 Wel, wel, wel, wel, welcome back. My name is Ramagukko. This is why in the morning, remember we are coming to you live from the broadcasting house here in Nairobi, Kenya streaming live through our website that is www.kbc.co.ke4 slash y254. Engage with us, we value your feedback. We shall be giving you our handles in a bit. But in this particular Monday conversation, today we want to talk about art and specifically, as you can see right there on your screen as we talk about art, we want to talk about how art can be used to, you know, pass a message, the art of wordings, how can we pass a message through poetry, right? The art of words, poetry. Today is world poets day and of course to commemorate this particular occasion on world's poetry day, we have posted a question on our social media handle and that is on Facebook where to meku Lisa ni Mr. Egani and by Imiwaiku Kuvrutasana, head of art of Facebook, page pilot is Mr. Egani Ushai Tupiwa, aw kutupa, okay, how do you manyewe wukabambika wukasema? That's nice, that's nice. Ni Mr. Egani, what are those words of poetry that have attracted you? Maybe you've said to somebody or somebody has said to you, go to our Facebook page and show that you like the page, follow us on our Facebook page there and drop a comment on that comment section. I shall sample your feedback in a few minutes during this particular conversation. But ladies and gentlemen, today in this conversation, the ashrag is why in the morning at Ramaguko and at Y254 Channel is where you can be able to find us at Steph, that is my colleague's handle, is where you can be able to find us as Steph Ayeta is her handle. And of course to help us in this conversation, we now wanna work ladies, the queens joining me today, Kairusana. Thank you. Next to me is Divleem Kirimi. Thank you so much Divleem for coming. Thank you. And of course Steph is joining me in this conversation. Steph, thank you so much. Thank you. So, ladies, you know, muna biawa. But I'm told also that is also say the words. Well, yes. We do. Yes? Yes. A lady can also choose to text a guy and say something on there, you know what? They're the most handsome feature I've ever seen. You know, you're my moon and my sun. Poetry. But you know, it's not quite common with ladies as much as you know. We are the ones, we are the gender that receives. A lot, like most of the times. But once in a while it's healthy to, you know. It's healthy. Now, but before that, let's talk about on the men's side. Divleem, let me start with you. What are some of those words that someone has spoken to you? If somebody has ever spoken to you and you know, you know, you are not a mystery. On my case really, I can't recall everything. But you know, when someone idolizes you as a woman, you feel great. And you know, words of affirmation too, they really work so well. Especially if that is your love language, you know. When someone is idolizing you at the same time, eh, you know. Yeah. Whatever, whatever. Unasifewa. Unasifewa. At the same time, anakuriashwa that, you are this person that I want constantly and all that. I really feel so nice. Kuna mtua liyambia, mtsuna na mene, you are the only coin in my wallet. Unasifewa liyambia. Unasifewa liyambia. Namshu kupiyamia. Yes, yes, yes. It sounds like you. Ah, ah, my game? Yeah. Ikuhivi. Channelize about it. Give me a hand. No, no. Kata, kutupatia for him. Yeah, so bine, nili samwa siyesi. There is somebody, let me touch on Facebook. This is guy, nili soma ni kacheka. Nili cheka. Let me get that. This is guy who said a very interesting thing that made me laugh. A liyambikaivi. Aha. This is Eric Ngenye. There are two guys. Eric Ngenye said, I think you are tired because you have been running through my mind the whole day. Oh. Okay. Okay. And that's a good note. Wow. Wow. The ladies are impressed. That's my just back. The ladies are impressed. John, Dizzy, Black and Asama, I regret about your past and I apologize that I never came first. I promise I'll be the last person I want to date. All right. Looks like a lady. Dakuroga wuwa. Siyo mende kenendi. Rona ki, usas jami, amegia kwa kidu. Kwa kidu. Thank you. Yeah, but I regret about your past. And I apologize that I never came first. Oh, goodness. That's a good one. You came too late. So you were here again. Yeah. Ulesama, Mr. Degan, umayambio. Weh, neza kumuka saize. But I don't know. You know, sometimes when there are scares in Kenya, like you don't know how to force it or something. I think maybe the common one are you like, was it, are you the son because you light up my world? Yeah. I think I've been told that. You've been told that. At some point in high school, though, kwa kidu, when you go to the function. So now the one that made me laugh was by Lenson K.E. And I said, are you a driver? Because you drive me crazy. That's why you say it. Oh, my God. I'm happy that you're saying it. You put it out so. Yeah, because I am a poet. Oh, yes. She was saying about, telling us about how he used to write poems in high school. Making money for me. Then you have experience in what? Unfortunate. No. When it comes to mystery, it's a mystery. Yes. I don't even know it to me. Yeah. There is I. Which ones? Sese kumuka. Mani, this is a fish. She was your era. During my era. The only lake with the only fish in it. Fish in the lake. That was your era. What do you mean my era? Adaku zesha. My era. Oh, my God. You were in high school. You can't be the same time in the high school. Yes, yes. To sit really pattern like we were told. Those people were saying that it was your time. Well, it was hanga now. Hengizi. Ni ni sasa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only fish in the lake. The only coin in my wallet. The only water in my wallet. The only... Kulikwa na nene something in my wardrobe. Sewers in my wardrobe. The only water. You know, the only beans in my gidezi. Yeah. But when I was younger in high school, I used to make business. So what I would do is kulikwa na isofanki. So what I would do is kulikwa na isofanki. But mostly I would go to school. So you know, school buses in me jamigisana kofild. So before that day, somebody would hire me. Give me a 10 bob at least depending on the workload. 10 shillings. I would draw on this plain paper. Yes. But not right for you. No. I would put some space at the center for you to write your own words. But kukando at the top left corner, whichever corner, I would draw some cartoons. And then I would say something, something poetic or the cartoons. Okay. Yes. So I would make money through that. Funny thing, for me I did calligraphing. The calligraphing, like the name of the guy. Whatever. Yes. Or you write her. You write like your letter. Then I'm going to like write it in a better way. Oh. And I also hand. Ah. So I was the only one sleeping when I was in high school. We will see. As we were saying, I thought I was going to ask my mum to study. So I don't think... Suki. Suki. Suki. Yes. When you write back, you have to also, you know, she has a kama mebe. Put in some lines back. Yes. Yes. So we heard our part. But then I wonder, I wonder, do people mean what they say? Nowadays people are so poor people say big things. It's hard to tell. Ya, matano niki dogo iwi. Yes. Manano makubwa. Ya, you know, say actions speak louder than words. Yes. So when you use too many words, but you know, they're all sweet, you know, sweet nothing. But... Ya, but... And then they don't really add up. You know, so they become useless. But don't you think for a woman whose love language is words of affirmation, definitely she's going to fall for that? I feel like it really depends on someone because if someone really wants to be affirmed through words, ok, mambia, anything she's going to feel nice about it. Yes, I agree, but that will, you know, if you're wewing me maybe, if my love language is affirmation, then they gearbox. But after that, then what? You know, because ladies also want attention. Ya, so you have to be there, you have to show me that you mean what you say. So at the end of the day, it doesn't stop at once. Today, I'm ladies on set, so I will try as much as possible to, you know, go with the flow. So that's... There are these things that ladies like doing, you know, when they meet each other, they, you know, ok, kutana, ata, siya tu ome kwa me kafa if he has belong kuna na, if he has that day, and they're like, yee, kutana, so we... and now they start exchanging in form. What did they tell you? Mimi, my guy told me this, what did your guy tell you? Valentine's came. Where were you taken? Where were you taken? So, what do you mean from Valentine's? My guy did this, aka miyambia, he on Valentine's Day. Don't let these exchange such kind of... Of course they do. Ya. Ya, we do, but you know, as ladies we are very social, more than men, we share a lot with our, you know, our lady friends. So, and to some extent, that also brings pressure if you're in a relationship because you want to show that your man has also done something, your man is romantic, you know, he tells me this words, he does this for me. So, yes, we do share. And that is what brings me to wonder. Have you been in this particular position where your man has said something or maybe somebody else that you know of, but the position is whereby your man has said something and your friend's man has said something, but you feel as if your man has said it. Haito shimboga. Ya hili beshtiako, her man is even more romantic. Romantic? Why am I relating to this? You can relate to it. Well, tell us because I can. It was not something big. It was like we saw a friend, the guy was apologizing to a friend in a very nice way. Then I'm like, mi atanikiko sewa? Oh, I'm so happy. And he was there with me. So, to na samankha, I'm like, what should I do? Sometimes you want them to pick something from you. Nah, I have to make him Look at how people are being treated out here. Do you know the men who apologize with roses and chocolates? Ya, and why? You write a letter, a sweet letter, apologizing and he comes with a flower and chocolate. Wickedness. We can get all this. A lot of poems in Manikwa and they leave cards. The cards, yes. Come over there and some chocolates. We have a card. It was so sweet. I once received a card from a lady. Actually, I do receive from many ladies. But do you say? She said me, I'm not being much. Tell us about some of the life in those cards. No, it's about you. Tell us some of the life you use to and those that you receive. I can't remember. I can't remember exactly the exact words. But what I know is ladies are also romantic. I think for ladies we are more romantic just because we want to give that energy so that we can receive it back. Like, I'll bring you shoes so that next time it's my birthday you'll remember that you need to... But even if I forget, still okay. As long as it's up to you why you don't want it. You need double standards. Double standards. But when I was receiving these cards some cards come on your birthday others come on Christmas day. She said, No, I want it once. Once. I think I'm a special kind of a guy. So I'll get all these cards and you see one particular thing that stood out with all these ladies is they didn't type it. They wrote it. So you can see this is a blue pen a man dika hadia meka jina, ala kia pochini from blah blah blah. So Exo Yeah and it may be realized that even though we talk about man being poetic women can be poetic if they choose to nivenyam kuna kichuangumu. Well, we were born like that. It's a shape that is there. We have to have a balance in this life. So we have to nivenyam kichuangumu. It's just us. I think I provide when it's in spoken spoken word. I love spoken word. So if you're a guy and you can't do it you can take me somewhere in spoken word. Let me give you one. Okay, we shall sample just a bit of what people are saying. The mysteries that are where, where, where. Lily David's anasamai. And of course, I will project. Excuse us. I'm not an organ donor. This sounds nice. But I want to give you my heart. All right. I want to give you my heart. I want to give you the whole world. Do ladies melt when they are told such things? When it comes from the right person you do melt. But when it comes from someone who you're not attracted to it's just one. It's just something. It's just. It's just something. If she doesn't like you no matter what you say. Yeah, it doesn't get to her. Yeah, it doesn't get it. But when it's someone you like or you love you're interested in those words coming even if you're lying they're just thinking. Would you be attracted to somebody who you're not attracted to first but the more they keep talking and sending those words it pulls you. At least like you first if I like you it's so easy to let those words sink in. Even the cards when you read something and you melt it has to be from the right person. They're from the right person. So if a man says those sweet things how should that lady respond when she's not interested? Well, thank you. I appreciate. I appreciate you as a friend. I do thank you. Thank you because why should I lie? Whether your thank you is or thank you thank you that was so thoughtful. Thank you friend. Yeah, when you put it with a friend or other friend. I will friendzone in you. I will be there. But if it's from someone you like you will actually send a signal like this. This is it. And I say why should I lie? because you weren't impatient as a match. That's a lie. Why? Watch it. Yes. Elfanto I don't know what's your story. Yes, I don't know what's your story. I don't know what's your story. I don't know. I don't know. But if it's from someone you like this is a Uganda name and I say why should I lie? because why should I lie? because I don't know. There are some men who are not interested in such poetry. It's not in them. That's where they go wrong. Is it wrong if a man is not good in poetry? You should try. You don't have to be perfect at it. You know you can try. At the Google. Be creative. Come her ways. You will not be the first poetic man they have been there and we have these receipts online. That's tell me I'll be okay. What's the big deal about it? Take it from songs. I don't know. I remember back then back then I wrote on a letter this song. Someone said you drew a cartoon somewhere so I drew a cartoon of a man telling a woman maybe I don't know what love is maybe I'm a fool but I know what I'm thinking and it's all because of you Alexa Alexa play me this song. So man if they cannot get the word what should they do? If you're not creative enough use points that have been there you can't Google I think these things are all over. Because if that's what you feel you're just expressing it using someone else's word but it tells what you feel it should come but some find it hard some men feel like you're being too weak they call it simping but that is not simping? It's not simping but that is toxic masculinity where you want to know what you're thinking about conference because many guys many guys are even saying here that you know that if you have a mystery and you have money it's a truth it's a truth but if you have money there is no need there is no mystery but it is a plus it is a plus it's something especially the emotions that come with it so yeah now let me read another one and I say this is Ndegwa Saidi and I say have you ever loved someone you wish they were the first one you see in the morning when you wake up and the last one you see at night before you sleep have you ever loved someone to an extent that you feel that money is in love crying that money is in love that money is in love that money is in love someone is in love now I want you to tell me what you think about this that's the name yeah okay you have names you have names I like you beautiful girl because for sure you look so palkritjudinas silitaning fetching alluring and exquisite to me whenever I see you I see the reason of being in this earth kwa kwele unanga kama mbalamwezi nakuvuti ya kama uwa lawaridi I don't ever regress to be in love with you please I beg you to give me the space in your heart so that I can occupy it because I promise to love you I don't know why I want to say that is a man from the left side exactly what I was exactly what I was about to say that's what we are man from the left side I believe it palkritjudinas silitating you just tell tell me you are loo without saying it that is it yeah they really know how to use their words it's really my would you say that because now I'm sorry to bring in this particular aspect here but yes Divilina has mentioned it that there are some words that are not from the lake that oh there are some guys from some tribes that are onanga it is true it is true we get some guys but I thought we should not be tribal no, it's not about being tribal it's just how we know Luya associated with food Luya associated with being romantic so who are the guys that are the best mysteries of course, Lexa you know it's the literature truth again but we have others trying others try others try well, we have to think about that you have to think about it we don't have really to say how to get alright, asawa this is Luya seed anasa maivi if my love were an ocean there would be no more land if my love was a desert you would see only sand if my love was a star late at night only light and if my love could grow wings I'd be soaring in flight I had a bird of mimi which you would listen if it was clear to me well that's quite the poem what's a nice one are you touched? are you touched? same words I'm a hard one to crack same words, different reception yep, you are Mr. Ibadu Apula Badu, you are Johnny now, which brings me to wonder some ladies are impressed with some mysteries others are not of course we are different human beings why so and what should men do okay, let me get you straight first some ladies are impressed by some mysteries meaning that I could like some mysteries and not like some because in the same way you liked it but Divlin did not like it we have different ways but they are so touchy in us in a way what gives? basically how we perceive it because we are different as much as we are all ladies we have different ways of what is pleasing to us so what may be pleasing to me is not pleasing to Divlin maybe because she'll feel that fake for me, I feel that's real I think that's just for real I think there are some punchlines that are very cliche so when you tell me I'll not reveal them because maybe I've heard about them somewhere else but you will go with the same punchline to someone else I think one problem with ladies was kweezy wana wami amoja wana kumeka lakitu so but the time we come to Ram Agoko but you are the master I thought you are the master I thought you are the master but you don't like master ame kuja the land has ame kuja ine limuwa all fertilizers have been used on this field there's nothing no effect you must find something find another way to bring it be creative because you will not be the first one to date someone you can but ladies there are so many men so much so that even some mysteries begin to become cliche well not all of them but it depends cliche punchlines use something interesting try to get the unique ones ya skia ya pa kama ini unique uni andi kabe hodare karanja nasama iwi niku na 50 nataka niku pe ma pensia 30 ni bagi 2 ni me ni me I think I'll be I think I'll be influenced on IG what do you think about that some ladies will find that offensive ya I'll not find it offensive I'll laugh about it I think I'll also just laugh about it I'll take you seriously I will not take you seriously there are some mysteries that are too sexual ya no those ones I don't like really because it portrays you as a pavat more than as a lover someone I would want to be with so I know what you want so I won't go for you so how should men go through this what should be the criteria of saving the best the best words because there are different levels in the relationship to use different words so when you you're not in the talking stage you can use now the pavated words because now mezoiana it will be more like even lowering each other but who could talking stage really avoid such things because now it would be very offensive I agree with you it depends what stage in the relationship you're in so if you're in the talking stage well who me with the right lines find the nice lines when the relationship develops then we can advance it's called advanced now is this okay because they're talking about clean clean in quotes clean in quotes have that in mind as I read this andrei light when you wish you were down side do you want me to be in the talking stage ah you're not a fan do you want me to be in the talking stage what do you feel by the Mr Rizaki Swahili we want to go back to the lexas English is more actually than Swahili from my perspective is it easy it's a joke it's a joke it's a joke I can't I can't brown calling I was in a room where I was in bed I was in bed I said I said I was in a room where I was in bed that's a nice one Swahili it can work I will prove otherwise not bad it's a decent one decent one you can propose with that one too take notes people now as you up the it up Dayama Alewa na sama sikuizia kumanga mystery it makes me wonder are we coming to an age where where everything will be said and there will be nothing new on this earth I think we will never feel before you before Utakem say you know Kitambo kuna chapea dem mystery nowadays there is no vibing someone before I think muna patana muna click you don't have really to throw the mysteries you don't have to tell someone you just vibe and you click and you are dating I think that is how she feels and then people do you want me money will talk on behalf of the line I like you where you working how much are you earning where do you stay ok I agree but I think there are some ladies who prefer the traditional way of kukatiwa me personally I would prefer the traditional way where you womb me air into that relationship because I am not impressed by money if you plot your money it doesn't really speak volumes really actually still do you think this transversus age that even a 50 year old can well yes yes try one what I mean is we use you as our subject whatever go to letter F in back a funny experiment but I think they would be very if you try that on a 50 year old they would be very flatten but you know what a checker too it's just a way to make them happy but I don't think it will work unless you know sponsor me as you wrap it up what do you think about the scenario where you received those mysteries on your phone and then your parent comes across them see it's ok it's life it's fine I think for me it's different yeah it should be very embarrassing I don't think I want to try no actually if you receive paragraphs personally I do receive paragraphs so I can imagine that all paragraphs then my mum comes across it embarrassing you've been a chever I think they expect embarrassed they expect that people come of course but for me it's ok remember what time is not on our side so we are playing here but thanks so much Dibleem we want to wrap it up right here on why in the morning will be kind of a final word as we finish so let's skip it why in the morning it's been a great time for my first day in the morning I'm enjoying it and the family so amazing so I'm looking forward to having more conversations in why in the morning alright thanks so much and welcome to the team thank you and of course my name is Ramaguko it has been a pleasure being with you today on this particular Monday morning may God bless you may God bless the work of your hands have a fantastic day