 Alright welcome everybody to this meeting of the Rochester Select Board and first before we start we're going to confirm the open meeting law conformity knowing that the agenda has been posted in three public places and on their website and emailed interested parties correct so that's good we can move forward and I'm gonna start with does anyone have any additions to the agenda tonight if you haven't seen the agenda that you have Mason about you can go could I make an addition to sure the consolidated communication we're just taking additions to the agenda for you guys that just came in want to add anything or not if you're just here for the everything that's already on there all right so I would like to start first with accepting the minutes that were typed up from the last meeting look good to me and I'll move we approve those second that all in favor and got goes so we'll move right to the the main attraction here we have from Frank Russell you have something that you want to talk about you know since you haven't arrived here from another planet we've recently had a lot of storm damage from that April 15th yes April 15th but I've already showed this to this like board members and I'll give them a copy of the photographs here but that's a photo of the that's a photo of the water carrying down you know mud and gravel I mean it's you know I looked out my window and then you know you know got some clothes on a Greg White told me I now have riverfront property but that's but that's that's the that's that's that's maple Hill Road and all the all the water carrying down you know you know you know road material basically you know you know road dirt and and and and gravel sorry those are the pictures I'm sure you're yours too all right and this is this is a picture of the equipment that arrived actually very quickly I mean I don't know within about an hour or so Charlie Smith was there with all kinds of equipment and I think the response time was really very very good you know I'm not sure what there was to do with all that equipment then it was just all in motion and but he was there and that was you know I was feeling confident about that you know somebody was you know aware and responding I'm sure there was all kinds of other stuff going on that time too so thank you the select board for you know activating that and so on this is I mean this is a this is a picture of all the water that was rushing down I mean it's just I mean everything at that point was you know in motion but that's my property line with the wall right there so it was so the property the property line I mean the wall was catching the water and it was flowing beyond there that's actually probably a picture that's going up on the refrigerator this is my what used to be my garden last year that had become a lagoon kind of nice you know Caribbean look I guess and then unfortunately the lagoon part of it became you know silk I don't know I think six to eight six to eight inches deep as far as I can see from you know test you know test test basically my my property the northeast corner of it means it's basically road dirt and you know gravel and then you know a lot of what turned into clay and you know and and and silk and this is a nice picture of all the silk and and and this is all chowley Smith's I mean I was just over the admiration that you know people could you know be handling a steam shuttle and then go to the top of this great big hill of dirt and gravel be scooping like this and ending into you know dump trucks and I mean one part of me thinks that they were so quick to get on that because they really wanted the road material to bring in someplace else but doing this doing is correct he said well he did get some help there didn't you yes I think that's probably true and I have to you know command you know chowley Smith for the work he did there see so I'm sorry no this is fine I mean as Sue is definitely a dramatic event and there was a lot of material I guess I encourage you to come to you didn't come here just to compliment the the response of the I'm trying not to get a hangry mode okay okay this is the warm fuzzy part I was hoping there would be I mean I really owe a apology to Tom Schnauble because he got the hangry screaming me that's what I heard yeah yeah yeah okay I did hear that yeah this is what I was trying to you know work at you know where the shovel but obviously it's too much I talked to a team of people and you know the trans and you know asking was there any way that with with all its with FEMA money or be trans money you know what I would be able to get some you know to be made all for money I'm having to clean out my property they said I needed to ask the town so I don't know what the answer to that is right and no I'm not going to cut me off doing thanks that's all right and then this is what Tom Schnauble saw that day I think he thought that that was all there was to it but what there was to it was over here whether having just machines hour upon hour emptying you know road dirt into dump trucks and that's where I am now where you know I am going to get a you know I haven't made arrangements for a sweeper to get the to get the gravel off my property but and this is right now I thought actually the so it might be okay but it's just there's too much of it so I'm gonna have to I had a choice either to try to you know move it into the soil or you know just get it down to top so I think decided to get it down to top because it's just much much too much so anyhow that's I mean that's you know pictorially what it is and I guess I'm really here I mean I expected maybe a few more people from maple hill to be here but I guess people are busy I know dons here but I guess I guess really why I'm here is but I don't know if there's an answer for if there are any funds for making me or other people who are spending hundreds of dollars just you know getting their properties back to where they were but but mostly you know I really think this event you know didn't need to happen you know if I if I go up Austin Hill and go down maple Hill I mean I just you know you just look at the you know you look at the you know that dish by the side of the road you look at the culverts and frankly I think you know if you ask me why did this happen I would say culverts culverts that weren't cleared you know by the by the crews and also culverts that are undersized that just aren't the right size for you know what what might happen and what in fact did happen here so I so I guess you know beyond the making whole part of it I'd really like some answers to you know what's the plan for this not to happen again and because I'm you know I'm seeing all kinds of plans for Bethel Mountain Road studies and whatever and I'm seeing a lot of activity on Maple Hill probably I don't know I'm sure it's not a coincidence that we're meeting today but I mean actually after compliment the road crews you know I don't know about the road crews that have been but the ones I'm meeting right now actually you know I I mean they've been very they've really been impressive and I told Ted I would I would thank him publicly for the job he did moving you know you know moving this junk away and he didn't even hurt the rhubarb so I was pleased but I I guess that's the main question just you know what you know what are you doing you know to make sure that I try to make sure that this doesn't happen again and you know what ideas do you have for you know maybe you know making sure that my property in particular that seems to be on some downward slope isn't you know catching this much water that the water isn't going into you know the ditch it's not supposed to be going into it because obviously that may whatever maybe that's enough oh good I've succeeded in not getting angry at you good thank you thank you yeah so it did the first answer is I guess is why did that happen is these ditches and culverts were filled with snow and ice from them we had a heavy snow melt and then a heavy rainfall so regardless of how big the ditch was or the covert was when it's it hasn't thought out yet this is this is an act of God this is there is if the ditches were twice as big and the culverts were twice as big and they were filled with ice and snow the same thing would have happened so is it you know we have spent well luckily the town has not spent but through other organizations have spent nearly half a million dollars on culverts on Wing Farm and Maple Hill Road in the last couple years so there is you know words there is ongoing constant effort to improve the handling of water on the roads and it's it's it there's if we had an unlimited budget there's no way that we could keep these kind of things from happening that's it's just the nature of living in the mountains really this type of event I'll just overwhelms the design basically you know unfortunately so what we can do to move moving forward to try and keep that from happening is is basically just to continue maintaining and improving as we go I mean we subscribe to the the state's road standards and they're constantly upgrading them and we've had a lot of complaints lately that the ditches why are the ditches so deep why the ditches so big is because we've been directed by the state to to any further work to to do that and we've been actually receiving grants over the last couple years to improve the the control of water on the roads and and and to increase the size of the culverts so how many culverts did we buy after this storm how many culverts have you put in since this last storm I mean to go right I mean it's definitely an ongoing thing there's nothing that we can do that's going to say we fixed all the problems it's it's all done culverts they're 12 inch yeah I'm not going to replace every culvert on the Maple Hill right now there was 18 inch ones like the ones I see in the chases there will be two yeah replaced but that has to go out the bin one will be put in an 18 will be replaced with a 24 and one of that is a 15 will be replaced with an 18 yeah the second will be big enough and once the top culvert on a hill plugs yeah but it does no I was saying that I was seeing the evidence of that culverts will plug yeah well I could put with ice or snow or five sticks and two handfuls of leaves once the top one but the ones down below no staying chance but you have records of regular maintenance of the culverts I have some records from when I was here before yeah we started checking our culverts about two weeks before this plug yeah we have to wait for the snow to get out of the way so we can see and we'll continue working on that I mean no idea I get a look at 600 culverts I've got plenty enough to change 12 to 15 so I've got to pick the worst 12 to 15 out of 600 put it please I'm not here to pick a fight with as I said I know there's been turning over with a road crew and I know we are trying to upgrade yeah and we get before but when you've got a bad culvert versus just an undersized culvert and still working we're gonna replace the time on first yeah and it takes a long time we'll do our best but that above your house two culverts will be replaced but all I did at least oh my good yeah I think that it did things someone I know and we were best I can't go water from falling down hill excuse me China did you say that you can probably replace 12 to 15 and there's roughly 600 culverts in 10 yeah okay 90 to 95 percent of the time we replaced the culvert with the next size larger so second point the second point is it money to make old people who are spending money I don't know a FEMA can help you but there's not money from the town to all the money from the town is going to maintain the roads to keep the damage from happening in the first place and there's and and like I said even if we had an unlimited budget I doubt that we would be able to assure that that would never happen again you know it's um we're that's not the only part of town that that that's got a had a problem yes but that's the nature of living in the in the mountains I mean I get I get to wake up in the snowstorms and in police off of off of my walk is the you know the sidewalks are falling apart and I just pick them up and I throw them away you know but it's not as much as truckloads of stuff but it's worth something you know yeah I mean it's haps all over the sidewalks if we I wish we had money to fix the sidewalks in town but we keep putting that off to put money into the roads because it did benefits the larger mass but we're trying to deal with the sidewalks we were you know we've narrowly missed one lawsuit because someone slipped and fell on a steep icy spot that we have plans to fix but it's it's you know yeah no I'll do something interesting with it but I just wanted to let you know that you're not the only one with strange things deposited in your yard yeah it happens right downtown you don't have to be in the hills yeah right right yeah I don't throw those back in the road though yeah you know drama I think that somebody else from maple I have large deposits of silt and I've cleaned up all the stones sticks leaves Christmas decoration am I allowed to read a letter from someone who was not able to be here Miriam I'm sorry Miri Francis McIntosh I think she's yeah we have a copy of that here if you'd like to read that go ahead yeah we'd like to know if she asked me if I couldn't be thank you now this is from Mary Francis McIntosh and Chris Coon who lived just down from the down from the chasers along with my neighbor our property at 557 Maple Hill Road is sustained damage as a result of road conditions on Maple Hill Road during the heavy flooding rains on I think we have the date run she says April 18 20th so both Maple Hill Road and Wingfarm Road could not sustain viability as a result of a washout significant damage based rolling cats of road silt gravel sand solid rocks organic and inorganic debris which were dumb dumb vulnerable properties on one of his properties now now have various levels of damage and I now face with costly repairs to include removals of tons of heavy-silver damaged the grass probably drive waves and violence the physical challenges when attempting to remove this material I think had become backbreaking and I couldn't testify to that because I've seen Mary Francis out there with a scoop show materials like cement consistency at depths of forest and trees we are not road engineer but we are payers of hefty taxes that provide limited services at best it is our expectation that road should be properly maintained keeping in mind the challenges that I'm paid to run to limited a test because they wrote as well traveled during all seasons the side dishes are not a total solution they they become overflowing canals that are unable to manage the bounding water that travels with a damaging intent in the past it has been suggested that the select board that the lower half of Maple Hill Road be paid or whether suggestion was accepted with limited review and instead more costly road construction and perhaps overall damage was incorporated into large large sums of contracting equipment and then probably with limited successful results concerns it is into effect and acknowledgments from select board members we are aware of other damage sustained in the town along with with attention to Bethel Mountain Road there are other concerns that we respectfully request people were to acknowledge and the determination of all these residents and their properties can be supported and assisted through the job schedule in travel we are unable to attend the select board meeting on 5.13.19 where we are in support of other residents who have experienced property damage with a possible deterioration of property values we are hopeful our concerns will effectively and untaxable be applied to assist in correcting property damage and road conditions you have copies of this I do yeah yeah I came to everybody yeah I live on Maple Hill I'm your neighbor I understand it's kind of trying and that's an unfortunate situation but I think it's just for the territory will you do from day in right in and I don't think it's this it's just the cost of doing business it's gonna happen you're gonna get flooded we got flooded my driver got flooded I missed a day work two days worth of work and that's some you know it's not I don't have to pay somebody to clean up the damage but I lose out on wages when I don't want to work so it's all relative but I understand that it's just the nature of the beast you when somebody lose something if it it's you this time around it's gonna be somebody else next time around it's just the cost like I said the cost of doing business so you know the road crews are doing what they can and I think they're doing a good job you know that unfortunately happened the time of year it did nothing we can do about that but I think that this is a right place to be asking these asking this of people but you know you might not get what you want so I just think we just have to roll with it because we're not the only ones in this situation you know we're not the only ones who are ever gonna be in the situation so for right now we just thank you thank you is there any else that wants to talk about this particular topic rebuild bitches and water off the roads and to protect the buildings we're not really asking for compensation the only thing we'd like to have changed is not to replace the crown or make it higher between their intersections of all their driveways at the nail box it's 50 feet of area we're asking for cooperation with we understand the culverts are in need and all that but we just like to keep the water in the ditches if we can so I'm not sure what you mean about not or keeping the crown minimum because the whole thing about the crown is to keep the water in the ditches right well it's right there it's being shunted into our driveways and between the two barn buildings if the crown is too high but between the mailbox and it's 50 feet it's four driveways we use them daily and when the crown is there it's actually blind driving you can't see the road at all you're at too much of a home it also cries problems with plowing over the last few years the angle is just too high built to you know maintain the bottom of the driveway at the perfect level right now last week's don't don't huge went into the ditches perfectly fine everything was great we didn't have any water problems but we'd like to just leave it the way it is go ahead take care of the crown and covering the you know repairs you know just driveways alone so you familiar you're familiar I'm sure with where she's talking about right I think the ground right now is two to three percent I think the ground on that road has been more than that and when it gets totally regraded it'll be two to three percent thank you once again there are standards that the state sets for our roads that include how the road gets crowned and the ditches and I do have the name of the gentleman that is our district person for those if you wanted to talk to him yeah Jim Ryan would be your man thank you all right Diane you're on the agenda here because of the speed issue I realized that people have to come and go get down to their jobs go the grocery store go to school whatever and it has been a problem in the past with some of the teenagers up in the hollows but now it is absolutely ridiculous there is cars going faster down that hill then they're going out there you're 100 and that's not a joke you can ask the neighbors I don't know what you can do but the first thing I would suggest is put a speed sign up at the top of Brook Street but by the monument the speed sign up there now reads 85 the next speed sign you'll come to it says 30 down by Mike and Alyssa's house by the garage now by the time they get to Mike and Alyssa's they're already doing 40 or 50 when they go by our house and then you hear the brakes come on and they slide down onto the tire and then reverse their hit they get to Mike and Alyssa's and they're gunning at us watch a couple of cars you can't you can't pass going that speed no it's really past going slower exact yeah I was up there today and I came down I met three cars and one of them almost put me in the ditch so that I wasn't happy about that but there's got to be something with a sign or something down at the bottom of Brook Street Wednesday when I was coming downtown I got right by where was I oh by Bill Henry's driveway I looked down and I see a truck coming so I got down by sugar sales and I slowed down because I it was a big truck it was a big box truck about 54 feet long and so I pulled over by sugar driveway and I sat there and he's coming at me and so I'm sitting there going and he's docked so put his window down and I said I don't think you want to be going that way he said oh that's where my GPS said yeah yeah right I said where you going he said Massachusetts I said I think you better go back down to 107 you're gonna get there a lot faster than you're gonna go this way okay thank you but it's just and I don't know what else you can do I know there's caution signs all the way up through there there's slow signs all the way up through there I went there today I checked them all out but and we have to you can't be going fast up there I had somebody try same person twice past me go by 20 miles an hour is fast enough I would like to propose for the time that Bethel Mountain Road is shut down that Brookstreet from top to bottom between five miles an hour and that's plenty fast in some spots yes it's just it's nuts and this is a month before school is out right Brookstreet is a residential neighborhood there is kids there's animals there's bicycles we have 15 to 20 people that walk that hill every day they're not now because they're too afraid to except for the minister but I think he's got somebody looking out for him but it's somebody's gonna get hurt and everybody said oh well we should have said something we should have said something we're saying something something's gotta happen before something does happen would it help if you put the barriers and the signs down by the personage because it's funneling them right up Berks Street yes because I get up there they want Berks Street if the signs were done by the personage it might cut back on it something well and what about at the bottom of Berks Street like local traffic only a sign that maybe says or no through traffic to Bethel Mountain it says no through anyway yeah I can't even count I'm not kidding I cannot count the number of out-of-state people yeah turn around in my driveway since this happened not having a clue where they're going because they're getting back about the road is a main yes I know but today I heard two motorcycles coming up the hill and Sam was out there two motorcycles coming up the hill and I thought okay they got on all of a sudden I didn't hear any more engines going and it's like that's kind of weird and my husband care takes the Henry property so we're always very vigilant about what we hear for traffic right there so I look out the window which I can look right down to the road and there's two motorcycles sitting broadside in the road talking to Sam with their motors off and I'm thinking holy crap if somebody comes down the hill like they've been coming down that hill those guys are dead ducks because you're going to get in place to go and on that wait stuff that's on that road when it's wet it's you're on ice there was a camper truck and a trailer that came down through there the other day and I'm thinking where the hell did that guy come from he must not have had any breaks when he got to the bottom because he was coming down the hill with that big thing behind him you're gonna see a lot of that this one schools out people are going to be this way over yeah yeah yeah and it's not I hate to say this it's not all out of counters that are coming down no it's not we got a few others that need to slow down to I don't know what you can do but starting with a 25 speed limit I agree I agree and that's a process that we would have to go through worn meetings it's not we can't just decide tonight to make a 25 mile an hour limit but I agree that it's something that we should yeah yeah I agree I think that's a good idea you know yeah maybe I don't know it might help a little bit in addition to some other things we can do but maybe put in a radar speed sign up there that has a tendency to slow people down just that the other thing is what's going on with the constable we don't have one right no have you considered hiring Windsor County that for a reasonable fee the word it's in process he's meeting with us tomorrow night the budget and finance committee meeting so that's in right process yeah you said it in the Henry driveway and you could pay for that absolutely yeah yeah what about and they just had an idea too what about speed bumps and strategic spots at least temporarily while the road is just stop fixing the potholes and the only thing about speed bumps on dirt roads is it can be hazardous cars can lose control I'd be a little concerned about a good idea but a little concerned about that I just mean like toward the bottom where we are not up on the winding parts but the bottom to slow people down because they just tend to gun it right right at our house I hear the I hear their engine I hear them just got it right passes and sometimes it makes me so they have a day my husband like I want to throw a camera we have we have his letter yeah that is later yes yes you gonna buy a tennis ball throw or instrument well also there's also like I'm sorry about the construction trucks you know when the special one that works started they they are much bigger than most of our cars you know I live up on Brook Street and they are sold out I mean because they know that I have to get out of the way somehow into the nature of some has you know so I would also like to please put a huge request to those big trucks to you know be considerate of our smaller vehicles but when the roads are soft they can't pull over they'll be right in the ditch I think the truck they go around they this that's the washboard you know they create the washboard but they don't stop us breaking up the heavy trucks ran for two weeks while we were getting people accessed out of their driveways and getting the road put back together so that you can travel back and forth that was only a two-week period the truck traffic should be greatly diminished now because technically the roads are still posted for a couple more days so they're not allowed on the roads right now okay Marthe had a question yeah there's a special procedure for that we have to have a special town meeting and it has to be warned if we wanted to call it a construction zone that's a speed because the speed limit in half you have to come up with construction you think it'd be right all the state and that's in what they can do since it's an alternate road we're not advertising legally out there right you can't put up no detour sign there because somebody said it's female money you can't do that it's there's a lot of restrictions around detours and what you can and can't lay you can't but it's not really officially a detour for Bethelman Road because you're not allowed to detour the other way no detour the other way well yeah it's it hasn't been signed as a detour for that to go it it should be yeah yeah that's the seven signboards right one $131,000 yeah 101 07 to 12 yeah I got it that has to be on the other side too if the state could put up an interstate 89 sign by the state mark point south that would maybe stop a lot people from trying to go over the mountain it's just just simple song they think that might be the age of some of you traffic it is totally going over and it's not any there's only two miles difference now like going around yeah and it's quicker to go around much quicker yeah it's only two miles difference that arguably because it goes over 50 up there make up for the time I just want a second I'm at the bottom of the hill and I'm getting the fast starting up and then it gets to Alyssa and then it gets to Diane so we're getting the brunt at the bottom getting ready to go up yeah Chris he's been yelling at speeders are going to buy his house yeah once they get to the top yeah they'd maximize their speed oh yeah yeah so it is going to get worse once it's cool so there's only three houses on Brook Street that don't have kids well we could put signs up saying you know children playing and there is one right by the list this house there was no it's on the going uphill going downhill okay I didn't see one going up hill I would add I went up this afternoon and so far there's probably four o'clock so and I was amazed that the only way I could travel with my pickup without jumping all over the road was going the left-hand side and I'm not opposed to do it that and so because that is where I've always driven is on the back road the left-hand side is the right-hand side is the wash party right because on the right-hand side my pickup would jump all over the place and make more work yeah but anyway I have to respect the fact I didn't happen to meet anybody so I go on the flat and up the hill on the left hand all the way by the aunt health and up my north tip I was on the left-hand side not a good idea but then by by you know before Debbie's house and there's a sharp burn so like I've tried that like you know the left side all the studies somebody goes fast from the top is you like you're like you are in trouble like the middle like you know like this slalom and you try to do it more also the washboard the everything it's gonna be good we got a chance to see road bridge actually oh yeah done on Brooke Street all are in each other oh so you're the one going too fast huh yeah where are the where are you one from a street it's amazing how people spend what color or whether a license plate they're all different colors all different colors yesterday I had a reason to test this 90% of the cars that went up the hill were out-of-staters yeah yeah weekends are bad the bomber tracking has been less than two weekends this one they've caught on fun so I'm just about to mount the lock on I see the tractor with the sleeper the bobcats down through there I can't figure out how low for that yeah I see that one the red one yeah there was four there was four Ontario motorcycles that came down through there last Sunday but I could hear them rumbling as they began down the hill yeah we hired the sheriff sounds like his first job yeah the cassette we're meeting with the sheriff tomorrow and we know where to put him yeah his first job is be Burke Street yeah I'll let him have three hot coffee or hot coffee alright I think that's really going to be the best they did it in Hancock on the flat where people were speeding yeah pay attention now when you go through there you do so you're meeting with the Windsor County Sheriff's Department tomorrow yes okay thank you yeah and also, Julie, you're very brave one day I saw you and Andy bike up that on Brook Street so it's like you're very brave because that's very dangerous the first Sunday that the road was out I was backed up in my driveway looking both ways Suzelle Harvey was on her bike right opposite me going up and that caution sign was in the road at that point this Connecticut pickup was following her up the hill he was doing fine wasn't doing anything wrong all of a sudden this SUV comes down the hill between me and her and the pickup truck not slowing down one bit they had to have been hitting 40 by the time they got to Mike and Alyssa's and it's like where the hell did he come from and so the Connecticut truck went up I went down the hill and I looked and Suzelle's just trying to get back onto her bike I don't know if she jumped off because she got scared or what but it's like this is crazy yeah I didn't think it's Bethel Mountain they do they're treating it as Bethel Mountain yeah by the time I get home I could have two or three cars behind me oh usually there's four sometimes he's Bruce Bruce after the light went out behind him he's just doing a pretend time marker I'm glad we can all find a last yeah Well, I think that's some good ideas. One final thing, I would like to commend the road crew for what they have done, with what they've had to deal with. Yes. I agree. Two months. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. That was... I seem to say it. Annie, you have something to say? Well, I just want to say that I think that it really seems like we should be taking care of Brook Street because, as you know, we love it too. I'm not walking the dog, riding the bike up there either at the moment, but more importantly, I'm actually concerned about people getting into the village over the summer. And so, I know that the signage is expensive, but I think it might be worth helping people get here in a reasonable way. I've had a few people who are, you know, taking much longer to get here, and I know that that... I just know that there are businesses that can't really afford to have that kind of thing happen. So, I don't know. I think it might be worth thinking about proper signage at that junction of 107 and 12 and... Right down the buffer. Yeah, down there. I think it really would be. I thought you were going to stage the phone and just do it this way. I'll plan the route, of course. I mean, because of all of the social activities that happen here, all the programming, you know, the village really does depend on that. You know, some people might not realize it, but a lot of businesses are depending on that kind of traffic. And I would hate to see Route 100 get shut down again to, you know, proper traffic through here. Just because we haven't handled it properly. Because also, the problem is that even before that happened, GPS tells people to go over the back of another road. Yeah, I stopped a truck and I... When you come to Canbrook Street, that sign is just too small. That, like, tracks over some, like, wait, I don't know, like, we don't know. So that sign that would be, like, you know, coming out of the interstate, you know, like Route 12, saying that just to Rochester go 107 instead of over the mountain, that would be helpful in all times. Just as a matter of interest, Kudin, what about the signs? Would we actually own those signs? I mean, what I want to say is I think we're in the middle of, you know, global warming, climate change. They're the only signs that we need to reroute traffic again in the future. I think that's really what we're up against, and so thinking about preparation in the future for things that we have that actually help us to get people here and out of here in a reasonable way that doesn't tax, you know, roads that are not meant for this kind of traffic. In the last three weeks, we spent $5,000 on signs. Yeah, I think we need more, though. I think because this doesn't sound good. I'm with them. I think that that's not, that's a road that doesn't need to have that kind of traffic on it. And we'll end up with bigger problems on that road. There was, I've got an update for the GPS. When I went downtown this afternoon after I was checking all the signs from the top to the bottom, I got right down at the intersection and there was a white vehicle with all kinds of signage all over it. Weird looking thing on the roof. And so the guy had just kind of pulled up and was stopped there. So I pulled it beside him and I said, you going over to Bethel? He said, oh, well, I was just checking my GPS stuff. And it's like, well, you don't want to go that way. He said, no, he said, how far up that road is that closed? And I said, well, up to the next intersection. Well, he is the guy from Tom Tom, which is the GPS person. So he was going to put on his GPS that that road was closed. He said, I'm going to update this, that is closed. I said, it may be till Christmas. He said, OK. Well, I will come. Please, how are we going to do that? He didn't get his phone number, did you? Yeah. Because we have reached out to these GPS companies in the past trying to get Bethel Mountain Road reclassified. And I stopped a big truck. He was already backing up. And I made the comment that he needed a commercial GPS, not a consumer GPS. And he said, no, this is a commercial GPS. And it's sending me this way. So that whole thought that people are going there because they have the wrong GPS is that's not the case, it seems. Well, this guy said Tom Tom on the side of the car. I think it was in the handshift license plate. Martha? It's just even before the road was damaged. I mean, I drive that road. I go to Randolph every day of work. And coming home, I ran into someone who was planning. They were in the middle of the road and they were stopped. And it looked like they couldn't figure out what to do. And they were looking for route 100. But they had turned. Well, I was going up in the hall with a friend and they had turned that way because GPS told them to. Even though there's clearly marked a sign that says Rochester with a left-hand arrow and everything. Death by GPS. He said, I saw a sign, but I figured GPS knew the best, I think. But where's the sign that belongs in the local spot? But people do briefly. Where does something do? Anyway. So be assured that this is going to do everything we can to one, I think, is worth having. Whether it's making it a construction zone and lowering the speed limit that way or going through the process to lower the speed limit in general. And then get in and, you know, seeing how quickly we could get the marshal to be patrolling it. And start, you know. Would it help if Bethel put their barriers up like we've got them? Where you're blocking off one lane? I'm sure it. I'm sure it would. Because they've got both of their lanes. I was over there today. They have some signs out. But the barriers are off to the side of the road. So, you know, maybe if they had them blocked. No, people don't seem to care about the barrier. The other day someone had opened up the barriers. We had the Jersey barriers across there totally blocking Bethel Mountain Road. And then we opened it up so the workers could get out there to do the chlorine. And Kevin Doherty came down and asked me Sunday if we had opened the road because they had been moved and he'd seen people were driving through there. And I said, no. And so we'd closed them off again to, you know, people. People do what they want. They do. Yeah. That's all they care about. It's currently closed off. Yes. There's no place to turn around. I mean, you could turn around in the road. There's no place to turn around. What the answer is, first of all, is that 85. You know, it says it's been like a joke for many years. But now it's like, I think this is like, the joke is over. Yeah. 85. Yeah. You can clearly see, but that should have been replaced. Yeah. A long time ago. I got some white spray paint. Yeah. Some kids have found it. All right. So thank you for your encouragement to do something more. And we are not sparing a minute to get this all behind us. Christmas is not on our agenda. Way before Christmas, Diana. Is there any update as to when they might start there? We have done the, go ahead. They have started. They've already surveyed it. They were drilling in the survey. And tonight we're actually going to authorize Deboy and King to move ahead on the next phase of the project. So it's definitely been on the fast track. Yeah. Bill Henry's. Oh, yeah. Did you want Bill Henry's address? I think Joe was kind of looking for it earlier. I can take it. I also have contact with the Henry family. But yeah, I'd love to have that one from you. Now, I think he's turned it over to the boys. Yeah. And the boys are who I've been talking to. Well, you have. Real estate stuff. But I've got, this helps, too. Right. Yeah. Thank you. All right. So Martha, you had something on the agenda as a guest you wanted to talk about. Well, that was, it's also under me business, too. I'm the chair of the Fourth of July parade. And I just wanted you to have a form that I feel right here. Yeah. I just wanted permission from the board to have to use the park. Yeah. To have a parade on Bethel Mountain Road in Brookstreet. Fourth of July? That'll slow down the traffic, but to have a parade on it. There's no traffic. So you can have a parade up and down there. Right. That might be an idea, but I think I'll go with you. I'd move to approve that application. I would second that. All in favor? All right. All right. Thank you. All right. So that, speaking of Jones updates and the work on Bethel Mountain Road, I would move to authorize DeBlanc King to move ahead with phase B tasks three and four starting immediately. I'll second that. All in favor? All right. All right. Okay. That's on the record. We can do that. I'm sorry. We just want to get it done past. We're authorizing DeBlanc King to move ahead with phase B tasks three and four of the work on Bethel Mountain Road. Right. It's an engineering phase. Yeah. It's the engineering phase. It's not, you're not going to see dump trucks headed up there yet. Not yet. And what had been done was called boring. And what they did was drill down through the road to look for bedrock, to look for the ledge under the road. The initial reports were very positive that they found good hard ledge, not a lot of shaley ledge, not very far under the road. It was also noted that the road was in worse shape than we thought. There were still, there were even more undermining of the pavement that wasn't even discovered yet. So what we're doing, we were reassured that we are going in the right direction. We should be doing this and that what we're building upon the base is a good hard solid base. So, so far things are going our way. I've got a question. You said the ledge was up close to the surface of the road. Within 24 inches. Within 24 inches in some spots. In some spots there was 12 inches of pavement. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Some spots. Yeah. Yeah. So, they said what we're doing is a good thing. Right. We're doing the right thing. I'm pleased to hear that because I, people have been asking me and I said I expected all going to the old clay. That wasn't clay. No. You know. No. Well, that gives them the best heat to mount when it's sloping. That's for the engineers to figure out. Yep. Tony, do you have anything here on behalf of the library to speak about? No. I just say keep track of Jeanette's posters. There's a lot of stuff there. And we have a quote in the folder for, to me. Yeah. That we will review. Yeah. I guess we've talked a lot about the highway tonight already, but do you have anything else you want to add to that? Thank you. We heard it all. We heard it all. All right. Yeah. Just keep up the good work. Thank you. Yeah. And this was actually on our agenda is aside from thanking the road crew. We also wanted to thank the fire department for getting up so early and putting up cones when all that damaging was happening. There was probably some, you know, some damage was avoided by that quick action. And thank you for making that happen. And also thank you for the recreation committee for getting the park raked up and ready for summer. It wasn't the recreation committee. It was the Tritown Sports. Tritown Sports. Oh, okay. There was a nice picture on the front page of two little guys with their rakes. Yeah. And then again, thanks for the road crew for picking up the piles of stuff that they raked up. The road crew did pick up a giant pile of stuff they raked up. Terry, did you have anything to talk about in the utility land? Yeah. Yeah. We had to walk around on Monday. Yeah. Last Monday. And the state guy was there, Brian, for a part of it. He basically wanted to see how the systems worked. I said, you know, ours is one of the one of a kind in the state. Yeah. Big. There's not very many other ones. So if you want to, and you want to understand how I got my numbers and like the numbers, you know, through missions for two of the systems, but number one is just the only thing we can do is off the counter. He's off many times off runs, which is very inaccurate as far as up and down. And I told him that I'd gotten a price off mission. We've talked about getting that put in last year when we did the upgrade. And they wanted $10,000, right? Yeah. And I got a price on it the other day to put it in for $3,100. That's a good thing we procrastinated that. And I explained to him that we were planning on doing it this year, and he was quite happy to see that done. Yeah. They were down the other day because I was having problems with the counter on site four. And plus I've had troubles since they shut the power off the other night. The pumps kicked off toys, number one. But it's been running fine the last two weeks. So I looked into getting a new pump. They don't make that style anymore. That's a 15 horse. And the only thing that's going to take its place is a 25 horse. But the guy was here and we went through the control and the control was big enough to take the 25. So not a big deal. A big deal is getting it. And so I guess that is like 9,100. But they're 15 years old. Both pumps are in there. Bad environment. I really think we should get one coming just to have it here. And then I've left the other ones around. They've already knocked down. They're down about 12 gallons a minute. That's somewhat they used to pump in here and know. They're pumping around three gallons a minute. One's 92 or almost 93. The other one's like 95. They used to be like around 106. But that's not unusual for the age. So I guess I'd like permission to order the mission which in the budget we haven't done anything on repairs this year and got $6,000 in there. And that would pay for the mission. It's pretty easy. And right now our budget's $15,000 underneath what is budgeted for. We got just a month left. So I'd like to order that other pump at least get it here. Yeah. Because we be screwed. Yeah. So we can go down. Yeah. This is not a two-day pump getting in here. No. Yeah, I think that's... I mean you can probably get in here in two days but you're going to pay dearly. For both pieces. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good to me. What is it here in Ontario? And I checked the weather belt. The pump for that question. The guy pretty heavy belt. 15 hours to 25. That's quite an increase. But I was over the weather the other day and I was talking to Elton over there. And he looked it up because I had the numbers with me. And he says, yeah, you're going to have to go that big. And their price was a little bit higher than champion. Is that what you think is being oversized like that? Is it going to last any longer? Or is it just... Probably not. Probably not. I don't last as long. Yeah. No more pump. Yeah. The old one seemed last best best but I still don't think we should replace it. Oh, yeah. But it'd be nice to be able to replace it immediately when it does go to... Right, because I'm sure that and both of them go. Now, if the money's in the budget that's getting towards the end of the... And there's also like... I think it's $22,000 in the reserve fund. So, I mean it's not going to increase anybody. Yeah. And all of our other pumps are pretty new. Yeah. All right. Go ahead. Degree, Tom. If you're looking pensive. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go for it. Order it. So this is a larger pump you're ordering? Yes. It's actually a larger pump but it does the same thing. Same thing. And it's only larger because they don't make the smaller one. Okay. They don't make that series. That series. So it's cool. Yeah. See that? Because we've been with pumps. Yeah. And that's all? All right. Terry, is that the same manufacturer pump as the 15? It's a crane instead of a barns. Okay. The barns doesn't make that small that's why they had to go with the crane to get one of the pumps back. Because of the elevation you've got about 1,700 million feet of pipe to go through. And the elevation, like always, must be close to 50, 60 feet of elevation, I'm assuming. So... Okay. That's why we're in that category. And we really need something that comes at 100 gallons a minute. Produces 100 gallons a minute to make it... Okay. Make the system work up there. Yeah. Actually a little bit more would be better because I'd like to see it search or I'd like to get more even. All right. Thank you. Is this where you are hoping to have your questions brought in, Mason? Oh, I was thinking the new business at the end. Yeah, that's where we are. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God! Could you step in front of the camera, please? Come around to the front of the camera. I was planning on it. Okay, good. I had to organize that. Yeah. Okay. Very close, sir. Thanks, Frank. I'm so sorry about that. You're flooding. Thank you. Two and a half years, you know, I've been trying to actually be in a situation to help God not flood my property by stopping a road being built by my house, which is downhill with a tremendous water problem. And it seems like it would be cost effective for this town not to be devious. Consequently, I've spent a lot of time with the research and the Bethel of the Joseph Patel Middlebury College Archives, the State Archives, Hancock Archives. And it seems to be some issues going on right now that we need to have some clarity on 2017 where Walt, Kiefer Bill, Eric, Jenny were very serious that TH-29 did not run magically through Smoky's property. And that should have been refiled with the agency of transportation. And it seems like a lot of people are very confused about that still. So tonight, I'd like to have a public record request form for the information relating to the town informing the state of Vermont that the magic road through Smoky's property never existed. And also, when that was... It's okay, we don't have to have debate or anything, you know, in this process. Just curious if you're saying never existed or never went through that land. I'm just curious. TH-29 never went through Smoky's property. Okay, that's different than never existed. I'm just clarifying that. I'm just clarifying where the roads are. And it magically connected with TH-18, which Hancock is seriously dealing with the state because the state's watching all this. What's this hanging chad up here? This little piece of road. So 1921, a petition. October 8th. Dunham, Taylor, Martin, and Blair, most likely all gentlemen since I don't think in 1921 women were involved. They petitioned the Hancock Select Board to discontinue all roads in Bingo Basin that they have. Except at the end of Bingo Road up at the Smith Farm heading over to Ira Whitney. Now that was because Middlebury College had a barn. And so between October 8th and the 22nd, only four people petitioned in Hancock. Now I want to remind you all that we had 100 people petitioned to do a disclosure, to shut down. So 100 people in this town. And here's four people. They get an instant response from the select men at the time. And they had to discuss this with all interested parties. So that means they had to talk to the Select Board in 1921 just prior to our Select Board in 1921 October. So between the 8th and the 22nd we must have minutes of our Select Board in conversation with them. So I would like to file another public form in relation to that to see if we can come up with those minutes. And it seems like Hancock is doing pretty good. They got minutes going all the way back to 1921. Thank you. So did this magic TH-18 get dedicated after 1921? And how did this situation all happen that out of the 68 acres that Hancock created a tax sale with a magic row that connected through. And now I am dealing with all this. So that's those issues. And I'm also curious in trying to figure all this out when did Rochester annex the town of Robinson? Must be records on that. But everything I've seen so far it's hard to really see that. And so I'm kind of curious about that. So actually Mara, it's really interesting you're here tonight. I'm sure you had a great vacation and everything. The U.S. Forest Service, the CCC built the bridge across Bingo Brook in the 30s. I don't know if you remember that in the sense of not saying, you know. Not to say how old you are. But somehow the CCC built a bridge. They built a bridge. What was the arrangement? Was it with Robinson? Was it with Rochester? They built the bridge. What were they trying to do? Were they trying to get to Thrasher Road which used to be the Jeep Road? And then when we all realized the U.S. Forest Service built 62 why? Because it's a mountain. The water. And that was before climate change. So I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted Frank in two and a half years. It's absolutely ridiculous. And by the way the town could have been spending this money unfixing important things in town like sidewalks instead of creating new expenses. I'm telling you. It's going to be like that. I'll let that go from there. Actually this is related to one of those two. So Amy. What is it related to one of those? You can read them. They're hanging from your neck there. If you're going to present a request for information I'll read all four of them. You summarized the first three. The last fourth one is what I'm curious about. Rod Mason. I need to be attending what's left of it. Yes. It has to be going on in two and a half years. It would be nice. There may be all the different maps out there with everybody yahooing around changing them. Requesting documents related to information the state of Vermont, the ATOT mapping that the recording of TH-29 through the Casselomarty property formerly Smokies 43 acres was not correct. Also a copy of the filing of the incorrect notice to the state in the beginning. Who okayed that road? Requesting documents related to the town of Robinson, annexing the town of Assisi. Requesting the document related to the town of Rochester, annexing the town of Robinson including dates and those signing. Is there a fourth one in here? I thought you said there was four. I thought so too. Maybe I have another one. Would that be interesting? Requesting select board minutes between the dates of October 8th and October 27th, 1921 at which time the select board of Hancock contacted Rochester about discontinuance of roads in Bingo Basin. You can't get lots of paperwork. So I'm curious, is there some redundancy here with the work that the lawyer that you've previously retained to do this work? I'm interested in talking to the people of town and letting people of town start realizing of these issues because I go around and people go oh gosh, wasn't that solved a long time ago? And don't, this is taking a huge toll on me on my work, not being able to focus. It's stressful and it shouldn't be this way. And I've already spent more money than all the taxes I've spent on this town. Here is the other one. Requesting Rochester select board minutes of the dedication and creation of TH 29 and the maps. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you. I guess on that same note, Harlan, you had made a request for some information so I have a bunch of stuff here for you. It's what we found relative to your request for information. Very good, very good. Thank you. You're welcome. I'll look this over and get back to you. All right, there you go. And that's basically relating to the old business of the missing book in the town records. We did find a book that is actually relating to all of the town roads spanning from the 1870s to 1894 to 1970s. So that covers the period that you were curious about in terms of town road issues. I'd like to see the select board meeting now. I'd like to get what I know. You're still looking for that? I mean, have you got through everything and it's not there? So far, there's a summary of all that. It's right in there. Yeah. So this is what you got so far? Yes, yeah. Thank you. And unless anything else to talk about tonight, I think that's it. There will be an update on the progress of the road repairs at the next high court meeting. Always. Yes. Thanks. Always. Thank you.