 Hello again everyone and welcome to another edition of Yes We're Here, I'm Jack Currie and we have two special guests on today's show. First of all we have Buck Showalter and then we have Dion Sanders. They have a friendship that dates back more than 30 years when Buck managed Dion in the minor leagues and gentlemen it's good for me to see the both of you but I have to imagine it's even nicer for the two of you to see each other. You got that right, it's been a long time. Dion and I bump into each other here in there in Dallas but when he's chasing his kids around but he always reached back for memories of the great ones and Dion was a better person he was a player and that's saying a lot. He was one of the most loved teammates on our team. You know our guys loved him because he brought a real humbleness to him, his work ethic and the guys just migrated to him. Jack if we could have elected a captain that year it would have probably been Dion. It was an honor to have him. You got to understand just playing minor league baseball after being in division one football and living a heck of a lifestyle that was not an easy transition but they couldn't have chosen a better manager than Buck. His character, his coaching style, his techniques, his mannerisms, how close he was to the team. You got to help me out of there and I want no part of funding. I haven't even heard of what funding was and he took his time to try to teach me how to just push the ball by the pitcher. Son if you could push the ball by the pitcher you could make a lot of money this game. And I just loved him. I mean the bus rides, he just made it all feel right. And it wasn't right for me but it felt right for me. You know what's funny Jack is Dion made every bus ride. We love to have him on team because he'd buy a spreader once in a while. You got to understand there was no spreads down there. We get on the bus and take off and one of the guys, Andy Stankiewicz, and say what's for dinner tonight Dion. But it was great. You know he worked hard. He was out there. Nothing was beneath him. You know this is a guy that came from playing in front of 80,000 people at Doe Campbell there with Bobby Bowden. Next thing you know he's in Albany, New York riding a bus in Pennsylvania. Man those games in April buck man you almost lost me man. Was it New Haven or something? I have never heard of these towns. Let me tell this Jack best single game I ever saw a professional baseball player have. Dion Sanders opening day London, Ontario. That was all the ballpark. Chris Chan was first year managing for the London Tigers. And I call the ballpark said what times double header tomorrow. Obviously we're not playing tonight. Game time temperature 33 it started sleeping. And I'm going to tell you one other. He's the first time he brought a big bag of sandwich bags. Glad he said hey this is no football trick. You wrap your feet in these sandwich bags and it keeps them from getting wet or cold. Every one of our guys that's why we beat him that night. They had sandwich bags on their feet. Well anyway let me finish. A triple home run makes a catch with the bases loaded sliding on ice in the left center field at the end of game. Later I said what was that all? I was pretty impressed because I didn't want to play extra innings. I couldn't even feel my hands. Couldn't even feel my hands. You remember that David? Do I remember that I'm going to quit on you there at 33. I'm from Florida. I'm from the state of Florida. I played football in Florida and I don't even know the name. I've never heard of these cities that we went to. I've never, I would not, if you could spend a globe in front of me right now I couldn't even find it on a dirt map. And then we're going to play some baseball in this 33. 33 I only knew 33 as an age. I don't even knew that as a temperature. That was a temperature from Florida, man. And that was one of the cold, that was the coldest game I've ever played in my life. Not only cold, the field was wet. It had puddles and it was horrendous. But we overcame adversity and we won, man. But what made everything fun, man? He was, he was the absolute best. Truly. You remember Russ Monk, Meyer, the bitching coach? Oh my God. That whole year, you know, it was funny. He's the only guy I ever had that didn't want to get moved up, Jack. They want to go. I told him that Deion got some news for him. He was, you know, Deion, like courtshops make things. He had a dinner here every night. He didn't know I knew that. So I called and I go, Deion, I got some news for there. They want them, they want to move you up. He goes, oh, fuck, I love the guys here. We got a good team. We got things going. Deion, you're being promoted. That's how it works. I just didn't stay here and finish a year. I think we're going to win. He knew we were going to win and he wanted to be a part of it. That was double A. That was double A. Double A. Leaping him a level to the major leagues. No, two levels. Two levels. He started out in the Guff Coast League down there. Florida State League got a little bit. We had this guy named Bernie Williams though. Think about that, Jack. I had Bernie Williams and Deion Sanders in the same outfit. And that team went 92 and 48 that year. So Deion was right. That team was prime to win. Yeah, that was 144 game season. Yeah, man. It was so much fun. But Buck is not lying. I did not want to leave because I was so. As an idiot to baseball, I didn't understand going up and going being called up. So, you know, when you get a call from the manager, I get a call from the coach. I'm in trouble. That's what I do. That's what I'm thinking. That's the first thing I'm thinking about. He's like, no, no, no, you're going up. I'm like, man, I'm cool. I like it here. I'm straight, man. I'm comfortable here. I'm good with my teammates. I'm cool. I don't want to go anywhere. And that was true. We used to take Jack. We took showers and shifts. You couldn't take a shower. You took a ticket to go take a shower. And they had a pool and then one in the water came out strong and the other in it barely trickled out. So you had to make sure you, you know, the pitchers would come out of the game and they'd take up all the hot water. Right. Right. You didn't want to get called up, but I went back and looked up the day you got called up. And this is kind of emblematic of what you're talking about here with the crowds. This is what you said that day at Yankee stadium. You talked about how you played in front of some double digit crowds in Albany. And you said, I like being at Yankee stadium. You sprinkle a crowd around me. And that's what I like. I think that was a very honest quote from, from Dion back in the day. Yeah, it was. I didn't even know I said that, but that was true. But I mean, I'm a, I'm a loyal guy to a fault in the friendships and relationships that I made on that double A team and with Buck. I just wanted to stay because the only thing I knew is team was a team. I'm a football guy. Remember mentally. So I didn't understand going from place to place and moving in that type of movement. You know, although it was an upward movement, I didn't understand all that stuff. That stuff in resonator. I was so raw as a baseball player that my mind didn't even resonate. Hey man, you're going to Yankee stadium. I didn't even understand that so many things that happened when I got there that I look back on. I didn't even understand. I remember, I just grabbed the bat out of the thing and it was saxes back and I'm hitting with his bat. I didn't even ask him for it. I didn't know. I just grabbed the bat. I didn't know any better. And that's what I was trying to tell those guys when I do the report. I said, this is a raw piece of clay that if you mold it right, it's going to be special. Jack, they talk about Michael Jordan playing baseball and different guys. Deion could have been anything you want to be in baseball. He was a plus thrower. He was a plus defender. Obviously a plus runner. He had some juice. I'm telling you had some juice. Heck, we had him out taking bat practice in Baltimore a few years back. He got juice, Jack. I'm telling you. And once he learned how to butt, he could do anything. Yeah, man. And I learned when I was in Cincinnati, as well as with the Braves, I really focused on that and learned and I, it all came back to my like, this is what butt was trying to teach me way back in the beginning. Just push the ball past during pitch. Even if I didn't, I had the whole infield tight. And if I fake it, I saw everybody's movement. So I said, okay, I'm just going to go with the pitch. And I started learning the game of baseball slowly, but surely. Jack, we used to have this little session from the dugout in Albany before we'd start practicing next day. That's another thing beyond how to get used to is playing every day. I mean, you know, you have an awfully, we don't have an off day, but we used to talk about the different situations that he always had great questions. You know, he always, and there was a purity about it. He wasn't, you know, and people really migrated to him. The players did because he didn't care about drawing attention to himself. He's a great teammate. When he got called up the big leagues, quite frankly, there was a lot of jealousy. There was a lot that were weighed in on stuff that it was just pure jealousy. And I was, get there in 1990 coach third base when he was up there. Yeah, that stuff hurt me, man. It bothered me because I didn't know anything but team. So getting up to the, you know, but when you throw money in anything, it's going to be animosity and jealousy and whatever. And that's what happened in the tension. And I couldn't believe it. You know, some of the guys that I played with even getting up there, once we all got there, it was a little jealousy, a little tension. And I could not believe it. We got rid of those guys sticking out. Yeah. We made a point. If you'll notice those guys didn't stick around too long. Yeah, you're right. They're the same guys that made Bernie Williams path a lot tougher and on the Dixie Highway. That is true. That is true. There was a big culture change around the Yankees, but I want to go back to Buck mentioning 1990. There's so many stories that you guys could share, but one in which you're tied together. And I think any fan of sports loves this. It's July 17th, 1990. People were calling it the bow and primetime show because it was Kansas City against the Yankees. It was two of the best athletes in the world at that point. And to this day, matching up and even though it's not in basketball where you're covering a guy and it's not in football where you're covering a guy, it was the two of you on the field at the same time. Dion, what do you remember about the hype surrounding that matchup? I really don't remember a lot of hype because I was so naive and I didn't read a lot of the papers back then. I didn't even know I was supposed to. But just understand, I did understand competition and I did understand this is Bo Jackson. I want the upper hand. You know, I'm not the big strong powerful guy like he is, but I could do my thing and cause havoc like he did. But when Bo got up there, man, and I remember running to the wall, trying to climb the wall and when he hit it, he hit it. When he got it, he got it. And I joke with him this day because we're dear friends now. I said, Bo, you know we hit four home runs that day, right? We hit. You can tell it, I hope you want to tell it, but we hit four home runs on that particular day. Jack, let me tell you, he had hit three home runs and he had another back coming. But trying to catch Dion's line driving right center field, he separated his shoulder and moved out for the season. And there was Dion's being nice. There was a lot of stuff that was being drummed up back and forth. And you know, they did kind of go Bo into saying a little something. Dion would never bite. He took the high ground, never bit, as you probably remember Jack better than anybody, but that was one of my top five most exciting moments in the big leagues was coaching third base for that inside park home run. You know, I was very protective of Dion up there. I knew what his heart was about. And some of these people that was just jealousy and I really wanted him to have a moment. And so far up until that point, Bo was having the moment. Yes, Lord. Bo's first homer goes over Dion's head. As Dion just said, it's just a blast to center field. Second homer, 464 feet into the right field bleachers. Third homer with the base open, Stump Merrill elects the pitch to him. He hits another one that sneaks into the right field seeds. Dion, I'm going to set the stage for you now. You come up in the sixth inning. I'm sure you've seen it a thousand times. It's Mel Stadelmeyer, Jr. By the way, making his major league debut. It's a three to fastball. What happens after that? Well, three to fastball. I'm not trying to walk. Trust me. And they're not trying to put me on base. I can still take it. So I'm swinging. I don't care where it is. I'm swinging. And I got it. And luckily I didn't get up under it. It's a line drive. And you could just see Bo just running to track it down and when he missed it, when I saw him dive and missed it, it was like someone yell, hit it. And I hit the gas. And yeah, it coming around there and seeing my guy, you know, seeing my dude on third, you know, about the dislocated shoulder. I mean, that was a joyful moment, man. You don't understand how big the moment is until years later. And you look back on and say, wow, that was a special moment. You know, stuff at the plate was crazy. You know, Jack, Dion, there was a different level of speed there. You know, it's like when I would say, okay, everybody, you, you, you have pictures and you throw out the book when you get a Randy Johnson, you got grades of speed. And Dion had a different level. It was just something. The first time I saw him run, it kind of took my breath away. Hey, you know, that's, he would outrun the ball. So he came around second. And I could tell the back then he had some Jerry curls. And he was starting to follow me a little bit with the flap. And we hadn't scored a run about a month. We weren't very good. And I think it was beyond the line. I had his back to the end. That was true. Derwood Merrill was the catcher. And I'm trying to run with Dion. He comes around third. I know he's saying himself, this crazy guy's getting ready to send me. But I tell you, you talk about places in time when he jumped over McFarlane, balls loose, Dion's got to get back to the plate before McFarlane can retrieve the ball and tag you. And it was like this. And when Derwood said safe, I thought we'd won the seventh game of the world series. Cause you gotta understand, I was young third base coach, trying not to make a mistake. That's hard to believe. See what, talking about he's trying not to make a mistake. I don't remember but making any mistakes. Shoot. What happened when you hurt old McFarlane? Did you know right away that you hadn't touched the plate because Espinosa and Sacks were there? Yeah, I knew I hadn't touched the plate. He blocked the plate pretty good. It was a great job by the catcher blocking the plate pretty good. But I know I had to get there and just seeing that little ball squirm out or whatever it did and then able to get the plate. It was like, you'd like, yeah. And you want to show the adrenaline and all the rush that you show in football, but you got to remember this is baseball. It's not called for. So you got to try to pull back a little bit. Trust me. This was football. I'd have been in high stepping and dancing and doing every darn thing at home plate. But I don't want to get hit the next time I got up to the pad. I was very understanding of the tradition of baseball, but that confused me as well when I first got to the show. Jack, that whole night turned around right there. It had been the bow show. And now next thing you know, Dion's got an inside of park home run bows out for the season. I remember, you have certain glances with guys where you just kind of know. I remember coming in when he was over and Dion was trotting out the outfit. He kind of looked at me. I kind of looked at him and he kind of went, man, what are you doing over there? Yeah. That was my guy. But it was my guy, man. So, you know, being up in the show with your guy, but was the first guy who really had his hands on me as a professional. You know, I went play rookie league and then I think I went single a for a couple of weeks and triple a for a week in summer prior to, but that was the first real taste of real baseball. So he's the first one had his hands on me and like he said, he was protected and appreciated. He always, to this day, he's always kept it 100, always been authentic, always been genuine, always cared for his players. So Buck, I have to, I have to ask you this question. And Dion, by the way, ran according to my stopwatch and we're just going with it, 13.93 seconds around the bases. But if McFarland makes the short hop, Dion's probably out there. What do you think about that? I think if you're scared, you need to get a bigger dog. That's the, that's the book I know. I tell guys all the time, go for it. If you feel something, go for it. If you want to wing 3.0, go for it. You want to steal that base with no, with two outs, no, you got to go for it. Don't go back to the hotel apartment. Go gosh, I wish I'd have done this. I wish I'd be more aggressive. And I knew I had a guy that felt the same way. Dion wasn't afraid. He wouldn't participate. He wanted to be put himself on the line for ridicule, whatever. You know, if you're going to talk it, but he wasn't a talker in baseball, you know, and he understood the culture of the game. And, but his actions and anybody that had a problem with something he was doing, would have liked to have been in his shoes and were just jealous they weren't. What about the athleticism that both guys show on that play? It's Dion's speed and acrobatics at the end. And though he doesn't catch it, Bo looked like Michael Phelps diving across center field, although Michael Phelps wasn't around back then. So maybe we'd have to be Mark Spitz or somebody like that. I mean, in one play that lasted about 15, 20 seconds, we saw two great athletes showing unbelievable athleticism. Yeah, I just, you know, they'd rather hear Dion talk about it. But I remember when I first got him, I looked around and I turned to Brian Butterfield, one of the coaches that Dion. I remember Butterfield. Yeah. I said, I said, Brian, this is a different cat. You can't put, I turn it, we had this watch line, we turned reports at the end of the day. I remember after the London, Ontario game I told him, I said, guys, this is a different level. You got to throw off the scale, you know, and what you can do to give him the play base. And Dion could have been whatever he wanted in baseball. He could have hit 20, 25 home runs in a year. I'm telling you, Jack, he had that kind of pop. And he was just starting to scratch the surface. It was starting to get good to it. I'm telling you, and then a lot of different things. And I remember, I'm telling you, and then a lot of different stuff got involved. And he'll get me going. But it was a lot of playing more baseball for the. Jack, I got this call a few years back from this distinguished voice. And you just got to hear the voice of no, it's the voice. Prime, you owe me. What are you talking about? Prime, you owe me. I just want you to know you owe me. And I need my money. What are you talking about? I just had to go get another shoulder operation because I was diving at your ball way back when he knew the date. He knew the time. It was a call from both. And it was hilarious, man. So we just started screaming and laughing. I say, that's when I first said, you know, we hit for home runs that day. We had a great. That's a great line. But I did get a call from both. I got a call from both. I was going to ask about that Dion, because in researching this, I dug up an article from 2018 and he was in spring training with the Royals. And that's exactly what he said. He said, I had shoulder replacement surgery dating back to a game. He said he got to the point where he couldn't lift his arm. So he calls you as part of a, a thank you for that, huh? He called me as part of this mess with me. He said, I was the cause of that. I was the cause of that. You know, it was several years after that, that I was playing with the Cincinnati Reds. And bowl. He wasn't playing for the white socks, but he was still based in Chicago. I believe as he is now. But that was the first time I was off on a Sunday day game and he came to our locker room and that was the first time Bo and I sat down and we had like a two hour conversation. You got to understand, they built this up to go against one another. And like, why? Like if it wasn't for a bow, it wouldn't have never been a prime. So I was thankful and appreciative, but they built this up to go against each other and to be rivals. And we just talked about life and sports and the positions and the expectation of a two sport guy, everything in that locker room that day. Yeah. Did you ever say that to Bo? That without you, there wouldn't have been a me. Did you say that? Yeah. Oh, of course. Whenever people say, oh, that's an athlete. I always defer. I say, if it weren't for Bo, it wouldn't have never been no prime. Because he laid the foundation to even attempt the two sports. He really did. The only man to ever hit a home run and score a touchdown in the same week is the only guy to ever play in the World Series and the Super Bowl. And you were part, as he's telling us right here, of molding him into the athlete that he became. All these years later. And the man. And the man. How proud are you of your connection with him? Sometimes I learn a long time ago, sometimes the best managing coaching you do is the managing and coaching you don't do. You know, we were surrounding with good people and it was very quickly, you know, we talked about his mother a lot. You know, I knew this guy had some real substance to it. And I just, you know, it's kind of like, it's one of those things behind closed doors. You can kind of get on them, but it's like you're chilling out in public. You don't want to hear anybody get on them. Okay. Until you walk and walk a little bit. And I knew the essence. And it was pretty easy to see. It didn't take John Super Scout to go, man, if I don't screw this up, you're going to be pretty good. So I tried to stay out of his way. But, you know, the little things like money, I mean, he just outran the ball jack. He'd take off in first base pictures halfway. You know, we start talking about his, you know, the moves and when, when you go, when not going. I tell you, he talked about both surgery. I had, I think I need surgery on my shoulder from trying to wave him around third base. That was fun. I'm trying to run with him down the line and I can't stay with him. So I only got about halfway down. And you don't see me in the shot. But that, that, that there was a lot of great moments, but I saw the greatest one game I saw a pro guy have was in London, Ontario. I tell people that. And then I got to see it inside the park home of my Yankee stadium that brought the house down. That's cool. Thanks. Man, I appreciate it. Let me tell you this, man, it's a handful of people that can call and get me on the phone immediately. And this man is one of them. I mean, it was a, but what you need, man, please, whatever you need, I'm there. I promise you I'm there. That's the kind of love and respect and admiration I have for this man. And, uh, but I don't even know if you notice, like when you were managing in, in, in Texas, and I, and I, because I came to the game and did all of the darn thing. And I set up in the stands. That was the first baseball game. I think I've ever watched. I had played the end of careers though, but that was the first game I've ever watched. And I was up there in amazement. Like, so this is how it looks. Like I had never really seen a baseball game live. Never, never watched one live. And I was in the stands in amazement. Like, wow, these guys include, I played that. Wow. So I appreciate that. But then you gave me a moment. You gave me a moment and I love it. Now you gave me one. I'm telling you, you gave me one. Just to watch the pureness, Jack, part of the, I don't know how you put it, but he had such a pure look at the game because he hadn't played and these got off and things called the travel teams and year round baseball and country club baseball. You know, I just, you know, hey, football's over what I want to do. I think I'm going to play a little baseball. Hey, baseball's over. I'm going to play a little basketball. I'm trying to stay out of trouble. Okay. Yeah. And that's just what you did. You went from sport to sport. And he had such a pure look at the game. It was fun to look at the game through his eyes, Jack. Hey, why did you and Buck connect so easily? Why did that real, man? Lost him so quickly and so easily. It's something that we call in the hood is real. Buck has always been real. He's always been 100. He's always not trying to form you into what he wanted you to be, but to just take parts of you that's already good and just enhance those. And hopefully those other parts of art, they fall away, but he treated everyone with the respect. He respected everyone. We respected him. He knew his stuff. He knew what he was talking about. And he had a connectivity to everyone in the locker room, not just the studs, but the guys that was going to get in in the ninth and pitch it or the relievers that rarely got a chance to throw. He connected with everyone in the clubhouse. And I think over his whole career, he has. That's why he could pick up a phone and call his players and they jump right on because of that, that compassion and that love and that understanding, man. And it ain't too many kids like that. It is. Jack, you know, it's funny to talk about Bernie Williams and Dion. I don't want to say brought him out of his shell, but I remember how much Bernie loved me on and to watch Bernie laugh uncontrollably. And at there and I said, okay, this guy's got something. He's got a charisma that people migrate to, but Bernie loved and Bernie was like 20 years old. Maybe 1920, 20, 20, but he was a puppy. We used to call him Bambi, you know, Bambi how he's drinking in the water and you look up and you hear sounds and he's always jumpy, but it was calm with Dion Dion brought him out of his shell. A lot of people don't realize that. Yeah, we had a good time, man. You know, I had to have a good time when I told him, I didn't even want to go up. I was dead serious, man. I'm good. You know, I live in the same apartment complex. Yeah. Yeah. Pork chops. He never invited me over for any pork chop in basically. I was like, come on, man. I'm having pork chops, baked beans. I'm like, I am too. I am. You said that meal every night. Pork chops, baked beans. I don't know if it was broccoli and cheese. I don't know if it's pork chop, baked beans, maybe in rice. And ice tea. It's sweet ice tea. Yeah. Yeah. Sweet ice tea. You hope we're getting that. Sweet ice tea. Yeah. You've, uh, you've talked about some Yankees that you crossed paths with. While Buck is here, I have to ask you this because he managed this guy. David Cohn was a tremendous pitcher, but you owned him. Wow. How and why did you own David Cohn? This is a story that I don't know if I've ever told. I was on a plane maybe four years ago. I'm in the first seat. I'm in like three A. And I've, you know, I always put the hood over my head, put my shades on and go to sleep. I sleep on planes as I catch up with my rest. And this guy said, what's up? And I'm like, oh man, I don't feel like having no conversation. I'm tired. He said, Brian, this is Cohn. What? I took my shades off. David Cohn. He said, man, tell me how'd you do it? I said, what do you mean? He said, you owned me. You like you? I tried to change locations, you know, arm placement, everything releases. I said, David, let me tell you something first. Thank you, man. Because if it weren't for you, I would have never played in the World Series. He said, what do you mean? I said, dude, they were on some bull jump and wouldn't let me play. He punished me because I wouldn't sign a long-term deal with him. So they benched me when I'm coming over there to help them. I could, I didn't even play. I don't even think I had it at that period. But, oh, David Cohn was up the pitch. You know, baseball is all analytics. And I like, oh, they gonna catch themselves in their own trap. And I'm like, I was like 500 lifetime off David Cohn. You could not justify sending me on the bench in the World Series. And I'm hitting 500 off this guy or plus. And that's the only reason I played in the World Series for David Cohn. And I thanked him that day. Because if it wasn't, I wouldn't have played if it weren't for David Cohn. You were nine for 15 off him in your career. By the way, I could tell you, I did this book with Coney. I could tell you didn't read it because on page 360, we've got that exact story. So he talked about that and how you sat down and you did not know who it was. Because he said, I don't look at me on the plane. I'll get my shades. I'm sitting, I sleep on planes. I recharge my battery, man. Because I'm usually, I've worked all day and I'm asleep. But he said it was Coney and I lit up like a Christmas tree when he told me who he was. First of all, he's so nice and so kind. But if it wasn't for David Cohn, I wouldn't have played in the World Series. And I thanked him truly for that. Buck, you had Cohn for part of a season and you've always talked about him being such a gamer. He just couldn't figure out Dion. That happens in baseball, right? He said he would, he would try and throw the kitchen sink at Dion and would eventually get back to fastballs and Dion would push the fastball. But you know, that's very reflective on what's going on in our game. You know, David, David's going to try anything. He'll throw the ball between his legs. He'll change drips. He'll invent pitches. He's not going to let somebody be in his brain. But Dion didn't play that stuff. He didn't let a lot of the mental, he would see the ball hit the ball, trust your ability. That's it, that's it. You know, he didn't over complicate it and there was a mental edge he had on David. And David knew he had it. And David tried like heck to get the edge back. And that's what you can't get across to some of the analytical people today is there is some mental part of this and emotional part of it that you can't teach. You know, Dion knew he had him and David knew he had him. Yep, yep, yep. And I knew I couldn't wait to get on base because I knew his stance. I knew when he was going home it was like, okay, I'm going to steal second, steal third. And all I needed to do was get on. And I was going to sit dead red. I was going to get back to it. I wasn't swinging at no junk cone and hit a lot of his all-speed junk strikes. I was sitting dead red, man. It's not a lady going to come with you. You're going to have to come. You didn't have to do that by banging a garbage can up the runway either, did you? That's right. Dion, I have to ask you this as we start to close this out here. I've seen you talk about this on the NFL Network. You're a freshman at Florida State in 1985. Bo's on his way to winning the Heisman. And there was a bit of a collision at one point where you could have prevented him from getting a touchdown. There wasn't no collision. That was Bo being Bo. And Bo baptized me on that particular day. It was so funny. It was a sweep. I remember it was a timeout right before the play and Bo just stopped, went behind, like 10 yards behind the huddle and just got to start waving his hands up for the Auburn crowd to get with it. And I was playing left corner and he got a sweep to the left. So that was opposite of me. And he broke, ran over a few people and I had the perfect angle and I went and got him. I'm like, oh, I'm going to run Bo Jackson down. Yeah. But when I got there, I didn't understand that this man was like six foot, 225 or 23. And powerful like he was. And he just put his hand on my head and he just stiffed me down and went on and over there after that. I know they're going to roast me for this one. They're going to roast me for this one. But at least I got stiff in my forehead palm by the guy who won the Heisman. So I was happy about that. Jack, that's what I'm saying. He went for it though. I'm going for it. But I tell you what, who ended up winning the physical confrontation in the end? Who separated their shoulder? Hey, did you get your shoulder separated? No. That hurt a little bit. Definitely. Playing a few years later in Yankee Stadium. Yeah, man. We've got a guy who was on the NFL's 100th year anniversary team talking to a guy who was a three-time manager of the year in Major League Baseball. And some of the things I'm going to take away from this was minor league game in London, Ontario and pork chops. So I just want to thank you guys for the great piece. Alright, don't forget the piece. Let me tell you something. I never said this. I believe if I would have played for Buck, I probably would have played baseball. Period. I would have foregone football. I probably would have because there was a time and Buck knows this. Some Yankee people know this. I was very close to signing a long-term deal with the Yankees. And football was part-time. But a manager like Buck could have kept me in there and kept me focused. Because I love playing for Buck, man. And I love him as a man and a friend. Yeah. Appreciate you, my man. Tell everybody in the family that said hi, Buck. You too. God bless you. Thanks a lot, Deion. Thanks a lot. That's a powerful way to end this interview. We're just going to stop it right there.