 James Swanakir, how are you doing? It's the first day of July in 2021. I can't believe that it's the second half of the year. You're just about to listen to an interview I did a few minutes ago with Robert and Roxanna Sosa, who are attorneys in San Antonio, Texas. They're a husband and wife team who are now 90 plus days alcohol-free. We talked about the challenges that they had with drinking before they joined our 90-day program. They talked about challenges they faced during the program and now what they're planning on doing in the future in regards to their drinking. I'll let them share their story, but suffice to say that they lost a little bit of weight and some people have been noticing they look pretty damn good as well, which is incredible. Just a couple of things. I'm actually in Bali, Indonesia at the moment as I'm recording this. I've decided to experiment a little bit with running a sponsorship of this show. The sponsor of the show or the sponsors of the show are actually my own businesses, my own companies. You probably listen to other podcasts and they say, oh, before we get into the show, I want to thank our sponsor and then they go into a big spiel. I'm going to do something similar, try it out, see whether it resonates with you and give me some feedback whether you want to hear this ongoing or not. I will only talk about products that I use and that I feel will serve you. Today's episode is sponsored by my new supplements company, which is called Swan Vitality. You can check it out at swanvitality.com. I have a product called Loving Liver, which is designed to help your body process or clean up your liver, which has probably had a lot of damage if you're a regular drinker. We've got a green supplement there and a magnesium, which helps you to fall asleep at night, helps you relax. There you go. That wasn't a perfectly scripted advertisement, was it? 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If journaling is something that you'd like to explore, or you already know the benefits of it, go to positiveshiftjournal.com and grab yourself a journal. There you go. That was it. That's my sponsorship. It wasn't particularly polished, but let's see. Let's get into it, shall we? This is Robert and Roxanna Sosa celebrating 91 and 92 days alcohol-free. Here we go. Hello again. I am James Swanik, and welcome to another episode of the Alcohol-Free Lifestyle podcast. Today, we're talking to husband and wife team, Robert and Roxanna Sosa, who are attorneys in San Antonio, Texas. Robert is 91 days alcohol-free as we're recording this, and Roxanna is 92 days alcohol-free as we're recording this. First of all, Robert and Roxanna, congratulations. How are you guys feeling on days 92 and 91 alcohol-free? Feeling great. Really good. Come on, let's be a little bit more amazing. How's that? Amazing. Tell us a little bit about you guys. You guys are in San Antonio, Texas, your attorneys. Just tell us a little bit about your life and what was going on with your drinking habits before you embarked on an alcohol-free journey. We met in law school. We've been together for 30 years now, and the pandemic really closed us into a pretty tight space for a while, long while, as it did most everybody else. And during that time, we started paying a lot more attention to our lifestyle, our habits, and felt that becoming alcohol-free was something we needed to do for our health. And as we take care of our parents, we realized, look, we're going to be there someday soon. We want to make some investments now in our health so that when we get to that age, we can be the best that we can be at that point in time. So what made you feel like your health was being compromised to the point where you felt like you needed to take action in regards to alcohol? For me, it was an inability to lose weight even though I was exercising on a regular basis as I looked at my diet. It was not being able to on days that I drank, get up early in the morning the way I would like to with enthusiasm. And I was really concerned about my health as I got older. My parent, my father is having some health issues right now, and I really focused me in on what I could do at this phase of my life to be healthier when I'm older. And Roxanna, what what did you identify that was going on with your health that made you want to embark on at least 90 days alcohol-free? Well, I wanted to be more healthy. I think one of the things I love is that it's a lifestyle change. I want to be, I want to eat better. And I want to, and part of that is cutting out some sugars and alcohol has a lot of sugars. My mom was diabetic and I don't want to go down that same route. So it was really important for both of us to do this together. We support each other. So this has been a great journey for both of us. Yeah, I want to ask you about that in a second, being a couple husband and wife team doing it together. Because a lot of clients or people who are curious about doing this alcohol-free journey don't feel supported by their partner. Because sometimes their partner wants to keep drinking and the other one doesn't. We'll get to that in a second. What were you both drinking? Was it wine, red wine, white wine, vodka, beer? What were your drinking habits? Red wine. Yeah, I would have cocktails as well. So I'd usually have a cocktail before dinner and then I'd drink wine with dinner. Yeah. So was it a couple glasses of red wine each night? Were you guys sharing a bottle, bottle and a half, half a bottle? What was your consumption like at the time? Well, a bottle easily sometimes would open up another one, but certainly would drink a bottle a night together. Yeah. Yeah. And that's pretty societally acceptable, right? Like I remember when I was drinking, I would drink almost a bottle of wine most weeknights if I was staying in. I remember watching reruns of the TV series at the Westwing on NBC or something back in the mid 2000s. And I would buy, I would open a bottle of two buck chuck, which is like Charles Shaw, which is like two dollar bottle of wine. And most nights that I was watching that TV show, I'd knock off three quarters of a bottle. I never really got drunk or tipsy. I was just, you know, just pacing myself. And that wasn't really a big deal. Like no one would ever say, oh, wow, you got a drinking problem. It was just, I think it's what most, you know, many people, let's say, probably share a bottle or a bottle in a bit per night. Would you say that's pretty normal? Well, you know, it's interesting since since we've been doing this, I look at TV and I'm amazed that every time I look at TV, somebody has a glass of wine in their hands or they're going out for drinks after work on the show. And it's, it's so prevalent everywhere. It's, it was eye opening to me. You know, I think that when we get together with others and you're in a kind of social setting, you tend to lose track about how much you're drinking. And so I don't know if, you know, a bottle or a little bit more is, you know, what is normally consumed. I think that when we're in that kind of setting with other people and you kind of lose track, I'm sure that we consume more than a bottle when, when you look at it in that, in that way. So one of the things about the program that I really liked was it armed us to be able to be in those settings and, and say, no, you know, I'm not drinking, I'll have some water, I'll have something else, a mocktail maybe. And so it was really helpful for me to at least be armed and ready for those settings because those are the settings that really make it more difficult for you to abstain from alcohol when you're with other people. And so it was those, that knowledge, those skills that we learned, visiting with others that I think were most helpful to me. And because there is a pressure to, to consume alcohol when you're with others, especially in a, in a social setting. And, you know, we have a lot of friends who, who enjoy drinking. We were at dinner just this weekend with friends we hadn't seen since the pandemic began and they are loved to drink and are connoisseurs of all sorts of wines and spirits and food. And so they were very surprised, one, that we, you know, weren't, weren't drinking with them. But two, they, they were surprised by how, you know, we looked, we, we looked different to them. Couldn't quite put their finger on it, but we knew what it was. Well, and just to, to, to touch on what Robert was saying about social events, I remember going to events with him where you have a glass of wine and you haven't ever finished it and somebody's coming and pouring more into your glass before you even finished it. And so I don't know how you're able to keep track of that because they keep coming. And then I, I just, it's scary when you think about it. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a bottomless glass, isn't it? Someone just pouring it up. When you said that they noticed there was something different, what, what did they say? Like, what, what, what did they say that they noticed? Well, they asked if I'd lost weight and, and just couldn't put their quite, quite put their finger on it. But, you know, I feel like, I feel like my face has shrunk a little bit. So, and I have lost weight, but, but I have, I don't think the weight has been traumatic, but it's interesting even in the office when I've gone in after not being there for a while, people are noticing some change. And again, they can't really put their finger on it. So they always just ask if I've lost a lot of weight. Yeah. Well, it's, it's a very common experience that people have when they go a few months without alcohol. What actually happens or tends to happen is that the toxins that have been living on your skin have been removed. And so think about it. If you're a consistent drinker, you're walking around carrying those toxins in your skin and your body's largest organ is your skin. And when you, when you drink, when you drink alcohol, it dehydrates your, your body's largest organ, your skin. And so your skin is kind of looks a little bit more weathered, let's say, a little bit dry. In fact, there was a study out of the UK some years ago that, that said that people who didn't drink had 30% less visible signs of wrinkles and crow's feet around, around their eyes compared to those who did drink. Combination of a toxins in the skin, dehydrated skin and then also compromised sleep. Because even if you're, even if you sleep seven or eight hours after a couple drinks, the quality of that sleep is still compromised because your body's trying to break down the toxins from the, from the alcohol. So it's actually working. It's not getting into that deep restorative phase. So I'm not surprised that people express surprise at how good you both looked because that's a very common, common thing. Roxanna, I think you said someone who, who you hadn't seen in a few months commented on your appearance also, correct? Yes. So we get our house pest controlled every three months. And I guess she must have come right when we were about to start or had Jess started. And she was just here not too long ago and she asked me, you've lost weight. And I said, well, I can't tell because you see yourself every day. So I'm like, well, I guess. And she said, no, you look younger. You look, she goes, what are you doing? You look, you look younger than you have. And, and, and it came to our realization at that it's been that three months that I've been off this program. I mean, I've been on this program that it's been the three months. So that made me feel very good because I haven't really seen a lot of people because of this pandemic. And so for her to say that made me feel very, very good. Just for context for the listeners, well, Robin and Roxanna just completed our project 90 experience, which is 90 days alcohol free with our coaches and our community and some accountability and some fun. I hope you found it fun at times as well. Yeah. And so anyone else notice anything? Any family members notice anything or compliment you on the fact that you were doing this or make fun of you for doing this or lament the fact that you're doing this? I don't know if they make fun of us. They were questioning why we were. It's real interesting. I think society just expects everybody to drink. And so when you don't drink, people look at you kind of like, what's wrong? And why aren't you? And, and I have told people that it's because I choose not to drink. They were like, Oh, no, you can't drink right now because you're in your 90 days. And I said, No, I choose not to drink. I'm choosing this. This is not I can drink if I want to, but I'm choosing not to do it. So for myself, you know, this is, this is making my lifestyle better, making me more energetic. You know, life is finite. So I want to enjoy it while I have it. I think people in our family circle are asking, you know, what's going to happen after 90 days? Let's go party after 90 days. So let's celebrate going out. And, and I guess, you know, the message to them is, look, this is part of trying to be intentional about, about what we consume, about how we feel our mental state. It's it there is a point in time when a habit like drinking takes over and it's not intentional. It's not volitional anymore. It's just something that you do. And so it was it was a break with that habit that frame of mind that I think was most helpful, that ability to to be intentional about what what we consume and how we feel. Well, and I think it's like what you said early on when so we know what it's like to drink. We wanted to see what it was like not to drink. And I actually I like not drinking much better than I liked. But I wouldn't have known that had I not done this. And Robin, I agree. I think that that my ability to think for longer periods of time and my health, I really think I'm probably in the best shape I've ever been in my life. And it didn't realize how important diet is. Exercise isn't enough. And I mean, I exercised every single day before I got on this program. And so it wasn't that this program made me exercise more. It just added to what I was already doing in a way that really helped me get in much better shape cardiovascularly and strength wise and and the the percentage of body fat has dropped considerably. So not only made me pay more attention to what I was drinking, but also what I was eating. So once you start thinking about what you consume, it starts your focus starts expanding into other areas of what you consume, you become a lot more intentional. Which one of you was encouraging the other to participate in Project 90 and do the coaching with me and with our team? Which one of you was like, Hey, I think we should do this. Who was the first one on board? Well, it was interesting. It was like ping pong. So one of us would would be pushing the other and then and then when when the other lost enthusiasm, the other one would would pick pick pick it back up again. Roxanna, I think I was probably a little bit more with the idea of doing something like this together initially. But once we got started, Roxanna was a lot more involved. She participated a lot more in the the calls than I did, but encouraged me and I attended everyone I attended. I attended with her and then she would come back and keep me up to date on people and stories. And so I think that once we got in the program, Roxanna was certainly much more of a leader for us than I was. So do you think that if you had gone through it yourself, Robert, is there a part of you that thinks maybe you wouldn't have made it like you maybe you would have drunk at some point during the 90 days? And so you feel like you couldn't have done it without Roxanna or do you feel like you could have done it? I really don't think I could have done it without her. I really don't think that I could have. I think that for both of us to go into a setting, a social setting, it just I needed that support. I needed someone else to be with me on that journey. And so it helped me a lot. We went through two graduations during this 90 days of two of our children and birthdays. So we had a lot of gatherings and celebrations where everybody was drinking and champagne and celebration. Alcohol tends to be something that is part of those kinds of celebrations. And so it was we probably picked not the best, but maybe the best time to do this because put us through a trial by fire, if you will. Yeah. And Roxanna, did you feel that you needed Robert in order to accomplish this? Or do you feel like you could have done it on your own? Well, he actually, he's the one that got us started in this and I'm grateful for that. Could I have done it on my own? I think I probably could have, but it would have been more difficult. It really was a great help for him to be involved in this. And I guess I see it as a journey in our relationship. This is another journey, that step that we've taken and I'm glad we did it together. I think it's made us stronger because we cleared this hurdle together. So when you say you feel like it's made you stronger because you've cleared this hurdle together, was there some kind of irritation or was there something missing in your relationship before you did this and that now that's been resolved or has it actually heightened the connection or has it cleared up any leaky energy? Like how has the relationship changed? I can honestly say that really, when we were talking about when did we drink, I didn't really drink for, because I was anxious, I drank more to celebrate or some accomplishment or you know, even if I just mowed the yard because we have a big yard, I would have a beer. But it was more, we got along really well with everyone when we drank. But I think that what it has done is I can have fun, it's like when I can have fun without drinking with him. And I guess I didn't really realize that until we stopped. And it's like when we used to take trips with our kids, we'd always have our kids with us. We have four children and we'd always have our children with us. And one time, I guess on our 25th anniversary, we went to Europe without them. And I was really worried because we'd never really been alone that long, you know, for two weeks together by ourselves. And so I was a little bit concerned. And then we got back and we had a great time on this trip. And we got back and I told my kids, I don't need y'all to come with us anymore. We have a great time together. We don't need y'all. And they were just like, and it's kind of the same thing. We don't need alcohol to have fun. We have fun together. So that's been really enlightening and very and it's made me very happy to know that. The biggest improvement in our relationship has been that we wake up super early in the morning. We get so much more done. I mean, it also means we get to bed a lot sooner. So I have to turn off my phone because people now think they can still talk to me at 10 o'clock at night. Well, at 10 o'clock at night, I'm pretty much asleep now. So our our day has changed. We're up by five, five thirty in the morning. It gives us more time to talk and connect and look at our calendars and plan. And and so that's been a really big a really big help. For the benefit of our listeners who may be not quite sure what Project 90 is, could you just maybe just matter of fact, we just explain what what your perception of it is now that you've gone through that. You don't need to talk it up and say how wonderful it is. I already know how wonderful it is. But maybe just matter of fact, we just tell our listener, you know, what happens when you when you go through this experience with us? The sharing that occurs when you get together on the calls and learn that that many of the things that you feel, many of the assumptions that you've made about about drinking are shared or there's a commonality here that helps you identify, that helps you learn more about about yourself, about this societal pressure to drink, how it becomes a habit and how the habit can grow. Basically it is a progressive habit that gets that can get worse and gets worse for some people. And I think there are times in my life where it's gotten worse for me that there are times where I used it as a crutch that was not helpful, not positive. And hearing the stories that people tell about, you know, the good things that alcohol brought for them in some parts of their lives as they look back and can look back on it, but you know, or at least they think back on it and think those were good times. And then how they get to the point where they feel like I need to change this and the challenges that they face and the way they face the challenges and the temptations, it may be different than the way I do, but it's helpful to learn from their experiences. It does provide context for the journey, for the struggle to to become intentional about about what you consume. Roxanna, how would you describe the, you know, what? I can honestly say that when he first told me about it, it was very apprehensive. I'm sure you remember, I don't know if I spoke with you, I know I spoke with Victoria and she was, she even tells me that I was, I was so short in my answers to her questions. I was very, not short in an ugly way, but just not wanting to speak a lot about what was going on or just talk about it. But I have to say that I made a point since we agreed to do this, that I was going to make a commitment to it. And so I tried to participate in as many calls as I possibly could. And I thought they were very beneficial. It's nice to know you're not alone. And a lot of times I think I felt I was alone in this, in this drinking pattern that I was in, that I was the only one in it. And not that I want other people to be in it, but it's, but we buttressed each other. We helped each other in these calls. And, and, and it was nice to have people from all over, all over in these calls. And we, I, you know, and I can name you the people that were willing to work with me and I and the people saying people that came on and I would see them and I saw their journey and I hope I can continue seeing their journey because it's, it's so wonderful to see the change and, and recognize that change. And so I'm really glad that I participated. I am going to miss those calls. I'm not going to lie. But they were, they were, they were wonderful. You were apprehensive about joining and you had also expressed to me you were a little apprehensive about doing this interview as well, weren't you? Why do you think, why do you think you feel you felt that apprehension at the beginning and why do you feel that you feel that apprehension now about, you know, sharing the story, I guess, publicly? You know, I think there is a kind of a shame that is associated with recognizing that you want to change something in your life. Because if you want to change something, then it must mean you've got a problem. That means you must, you must have something wrong with you. You must have something that needs fixing. And so it's that, it's that almost admission that you're making by needing a program and getting on a program and staying on a program. And then, and then afterwards talking about why you needed to get on a program. And so it was certainly that was my thinking before I began the program. And then, and then it dawns on you, I think it did, it did me at least that that this is something that becomes a habit. And it's a habit that is not easy to break. Most habits are not easy to break. But this one in particular, because it comes with societal pressures, it comes with pressures that, that really you've created in your own environment by the people that you've hung out with and what you did with them when you were with them. So it's, you know, you're changing not just yourself, but you're changing your environment when you make this decision. And you need help. You need tools to be able to do that. Because when your environment is pushing you to do, you know, to drink, even if you yourself have made a decision that you're going to be more intentional about what you're going to consume and that you're not going to drink anymore. You know, that may not be enough. You need some grounding. You need some support to be able to withstand the push that you're going to be facing from those people that you that you love that you want to still be with, but be within a different way. And rock center, do you feel apprehensive about putting yourself out there and sharing that you know, you know, I did James, you know, I did. Yeah, I did. And I'm still very apprehensive about this because I don't do social media. And so that was, I don't do any of that stuff. And so it was very difficult until you asked Robert and Robert said, you know, his confidence in his, when he told you, yes, I'll do it right away, when he said right away to you, I'll do it. And his confidence and his surety in himself, it kind of spilled over to me. And I thought, you know what, you're right, we have nothing to be ashamed of. We've, we have done something that's really great. And I hope to continue doing it. And, and I know that a lot of people on the call that the calls that I've been on, asked, what am I going to do after 90 days? And I said, well, I don't know. I said, I what I do know is I'm going to try and live in the presence. I don't can't change what I've done in the past. I can't change it no matter how much I would love to. And I don't know what the future holds. All I know is what today holds. And this is what I'm going to work on. And just like he's talking about intent being intentional, I'm going to be trying to be intentional in this present time. And that's all I can do. Yeah, well said. And I get your resistance to putting yourself out there because isn't it interesting that someone choosing to live a healthier life by declining alcohol or by saying no to alcohol and just, you know, living an alcohol free life? Isn't it interesting that we feel apprehensive about sharing that? Because society has normalized the drinking culture just so much to the point where you, Robert and you, Roxanna are kind of, oh, I'm not sure I really want to talk about this publicly. Because Robert talked about there's the shame. And then, you know, Roxanna, you're talking about, you don't do social media. And it's like putting your name out there and saying, hey, I actually am living an alcohol free lifestyle at the moment. That feels kind of awkward. Doesn't it? I get it. It does. Yeah. Yeah. I can see it. I can see it in your body. You're like, this is awkward. I know that in some of our calls, it's really interesting when we were talking about it. It's almost as if you're more ashamed that you're not drinking than you are drinking. I mean, and some of the things that we would say, I would think to myself, why is that the norm? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. Some of the things we would say, it's like, it's not normal to drink, but yet it's considered normal. So, you know, it's like when you go to a restaurant and you ask for a mocktail and they look at you kind of like, what? Like, you know, no alcohol and they're like, somehow you're this anomaly that's all of a sudden come into their establishment and they're not quite sure what to do with you. I had one of my sons graduated from college in New Orleans and I went into a bar with him and I ordered a non-alcoholic beer. They had a non-alcoholic beer. The bartender kicked me out of the bar just for asking for a non-alcoholic beer. He was so offended. Well, all of the statistics and all the studies show that this is changing. Like, there is a tidal wave of change that is happening around people's perception of alcohol in their life and alcohol's place in their lives. So, both of you represent a very small percentage of the population who will ever do 90 consecutive days alcohol-free and will ever look at this. But that small percentage is getting bigger. It's getting larger. So, I so acknowledge both of you for your commitment, your health and to your family and to your lives for embarking upon this. So, I want to be clear too to the podcast listener. It's not a requirement that once you go through the 90 days that you subject yourself to being interviewed on the podcast by me. I simply invite graduating members to be interviewed by me on the podcast and if people are perfectly free to politely decline and that's absolutely no problem. There's no pressure. I just simply invite them and folks either say yes or they say, no, I don't know. And then they say yes or it's a very firm no. What I did share with both of you before you both agreed to do this interview was that I felt that you sharing your story as a husband and wife team would inspire husband and wife teams out there who might be listening. It might inspire the husband or might inspire the wife. Maybe even if they're not married, maybe it's just a romantic relationship and partners. You might be a woman or a man right now listening to this and going, you know, I want to do this and I feel like I need to do it with the support of my partner. And if that is you, have them listen to this episode. Have them listen to Robert and Roxanna talk about their experience and then reach out to us if this is something that you want to do. What would you guys say to someone who maybe doesn't feel like they have the support of their partner and would like it? Is there any advice you might offer to them? Well, I think having the discussion, there was a lot of talking before we jumped into the program and we talked about what we wanted to accomplish, what we thought might be obstacles to what we wanted to do. And I think that in that way we encouraged each other and we talked about what we wanted to do. And then we went looking for how we're going to do it. And so that's when I ran into your podcast and I learned a little bit more about the different support groups that are out there. And then we started talking about it. And so it was a process. And then once we jumped into the program, it was nice to be able to sit down and share what we were feeling or the challenges we had that day or what happened when we were in a social setting and didn't drink. And to have someone to share that with really helps a lot. It helps in the process, but it also helps in the growth that occurs as you're going through that program. But I would say you can do it. You can still do it by yourself if you want. And I think once you get past maybe even a week or two, it's amazing how quickly the time goes by. Before I knew it, we were in 80 days and I didn't know how we got there because it went by so fast. It goes slowly in the beginning and then all of a sudden, boom, you're done. And so I think it can be done. It may be a little bit more difficult, but the wonderful thing is you have a support group out there. You have those calls you can get on. If you need to talk to somebody, you can reach out to any of the individuals or everybody seems very open to talking. So you're not alone. Even if you may do the journey alone, you're not alone. Did either of you or both of you discuss doing an alternative program, whether it be something like AA or a church group or outpatient or inpatient or just holding each other accountable or just making a declaration? What were some of the alternative things that you were discussing before you decided on doing Project 90? Well, we read a number of books. There's a 30-day sobriety book that's pretty good. And so we were reading that and talking about the, it was like you had a chapter a day for the 30 days that the book took you through. And then I was researching on the internet, which is kind of how I ran into your program and thought that something a little more immersive than just reading a chapter in a book would be helpful. Because we really wanted to make the investment of time and effort and felt that with some support it would be more successful. And I'll be honest. What really sold me on this was the whole lifestyle change. Because to me, you can cut out alcohol and still eat horribly and be, I mean, not exercising and you're not doing anything to help your lifestyle change. And I really like the fact that it didn't focus just on alcohol. It's focused on your whole lifestyle, your mindset. And that was very important to me because it is a lifestyle change, but it's a lifestyle for all of your entire, your mind, your body and your spirit. So, and I think somebody said that on one of the, in the meetings, it's your mind, body and spirit. And I truly believe that. Wonderful. Well, Robert and Roxanna, congratulations again. And thank you for sharing your journey with us and with our listeners here today. Just a final question. Roxanna, you kind of touched on how you're viewing the future, that being a day at a time. But let me pose the question to Robert because I know, Robert, you'd expressed a little bit of uncertainty as to whether this is going to be a lifelong thing. Do you want to just share a little bit about what you're thinking about the place alcohol has in your life in the coming months and the coming years? You know, I'm in the second half of, well into the second half of my career and my life. And so I'm at the point in time when I'm thinking, all right, what am I going to do with the next 10 or 15 years of my life? And what do I want to focus on? And one of the things that I believe and still believe is that alcohol was an impediment to my being the best person that I could be and being the kind of person that would achieve the kinds of things I want to achieve in this probably last third of my career. And so I think that having overcome this habit has now focused me on other habits that I want to, I know I can change now. I can now identify habits of behavior that may be impediments to my wanting to achieve the success that I want to achieve in the different areas that I've now identified and been very intentional about. And so it has given me some strength that I'm carrying to other areas. Now, does that mean I won't ever drink again? You know, I don't know at this point in time. I know that it's going to be there, that the temptation to drink is going to be there, that the side of pressures to drink are going to be there. But I also know how I feel when I don't drink. I also know that I have got I'm borrowing happiness when I drink. I'm borrowing happiness from tomorrow, you know. So, you know, I guess at some point if I intentionally decide I'm going to borrow some happiness from tomorrow morning, I guess I can make that decision. But that's different than taking a drink without thinking about it. You know, it's different than the mindset I had before this program. It was, I wasn't thinking about tomorrow morning. I wasn't thinking about how much I was going to weigh, how I was going to feel, what it was going to do to my mental state in the morning. It just wasn't a thought that occurred to me. Now it is. I think that that will in the future mean I will, if I drink, will drink much less. But at this point in time, I've got no immediate plans to begin drinking anytime soon. My plans are to use the muscles I've grown in this program to just try to meet other challenges that I have in my life. Wonderful. Robert and Roxanna, attorneys from San Antonio, Texas on days 92 and 91. Congratulations again and thank you so much again for sharing your experience and your journey and wishing you both continued great health into the future. Thanks, James. Thanks for listening to the Alcohol Free Lifestyle podcast. I want to load you up with some free stuff right now. So if you want to go to JamesSwanick.com slash guide, I will send you my quit alcohol guide, which has helped six figure entrepreneurs and top professionals produce or quit drinking. You can also text the word quit guide to the number 44222 if you're in the US, of course, it doesn't really work anywhere outside of the US. 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