib modules have been released Or is it a thousand or is it the modules that you need for your project, right? It's a little bit It's not entirely sure so I Think and there's and there's something important now to talk about So this is the other version of that if you take if you take that then what happens is here At this point on the next product always starts right so that's That's this and if we look at if we say this is Drupal 7 I think what we can say safely this time is that this release is very different than anything that's happened before and This maturity phase is actually going to be longer than any previous release So if we Let's see so Drupal 6 has been supported for seven years Right now almost exactly Drupal 7 has been out for four years and a month or two and Drupal 7 support is going to continue throughout the date cycle as far as we know, right? So important point if Somebody needs a new project now, which is not appropriate for Drupal 8 Drupal 7 support is not going away Right and it's fully featured and you know how to release it so Drupal 7 is Scott We don't even know three four years of support in it for sure We've got the new incremental release cycle which makes Drupal 8 a longer release anyway and Drupal 7 is actually adopting the incremental release cycle pattern as well I think at a certain point all of the action is going to move to Drupal 8 and it's going to be a No brainer to choose Drupal 8 that would be a year from now 18 months from now We don't know when that when that tipping point happens But Drupal 7 not only does it have a lot of stuff back ported from 8 already Drupal 7 is already architecturally ready for there's a there's a post by David Rothstein about this It's already ready for Incremental improvements, which is pretty interesting. So I think that Drupal 7 has a lot of legs on it So so this means for example Organizations who've invested a ton of money in Drupal 7 infrastructure and they're very wary about Spending for spending sake you can save them. Actually your investment is completely safe. We will run this it will be secure We can even add new functionality when you need and at the point At which you ask for something that Drupal 7 simply cannot do Drupal 8 will definitely be ready for us because there's no question that you Can run Drupal 8 7 sites for years to come and and Amortize the cost over more years make money with them. Whatever your mission is no problem so This is sort of the beginning of the talking people off the Drupal 8 cliff conversation that you need to have it is Great technology that you know how to work with it is secure support is not going away for it and The upgrade situation is is very different To any that we've had in the past. This is also a terrible slide. I apologize For so much text, but it was the easiest way to get to get this together So as of right now Let's go through this a bit Now I never use these. Oh look see I never do this in my session Let's see if I can do this because it's a little bit tall for me to be waving at it So as I said and I'll jump up and down a little bit here So if you got to do a big site, okay? Big site large a big site and it's in public Well, you should really really run that on Drupal 7. There's no question and It's you know anything that needs people to log in and create content to be in groups and interact with the site at all Well Drupal 8 just simply does not do that right now and there's no reason not to take a A fully featured CMS that you know how to deploy rapidly and securely and release it right now and run it for three four five years There's no reason not to that is definitely case to use Drupal 7 What's great for Drupal 8 right now is to start learning you need to know how to do this a year from now You need to be able to really make it sing It's a great time for internal projects It's a great time to make your intranet like try it out or your public-facing company site if you can invest the time on it or An example I'm going to show today start product development based on Drupal 8 code. It's a great time to do R&D It's a great time to do prototyping. It's a great time to do internal work on Drupal 8 Frankly, if you've got people who need a site they want to do something but it doesn't have to be out next month If they can wait till the end of the year It's a probably a great case to talk with them about let we you know Let's do this if you can wait till the end of the year then you know together We'll assess Drupal 8 First of October. Let's see how it's looking and then you know, maybe I can Give you a site in Drupal 8 So the the the investment point for Drupal 7 is if you've already invested a ton of money in it Don't be afraid. That's great investment If you want to get in on the ground with Drupal 8 and spend money now on Drupal 8 Maybe help support some of the upgrades really you're gonna get Absolutely the most value for money over time if you're spending money on Drupal 8 now and Drupal 8 is gonna run for you know four or five years as the main release and then be in long-term support for another four or five years Right, maybe so you can really really get a lot of bang for your buck by investing in Drupal 8 now So if they can wait, that's maybe a good argument. Can you do it with core? Well Drupal 8 core is kind of amazing okay and Drupal 8 core has Let's see You can just about get it to do a blog right now. So it's got content. It's got views. It's got blocks It's got relationships and it's got multilingual. It also does integrations actually really well So if you can do it with Just core Like a fancy brochure site Actually, I've got an example of a couple of those and it's pretty great It's that that might be that might be a good sign that you could do a site with Drupal 8 right now But you don't get Almost anything with it Was talking with Michelle Schmidt from amazing labs about doing a site in Drupal 8 and they are Used to using node queue. Are you familiar with node queue? Yes. Well, how do you do node queue without node queue hmm Everything in Drupal 8 is an entity and and and and all entities are fieldable and all fields are Entities and entity references in Drupal 8 core So what if you make a block that has an entity in it with an entity reference? So essentially they built a node queue system out of core Not only is that? You know a really interesting work around but it also points out that with this new architecture We're gonna need less Modules we're gonna need fewer modules. We're going to there are I Believe thousands of best practices that we don't even know about yet in Drupal 8 as a consequence of this incredibly powerful Backend it's incredibly powerful system that's been put together very carefully. I mean Even Drupal 8 Admin layer is all views right Who can who can build a Drupal view? You can make any back end that you want for your Drupal now you can completely customize it Incredible we could never do that before that's unbelievable. It's so exciting. So we don't even know how we're gonna be working with this system yet So brochure simple small brochure sites They're possible right now. They've got a couple examples. They look pretty good Like I said if you want to be training and preparing for the next release. It's a great time However large mission critical user generated content all that stuff you don't you cannot be doing it in Drupal 8 right now It's not possible and you've got great You know processes to release secure stable states sites. So why wouldn't you be doing that? If you're going to if you if you have a Drupal 8 candidate There's no security coverage for Drupal 8 right now And that's a that's a giant red flag and you need hosting expertise To host it securely and it shouldn't be on shared infrastructure It should be very very carefully sandboxed and it should be backed up so that if you lose it to some sort of attack that we're not on top of right now That you know that's still okay for you very important point another really important point that it's actually incredibly stable There's never been a beta release at this stage It's been so stable and so great to work with because we've got such an amazing testing infrastructure in place because people have Been working with it so so so carefully for so long. It's actually in great shape No security coverage. No security coverage. There is no security coverage for Drupal 8 right now You can build Drupal 7 sites right now with an eye to upgrading them later Angie Talked about this. There are some points in her slides this morning that you should check out But you should also check out Drupal con Amsterdam future proof your Drupal 7 site by Dave Reed Just Google Amsterdam future proof Drupal Something like that It's an hour of your life that you will be well first of all He's funny the information is golden and it's incredibly valuable for all of our jobs He goes through and point for point module for module hook for hook Just gives a ton of information about all the stuff that you shouldn't use in Drupal 7 anymore All the patterns that are going to be killed and all the stuff that you should be thinking about When building a Drupal 7 site with an eye to upgrading it to Drupal 8 a year from now two years from now three years From now it's a really really great Really great session If you're looking to hire people having a reputation as a company that lets its developers contribute is A great way to hire people and retain people if you want to get up and running and you're looking to hire new people It might be a really good time to consider working with Drupal 8 in some capacity because it's simply a very attractive proposition for a lot of people So let's see contributing of course and we still need to get the damn thing out the door So, you know, please do contribute that would be incredibly helpful It's It's not documented in the documentation that was written last week in some cases is not valid this week So so if you want to run if you've if the project that you have in mind meets all of these other criteria for doing a Drupal 8 site You better have in-house real in-house PHP expertise either a Drupal core contributor Somebody who can run a PHP debugger a symphony developer people have real real real PHP chops because there are times when you know your site just might give you a white screen of death And there's no way that you can understand why unless you can step debug it and find out if you do Hooray because you're gonna get a give a patch back to the project, right? But otherwise very scary because you don't even know how long you're gonna be waiting till that gets fixed found and fixed by other people so Right, so let me read you a poll a bit of Angie's post web chick.net slash critical rundown Bogota This is from almost exactly a month ago February 14th It's it was Valentine's Day. Angie is clearly incredibly romantic Um, it's a it's a hardcore technical post about everything that needs to be done to release Drupal 8 It's it's it's definitely worth a read if you're interested in that stuff. So Angie's Valentine's Day missive. This is just one paragraph that it's very very important Security because Drupal 8 hasn't shipped yet. It's not following Drupal standard security advisory policy So there are still outstanding public security issues 13 as of this writing We need to resolve most of these prior to providing a Drupal 8 beta to beta upgrade path as this is the time when we signal to Early adopters that it's an okay time to start cautiously building real sites on Drupal 8 So last point here. There's no beta to beta upgrade path for a very good reason and I talked with Yes, it was amazing labs and they run their company side on Drupal 8 and they had it in Drupal 8 alpha and to get it from the last alpha version to beta 2 took a 1,000 line upgrade function to make it work And at the time so the US CEO CEO of so they have a US unit She said why don't we just rebuild it and port the content over? I mean, it's just a brochure site and Michelle Schmidt the CTO and and co-founder said no because we're learning and we want to do this, right? And so the developer they had who spent a weekend writing that upgrade function You know, he probably knows Drupal 8 core better than anyone right now But if your idea is of a fun weekend is not Writing 6,000 line upgrade functions hold off on putting a public site up in Drupal 8. Okay So I'm gonna putting these slides up in line up online. So you guys can definitely refer them Who's already on Drupal 8 there are a few sites out on Drupal 8 There's this beautiful little brochure site Drupal.com Drupal.com is the site It's designed for you to send prospective clients to when they want to know what this Drupal technology is about It's a marketing site. It needs to be beautiful I am now on the content team for this site and I've been assigned to find and write case studies for marquee brands Who are using Drupal and it's um, it's a fun project We're getting going on that and we're trying to define what the site is and what it should be and where it's going And it's it's interesting. It's Jesus property and You know, it's really for the project and for all of us in the project. So Drupal.com is running Drupal 8 already. I Keynoted Drupal Camp Vienna at the end of 2013 and Along the way I Oh, well, I was there I met this guy called Chris Jolly and Chris Jolly is the CTO co-founder I don't even know of a company called on track. Oh and Raq and on track is specialized in C programming legacy ERP integration E-commerce and like taking anything old and making it web-facing and so they're super super super hardcore geeks and he said I Came because we heard that Drupal 8 is gonna have symphony components in it and we're symphony developers and if it's true I never have to touch typo 3 again Right, so I said, oh Chris sure it's totally true and I took him through a lot of the stuff that we're doing I showed him some examples And we talked over the weekend. We talked several times and it was nice. I ran into him at Drupal con Amsterdam. So that's You know, what is that nine months later is that a coincidence, but anyway nine months later he said I Just thought of that. Um, yes So nine months later he said we have a client sign a client site online in Drupal 8 Thank you so much for telling me all that stuff. I took it home. I followed your advice. I went home I downloaded I opened up. I looked inside. It's like hey This is just a dialect of symphony. I can this is totally easy for me to use and they got to work Okay So that's a sign that will be able to hire new people that will be able to attract a whole new community And this stuff is really really great and it really really works and you know that have you who's heard of this headless Drupal Headless Drupal headless. We're not supposed to say headless anymore. I Did see a presentation at Drupal Camp Brighton where a guy was talking about bumless Drupal, which is pretty funny We're supposed to say decoupled Drupal now and this is really interesting. So this has been online since last summer already and This is Drupal 8 as the presentation layer and As the content management system, which is you know what Drupal gig really is Yes So But it integrates two different Oxide e-commerce instances a beta C instance and a beta B instance and they are in turn integrated with with at least one ERP system resource like logistics systems and All of that is integrated with a symphony application Which is for OAuth to single sign-ons between all of the systems. So it's very elegant Relatively straightforward and exactly what Drupal 8 was designed to do. This is exactly this is modular application design This is the way everything's going like Drupal is great at content management Sylexes for writing like super super targeted efficient micro applications use them for what they're good at so a symphony application For for single sign-on e-commerce for doing e-commerce and Drupal for managing content and in this case presenting it Fantastic, and you can do things like when you're in the whoa so when you're in the When you're in the when you're in the beta B portal. Yes So I'm never gonna use this thing again when you're in the B2B shop business wholesale clients can talk with the sales people from from Zomacabu and Say and they can have a conversation and that the sales person can make them an offer Change the sales conditions like make a bulk offer or make a special coupon code or something in the ERP system Which is propagated through the Oxide instances into the site and when the customer refreshes the page They can get a special offer live while talking with the sales person Pretty cool pretty cool. So this is Drupal 8 online decoupled architecture Really really great. This is screenshot of an iPad Application this is the logo for a project called Lisa. It's not part of the interface. Listen This is being built by a company called one agency. It's on github and on Drupal that or gets already been open source This is a Drupal 8 based Product it's an R&D phase one agency is a part of the Aussie group. They're based in Belgium so This is a second screen application for live events This is obviously sports is very easy use case to talk about but concerts conferences. What have you essentially? You can be watching the match of your club on a Sunday But there's everything else going on in the league at the same time So while you're watching your match the second screen is giving you timelines of All the other matches that are happening at the same time and So in the back end, this is Drupal 8 each Other event is a node nodes have Notifications and those are completely customizable in in in football. Of course, it's yellow card red card goal and so on That's completely customizable This links in to the Drupal instance through Rabbit messaging queue and and web sockets for push notifications So then you've got this timeline and while you're going on and it's also got things like fun things like social media Interrogation says an editorial team sitting at the media organization Following the games putting up anything that's interesting into this stream Putting up and and you know social media and everything and throwing that in there while you're watching your match You can hit anything on the timeline. This will go back and show you a replay of what happened in the video stream Which is fantastic. Okay, so this is all happening on your mobile device So you get this incredible rich experience of the whole day going on and this is powered by Drupal 8 It's a prototype I've seen parts of a demo. They're going to be working on this a lot more. They're looking to sell this and Nothing else does this Adobe experience manager. Nothing. No one offers anything like this in the content management space And they've already open-sourced it. It's fantastic. Check out Lisa. It's kind of amazing and I think it's really really going places the Schweizerische Gemeinnützige Gesellschaft has a website up five minutes and For legal compliance, it needs to be in four languages. It needs to be in German and French and Italian and I didn't even know what it's called in English. It does the fourth. Well, sorry Romance, okay, so Rito Romanisch or Ladino, right? All right, okay So this is a very beautiful brochure site and right now it's in German and in French. This is Drupal 8. It is Simple easy to use and the the organization itself They don't know or care that it's on Drupal 8. They have a website that's beautiful and that they can use They're entering and managing their own content. That was the point of doing all this. Who remembers the webmaster is dead, right? The old Drupal so again, so anyway, that's this. It's already running on Drupal Drupal 8 so this is This is French and then the German site looks like that and the other two languages are still coming I Ran into the crazy nut jobs called druid.fi in London last weekend It's an amazing Drupal shop from Helsinki that's doing very well They're growing and they're hilarious people to hang out with and they basically look like a heavy metal band and I mean literally the CTO has air down to here and he's about this tall and huge and Oh job, we have to tell you site. We just built on Drupal 8. They're amazing so so this is La Carriques Cusolba and that is a healthcare provider in Finland and They need to they need a new applicant. You've heard of them Yeah, so they needed a new website and they've got a new design And the druid guys decided that they were going to provide an incremental upgrade and this is kind of amazing It touches on migrate it touches on on CMI to some extent So they built a new application into the Drupal 8 front end essentially and it's fed by a back-end data source Right rest first. We remember that right The back-end data source for the Drupal 8 application is the old Drupal 7 website That they had all the time Yes, I thought they were crazy until I realized all the content authors know how to use that back-end, right? All of the processes are in place. It's not broken. So they still do their work over there While they get the Drupal 8 architecture right and then over time they can start moving subsystems and features over and migrating them into the new system It's Talking about best practices that we never thought of before. It's crazy genius. Okay. It is the weirdest thing I've heard in the last couple of weeks so look Drupal 8 is going to be incredible and exciting and fun and give us all sorts of benefits. There are some real value From adopting it now if you can and you need to be thinking about it and doing training and so on There's Drupal 7 is not in any way dead and if you need help talking people off the cliff There's a lot of support. There's a great migration path. It's fully featured. It's secure We can deliver it rapidly. We have established processes and so on and so on and if you really need to scare them Then throw in things like well Drupal 8 doesn't have any functionality And we need to port that module first and oh by the way security and a much more expensive server and at some point They'll calm down Drupal 7 is great in Drupal 7 is the greatest largest Most fully featured CMS that there is right now Okay, it is simply better than Drupal 8 by virtue of we've been using it in the world for four or five years quick rundown of when you could consider doing something in Drupal 8 keeping the keeping the negatives in mind as well and Yeah Any questions? I killed him. Okay. Thank you for coming. Thanks