 telephone conversation between President Johnson and Secretary of State Dean Rusk on November 29, 1963 at approximately 6 30 p.m. Secretary Rusk 2191. Two points. I do hope that we can let Hallaby go ahead to have these technical talks in Moscow about this similar possibility. In any event, it takes several months to work it out and this is one of the easiest ways to keep open a door where we're talking about something that might be of some importance in the future. This agreement was initial in 61 but not signed because of the Berlin crisis that summer. We were planning to go ahead with it and I think we perhaps ought to now. I wonder we need to make it to the right. He would be going over about the 11th of December. I mean give me a note on it tomorrow and let me look at it. I'm trying to point this presidential commission and make a statement right now. I want to tell you about this commission. You already told him. The Chief Justice John McCloy Allen Dulles, Senator Russell, Senator Cooper, Congressman Boggs and Congressman Ford. No, absolutely. Press plan. Now he's worried you that I got more Republicans and Democrats. Chief Justice is not regarded. McCloy, I don't guess is regarded as a red-out partisan, is he? Oh, he's not a partisan. The Chief Justice certainly has never. What about Dulles? Dulles, on this kind of an issue, I think would not be partisan. I think that would be good. Okay, my friend. Thank you. Good luck.