 Did you all have a paper in front of you now for some other group, who has this paper okay. So any comments on this, background world, bold okay because it is the title of the thing because it is the title of the slide it should be bold and it should be in the center okay anything else the bullets okay I am not getting it actually font size should be smaller okay anybody else has to add to what he pointed out by the way which group is this who did that okay okay any comments on what he said you did not use a center alignment for the title because that was the theme which was allowing you the left alignment okay anything else because sometimes the title may be long and it may not fit into the thing so left aligned is one way of doing it but obviously for some slides which are low on text then you feel that it is all in one quadrant of the entire slide and you do not feel that balance is achieved right so I think that is what he was trying to communicate from that there is no balance in the slide that is why it is looking tilted towards one side right but I had one more observation maybe I do not know how many people pointed it out this you talk about existing systems in the slide okay so it is given half baked condition okay fine so there is no completes completion is not happening okay but ideally what will you do then he will enlarge these short forms and tell us what it is about right okay great okay anybody had this slide from the same presentation right who had this one okay any comments bullets are same okay okay some topic are bold and main topic is not bold no so these are sub bullets so self-organized adaptive and level of supervision are the three the main heading is not bold but sub bullets are bold okay what's your take on that template was like that probably their answer is right so it brings to an important point that templates are good but it should also be suitable for the content you are trying to communicate so template should not ride your decision but you should override decisions what you want to communicate that is one secondly this is slightly off the shelf point but still I wanted to mark it here is that whenever you present some data you have to have references for that so something like this which is important now 4% is a percentage in the pie about something is the important data and that's why you will be driving your entire presentation after that now on that 4% right you are showing at no no you will be going from the but anyway these percentages took from somewhere right you didn't generate it yourself right so when you took it from somewhere you have to acknowledge immediately because for two reasons one is for copyright and second is to give authenticity to your slide that it's not something of the cuff remark you are saying that okay 52% practice and really the important so it's not your comment but it's somebody else's research comment that helps okay who had this slide who has this slide right now table minus slide who has this slide okay comments any comments looks nice okay looks nice is the comment anyway anybody can find a problem in this slide too much text is the thing how many people agree too much text some agree okay any other problem pardon me I am not getting who is it speaking can raise a hand and I can see there the font is very small okay then there are some typos like there is no space between manners and continued bracket and but the one important point is if you read all the comments written here in the slide most of them are about some action or something to be done and this is very difficult to analyze using just text so put your napkin in your lap now when you revisit restaurants you have seen so many people using that napkin in so many different ways even if it is put on their lap so how you tell them that if this is the best table manner that put your napkin in this way on your lap then the text is not enough because you cannot imagine what is that ideal way that author is trying to tell you similarly a used spoon is left in a large soup plate or on the plate under the soup bowl now left or right is not written or under the soup bowl or under the plate so how do you place it so this kind of things are very visual in nature immediately you demand a visual for that by the way who is the which is the group did that table manners okay yeah so there is a pointer for you on that in fact I saw a couple of images later on about ideal table conditions and all that and I agree to the point that you may not have images for all these situations like how to place napkin on your lap you do not have a photograph of that and what will you do it but as a assignment part right now when you are submitting you can at least submit the ideal situation the way you can reproduce it so you can give a image you can just give a black box and saying that image of napkin placement will come here it's enough for me to understand that you have understood the visual communication aspect so it's nothing about whether you can draw paint or photograph or something this one this is from the same group who has this page any comments I think some of the comments are repeated already so too much text you can ignore that text is not justified okay yeah that is that is one very interesting comment so how many people prefer justified text in a presentation versus justified text in a printed matter right so how many people for justified text in presentation small points okay so you should have crisper and smaller sentences and no you said something so if that sentence is written in a proper manner it's small enough then you don't require actually justification at all and obviously because you have left aligned as the alignment decided in this presentation then we will not go for justification also justification is done mostly because of the columns if you remember you write this technical papers and they will be always in two columns most of the time because of demarcation of this area justification has come into being so that's where it is used the best because if you have two columns then ideally you should have justified okay huh who had this slide okay comments on this is the last right and this is this is a very this is only a representative picture nothing seriously commenting about it but I have seen this kind of a picture at the end of most of the presentation so I just wanted to know your views on this okay comments first we'll get the group who has the paper in hand is a picture is it's not centered okay fine anything else slightly more from a bird's bird's point of view huh too much informal yes that is a very valid point so you are talking about table manners and then you give a picture of I don't know whether it is ideal table manners or a spoof of table manners or so why this picture is there so is there a motivation behind this picture the group who did that okay so so the point was when you when you finish a presentation on table manners and finally you show this picture what will people carry back so you would like to leave them with something which will which will emphasize the entire presentation right so this is how so according to the type of visuals what type of visual was that so if you remember last time's presentation is it decorative just used for fun purpose right okay should have shown a implicate if if the exactly so this can be a good opening picture to say the should emphasize the problem itself that why you need table manners otherwise you will have these situations very often huh myths who has this picture right now who has this paper okay you have no but took it so if you can comment on it what so this is about popular myths or something like that right the title which is the group myths group okay so yeah you comment on that you didn't understand the what did you and the image you can see right it's a cat and what is the title of that right you didn't and you are confused okay even I was confused by the way so anyway tell me so I had three pictures in a row right cat crossing the road I understood that then having a black cat as a pet was some second picture and third picture was confused black cat so I didn't understand what was that is it a myth I am not aware of this myth at least okay tell me more about it yeah it's from the cat's point of view that you are trying to explain the myth is it okay how many people buy this argument yeah okay you buy this argument because okay but if I get it right so you are presenting popular myths right and then you give an example of how cat is a symbol or maybe a element of popular myths and you show some examples of cat crossing but then you show confused black cat so so don't you think the audience will get confused rather than the cat getting confused anyway so that was one but there is another one okay medical myths who has this paper right now somebody had okay comments too much text too many bullets okay okay the the size of the tech font there is no difference between the title and the bullet so almost all same okay anything else first first alphabet is not capitalized right okay English problem anything else anybody else wants to add to what is the problem in this slide then I'll give it sentences should be a bit smaller okay right and okay the group can you can you answer some counter points for this I am I am giving observation from a different perspective we all these things are already included in that but one more thing is that when you are presenting about myths as the title of the thing so you are actually addressing very very popular myths and everybody agrees when they see that oh is it a myth I am not sure whether they're actually eating carrots will improve I said so it's a popular myth coming along for lot many years so when I hear this kind of myths sentences and I'm told that this is a myth the next thing I want to know that what is reality then right so if if this is presented as myth versus reality then it will have more impact on the audience that you you really blast their myths that okay one you put this sentence that wait 30 minutes after eating before you swim is a myth then what's the reality so that will balance the whole thing rather than talking about myths alone that was one of the point do you agree with this okay who has this slide right now anybody okay any comment this is about brain drain I suppose which is the group which did that yeah okay so let's hear from them first of all what are their problems okay go on pardon me text is okay yeah that English problem is there they too many big paragraph in between that is now let's let's try to go over these two comments all the time so every slide I'm getting these two comments definitely anything else three different paragraphs but they wanted three different bullets right these are three different bullets serious issue is no return on subsidized education I think they wanted to complete that but there are no time for that but then there is some other point and there is last it's something negligible return on investment okay the gap between the title edge and the title plus the bullets is uneven which is causing a problem okay okay what is nearer to each other so that's actually called a principle of proximity so things which are nearer to each other will be considered as a group so whenever you put things nearer to each other that I always will be having a problem and this comes especially when you put in pictures or something so you put a title to that and press enter and there is a same difference distance between picture and the title in a row so you don't know whether this title applies to this picture or the picture below so that's a proximity issue always but I had one more thing is so it's something negligible return for investment made by the country so such kind of statements you need to substantiate it with some figures or some references so that will make more impact so the people will buy this argument yes it is correct but is it your comment or your observation or it's validated by something else yeah because I would like it to get home but when when people who are in the position of authority look at these kind of things why take liberties with my time why waste my time so to get to cross your teeth and got your eyes and put everything in a nice way put some audience that look he respects what she respects us respects us enough to take cognizance of it yeah and the same note actually this one this one gets on the same thing is it who did that who has the paper right now how you have the paper what's comment yes okay yeah yeah so they had a slide of pro before this slide so okay because of okay okay so the pence is has to be that this happens after you use it right that type of pen okay any did anybody spot major contradictory feature in the slide itself okay that is about about the bag yeah any what is the problem about background and color very dark that's okay okay so just to give you a tip the rule says that when you have a dim lit hall then typically you can use dark background with white text and when you have a brightly lit hall then you use white background and black text that's just a tip because the thing came out want a bit small probably I'm not zooming in in this should be like this so probably should be okay but can you spot a contradiction so let's not waste any more time on the contradiction is that the con says that forget formal language and grammar and they type with the T small and the continued use in some very different way so the contradiction itself in the presentation so what sir was just now pointing out so when I see this kind of thing and you will be very very aggressively putting this point forward then people will see that not happening in your own slides that's something you have to be sure about by the which group was this have you taken note of that I will skip couple of yeah this one I just just read the the second sentence okay just read the second sentence oh sorry here you just read the second sentence can you read it in one go it's tough right it's really tough and paraphrase it paraphrasing will be helping and okay if you want to use definition of hate or for some reason which is already published then the easier part is that put it into quotes and give a reference that's perfectly alright but you cannot put it as a bullet point written by me that's not possible so that was the comment okay no copy paste from your own file is not considered as a plagiarism but no the gap I'm just talking about the the length of the sentence was so much and we could see that it was it was not written in that fashion so it was supposed to be of different point to be made so if it was presented as a quote by somebody could have been easier right okay this one one I'll just take this who did this by the way which group did this campus okay use crazy right okay great but what is the problem with this design who has the paper right now you have been right okay what's the problem with this design alignment of bullets so so this one but this is a sub bullet right okay that's why it is indented what's the problem it's a same level bullet point it's a same bullet I didn't get what you said so okay I have observation before you have any comments on this pardon me face of the space is not exactly that was the point that while you choosing a template because it's already a square rectangle thing what you get in a presentation you are limiting with a circle now anything goes beyond this area will be very difficult to read because it will have this circle line in between coming and then you are forced to put it inside which will reduce the font size further so there's no point in putting it unless and until you are like talking about something circle of life or something like that apart from that you don't have to use right so just indentation is not because so that was that was their observation probably which they could not communicate it in the way they wanted to say but they were trying to say that the bullets are going in a curvature mode just because they have to follow the circle yeah this one this one I had addressed last time but I did not see anybody following this what was the problem here yeah too much alpha too much numbers yeah it could have been represented in a histogram or pie chart also anything else on this what is not there source is not submitted maybe yeah not anything else source is mentioned yes so that's why I ignored that point and but what I what should the viewers look at out of all these so many numbers if there is something you can just highlight one so suppose it is about India you are talking about then just highlight that particular strip and I will ignore the rest or if I want I can compare it but giving me all these figures I don't know how many 15 multiplied by 4 so all 60 figures I am not able to look at it at a one go and then understand what you are trying to see yeah this is also very interesting thing we'll take this last and then we'll move ahead because we have to go with the impressed part today anybody has this paper now font size okay let's ignore font size and number of words these two are gone now move ahead it's imbalanced one line is like cow dung and river is compared together so it should it should be presented in that way okay but do you find repetitiveness here there yeah one place it is capital one place it is small but if they had to say that cow dung and river are two major resources where cow dung gives you manures and bio gas and river gives you irrigation and power if that is the sentence you want to say why do you have to write this so many times you can just have a slide with two two blocks of text one about cow dung and explain cow dung one about river and this sentence actually has to be said by person you need not write there that cow dung and river are two major resources so this is something the script was supposed to be why I took this time to show these images is because I was very much seriously rethinking about the past lectures what happened well I could not see reflection of those in these slides at least I am not sure about other slide because I saw some of them somewhere so why I wanted to show you that is people have taken efforts in the thought process definitely in some way but as you see there were some lapses on the thought process also where people have not given enough thought in terms of explaining that but there were also issues regarding the visual communication part the grammar part the text part and I was expecting after so much of assignments from Prakash Vaidya and others to get the English thing right it's becoming still it is recurring into the assignments what we see so that was the reason I just thought of stopping over for some time and at least showing a mirror to you all to see where you are right now going ahead with so that was the reason so I hope you get the point and let's just okay so this is what we did now find and fix the problems we did this and so I hope all the groups have taken notes of the comments discussed here and you know what changes are expected from that but going ahead with the impress part so we had seen the execute part and we had seen the plan part we were we are now at the point where you want to discuss the impress part that after you are done with that so I saw some presentations in bare black and white right now which is fine and some presentations have went ahead and selected a theme or a template and try to give the text in that but within that I just thought of touch basing two issues today one is about color schemes and one is about typography because I feel these are one of the glaring problems so tell me in color in terms of color which color suits this world and why gray okay somebody said gray why for the background it's a good match okay why not black so maybe the reason I can add to it is like military has to camouflage with that or something no okay any other color green why green that's the color of army okay okay which which color suits this word then the colors are same I'm changing the word blue blue for soft okay hold on to that any reason for that blue is a cool color probably anybody has a reason for soft being blue any light color would be better than this okay hold on to that colors are same the word is again changed now blue for space black okay because it signifies darkness space okay which color gray because it's neutral okay the point of all this thing is because and you you said this keyword somewhere that it has to do with the expression of that it has to do with the mood of the thing and color always carries a mood and color always carries the expression color has some convention so somebody said space means dark and space means dark blue or red means danger or so these are conventions associated with colors so especially while using colors in your presentation be sure about all these meanings what are associated with the color and most of the time if it is chosen in a wrong way then it signifies something else and I have seen most of the time red as a highlight color being used like emphasize the point and use a red with that but if the word is not meant to be that then that red will have a jarring effect on your eyes for the you for the people who are attending your presentation so color with that meaning will be an important thing which will go hand in hand and that's why you have to use color very very with a very precise choice of things so it cannot be just off the cuff because what your palette was available I just clicked on one color and that's it I wanted some color to happen there so that should not be the case and that's why I am not going into details of what color signifies what mood and all that because that's not the focus of this class but I just give you a rough outline of how does this theory come about so there are there are things which are a very commonly used schemes which are like two or more colors when they come together they form a scheme and the very very common basic rudimentary level schemes are called monochromatic or contrasting or complementary and something called triads the triads is actually any three colors but there are also type of formulae for making a triad but let's not go into detail of that I am just showing an example where monochromatic will have shades of the same color used all over similarly contrast will have a contrasting color with that now this contrast theory is slightly complicated so the easier way I can just tell you is you have this RG and B so actually it's in color theory it is not RGB in our digital world it's all RGB but actually it is yellow red and blue and when this is one triangle the combination of this becomes another triangle which becomes orange and green and violet so contrast colors is any pair which is across each other so that becomes a contrasting pair and it's proven that anything used with these contrasting colors is always good provides the enough contrast so I have shown here blue and orange based on the same theory but when you talk about triads typically people have a combination of any two colors on this side versus one color on the other side that's also perfectly fine color scheme as such and you like I showed in the earlier slides there should be meaning and the conventions have to be followed with all these filters in place it's pretty difficult most of the time that what color should you choose for a particular thing and I the reason I use the way I use it is I go by the meaning of the whole thing and then just settle down for the color scheme so the very very top level guidelines are that better the contrast better the readability so typically if you are using a white background you have to avoid these two shades right away yellow and orange are not meant for white background anything else will do in a much better way and so on and so forth you can go in other way similarly this vivid vivid colors is a very standard problem of most of the presentation they use like 100% red or 100% pink or 100% fluorescent green type of color which is very jarring twice I am unable to create that color maybe in vivid here but I can see it on the monitor here so these kind of problems will always have a rather different impact which you are not wanting to have so the scheme has to suit your topic is the most important one line guideline I can tell you but it's easier than it said than doing it actually because you need to go through all these things when you are deciding on colors any comments on colors part people have any questions on that or should I move to typography in typography we have a huge range of fonts nowadays but the typical classification of fonts is done in three different families font families and I have shown a example of 1 2 3 with that and the difference is about about the part where you have this serif which is which is this part actually when this is or rather this part which is which is blocked right now so there is no serif here and versus what you see here is a in times room on what you will see here is this part so that's called serif and it said that for presentations typically use sans serif font and for printed material use a serif font this is because of the fact and completely avoid scripts font for any technical work that is only left for greeting cards and some very very personalized notes you have to send across that's only limited for that probably don't try to use any of the script fonts for any of the technical presentations literature documents you are writing unless until it is utterly necessary in very very rare cases so you use any one of these things plus you have different emphasizing aspects within that so you have you have okay so let's do one more thing now I have fonts for the same words and which one which one suits this word military first how many for first and how many for second how many for third none and fourth yeah quite a bit okay so there is a tie between second and fourth which is understandably correct so the fourth one looks actually kind of slightly stretched and more tough looking than the second one but second one is also enough disciplined so to say to represent military right for this third okay any other views first which one first okay why first it has curves actually but it does not have sharp edges actually what what you wanted to say was it doesn't have sharp edges you said it doesn't have much of curves that's how okay okay by the way which of these fonts will suit the earlier word military which have last one right because of that stencil wall a impact which you want that rugged look for the military right which one for this first second third fourth second okay our most favorite times Roman any other last okay it's is the same for neutral third is most neutral right and you can't see any neutralize thing in in the fourth one or even in the second one yeah first one of the military what is the problem okay can anybody answer his problem why the first font face for word military is not good okay so serif font typically will convey some emotion also along with it that is one argument given anybody anybody buys that argument so military with with this curves becomes emotional military anybody anybody buys that argument or anybody has a anti-argument yeah so I will I associate military with robustness and strength so anything which is having the thin will have a problem and especially if you look at the composition of a inner serif one it will have this very very thin part here I'm not sure whether this will hold if I put some weight on to this so it immediately crumbles because I can see that it's having a very thin here so this all is associated with meaning and the way you you comprehend the images yeah yes you cannot have every every word having different font right so that time you have to go back into birds point of view and see whether that passage means something and that something has to be associated with the relevant font on top of that let me tell you okay good point that he has raised it can't be having too many fonts in that same presentation because that one for paragraph was related to military I have added maybe this what you call the stencil font in that and somewhere it was casual I have used a script there so it can't be like that for a presentation definitely you need to have a uniformity in terms of fonts but when you are putting lines like especially one line or one word or something that time you can use font so I'm coming to the font guidelines where a typographic idea yeah no no no there was no there was no thing to do with colors actually it was my mistake I could have done with same color and different things but like most of you I also copy pasted and from earlier slide and I wanted to actually the next question I wanted to ask was there is a so is there association between the font and the color so for example the point I wanted to ask was that you you all were okay with the green color for the military if I write in the green color this military in this font will you buy it because the color is correct no so the point which was to be discussed further was that just color is not good enough to convey the message it should be accompanied by appropriate font also and vice versa so just appropriate font with the wrong color will also have a problem for example if you say the soft is the pink color can be associated with soft but the moment I put it into a stencil font it is not soft anymore it's hard right so that is the point I wanted to make out that's why I retained the color code with that and by the way there is a combination of both the things in appropriate manner is the only way out there is no there is no and or here so there is this is there is no or here then and this and that okay so one last thing is about emphasis and everybody knows the options so if you have to emphasize the word emphasis in this sentence how will you do it is this how many people for this how many for this how many for this how many for this one two three four one one okay two lot of two three not many for three four yeah so so why color and not bold it's easy to see that emphasize right and anybody why why underline a lot of people said underline nobody said underline by the way why italics lot of people's preferred italics okay so depending on the context I'll use any one of these right the problem happens when people it use it like this they bolded they it allocate and they change the color and they also underline it and that's where the problem like so you have four different tools to combat the problem and you use all four of them on the same problem is not a good idea so that's why I wanted to ask this specific question that if it can be suffice only with italics why use bold and why use why complicate life of the reader so that's that's the point I wanted to just bring out of this so this is this is actually going directly with some of the observations from the slides you guys have put in so just go back and relook at the slides and that will be probably continuing we will be taking up in the next class also some more discussion on top of that I so how many people want to re revisit their own presentations or you would like to change somebody else's presentation the how should that you know maybe they should do their own this is stick to their own okay but we had a open discussion today and you have taken notes about that so probably that will be useful for you I have a yeah okay so just to sum up the typography part typically stick to lesser fonts in a complete presentation so you can have a one one heading font and one body font which is good enough if you can use this the options available in the same font it's well and good it will be complete one font but like some slides had the same aerial 14 point and aerial 14 point for both is not a good idea so you should have that distinction definitely by virtue of either changing the font color or using a option like bold or italic or something like that then you can use point options to emphasize but use it sparingly and alignment feature left is preferred in presentations although there are some presentations which like some slides within the presentation which can go ahead with even central layout for especially for this opening slide most of the time people use it and use grade is one tip I am trying to emphasize in this class because I have seen not many people using the grid feature available in any of the presentation tools beam maybe it is PowerPoint or open office or acrobat or whatever you use if you use grid these kind of issues won't happen about where are you placing your points so whether it is aligned with the top it's not aligned with the top is it at first indent or the second indent especially the yeah that's the grid and so he was just trying to explain it to somebody how the grid looks like and it also solves the problem like the balance thing which we saw in couple of slides that everything is in one quadrant of the entire thing because the grid also has the first four major quadrant markings so once you switch on the grid you will get this thing first and then you will get these dotted lines but you can immediately see whether your entire presentation lies only in this area and this entire area is is open to problems so this kind of things will be easily seen and felt if you switch on the grid so that is the reason I thought I give this step and not many people use grid as a tool while making the presentation so that's a useful thing you can try out I wanted to do that but will stick to so not not by other group we suggest that you you revisit your own presentation now and see what all things are going wrong there in terms of all the three aspects the grammar part the sentence formation part and then the visual design part so these three things I am just keeping the impressed part like the animation and all part for the next class so that we can we can see presentations in some format which can be useful in that place right so yeah you had so the announcement was that in the next class next class we will be discussing the impress and then later on we will do the recording part okay thanks