 Our next presenters are going to be talking about interprofessional synergist, contribution to the development of policies and strategies for the inclusion of OER in the pedagogical and documentary schemes of French public higher education. I know I'm not going to pronounce your name correctly. Cecil, Twitek, Kassafier. Cecil is all right. Just a service announcement. I have a telephone here that is not mine. So if you want to pick it up. Can we share a screen, please? Okay, so here we go. So my name is Cecil. Carol is with me. And Christine, our third companion, is not here today. I'm a librarian. Carol is from l'université numérique. And Christine, we will be talking for her, works at coupon.org. That's a negotiating consortium for electronic resources. We didn't manage to put the presentation on the platform. So we put it on Zinodo instead where you can find it with the DOI. Okay, so let's get started. We will be speaking English today. But for people who wish to follow in French, feel free to have a look. We decided to have a very written slideshow. We will mainly talk, but we can refer later to this. So that was a big title we had. Our abstract to have it already. Our smiling faces. We will try to keep smiling today. Okay, let's start with the general framework we have in France. About how we implement or try to implement the UNESCO recommendation. We have several texts that were prepared on the basis of the recommendation. Our texts in France mix open science and open educational resources. They mainly focus on open science. Actually, we have this big focus on research, but we managed to push OERs as a component as it was prepared in the open science UNESCO recommendation in our main texts. So what does it look like? We have a national plan as you can discover it, and we are wondering about algorithm, code, open source, open everything. 2018, during a Libère conference, that is a conference for research libraries in Europe, it happened in France and our former minister, Frédéric Vidal, came and presented the first national plan for open science. There was nothing about OERs or open education. Of course, open education or OERs is a brand new topic from 2002, so 20 years ago, in Paris, and we made some research about this text saying that maybe it could be good for the second frame to have OERs included, which happened a few months ago. There was a new national plan where you can find some things about OERs, not open education, but OERs. And we have for each ministry a data roadmap where you can find things about open educational resources too. So you will have the links, you can refer to them, you can download it right now if you want on Zinodo, searching by our names, and you can have a look at it. So it's in this context that we gathered around the virtual table first and then in real life to ask as ground experts, professionals, we asked the ministry to gather us around one national table to discuss what we want to have as a vision in France for OERs, not open education, OERs, just this. And it started a few weeks ago, a few months ago, we had our first round with the ministry, and I think this approach, we will see how we found ourselves more complementary than in competition, how this synergistic approach has been interesting and can be full of possibilities for the future. So I will give the floor to Carol and then you will see how we can complete each other and I will be talking on behalf of Christine for the Coupre part. Thank you, Cécile. Then I'm Carol, Jean-Louis Stéphane, and I animate the Université numérique, the French national network for digital universities. As Cécile said before, it is through the actions of its institutions and by drawing on the dynamism of professional association and educational and documentary networks that French public higher education produce policies and strategies. Twenty years ago, I can say... Yes, it's okay, no? Twenty years ago, universities and elite grands écoles came together to develop networks about OER production and using, and the state supported them. When compared with the other countries, it seems to be a French specificity. First of all, I want to make a bit of history to develop a national digital higher education at the end of the 1990s in France. A call of projects was published in order to set up French digital compuces. These digital compuces aimed at bringing together universities in order to develop OER. Then between 2004-2010, the thematic digital universities were gradually created, mainly from these digital compuces. The thematic digital universities were founded with the basic principle of pooling and developing OER by large consortia of universities. Finally, in 2017, in order to simplify the landscape of digital universities and promote cooperation between them, the association L'Université Numérique was founded. Now, it's okay? No, it's not okay. Yes. Since its creation, L'Université Numérique has gradually become an important operator of the policy of the Ministry of Higher Education and Research in France. For example, L'Université Numérique is mandated to represent the French state in international institutions and let it open education in higher education, so as OER. L'Université Numérique federates several areas of training, business and economics, health care and sports, sciences, engineering, the humanities, sustainable development and technology. While there are areas where organized initially, sorry, as separate identities, there are no working in close cooperation in several projects to produce and adapt OER and also with the library and to accompany and promote their uses. L'Université Numérique is a big, big network where French universities and elite grants they call share their expertise and experience about open education, hybridization, digitalization and evolution of teaching practices also. They can receive advice and support about implementing the pedagogical and organizational transformation that digital technology bring about. In this network, there are institutions successfully participating in numerous schools of projects and gain visibility and usefulness. Taken together, we represent over 27,000 OER. To make our OER more useful and easier to find and reuse, we have set up the Fund Resource Initiative with another French network about MOOCs, Fun MOOC. For this, we select OER that we align in sets with the content of bachelor courses in order to facilitate the hybridization of courses by teachers. Always to facilitate the use and adaptation of content, we have also developed a mooder platform to share the sources of our OER. So, here you can see on this slide how the sets appear. And to enrich the sets, we lead the punchy project also to products on value remixable and adaptable microcontents. These contents, not all the contents of the university numeric, but these contents in the punchy project are granular in design, focused on one concept and not longer than 30-minute student learning time. They are also reusable in different contexts, bachelor level, continuing education and they are based on H5P technology. To help and support the implementation of the last reform of the first cycle in health studies, the network develops also the same type of devices, especially for health studies. With the aim of hybridizing and personalizing training, contents are shared, not only at re-engineered and produced, but also categorized and indexed. And then Cecile, I give you the floor. Okay, so what will we be doing together? Because we are from different professions. We can see that there is content, it's structured, available on the web. But as we said yesterday, when we were discussing, out of the conference, we said this is half of the job done. However expert, however perfect the OER could be, if you cannot search for it, retry of it, but also offer it inside a different course, then you just had the half job done. I'm a student. I'm not going specifically on this platform. I work differently. I work differently. I search differently. I live differently. So if I'm interested in one resource, how can I find it? Well, on my best friend, my gee, something best friend, of course. And this is where our professions are complementary. We can work together on building metadata, but also on building information retrieval strategies. And this is our strengths, librarians. We are working. Our big thing is to enable people to read, right? So you have producers. You are producers. You have public audience and they need to reach you. They can search long. They have to find at some point. So this is where we thought we would be working together. So I won't be reading this, but just passing the text. My point is libraries are interested in supporting the retrieval. They are also more than competitive collaborative bodies. This is our culture. Our career doesn't depend on this. Mark this. But we have this strong will to enable people to read content. So what do we do? Well, we'll look around. I can see in the room colleagues from different continents, different countries, different professions who started working together. And we looked, for example, at SURF and BOO from the Netherlands. We discovered how they built a resources with an interprofessional approach, how they failed first, how they were successful second. And we will learn from their method to adapt it to our specific context. We looked at Austria. They had the OEI, Open Education Austria and OEAA, Open Education Austria, advanced with their six work packages, all cross-professionals. This is how it works with a systematic approach. We can learn from them. We looked at Ireland, micro-certifications and so on that rang the bell. How many millions did they have and we had nothing? How come? We had a look at Konul and at the National Forum. They are building their expertise on skills, cross-professional skillings, guidance recommendation. We can learn from them and so on. So I think here we can learn from each other and we can build something for opening up OERs. Time is running. So this is just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. Oh, shared values. Perfect. References. This is library thing. Now, for the last five minutes, I will be Christine. So I am Christine from Couparins. This is a national consortium for negotiating electronic resources. But more than this, we are important at the table because we are working on business models for textbooks and handbooks and open access monographs. And here maybe we have a key role to play. With this nice music reminding me that 30 seconds are away, I can just mention for Couparins what they are supporting. They built partnerships with commercial publishers. At the beginning we could see colleagues rolling on the floor like we were against the coast. Well, actually, they are professionals. Remember, publishers, this is a job, full-time job and big, big expertise. They might be interested in building new business models. And it's not dirty to talk to publishers once you find a common vision. And if you want to enhance OERs, then maybe you can have hybrid models, hybrid business models. Why not? What happened with Numeric Premium, for example? They had this open road and they said, if we do not push our expertise on the open road, anybody can use it. You have content in your library about historic introduction to historical studies. The first steps in historical studies for Bachelors. You can put it on the web, anyone can take it, build on it, sell it, maybe betray it. You wouldn't like it. Let's have a deal with the publishers. And they had a deal. The electronic version is online, reusable, remixable. And there is a print version that can be bought and who is buying, you librarians. Of course, by buying we promote also this hybrid model. They have a few examples like this. You can find them on the web. One about European Handbook of Central Asian Studies, ASCAS project. They supported this. One partnership, not from Kuprin, but from Sciences pour Paris, about an espace mondiale, that's a digital atlas, that was transformed from a book to a website, which is a different digital object, also sent in print and free on the web. And there is something about ecological durability and transformation by Paris-Saclay. You can find the e-book online for free on our national platform, AL, and in print by EDP Sciences, who is a commercial publisher. So we decided to be the three partners around the table. And we are waiting for our government to invite us again, once we have a framework, in order to build a vision in which institutions, associations can play, fully play their part by playing together. And we think this is one of the best ways to build something powerful, maybe intelligent, if we manage this. Thank you. That was incredible. You've done such so much work and so many resources. We want them to be used. Yes, we want them to be used. Make us work. Any questions at this point? Otherwise, we'll move on to Robert. There might be a little bit of time at the end. Thank you. Great. Okay, we're going to move on. Thank you very much.