 Um, do why do people always want socialism in particular with medicine, but then they'll say, well, we don't want everything that way. I mean, I know medicine is important, but something like food is even more important in the sense that you you eat every day, but you don't go to the doctor every day. So why is that one thing they're always? Well, the best argument they can make for it is, um, that medicine is complicated. It's hard. Um, it's, it's, it's super complex. And therefore the real problems of what they call asymmetrical information, right? That you don't know much. You're ignorant. You could be rationally ignorant, but you're ignorant of the impacts of various drugs or various treatments of who's a good doctor and who's a bad doctor. And therefore you're easily susceptible to manipulation and, um, and drug companies have a huge incentive to bribe doctors and to con you and to present marketing stuff with bikini clad babes so that you take their latest drug or whatever, right? In a totally free market and, uh, and, uh, you can overcome those, those asymmetrical problems. And as compared to, let's say other issues where there's also these asymmetric information problems, um, this is a life or death one. So we need an objective agent. And this is, this is, this is again, you know, this assumption that the government can be an objective agent. We need an objective agent. We need somebody who's not motivated by self-interest. We need somebody who's not motivated by profit. We need somebody who is actually, um, cares about you, Jennifer and you, Debbie and, and me. And, and that is the government bureaucrat who is a public servant who's there for the common good and the public interest. And they, they have no incentive to lie to us, cheat from us and steal from us. So, um, and, and that's it. I mean, I, I literally, I was at, I forget if I said this last week, but I was at a conference last week, at the Montpelerin Society conference. So I, I don't know how many of you know what Montpelerin is, but well in society. And, and, and unfortunately I spent two days basically in my room because I had this awful cold. So I, I was there at the opening night and I was there at kind of the last day of the conference. But other than that, I just had to skip it because I was, I felt so bad with the cold and I didn't want to infect everybody at the conference with my cold. So, uh, I stayed in my room, but I was there for a little bit. And, uh, so this is a conference of the leading free market thinkers in the world, right? So it was founded, Montpelerin Society was founded in 1947, right? Frederick Hayek. And, um, it was, um, you know, it was like a dozen of the free market thinkers in the world at the time. Of course they didn't invite Ayn Rand. Uh, we're just telling in and of itself. And I don't think they ever invited Ayn Rand throughout the history of the Montpelerin. Again, one of the great tragedies of, um, of, of the 20th century that the free market thinkers didn't take us seriously. Um, but, um, she, uh, uh, anyway, so it became an annual conference or once every two years and different places in the world where all the leading thinkers in free markets would come together and debate. And the original members were Hayek and Mises von Mises and, uh, and Milton Friedman and all kind of the legends of the free market economists, primarily economists, most economists, but not exclusively. And, um, you know, Mises used to get really upset at them and they used to argue about because Mises was, was the one who was really consistent and, um, and, uh, you know, the one that, uh, he was the consistent and used to argue with them about, about, um, uh, uh, central banks and about, uh, and one of the amazing things. Anyway, it's, it's, uh, um, it's supposedly people who are committed 100% free markets. And then so in the, in the opening banquet, um, I, I was at the opening banquet and, uh, I met this guy who is on the organizing committee. I guess he heads the organizing committee for next year's big conference, which is in Oslo, Norway. It'll be in October in Oslo, Norway. And I don't know, we were chatting and he, he talked about, he suddenly, it somehow got to healthcare and he was like, yeah, you know, um, our great system in Norway and your pathetic system in the United States. And, uh, uh, you know, how can you tolerate not having socialized, in a sense, not having socialized medicine in the United States. It was like, whoa, you're in the organizing committee. This is a free market conference. What, what the hell? The left, as Debbie would say, has infiltrated even Montpelerin, right? It was, it was, it was pretty shocking. Uh, but, but I know that there are people there who are, um, who are, uh, uh, I don't know, compromises, particularly the Europeans on economic issues. But then there's some Europeans who are great, who are really, really, uh, tough. And then there's some, there's plenty of nationalists there. There was certainly one conservative nationalist at the conference. The, the anarchists there, there's several, there's at least one on the board of directors, actually two on the board of directors. Um, it's, it's a, it's a quite a diverse, uh, mixed group, but it's, you know, free markets is not necessarily what unites them. Not really, uh, not really free markets. So, uh, but healthcare is the one thing that people fall on because of its importance, because of its complexity, because of its life or death consequences. And, uh, again, even among free marketers, there is this perspective of we need a, um, kind of free market referee in a sense. Even Switzerland doesn't have a true free market healthcare system. Uh, it's better than any other country in Europe, but it's not a true free market healthcare system. Uh, it's, it's, I think, uh, uh, so no country in the world, unfortunately, Singapore has a pretty good system, but it's not really free market. No country has a purely free market system in the world. And certainly not the United States, uh, I wish we did. I wish there was one. Uh, it would be cool, but, um, we don't have it. Thank you for listening or watching the Iran book show. If you'd like to support the show, we make it as easy as possible for you to trade with me. 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