 Amira Hart, thanks so much for your time. The band has started playing in the background but was sold on anyway. I might have you begin by telling us a little bit about your background and how you became involved in this meeting. I'm here because I'm currently the special representative of the Secretary General in Timor-Leste. And since Timor-Leste is now going through the period of transition, I think they felt that my participation here speaking about the experience of transition in Timor-Leste would be useful to the forum. Do you think Amira that transition is given enough attention or is the focus generally all up front? Well, I think that's probably true because I think understanding the concept of transition and how it can impact on the work that a peacekeeping mission was doing and how those gaps will be managed, things like for example just the impact on the local economy of an entire UN peacekeeping mission withdrawing. Those are things that probably haven't been thought of as well and as well thought out as should be. So I think we have an opportunity now in Timor-Leste because of the hindsight of experiences in other countries to make sure that we get it right and that it's done in a smooth way, it's done in an orderly and a planned way to have the least trauma on the local economy and on the local populations and particularly people out in the districts in the rural areas. So then Amira what are the big lessons for organizations like this to learn? Well, in Timor-Leste itself I think Timor-Leste has had a history of a number of UN missions. So there is the impact of the rapid withdrawal earlier. There is lessons learned from the institutions, the assessment of the capacity of institutions to manage for example security that were probably overestimated. There is the impact as I said on the local economy, there is the impact on national staff that you leave behind. There is the need to continue some of the work that was done under the ages of a peacekeeping mission which has to be picked up by either other UN agencies or by multilateral or bilateral organizations. So these are all the things that we have learned lessons from and want to make sure that we don't repeat those same mistakes or that we've thought through all the consequences of the withdrawal on all of these areas that I've mentioned. Recognizing and respecting the rights and the needs and the interests of the host country that forces be they civil, military or police going to is that paramount and is it a key to future success within the country? Absolutely and that is absolutely the crux of the issue that the host government and the national authorities must engage which they have in East Timor now at the highest levels and so we have a transition committee which from the Timor-Lesch side includes the president, the prime minister and a number of cabinet ministers and we are meeting regularly to plan this in a very phased way. There is the element of communications with the wider public in general so that they understand what that means. There is the impact of jobs of our own staff when we leave. There will be 1000 Timorese nationals who were employed with us and we're making sure that they are comfortable and that they are getting trained and skilled in these interim two years so that they can become active members whether they go into private business or into government service or other areas of employment. We want them to feel comfortable that they've had the opportunity to develop themselves over the next two years. Do you have any words of wisdom for people that are about to be deployed into a situation somewhere in the world? Particularly in the context of East Timor I think it's important to understand that this is a young nation. This is a nation that's only 10 years old. Clearly one cannot expect the kind of capacity of a nation that was literally almost devoid of any capacity or infrastructure when it gained its independence. And yet it's a population that is proud of its independence and wants to assert its sovereignty. So I think the way one relates in that context understanding that you cannot expect any and everything. Roads are difficult to travel within the country, it's difficult to get basic services out in the rural areas and there's a lot of hope of these people who have struggled hard for their independence to feel that the government will provide them these services. So I think we act as international actors as a broker of sorts in ensuring that they do have a social contract with their government and that we are there to try and help and facilitate and support that. And I think if one goes with that attitude I think that's the best way really to make an impact of our presence there. Another speaker at this conference Sheila Stewart has stressed that it's so important that we look after human security and yet military often focuses on national security. Do you think that human security is the key to any form of operation really succeeding? Well, I don't know what her definition of human security was but the way I define human security is freedom from fear and freedom from want. So freedom from fear is very much a part of security and having the ability as a parent to feel that your child can walk to school and that there's an element of security in that. And that means if you sort of take that just the ability of a child to walk to school without fear means a police system is working or a civil government system is working or whatever. So that whole security range needs to be in place in order for a child to walk safely to school in the morning. Freedom from want is that basic services that people must have food, basic health, education. So I look at it, I don't look at it as though there's a dichotomy between the two but they all work to build up what I see as encompassed in the concept of human security. Amira Haq, thanks so much for your time. Thank you.