 Oh, we're live. Hey, um, so we didn't hear from every single person in the audience, but we heard from several dozen who said they like us giving you a little pre-show every day. Oh, that's nice. So there you go. Good to know. Pre-show. One person suggested maybe giving a link in the notes to jump, you know, your targeted link to jump to the beginning and end of the show. Um, so we'll, we'll try to figure out if we can do that. And of course, Jenny on current geek was like, you should put annotations and have the annotations link. And I'm like, yeah, that's a lot more work. It's a great idea. Um, everyone in the chat room right now is talking to Veronica's bot. Yes, they are probably my Kindle. Oh, she loves talking about Kindle. She self identifies as bacon. Veronica asked her if she was male or female and she said, I like bacon. So good. Yeah, she loves talking about Kindle. What did they ask her? Did someone ask her something? She just said probably my say hello DCTV bot. Yeah, that's right. No, she does. She just out of nowhere. Yeah, apropos nothing. And so he brings bacon is like, I've always self identified as bacon. I can relate. All right, let's do this little show thing we do. It's good to have you back V. Yeah, I was actually around last week. No, I know. Derham was actually around Friday. There were like two people who couldn't do the show, but we're also kind of around. So yeah, we understand. I wasn't supposed to be around. So I don't want to stir up the pot too much. No problem. It's good to get some new blood in. Yeah, yeah. Well, Mars like our top utility infielder, he filled in for you last Monday and he's filling in for Patrick tomorrow. Oh, nice. So Patrick's still in Japan? Patrick is big in Japan. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, he was on Peter Wells episode of DTNS yesterday. Oh, cool. Yeah, Patrick Bezier was sweet. Yeah, it was good. All right, here we go. Tom, the Daily To support Tom, go to Daily Tech News Show dot com slash support. Okay, now you can press the button, Tom. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, April 25, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt, joining me today back after a two week absence. I wouldn't say it was a vacation. Ms. Veronica Belmont, host of Dear Veronica and Gadget, twitter.com slash Veronica. Howdy. Oh my gosh, it was two weeks. Yeah, I didn't even realize that. I thought it was one, but you're right. You were shooting your videos in the hills of Kentucky. And then before that, I don't remember what you're doing. No, I wasn't. Well, I was supposed to be in Kentucky last Monday, but they didn't have me leaving until Wednesday. So I was actually around, but you know, I don't want to stir the pot too much. Could have just jumped things. I know it was fine. I needed the time to get some other work done. So it was cool. Well, we're very happy to have you back. Veronica's chatbot, Belmont is in the chat room. So folks watching live can chat along with her and teach her to say horrible things. Oh, please don't know someone. It's been great, though. Someone taught her Portuguese. So sometimes she responds in Portuguese or Latin. She likes to talk about her Amazon Kindle a lot. She likes to ask you what color roses are. It's very sweet. And she's talking to DCTV Bot. I think they're having some kind of battle, bot fight. They'll work it out though. I have no doubt. We're going to talk a little bit about Google's experiment, but let's start off with the headlines. Reuters reports security researchers at BAE Systems say attackers broke into the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications, called SWIFT, not to be confused with the programming language SWIFT. The financial platform called SWIFT was broken into in order to steal $81 million from Bangladesh's central bank. SWIFT is a cooperative that's owned by 3,000 financial industry institutions and used by 11,000. It issued a patch Monday to thwart the malware called evitdiag.exe, which targeted the client software. Although SWIFT said there really wasn't anything wrong except people not following good safety precautions because all the malware does is hide its tracks so that you don't notice what it's doing when it transfers things around. BAE says it was specifically written to compromise Bangladesh's system preventing detection of illegal transfers. Yeah, SWIFT is kind of like when you send a, I've seen it before on banks. You have like a SWIFT number and that's how you can transfer money from one institution to another. Yeah. And so essentially if I understand that what this malware was doing was making transfers and then hiding it from the logs so no one noticed and then also delaying incoming money so that it could shuttle it around and people not know anything that it had come in as well. It's pretty clever. Pretty clever. $81 million clever. Diabolical. Reddit user thewiseyoda noticed an option flash on screen when settings first loaded on Chrome OS reading, quote, enable Android apps to run on your Chromebook. The app runtime for Chrome has allowed select developers to port apps over. The wiseyoda however looked into the Chrome source code, the Chrome OS source code, and found that strings starting at line 6522 say description of the opt-in dialogue for Android apps and, quote, choose from over a million apps and games on Google Play to install dot dot dot. The message is named arc opt-in referring to app runtime for Chrome. Yeah. So he's actually found a reference in Chrome that would say, oh, we're not just doing the select apps anymore. We're going to just open up the entire Google Play Store to be used on Chrome OS. Google's not talking, but it's sitting right there. You could still go to the Google GitHub page and look at the message. They have not removed it. So I think it's coming and Google just is like, we're not going to confirm it until we're ready to launch it. But why pull it out of the code? You found it okay. Fine. Yeah, I was going to say sloppy and then I'm like, well, or tantalizing. Maybe. Maybe it was meant to get us all talking. To titillate. I guess the Chrome App Store has been sort of moribund lately. So this would maybe suggest that the Google Play Store would take over handling apps on Chrome OS. And also that constant rumor about whether these two things are going to merge Chrome OS and Android. Yeah, which would make sense, I think. Microsoft's Wordflow keyboard is now available free for the iPhone. Macworld reports the iPhone version of Wordflow comes with a unique one-handed typing mode using a fanning keyboard that pops out from the bottom corner plus the ability to change backgrounds. iPhone users can download the keyboard from the App Store. People are going crazy. They love it. Well, and one-handed typing always causes snickers among some people. But if you're trying to carry something and type at the same time, oftentimes you will drop your phone if you attempt that or you just don't attempt that. So this kind of would allow you to do that. A little bit of like Swift keyboard. Another use of Swift. Another use of Swift, yes. But that was a great keyboard. And a lot of people are saying the Wordflow keyboard is excellent too. People who've used it on other platforms. So exciting, I guess, for the iOS crowd now. Yeah. Logitech transformed 160 G810 color backlit gaming keyboards into a wall display for PAX East. The great wall of Logitech G was used to show event-related messages and images, including a side-scrolling shooter mock-up from IM8 bit. Each pixel was represented by a backlit key that could be programmed to show a unique RGB color. So cute. Exactly. There's really nothing. I mean, this is not hard to do. And it's really nothing like extremely crazy. It's certainly good press for Logitech, but it was just fun. Oh, and enjoying looking at it. Stoic Scroll reminds me that it was Swift Key was the keyboard, not Swift Keyboard. So thank you. Real-time corrections. I love it. That's why we have a hive mind in chat. That is why Bellbot is going to be so much smarter after being... So smart. Motherboard notes that DARPA, the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Project Agency, they're most famous for making the internet. They also challenge folks to make autonomous cars possible. So they've got another request. They want help building a decentralized blockchain-like encrypted messaging service. The platform would need to, from the request, quote, act as the transport for a cryptographically sound record of all transactions. Phase three of the project requires perfect forward and backward security and one-time eyes-only messages. This is meant for military communications, but they say they would make it commercially available if it gets done. The idea is saying, we want to use a blockchain that logs everything, but then use cryptography to make sure that only the people who are supposed to be seeing the log can see it. So spies can't get in and look at the metadata. And that every message would be cryptographically sound end-to-end so nobody could intercept them. Ooh, that's pretty cool. And immediately, a lot of you are going to think, yeah, because it's the defense department that's doing this, we know there'll be a backdoor. There is no backdoor. This is the opposite of a backdoor. They're asking for something that would have no backdoor. And a lot of times what DARPA does is they open source or make code available when they develop a project, which would allow people to make their own implementations possibly someday. That's really cool. Yeah, I love that they're opening it up in a way. Well, it's both completely closed down and completely opened up as well. It would be illegal to run this under the Feinstein bill should that eventually ever become a law because there would be no way for the source to decrypt certain messages on it, depending on how it's implemented, I guess. All right. Well, Handelsplat reports that sources say, I can never say this company's name, Daimler? That's like Neil Gaiman. Okay. Sources say Daimler and BMW have ended talks with Apple over teaming up on an electric car. Supposedly the companies could not agree on project leadership and data ownership. The BMW talks ended last year and the Daimler discussions more recently. Apple is supposedly looking for a manufacturing partner. Canadian Austrian firm Magna is believed to be the frontrunner currently. Yeah. So again, this is a source to say, but I think it's pretty apparent that Apple's doing something with cars. They've hired a lot of people who are experts at cars and that's not a rumor. And it would make sense to me if they wanted to partner with an existing automaker to do the actual manufacturing. It would also be absolutely true that we could see a problem where they would not want to hand over the data to the manufacturer and the manufacturer would say, oh, no, opposite. We actually do not want to share the data with you. That's one of the reasons Apple's had a problem launching a television service. Yeah. I'm a little bummed out because I thought the BMW thing was a very early discussion that I think people were bouncing around a little bit. And I thought that would be kind of a cool, cool partnership. I'd still, you know, maybe this could be the thing that brings VW back into the public's good graces to partner up with them. They need some money. Sure. VW is like, yeah, you want data, project leadership, whatever. That's fine. People not hate us. Yeah, exactly. Can we work on that? Yeah. On April 14th, security researcher Chris Vickery discovered a database of voter information for 87 million Mexican voters unprotected on an Amazon web services instance. This is Vickery's job to go around and look for open databases. Vickery had difficulty notifying authorities. So he mentioned the discovery in a talk at Harvard last week and a journalist in the audience helped him inform the Mexican National Electoral Institute. Data has been taken offline and an investigation has been launched. Another person in the audience at that talk was able to confirm that it in fact was a real electoral database as well because they looked in and found their father's address and they're like, oh yeah, no, that's for real. That's real. That's scary stuff. Yeah. And it is unclear now how it got there. The Mexican Electoral Commission says, we have not been hacked. We have no evidence that we've been hacked. So that would kind of imply that maybe someone put it there who works at the commission and they weren't supposed to. They just like, oh, let's just store this over here on AWS. And it was not properly protected. Yeah, I wonder if they were like, well, guess we should have used Dropbox. Right? Like, yeah, no. You're supposed to, yeah. Anyway, they have taken steps to remove it and to provide encrypted access to it, secure access to it. But pretty, I mean, 87 million voters information out there. And this is the kind of thing that they point out in the BBC story and a few other stories. This is the kind of thing that leads to people being called and told that they've got a virus on their machine. And then they end up installing malware because of the phone call and stuff like that. Exactly. You just don't want that. Yeah, exactly. If you still doubt eSports rise in prominence, here's a sad indicator. It has arrived. Pro Starcraft 2 players Life and Bebe Yong have been charged with receiving 70 million won and 30 million won respectively in order to throw matches. South Korean authorities have charged eight additional people in connection with the case. The BBC notes that Eilor's research estimates eSports betting will exceed 23 billion in the next four years. Yeah, this is a big scandal, I guess is the right name for it. This is the Black Sox scandal of Starcraft 2. It's not the first time there has been this kind of situation in eSports, but this is a fairly huge one. And a lot of money. You can talk about 100 million won changing hands here. A lot of money changing hands. That's right. Exactly what I was going to say. Which I mean, that's how a sport, one of the markers of a sport, maturing into popular is a popular enough for people to try to fix it and make some money off of it, sadly. But there you go. Yeah, even if it was even if it was $1 billion, even if it was a million dollars, people would still probably be trying to fix matches because that's just how apparently the human race works. Yeah, well, you see a big pile of money and you want to cut of it. That's one way to try to get it. Representatives of Teamsters Joint Council 7 have announced plans to create an association in California for ride sharing workers like Uber drivers. They particularly mentioned that Uber drivers have approached them. Some drivers approach the Teamsters seeking help negotiating for benefits or a dispute resolution, legal and tax services, et cetera. The Teamsters have already created an app based Drivers Association in Seattle. Independent contractors, however, are not allowed to unionize in the United States, but the status of drivers is being disputed. So there's actually a lawsuit between the city of Seattle and the National Labor Relations Board in the U.S. over whether Seattle broke federal rules by allowing the app drivers union to be created in the city of Seattle because there's because the National Labor Relations Board is saying, well, they're supposedly independent contractors, so you can't do that. And Seattle's saying, they don't seem like independent contractors to us. So that whole debate is having even more implications and now spreading to California and Massachusetts as we heard last week. Yeah, there'll be some implications from that for sure. Some trickle down effects of that moving forward, setting weird precedents. I was more curious about the new Uber deal about allowing drivers to solicit tips. Because that changes everything in a lot of ways. And I wish they would kind of implement something the way that Lyft does where you have the option to tip in the app, because now it's going to cause some uncomfortable situations where Uber drivers are going to be like, so tip me. And they're like, what? So yeah, first of all, problems to be sure, but it is a weird etiquette situation going on in here now. Yeah. Shannon and I were talking about it on Friday and it's almost enough to make me want to use Lyft instead of Lyft. Yeah. No, I already plan on using Lyft a lot more now. It's the drivers tend to, even though a lot of the same drivers drive for both companies, I always feel like I have a nicer experience with Lyft. I don't know why. Anecdotal, but interesting. Yeah. Very anecdotal. Oh, it's my turn. How about id software? I was checking out what Bellbot's doing over in the chat room. She's asking people what color is a rose now again, because no matter how many times people tell her, she doesn't seem to stick. id Software co-founder John Romero announced a Kickstarter for the first project from his night work game studio. Blackroom will be a first person shooter set in a quote holographic simulation gone rogue playable in single player or multiplayer modes. Guitarist George Lynch will provide the soundtrack. Adrian Carmack will be the art director and launches targeted for late 2018. If the $700,000 goal is reached designer of Wolfenstein, right? Gotta be dear to your heart. I grew up listening to Dawkins. So George Lynch, obviously dear to my heart, this is a pretty cool project. Yeah, that's a lot of money, but it takes a lot of money to make a video game. It's not even that much money. I'll be honest, I looked at this and having seen these million dollar video game kick starters before I looked at this and said, really? That's all they need to get started? Wow. Like I think it's maybe the difference of somebody who is actually running a game studio and knows that they can make a video game and sell it and make money. So they really want the Kickstarter as much to get promotion out there as to provide a little bit of security and getting the game off the ground. Finally, a couple of Wall Street Journal rumors out there. Wall Street Journal has sources today saying that Apple will add network connectivity to its next watch and that Facebook is developing a camera app for live streaming video. That's having sense. Yeah, both those things make make perfect sense. And I guess we'll keep an eye out and find out if they become true. Thanks to all those who submitted things we used from our subreddit. We definitely appreciate it. Submit your stories and vote on the stories that others have submitted. That's even the easier thing to do at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. And that is a look at the headlines. All right. So we mentioned this top of the show. The information is reporting that Google is starting something called Area 120. They say this was announced at an all hands meeting last week. And I should no joking disclose that my wife listens to those all hands meetings, but she doesn't tell me anything. We have an entire source and we just need confirmation that this thing happened. Yeah. No, she doesn't. She follows her company's edicts all too well. Good people. Good people. I know. But apparently someone else didn't and told the information that Area 120 will be a startup incubator for Google employees. The idea is that Don Harrison, who's vice president of corporate development, he has presided over Google's acquisitions like DoubleClick, Motorola, you know. Little things. Yeah, little things like that. Down Harrison and Bradley Horowitz, who is currently VP of Streams, Photos and Sharing at Google, but also has a history of running hack days back when he was at Yahoo, starting Yahoo Research Berkeley, the Brick House Incubator. He was involved with Dropcam and Slack as an investor. And I think he still is. So those two guys are going to run this. A guy who's very into hacks and incubation and a guy who is very into the legal aspect of startups are going to have teams submit a business plan to apply to say, Hey, instead of doing our Google job, we want to work full time on our idea for a few months. They'll get a few months to put together a product. And at the end, they will pitch Google for additional funding to create a new company. And if Google approves, Google will invest in that company and let them start their company. Area 120 would be located in one of Google's San Francisco office buildings. And the information sources say it was presented at that all hands meeting, like I said. So we're talking about Google saying, we don't want you to quit and go run a startup. We want you to run a startup for a couple months and see if we can get something out of it. And if we can't, then you can, I guess, then you can quit and go run your startup. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure what happens after that point. Maybe your startup gets absorbed into Alphabet somewhere. Maybe it gets acquired. Maybe you stay at Google forever. And that's just where you live now. Yeah, who knows. But I am also curious to know how this all fits into the Google capital, Google Ventures ecosystem, and how this all flows back and forth. I think the money was coming directly from Alphabet from this? I'm not sure. Well, you don't really know where the money is coming from. And I didn't see whether it said for sure. But it seems like it's a Google thing, not an Alphabet thing. But I imagine that if something fit the bill, that once they pitch it, Google might say, actually, what we're going to do is make this an Alphabet company. That would be easy enough for them to do the way they've structured the company. And that's one of the advantages of reorganizing as Alphabet is you don't have to, you can now do this and you have an infrastructure that can take startups and put them under the Alphabet company without impacting Google's bottom line. Before, it would have been like, well, do we want to do this? Because if a bunch of them fail, it's really going to hurt the Google PNL. But now it won't. Right. And also, they have the advantage of being early investors in these potential companies. So if they do leave and launch and are successful, then they haven't lost anything. They've only gained. Maybe they've lost an employee, but they've also gained a substantial stake in a potentially successful venture. And that's the other thing is I wonder how many people are going to take this. I'm sure people will. But if I have a really rock solid idea, it's not hard if I work down in the peninsula to find an investor and I will then own the idea, right? I wouldn't say it's not hard, Tom. Like that is the hardest part is finding an investor. I guess it's not hard to find an investor to pitch. Yeah. Oh, no, you can pitch till the cows come home. I'm not saying it's not hard to find the money. I'm saying like I can go take meetings with people. I don't need that part to be easy. And Google's not promising to give you money. They're just promising to give you a couple of months. I guess that's probably work with their team. Yeah. They get an opportunity to work with teams. They probably get a lot of great advisors and people helping them on their projects. They've got the infrastructure of Google to assist them. So there's a lot of benefit to that as well. But yeah, the IP idea and the fact that Google would probably own a substantial portion of your new company might bother some people. Yeah. That's an interesting part that I would want to know more. And obviously we're basing this on someone reporting from in all hands. It's not an official announcement. But what happens to that intellectual property if Google turns it down? Because normally what you do if you have a startup idea and you work for a company like Google is you make sure that you develop it at home on your own equipment. On your own time. So that you can, so that the company you work for has no vested interest in claiming or no, not a vested interest. No legal standing. No legal standing to claim that they own that, right? And if you are saying, oh, okay, I'm going to get my company to agree to give me two months to work at their campus in San Francisco. And even if they turn it down, does that prevent you from then taking it and going and doing it on your own? Or is there some legal paperwork that says, okay, we've turned down the idea and it's still all yours. Because then if you get turned down, you risk losing that person because they might say, well, I still think I can go make this work. Yeah. At the end of the day, they kind of have to weigh the pros and cons of staying at the mothership and building that thing there or taking it on the road. They can't keep you there, certainly. So if you want to leave, they could claim an interest in it, which is sort of like, I mean, you pitch and they're like, no, we don't want that. And you're like, great, I'm going to quit. They're like, we own it. We don't want it, but we own it because we worked here. Like that wouldn't work. So there must be some kind of arrangement for that. But it is interesting. Like you said earlier, it's an interesting way of saying, breakfast, daycare, dry cleaning, startup incubation, there's no need to ever leave the campus. You can do it all right here. Yeah, you live here now. It's a little unnerving, I think. But this is probably a huge problem for them. They are getting the smartest and brightest minds in the country, in the world to come work at Google and to Alphabet. And eventually, those people are going to get a taste of living in Silicon Valley and knowing what it's like to have an opportunity to start something completely new. And they're surrounded by other smart brilliant people who might want to do the same things. So the temptation there is very strong for them to jump ship and start anew using those connections and contacts that they've made at their time at Google. And there's a lot of former Googlers out there in the world, in the VC world, in the entrepreneurial world. And I can understand why a young person or not necessarily even a young person would be like, okay, I'm ready to take a chance. And Google is a pretty, you're probably making decent money. You probably hopefully have saved some stuff unless you're living in the city. And so you take that opportunity to spread your wings. But so I see why. I definitely understand why Google is saying, well, build it here. Stay, stay at the mothership. Let's build this together. Use our resources. Use our money. Join the incubator. So we'll see. And if you're out there saying, why would anyone do this? You want to own your own ID? Get out of there and own it all yourself. The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter if a lot of people still think that way. Google has very little harm in setting this up and saying, hey, you know what, here's an opportunity for those of you who don't want to go pound the pavement and do this all yourself. This mitigates the risk a little and it keeps you in friendly confines. You may know these people that you're pitching to and you may trust them and respect them and want them to approve this. So it will, at least I think Google's intention is that it would allow people to try an idea that they might not otherwise risk because they want to keep their safe paycheck. Indeed. All right. Let's get to our pick of the day from Dave in two damn sunny and not enough rainy Los Angeles. I second that emotion. He was listening to the discussion about the upcoming Tesla Model 3 and suggests a more immediate all-electric solution to those who might not want to wait one and a half plus years to get an all-electric vehicle. Dave says, get a used Nissan Leaf. Now, here's why. And he's got, he notes the downsides. Dave says, we bought a 2013 Nissan Leaf SV last year. Couldn't be happier. EVs were relatively new to the popular market. Many were leased. And now all those leased vehicles are for sale causing a glut on the market because of their limited range. Most have very low mileage, often under 20,000 miles. A quick scan of cars.com shows that prices are still low with some very nice models available for less than $10,000 or less than a third of what a Model 3 costs you. Now, limited range means you need to plan your trips. It also means that it's best as a second vehicle, not a main vehicle. He says, also, I recommend the 2013 SL or SV. Those models have the faster four hour charger. But if those concerns aren't deal killers for you, if you're like, yeah, I need it as a second car, that is an interesting and very compelling at $10,000 possible way to go. It's ugly. It's an ugly car. You just know you're like, I don't care. I don't care if it's $10,000. Hey, pretty. Because, man, $10,000. Now, you're talking about something that's in what the range of what I will be willing to pay for the car. Yeah. Well, you know, honestly, we're thinking of selling both cars, one electric, one diesel, and going with a hybrid until the time when we can do a Model 3 and when electric vehicles are easier to have as the only car in your home. I think we don't want to have to rely on having electric only at our house right now if we want to take a road trip and there's no superchargers or charging stations anywhere. You kind of have to make that choice. So I think that is a good option and that's the right price. That's a very good price point for sure if you're able to do an electric vehicle. Thank you, Dave. Send your picks to us, folks, feedback at DailyTechNewShow.com. You can find more picks at DailyTechNewShow.com slash picks. A few messages of the day. Larry, the RN in Flagstaff's Medical Center, says, I am an operating room nurse and support the DaVinci robot that you mentioned on the show on a regular basis. The fallacy most people have about the robot is that it's autonomous, it's not. A doctor, a first assist, and a scrub tech or scrub nurse are needed to use it. The doctor has total control at all times. The robot cannot do anything on its own. Think of it as a power suit. You strap it on and immerse yourself in the surgery. Second issue is the cost of the surgery compared to normal open or laparoscopic surgery. The way DaVinci makes its money is on consumables. You're able to use their instruments only a certain number of times regardless if it's still usable or not, much like ink on an inkjet printer. Third, a surgeon can do an apodectomy in about 15 to 20 minutes laparoscopically. And yes, I've seen surgeons do the same with the robot, but the cost is about three times to do it. The robot shines on prostatectomies and nephrectomies removing the kidney. You have three degrees of freedom and can dissect out the nerves and blood vessels. The more complicated and involved the surgery, the better the use of the robot. And as we mentioned in the story last week, hernia surgeries are apparently very popular with it. But for everyday procedures, Larry says, the DaVinci is not that practical. I can't believe that it works on the inkjet model of like, oh, no, you got to buy more attachments. Got to buy more razor blades. Sorry. Oh, I hate that. That's the worst. Moving on, Brian is a sequel developer who moved to Indianapolis and began driving for Uber and Lyft while he looked for a job. He says, I like having the flexibility of being an independent contractor so that I could take job interviews. I didn't have to ask someone's permission to take time off. I have received the job offer and I'm happy that since this was a short term quote job, I don't have to leave a two week notice with an employer that I was only employed for by six months. I just hope that if the lawsuit goes in the driver's favor that they don't force all drivers to become employees, that drivers are given a choice in the matter. And of course, as we mentioned, the lawsuit was settled out of court. So there is no more active suit there, but there are plenty of other suits. And I think that's what he's referring to. This is going to take legislation. I have a feeling that's kind of what we talked about on Friday. But it's a really good point to say, I don't have to give two weeks notice, I got a job, I can take it, I can just stop driving. And the thing is, because if you consider it an independent contractor position, he can keep driving for Uber. As long as a sequel job doesn't care about him, you know, it's a non competitive job, he can decide like some Saturday, oh, I'm not, I don't have much going on. I'll make a little extra cash. Or if he gets a surge pricing notification, he can jump in to help do that. That's the flexibility that's really nice with that kind of thing. Thanks for writing, Brian. I know Sakane, who's a regular listener of the show, has some thoughts on this as well, because he is a driver for delivery trucks. We had him on the show back in December, as well as being able to do the driving on Uber. And he likes that flexibility, but he's like, it's tight. You have to work hard to make money at it still. That's one of the big problems. Finally, we got Brett in the Windy City said, I wanted to email in some brief feedback on your tip to discussion today. I emailed in earlier this year about the article I wrote during my school's shooting. I've been in college for a few years now, though I work near full time hours on the fiver in lieu of a traditional college job. It's been wonderful for me. I do work that actually adds to my portfolio. Instead of standing behind a food counter or the like, I make more than a job like that would pay me, and I have the convenience to do it on my schedule. But fiver can be fickle. If a buyer doesn't order any extras on a gig, you may be working within the realm of minimum wage or just under it. Until last year, sellers had no way to accept tips. So they'd make custom orders specifically for clients who requested to tip them. As a result of this, there was an atmosphere of no tip needed on the site similar to Uber. In the last year, a successful order ends with the ability to put an optional tip for the seller. About one-fifth of clients I have do this, and it's greatly appreciated, especially if it was a smaller order with less yield for me. For context, I write press releases and create press kits and content for independent bands and artists. I just finished with my 850th client this week and do about 15 to 20 of them a week. Cool. So there you go. I like that he's saying, it was kind of janky to get tips from people before, but now that it's easy, I don't feel like I have to go out of my way to try to inform people how to give them to me, and I still get 20%, one out of every five people giving me one. We had a few people from overseas write about how the tipping culture in the United States is just weird, and in Japan, for instance, it's considered rude to try to offer a tip. Other places, it's definitely unnecessary, although it might be appreciated in certain instances. So the whole tipping culture is weird worldwide, but here in the United States, the economy and the amount that people are paid is often based on that. Yes, it is tricky, and whenever I travel anywhere in the world, I always look up online exactly what the tipping culture there is, because you don't want to be that guy that messes it up. Well, and that's the thing, right? I hate when I get to a country where they're like, tipping is accepted but not required. I'm like, well, wait a minute, does that mean I'm the jerk if I don't tip? Yeah. Or I'm just the superstar if I do tip. Like no one's going to come after you and murder you if you don't tip in the United States, but for most things, it's expected. Yeah, exactly. And yet, you say for most things, and we did have a couple of listeners point out, it's not every low-wage job we're tipping is acceptable. So it's kind of weird that you tip certain low-wage jobs, but not others. Like why don't you tip the people that clean up your counters at the food court? That's a low-wage job. And it's like, well, that's just not, that hasn't been the culture. It's interesting. Yeah. Thank you, Veronica Belmont, for joining us. What you got going on? Oh, just monitoring Belmont. Apparently now she's being a poll pot apologist. Thanks, chat room. Oh my gosh. I can edit that by the way, guys. So yeah, I'm probably going to have to go. I'm going to have to edit that. You know, that's how you learn as a bot. We all learn. Exactly. We all learn about bots. Thank you, Veronica. Follow her on Twitter, Twitter.com slash Veronica. And find her here most Mondays. Listen to Sword and Laser, right? SwordandLaser.com. SwordandLaser.com. Check it out. Good times. Check it out. On Sword and Laser, I'll be talking a little more about my book, PilotX, InkShares.com. That's right. If you're interested, go to InkShares.com, search PilotX. Thanks to everybody who supports the show, dailytechnewshow.com slash support. We exist because you want us to. The more you want us to exist, the more we will. We're sending Justin Robert Young to the collision conference this week to get some interviews. And the reason we're able to do that is the people on PayPal. I was explaining to somebody this on email today. Patreon.com slash DTNS is the way we're able to fund the show on a daily basis. That's how we budget. That's how we know how much we have to do the show. If you give to us through PayPal, which a lot of people prefer to do, that is the money that we can count on to do special things. So if you're like, wait, why doesn't my PayPal thing count towards the milestone? To be frank, we don't get enough yet for it to really make a difference. So we consider it our capital expenditures budget. If we want to do something fun, like send Justin to the collision conference, we pull from that pot. I didn't mean to say. This is how humans learn too. You hear something enough time just preparing it back. But anyway, so any way you can support the show, even if it's just telling people about it or reviewing it on iTunes or some other podcast directory helps us. Thank you so much for your support. DailyTechnewshow.com slash support. Stick around on the audio podcast for an episode from the latest medical minute with Kiran about tech to combat drug-resistant cancer. There's a chip that can combat drug resistance and cancer treatments. You can also find that in the treasure chest available to patrons at the $5 and up level. Our email address is feedback at DailyTechnewshow.com. Give us a call 51259 Daily. Catch the show live Monday through Friday at 4.30 p.m. Eastern at alphageedradio.com and at DiamondTheClub.tv. And visit our website DailyTechnewshow.com. Back tomorrow with Lamar Wilson. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. I understand but I'm not sure what my Twitter is. I guess that means you don't understand. I know Twitter is a thing. She answered literally. They asked her what's the weather and she says the short-term state of the atmosphere at a specific time and place, including the temperature, humidity, cloud cover, precipitation, wind, etc. That's amazing. So good. Good show. Yeah, sorry. It is very easy to get distracted when there's a bot around. And then someone knocked on my door. I don't know if you heard that. I definitely heard that. Yeah. So hold on. I'm going to see if there was something. Package, probably. Third is how body is formed. And let me see. Chrome OS pays. Bellbot is going to be much smarter. Swift not to be confused with Taylor Swift or other Swift's trucking company. Swift on security is funny because that's... Swift on security. I don't think anyone will get that outside of... I get it. I follow Swift on security. Apple, baby. What can't Titles? Titles. Tipping tip. Tipping such a weird amalgam of things. But I used to make so much in tips. I would hate to see it go. Oh yeah. My friends who tended bar, they made a lot of money. And their wages at the time were like $2 an hour. But they made so much in tips, especially when you're pretending to be in a bar. Have a couple drinks. I hardly ever made money as a cocktail waitress. Yeah. Cocktail waitress is different than tending bar. Yeah. People don't remember to tip as much. When I was busing at the oligarch, I made like $90 to $100 a night in busing tables. I didn't make bad tips when I was pizza delivery. Every once in a while, there'd be somebody who wouldn't tip. That's like the classic. It would be like one out of 10 people wouldn't tip for pizza delivery. Those people always wanted exact change, too. It was like, you know, I could just give them five back, but they're like, no, it's $5.13. I'm like, fine. Don't tip cows. Tipping cows is very poor behavior. Also, it's kind of a myth. It's not easy. Cows are like multi-hundred pound animals. Not to mention you break the cow's leg. You're liable for a lot of money. You're beaten hamburger. That and you're being a jerk. Just leave the animal alone. Yeah, leave the animal alone. That's the important one. Did you guys pick a title? Swift on security with Swift all in caps. Yeah. Swift all in caps. Sure. I like it. Well done, bio cow. I guess she left the chat room. We won't be tipping. Where'd she go? I don't know. Did she go into another chat room? Yeah, she left. She left the channel. What? Oh, there's probably a timeout built in so that it doesn't just stay all day. What's that? What's the IRC again? I can never remember it. IRC.chatroom.net? Chatroom. Or dtns.tv. IRC.dtns.tv works, too. A bot is already listening on that channel. I guess she's still there. I don't know how to. Message her. I don't know how to get her out. Oh, no, it's hard to see. Well, I can technically I can kick her out. So wait a minute, because you have voice. Yeah. If this is how Skynet starts, we can blame Veronica. Yeah, right. It started. Thanks, Veronica, for ending humanity. Sorry. By the way, it was poop bags from Amazon. That's what the person knocked at the door. Wait, poop bags? Yeah, dog poop bags. Oh, I get the diaper bags from Amazon. It's for the diaper. Similar. Well, it's multi-use. I use it all week, because I cram dirty diapers in it. I mean, it is a bag for poop to go in, in both cases. When Ellie's older, I'm going to draw a face on it, like it's eating her dirty diapers. Oh, someone, she got booted. Wait, your bell bot or bio? Oh, was she violating the rules? She must have said something. It says bell bot left the chat room, quit, goodbye. It doesn't say she got booted. I got, I don't remember if that's the boot. Yeah, I got IRC profanity, offensive sexual content is not permitted. I see the chat logs. Dr. Payne did, jerk. Dr. Payne. Remember, I can boot you. Maybe that was pull pot. Okay, ops, don't start booting each other. Come on. Oh, well, they broke it. They broke it spirit to live. And now what the bell bot has learned from this is humanity cannot be trusted. Dr. Payne's like, wait, what? Sorry. Can't take you anywhere, can't wait. Sorry. This happens two weeks away from a mic. You're all lewd. You talk like a settler. I'm sorry, bell belt. Maybe you, maybe you should take a macrame. I don't even know where, I don't even have time code on that because I'm not recording. Well, that's good, right? Well, no, because this goes into the on-demand video. Darn it. Sorry. We'll just go back to the time code now and then go back and edit it. I can't do it now. I have to wait till we stop broadcasting and then it has to go in and do its thing. I'm sorry. I'm a horrible person. Roger has to take it out. Oh, and then I have to take it out. Okay. All right. You don't have to, jeez-ho-bee-zo. You're going to tell me to f off, aren't you? No. I can't get her out of this channel. Now it says she's not in the channel. She's caught between worlds. She is. I don't know how to get her out. What? Maybe you could leap on the next sleep. Can I leave? Can I quit her? Can I kick her? I can't quit you. Broke that bot. Broke that bot. Broke bot, man. I can't quit you. Really, I can't. I pulled up the terminal. Okay. Uploading. Shinogo says, and now we know where Bellbot gets it. BioCal says 44.5 minutes in. Oh, thank you. 44 and a half. Good. Sorry, guys. So should I download it? So I download it, delete it, and then re-upload? Yeah. Okay. Or you could wait until, actually, you could wait until I snip it in YouTube. I think if you download it after I do that, then it will download with my snip. Oh, perfect. It's the belt incident. Broke at the belter. See, people said, oh yeah, we love the post show. Look what happened. Broke what happened? Well, I can't get her back. Oh yeah, archive.org was down earlier. Is it back? Yes, it's back. Yay. You can't retrieve Bellbot. She's still stuck. Yeah, she's not in the IRC, but she's also not able to rejoin the IRC. A bot is already listening on that channel. Only one bot is allowed per channel. Maybe because she got booted. She didn't. They said that she didn't get booted. Maybe she just left. Maybe it's just a bug. Yeah, this bot lead break can be a little weird sometimes. Because she definitely left the channel. I see the goodbye message. Oh, well, next time. Look, Eric just emailed pre and post show talks. I was overjoyed when I found that you still have podcasts. As much as I love your shows, I do not like them. Oh, there's our first one. I do not like the pre and post talks. I usually skip them. All right. Okay. Good to know. Nothing is ever unanimous. Every one of them had been positive. So I'm like, oh, I'm going to read this one. Oh, wait. This is the first one that says no. I'm glad that he was overjoyed though. That's good. He will never hear this because he's given us a post show. Almost done. I have to say, I went to Universal Theme Park. Eileen made us go and it was fun. It was a good idea. You had fun. That's what's important. Harry Potter part of the park is amazing. Very well done. Butter beer is delicious. Oh, I did see your butter beer picture. That was cute. Is it actual beer? No. It's like a butterscotch cream soda. And frozen is even better than regular. They're both good. Oh, like you can also get beer at the three broomsticks. They have their own craft brew. I don't know. They won't, they say it's made just for them. I don't know who makes it, but that was really good. The other thing that was amazing was the Waterworld theme park, the Waterworld show, which we went to ironically, but it's a great stunt show. Like the plot's still Waterworld, so don't expect anything more than what you would expect. Is it a musical? No, it's just a total stuntman show, like dives and burning planes. I saw that in Japan and like at the Universal Studios in Osaka. And I have to say, I was really impressed. I expected actually a bunch of Japanese stuntmen, but it was actually half and half. It was half Japanese and half smattering of white and black people doing the routines. It was really good. I was like, whoa. Normally, I remember seeing the Batman stunt show as a kid and I was like, yeah, it's all right, I guess. They threw a plane over the wall at one point and it landed in the water and burst into flames. Nice. Good stuff. I like it when they do it with water, because then you get to feel it. Yeah. Well, before the show, they have the splash show and they're like, you are going to get wet if you sit in the green seats. And to emphasize it, they walk around with buckets and threw them on people. You know, that's what SeaWorld could totally do once the whale tanks and dolphins, you know, after all the ones they do have passive old age, hopefully, they can just do like this huge connected stunt show. Or what my wife hopes is to them to turn it into like a water park. Can you imagine a water park where you have that like super deep water, but you still have the glass and you could like face out? All right. Sorry, I was distracted because we're done. Everything's uploaded. Yay. Thanks everyone. Sorry again. That's okay. We're felping. Talk to y'all later.