 You have to really, really understand culture, business culture and so on and we kind of butted heads too much. We wanted everything to be the same so it's easy to run similar processes in similar countries, but you're just going to stand in your own way. The thing that I think our artists learned and which I was very particular about from the beginning was that I wanted every artist to feel like an entrepreneur and we called it art apprenticeship. What I'm referring to is that a lot of the time I see artists saying, okay, I will do the project as long as I get the funding. So they apply for funding and then they wait to get the funding. So they will always be on their knees in front of someone with a pot of money. So I said, let's turn that narrative around. Let's have you understand how to do business, how to sell and how to calculate simple business cases so that you can make ends meet and then if you get additional funding, let's say by a government, by the European Union, that's a bonus. But you don't rely on it and you will see that the outside funding will come more easily because you'll stand like this because you're your own man or woman because you know you can make ends meet, you know your own business. You will be taken seriously very differently. You're not beholden to handouts and I think that changed it for us as an organization but it changed it for a lot of the people we work with as well. And I'm looking at also the aspect of the youth. For many we tend to wish for things to happen and you'd want something to take place. Yet it is a challenge. So you mentioned waiting for handouts, waiting for somebody to come and tell you, you know what, I have something for you, come and let's do it. You're sitting there relaxed but the breakthrough doesn't always come in that way. You have to go and get it or immediately. Sometimes it may work, sometimes you may get actually, depending on whether you believe that God can be able to give you that grace. But for many youths they face that challenge and you end up being so relaxed and mellow. So what would be your advice to many who are struggling to get that? I mean if I'm a bit flippant and I say it in one sentence, don't be mellow. Don't be sharp, get out of bed and hustle. You're never going to beat someone who outworks you. So your calling card, your business card is your work ethic, especially when you're younger before you settle in and you get to decide a little bit what you work on. In the beginning you have to work hard. Another thing, and this is perhaps a bit more simple, a bit more applicable to all of us, don't tell me what you can do, show me. Show me, that's a problem. We don't end up doing what we need to do to make ourselves go out there and get what we need. But show me, I can tell you how I can help you or I can just start working with you. And what do I have to lose? A little bit of time but I'll learn something. I'll learn something about you. Otherwise, Netflix, right? So it's not that people need to be humble enough. Everyone, not just young people. Everyone needs to be humble enough to put in the work and not feel insecure about the fact that someone might take advantage or something might not happen as a result enough wasted time. No, you haven't, you've learned, you've worked. So go for it. But then how do you protect yourself from outside or external dangers? Yes, as a dance team international, because competition will always be there and people will always come to try and knock you down. How do you protect yourself from dangers that are external copyright issues? Lots of questions there. The first time I noticed that I'm a little bit famous was when I started getting hate mail on my blogs. Exactly. So it was quite fun. I was quite happy. I said to myself, this is great. I've been noticed because someone's written me a whole message saying you're boring, you're always saying the same things. And I'm like, well, I'm narrating my experience. I didn't do any sport. That time I did, it was early on. So I said, first of all, one, I'm narrating my experiences. Do you want me to make up things? And two, thank you for reading all my blogs. You're a fan. Thank you. But then the other question about protecting yourself about... I mean, one easy one is you need to get up earlier than the competition. But still, even those who... on what you said previously, even those who come and attack you online and attack what you do and what you say, you also need to find a way of protecting yourself from such things. You need to find a way of saving yourself so that you don't get hurt from that. I think a big win for any of us is when we become so sure about our path and where we're going that we can become to a level immune to the judgment of others, we're much better off. And to all the artists out there, if you're hustling hard to put your music out and someone goes and comments, your song is shit, despite the fact that they've never, ever written anything or putting themselves out there at all, haters want what you have. That's simple. Haters want what you have. That's why they're commenting, right? Move on. Move on from these people. And the other external factors that you do, that you get, those who try to bring you down in terms of business competition, you're mentioning, wake up early. Yeah. Yes, it's very simple. I get my... I mean, right now, it's five o'clock in the UK. I'm here. So I got up at three UK time. I arrived yesterday to be here this morning with you, which I love. And I have the whole day ahead of me. Why not? It's the best way to make sure that I have enough hours in the day and that I get enough sleep so that I'm sharp enough. I think that's an easy one. I think what we've now do with social media a lot is we're going to go on our phone. We're going to spend four, five hours on our phone. We're going to watch something in the evening and we're looking at your daily schedule and realize that you've actually wasted six hours doing something that's not going to take you toward your dreams. That's a little bit sad, right? Harry, let me ask you one question. And of course, I know this will... It's just a one-light note though. Have you found yourself in a day where you've wasted time and you're thinking, okay, this is unnecessary, but I just want to do it anyway? Last time I checked I was still human, so yes. I think the important thing is I think it all comes from purpose. People call the current generation lazy and I think it's something with the human condition that the older generation always thinks the younger generation is lazy because they've forgotten what it's like. I don't think... I see millennials and they're not lazy. Sometimes they are unmotivated. When you're motivated, you move. When you're not motivated, you don't know where you're going, then you don't move. When you understand your purpose and how you can take action towards that purpose, it makes everything easier. And of course you waste time and it's actually quite pleasant sometimes to just drink the coffee for longer or have another one. But at the same time, you don't make that a habit. Make the other side a habit and work on that. If you work on your work ethic, everything else will follow from that. As you call it, lazy. Well, of course, we do not quite understand what is a line that we need to draw between resting and being lazy. You just choose, okay, today let me just watch Netflix. Today let me watch a football match. Of course. You end up sleeping late because you're watching a match. Most people do that. He knows I watched the Atletica United match last night until 1 o'clock. Did you love the match? I did the fight in it. I love the fight in it. I think I need to make this very clear because people are going to go like, oh man, this is damaging. He's saying don't sleep, work a lot. I'm not saying that. You see all these videos circulating saying millionaires don't sleep. It's not true. If you Google that or YouTube that, you'll find Jeff Bezos saying he sleeps 8 hours. You'll find Elon Musk saying he sleeps 7 plus. How many hours do you sleep? 6 minimum. 6 to 7. 6 to 7. Mostly 6. I try to sleep 7. It mostly ends up at 6, 6 and a half. Me too. I find it hard to sleep at 7. I'm excited in the morning so I get out of bed because I'm motivated. I'm not, look, you sleep 6, you sleep 7, you sleep 8, you sleep 9. That doesn't matter. You sleep for that amount of time. You still have 16 hours. You sleep 8 hours, you have 16 hours in the day. I'm not so interested in what you do in your 8 hours at night, maybe your 8 hours in your day job, but if you have a dream that's not your day job, you'll have another 8 hours. So I want to know what you're doing in those 8 hours. Is it 3 hours of Netflix? Or what is it? So we're not talking about sleep less. We're talking about how well you use the hours that you're left with in the day. When you're awake. Absolutely. I love that. Because that's what matters. It's not about trying to get a tentacle when you sleep. Some sleep for 3 hours. They intend to be active throughout the whole day because they want to be millionaires. You read articles online, you see somebody when they're millionaires by 20, and you're 35 years old and you're wondering what are you doing with your life. I think we sometimes have some interesting books out there. The 4 hour work week by Tim Ferriss. It's interesting. You can survive by 4 hours a week. People misinterpret that. The actual message there to me is much more you can do so much in focused 4 hours. When you first decide what are you going to focus on? What action are you going to take? Try that one time. Throw away the phone and work for 4 hours on something. You'll be surprised how much you get done. That's the message there. It's not about do you work 50, 60 or 70 hours a week. It's how much work do you get done in the 50 hours that you work? As an individual, how do you balance all of that? You mentioned you have business in Arusha and of course in London if I got you right. In other places that you have not mentioned. How do you balance that? What makes you choose that this is the best place for me to spend most of my time? As an individual. The balance comes from I found ways with professionals who are really good at this. I try to maximize my energy throughout the day. I need to take certain types of breaks. I need to move between different types of work. I exercise every single day. I get my energy up in the morning. If I need it, I'll do another set of exercise at 5 o'clock in the afternoon to get the second wind for the evening. Then I have a secret weapon. Shout out to the guys at Aura. Some people use Fitbits. I have this ring which does the same as a Fitbit. It monitors my sleep. It's a Finnish company. I was an early investor some years ago. Now the NBA players in the US use this. Get a shot of this. They're fantastic. This monitors my sleep rate. This tells me how much energy I have, how well I've slept, what my heart rate is, what my temperature is. It has several microchips in it and sensors. I'll always know how I need to balance my day. Which is incredibly helpful. To your other question, London is a great city to live in. Because it's in the heart of the world. It's in a way between Western and Western. It faces the US. It's six hours from New York. It's a great place to do business. Direct flights to Nairobi. You leave in the morning. You're here in the evening the next day. If you're lucky, you get to be in a TV studio with your good friend Ram. It's a great place for now. Thank you. Nairobi between balance. And of course there is somebody who keeps on asking me in my ear how do you choose which place to do business as opposed to another. Sometimes I think we overthink these things. Sometimes things happen. I'm a people person. A lot of the time businesses have come because I've seen an opportunity and then I've met someone who's seen the same opportunity and we've teamed up. That was also true for London. I don't go around market research saying I should probably now set up shop in Krakow because the tax rate is low. I look at the opportunity and I look at the people that come with the opportunity because just knowing that and no disrespect friends in Kigali you look at London and everyone says it's great for business. Well that's great but I don't know anyone there. So why would I go into business there? You have to you must have somebody. Your network. It's not about currency it's not about the place it's just about the network that you have in that place. I'm sure there's a lot of bankers and other people out there who would disagree with me. This is just how I roll. But I'm a people person first. The first thing I did before I even came here I reached out to my network and said I would like to have two people to work with me this whole week and to be with me. That's how I roll because people know people and otherwise if you google an agency to help you you're always going to be somehow shortchanged. Let's talk about Dance Team International and I'm doing the fact that you work with different people. How do you acquire these teams and you bring them into Dance Team International and motivate them, educate them and bring them out and sell them out and expose them and make them become what they want to be when they want to join that particular space. I'll answer that a little bit more generally not just Dance Team back in the days when it was in its heyday but also my newer companies. The one thing that you have to define very quickly is a very clear vision and you need to be able to explain the vision in 90 seconds to everyone because people stop listening after that if they don't understand it after 60 to 90 seconds they stop listening and you need to be resilient enough in your vision so that when people start poking holes in it and saying that's a stupid idea or have you thought about this you're able to push back. The first thing people want to know is how and why you have to have a vision and their part in that vision will motivate them. So if I define a vision about how we're going to change the world together and I'll explain your role to you you're much better off than if I say here's a salary I want you to do marketing there needs to be something bigger and that motivates people and then if you're it's a mixture of luck, acumen and the right people it starts living by itself what an organism a company is so it starts taking on forms that you didn't even imagine when good people meet they don't come to take your work or do your work they'll be more work for everyone because good people come up in your ideas because you need to ask the question why are we doing that and I found that the further we've come along so the younger the people the more they require that vision the more we use that we bring what difference will they make if they join my company what difference in the world will they make what will be their calling card will they be proud talking about it to their friends and family or will they be a little bit shy because they're just doing it for the money and that's the difference because many want to do it for the money I mean I'm not hating on the money we all need it we all love it that's not what I'm saying I think people now expect both they expect money and purpose they go hand in hand for them but you do community development is that right? well on occasion I don't hold that up on a pedestal I don't talk about that so much it's for me, it's for my family it's for my friends but it's not I can't stand the social entrepreneurs who go around with orphans and all that jazz and with stray dogs and what have you and then saying like look I'm such a good person do business with me so those things are for me it's about having the integrity to do the right thing when no one's watching and so yes it's not a part that you take a photo no I do what I can the people who I've worked with and helped you know it's not for the world unless they want to share it's not my story to share but we should do that more I think so and I think one of the easiest ways for young people to get really good work experience is to volunteer there's one of those things where your first job that you do for money you might start quite low down be an assistant or something but when you volunteer, when you work for free when you help people in need you start much higher, you get much more responsibility because the need is there so you might be an assistant in a store at the age of 17 but you might be a project manager bringing supplies to a community school for instance, so it's fantastic for your CV, for your experience and of course for how you feel for your confidence but it's good that they know you're actually doing something for people I think it's good I feel slightly embarrassed at this moment you're doing a good job you see Sambu was having this conversation with me a few days ago and it was on Monday and they were telling me that we would like to talk about the bad things more than you talk about the good things we like to talk about the bad things more the bad things people do as opposed to the good things people do I think it's good to talk about the good things you're right you've triggered me on a topic that I absolutely love so did you know maybe the audience didn't yet neuroscientifically we are wired in a way that in our mind one negative equals five positives so if I say one bad thing to you and three nice things you still think poorly of me because we are wired that way as humans negative news affect us much more which means that you get clicks and comments with negative news much more easily than with positive ones and it's all in the human evolution it was very useful for us to be risk averse and to be worried about negativity if you saw something with big teeth you better go hide in a cave in terms of evolution when we were not enlightened beings but more closer to animals back in the days in the caveman days that was very useful as a survival mechanism we need to work very hard on the positivity because only positivity and optimism changes the world I don't know a single pessimist who's changed the world do you? anyone who always complains? no because negativity is easy to do if you look at comedians it's easy to make jokes about bad things that happen to people it's difficult to make positive jokes happy jokes it is so that's it you can't think of a single pessimist if you're there in the audience send us your favourite pessimist who completely changed the world but I guarantee you you're not going to find as many pessimists as you're going to find optimists you're right and I love that and of course when you go out to people and you bring them on board how is a reaction and what does it that touches you and motivates you when you go there and you're doing all these things and then it moves you and when you sleep at night that's the last thing you think about it just gives you the motivation to wake up the next day and do it again I think sleeping well at night has to do with whether you feel satisfied and that you've made the right choices as a man so I strive for that and I don't have to worry about my sleep when bringing people on board that one's a bit of a loaded gun because half the time and I know it I see it in people's faces the people look at me and they're like who's the damn cheerleader what is this he's talking 100 words a minute and he's just cheerful and grinning all the time and I was conscious of that when I was a younger man I was a little bit worried I toned it down a little bit but actually what we need to be is we need to be consistent in our personality and my personality is cheerleader so now I'm very openly the cheerleader wow that's how it goes and that's how you don't have to wonder how you're supposed to be you're just going to be yourself everyone else is taken anyway there's only you one thing that just to mention but a few things that when you look back upon that touched you I love seeing people win that's my poison that's my drug I love seeing people win and then telling the story later I do things a lot for something that when I say like he's going to come back in three years or she's going to come back in three years and many are saying like this changed my life so the company that you also saw with the lion logo called Empire Motion the cohort that I had two years ago every single one of them six people, every single one of them has doubled their income since then so that motivates me so they come back to me and say like look it was tough what we tried with you for ten weeks what you made us do now we've doubled our income and we're happier so that motivates me massively I want to see people win I love that and it's not easy for somebody to have such kind of a heart they see others win and they say I wish I was the one winning but they make a mistake there with their thinking imagine if all my network wins my god I rise high my network the people around me will lift me up if you have more I have more and if I have less I have less, absolutely imagine very easy maths if you had less cameras you have less fun now you have less lights it's very simple maths we all have more if we all have more we forget that for us to be uplifted we need to uplift other people well that's entirely right and Bill Clinton said it already back in the 90s he said the leaders of tomorrow will be those who empower others and it's entirely true and it's funny how people think of humanity as a zero sum game we have too many people on the planet if you take this there won't be enough for me it's never been like that we're more people than ever we're still okay we're still growing we're still doing things I want you to just give me a brief outline or overlook you've been in so many countries 15, 16 15 22 that I've spoken in and 15 that I've done business in 15 business and 22 you've spoken in and you've interacted with so many youths what are some of the common mistakes you've seen people make and then you'll be like I wish you knew the right thing to do the common things and you look at them you just you just feel moved have you ever seen somebody do something and you feel like just removing them yeah but the thing is I think everyone deserves to make their own mistakes I think one big mistake that people make is they never take action because they're worried about it going wrong so which means that they'll think about it for 10 days instead of taking action on the first day getting it wrong learning from it doing it again on the second day by the third day they're much further advanced than if they had 10 if they had just thought about it so I call it analysis paralysis people get paralyzed by their thoughts so they never take action so my advice is just take lots of action especially when you're young what you have to lose time you're losing it anyway by overthinking it so go for it the one thing that I see is people or two things actually one is people not believing in themselves enough to simply take action because they have everyone in their ear saying you should become an accountant or look at your brother he's a doctor or a girl if you're wearing that or whatever it is there's so much negativity going on people refrain from taking action until all of a sudden there you said 35 so all of a sudden they're 35 man I wish I'd taken action 15 years ago right so that's one and the other one is lacking patience they're a little bit contradictory one is taking action a lot but the other one is the progress needs to come quickly but the results can come later as long as you take the right kind of action and people are so impatient people want to take the picture in the pool or with the private jet now like learn Photoshop but they do the right things because you want to you're building for life you're building for legacy you're building for something that your family can rely on in the next generation and the next and the next you're not building for a photo because you think that will get you the girls because that doesn't work speaking of girls everybody why is everyone laughing what are you laughing it has to come up of course it's a morning show it has to come up but I want to ask that question what I want to ask is the support that you've got who are those people that you'd say are like your pillars I know many don't ask this question I don't know if you've been as such who are those people that if you look up to you look back on they're saying that if it's not for so and so they have been my pillars I would not be who I am today they have defined me, they have molded me and they have uplifted me as my pillars I think early on it's always good in these instances just in case they're watching to mention the parents yeah so my parents are very very different to me they're very risk averse they're very un-entrepreneurial I don't have anything to thank them for because I think I would have been too much a risk taker without them so I have that balance I always have my dad's voice in my ears saying be careful that could go wrong so that's been nice and balancing and of course family as you know it's very important but then there's been fantastic bosses and business mentors even to this day I was launching a product this Christmas and my old strategy from when I was in my early twenties called and said it's a terrible idea and I was like what do you know what do you mean what do you know this is my business and I was like have you thought of these three things and I was like damn he's right and so I started iterating the whole thing and because these people the people that you hold in great esteem you're always the little boy right when you've known them for very long so you always want to impress them so you're still working towards being right and listening to them and I think going through that transition of being a young man who doesn't listen to anyone to having certainty and going forward at a push and listening even less to realizing you should have properly listened to balancing who you need to listen to and who not and I think there's a piece of advice here for all the young artists entrepreneurs on the channel we take so much advice we listen to criticism we are heard by criticism from people that we would never take advice from yeah right and so that's the thing that I think I think we must stop as an internal process we need to not listen to people if people don't have what you have and they haven't gone on the path that you want to be on don't listen to them exactly they have nothing to teach you people tell you to do what they did and you look at them and you're like you're not happy you want to be happy you should marry a good man you should do this and you're like yeah grandma but that's what you did and it didn't even work for you and you're just saying that because at least it could have been worse so you're giving that advice so find the people who are where you want to be in ten years you should always have two heroes in my mind one is someone who has what you want in ten years and then you in ten years right so the future you should always be your hero as well yeah yeah I love that I love that and of course I want to bring this conversation to a close because of the interest of time but as you wrap it up what would be your final word to that Kenyan youth and of course not just Kenyan because I know many are watching even from outside the country what would be your advice to youth that young person who is watching you today and wants to make up something for themselves and is trying to make a plan of some sort but they're stuck and they don't know what to do next of course as you wrap it up also anything just being like a minute or so have a final word and that's your problem so two so one is take more action it's that simple take more action, get it wrong be laughed at don't care about that you're working towards something that's in the future the people who take action early on are the ones who are going to win and you have everything you need you've got the language, the technology the size of the market economic growth, you've got youth on your side Kenya is a fantastic place number two Napenda Kenya I love you guys you do dance I broke my ankle I dislocated my ankle sorry I've been very careful so I work out in the gym now are you asking me to dance? I thought I should we can always do something simple like a simple break dance move or something you can break dance do a few easy tricks and freezes so we can always do if you give me a beat and you dance in the background, you dance I'll try and see if I can do this in a suit, I'm not sure you'll embarrass me I'll just do one move by the way this is not planned you just cast me down it's not planned I don't know if you have a song there or a beat I'll just show you a move that I can still do because I don't need my feet for it oops I'll do it with the mic one of the things that we do to build muscle and to warm up is we do freezes so we do break dancing so we do oh shit those things are muscle memory okay are we finishing on the dance now almost almost so you so you need to put the lower knee that knee on this elbow this knee on that elbow and this knee in the air so there you go you need to move the here you go well done thank you at least those are a few dance tips do you have another well there's always the sideways shuffle if you can't think of anything else but that won't really need to be that is the director of dance team international you wouldn't have been where you are if you didn't know how to dance I love your style man I'm glad I got the memo about the blue suit yeah it was not also planned thank you guys it's been an absolute pleasure I appreciate it and of course that brings us to the end of this particular conversation glad to continue at any time thank you so much and that brings us to the end of this particular conversation you can have a seat there keep engaging with us that's why in the morning we still have some more artists coming your way right here on Y254 talk to us Harry thanks so much for coming and of course stay tuned for more right here on Y in the morning whoa