 When the minister of finance mentioned about the equipment, I was very much excited, when they said that they are going to put again 3,000 jobs because I was very much excited and I was expecting, since they are saying they 23 national budget, and 23 national budget starts in January, so why are they doing this? The other equipment, the way it happened, they advertised it and it went to about 3 months to 4 months, or 3 to 4 weeks, so I mean that's closer, it's about a month already. Then if I calculate, because we have got a group in WhatsApp where we are in lot one. You have the WhatsApp group of how many people? 1,700. And they are 2 not 1. 1,000? 1,022. No, 25, because they are often. Okay, 1,025. 1,022 is like I hear now there, so these are unemployed health workers. We are in the group. So we are in a WhatsApp group? Yes, so we are saying it. When someone suggested, someone said I think it is time to do a piece of protest so that you can, they can know that these people are going to implement. Then from there, which was just on WhatsApp, we are in lot on WhatsApp. So we cannot know maybe there are some people there who just have had a mutation, so we have done it. Okay, those who are serious to protesting, let's start contributing the money so that you can finance the protest. For example, if I come back to back my 10 watch. So those who are not serious, we are not contributing. So we come down and go. Serious protesters? How many are you? Serious protesters now? 8. 8? Yes. Okay, so the ones who paid 10,000 kwacha, 10 kwacha, also a 10 kwacha. Okay, to protest. So you raise 8,000 kwacha in short. Yes. And so this is the serious group out of the 1,000 and 20,000. But if we are coming from different areas, so what we do did we said we are going to write it up to the minister. We are going to write it up. The other guy will just go and have it. Okay, just answer. We will write it later. We are going to write it later. Because myself have a teacher. Okay. Then herself will take it. That's right. They will strike it. Do you know what people think? That maybe you are going to misuse money on people and then they will pass it. So we strike it properly. We have to figure out the safety of the people. Let's put it down. Let's put it in the middle to capture everyone. Just here. Yes. So that's when we did it with a separate letter for you to find the envelopes. Those who are going to the police like to have the letter confirmed when we stamped. We keep them when they want the money. We are going to get them. Since you are staying in Chesto. Since you are staying in Chesto. We are going to give you this 50 wajakos. Then just to give you money. That's how we organize it. So I want to be told exactly. That's what we are going to do for us. When are they going to advertise? That's one thing that we want to do. When are they going to advertise? So you belong to different sectors. You, there's a nutritionist here. There's a nurse and you here. There's a nurse. There's a nurse. And I'm sure you have other members. What? Some of them are doctors. Some of them are doctors. A lot of them work in hospitals. So now, all of you have associations. You belong to associations. That represent your issues. Am I right or wrong? For us, for me now. I'm not. I don't belong to any association. So it's an association. I don't belong to any association. You belong to them, isn't it? Yes. So all of you have where you come from. Nursing, cancer. Nursing association. Doctors, junior doctors association. If you are senior, senior doctors association. So all this time, you have not engaged them to find out what's happening in Quasenia recruitment? No. No one has spoken to you? No. Even on your forum, over 1000 of you. No one talks about what has been happening. Those who? Yeah, people, those kinds of patients were coming there. People would say, let's begin this people. Now, the debt was among the people who protested since we were paying. We were coming from 20 courtyards. They were saying, yeah, no. What do you want to include the rest destructions under? We know themselves are getting paid. We know what they want, you can speak on behalf of someone else. I must say, one day, so the time we reacted to the post, we were like, no, don't include them. Those people, they get paid. Some people do it and say, no. This day, they are fighting. Nobody enama something of that kind. So now, you know, we are ready for that. Then they are saying, yeah, no, it's not because that we are suffering. So we are not, we are feeling against them. But why did you come to engage or the PS or the director responsible for administration directly? Since you are saying if the associations that are presenting you will decide not to descend to them. So why didn't you come directly or why didn't you write a letter directly to anyone of us? We didn't have that access. Access to what? To see the minister. Even to write a letter? The letter is about that idea. So why didn't you write? Letter we got. It's just that the guy Ulenia of the police came to. We were thinking that they don't protest or come and give you the letter. No, but that's not the way you discuss issues. You don't come to protest. You come with the letter or you come with the story. Isn't it? Is it my right or wrong? Yes. So do you yourself think that your method of approaching us is correct? Honestly, in your own heart and you are supposed to be our doctors, our nesses, our physicians, whatever and in your mind you have not engaged the minister. The minister is difficult, I agree. You have not engaged the people which are not big officers which are representing your interests. You have decided that those are eating. We should not go to them. Somebody tells you, no, let's just protest. So this protest, did you go to the police to get a permit to say you want to protest? We just not fight them. Yes. When was that? Let us talk about it. 26. 26. Yes. 26 of July. Yes. So what did they respond? They just called us. Okay, they called me. That we should call them. Then when we went they were saying that if you do at the time protest, you are just saying 08 hours. So you also include from 08 hours to so that you can So I did that I went back to the group but they have said this. So I needed some other man because I traveled. From where? I stayed in Piesha. Because I needed another man to go there. So when I went there to stay at the police office I was told that no, it was not there. It was not there? No. So it was hard for me again to start going there. But I went after two days then I loaded the weight and wanted this to light. Then he told me that no, the debt is okay. The debt is not okay. So I'm light this, change the debt since the debt was for last time. Okay, that's an old application. Yeah. So again when I went back people in the group were like but it's just the debt since they have put the debt stop and they have said but as for now the weight is you can go ahead. They just go ahead again and just put going there. So the group would sell So group would influte? Yeah. So I can't start taking in Piesha and I can't send them money. She think as if. And just use the money for that. So what have you got to tell us? Since now you are here? Not much to say. I think everything has been said. Our main concern was when is the advertisement coming. I thought nowadays people use even social media. And the minister of health is on Facebook. Why didn't you use the Facebook to ask a question so that they are responding to you. Why didn't you use the Facebook because this is social media time now and the young ones reasons. So why didn't you use the social media since you say it was difficult to come here you didn't know what to do now my question is why didn't you use social media even just to write the president has a page the minister has a page the minister of health has a page So why didn't you put that question? They alluded to the police to inform them what we did we advertised on the media and then we advertised that we have to demonstrate. Yes and we are expecting to get attention of you because it's not easy for me even just here to talk with you just like to meet it's not easy. That's difficult. Is it difficult now? Now it's because because of the attention you are because of what we have done because if we just come here to say we want to meet maybe permanently say it can be maybe difficult Did you ever try? No, no, no. So you have never tried you just decided it's difficult but to become unruly is the best way Is that what you're telling me? No, I want to understand because I'm interested also to know what kind of people we are going to employ Remember you are 1,000 in your group I think the doctors I don't know how many there are I don't know how many clinical care people are waiting to be employed and the number of employment is only 3,000 Last time last year when we advertised for 11,000 they were over I think we had the highest number of applicants in hundreds thousand, isn't it? So why would I pick a person like yourself who is unruly living decent officers who are trained because minister of health is about life it's about the life of people it's not minister of minds it is not minister of sports where you can become a aster and a boxer, no problem you know this is about life and death of person of your brothers and sisters who are sick and seeking support from you, the health workers now these are the type of health workers I must employ who have not tried they decided you know wanted to attract your attention by becoming unruly meaning even when the government employs you and one month maybe the government has no money to pay you what is going to happen? you become unruly because you have a reason a very good reason for that matter now you are begging for a job from your government to employ you and you behave this way you will be employed isn't this what we are facing now where the public are complaining about our health workers that we are rude to them we don't pay attention we are always on the social media we are not there we are not present this is what people are complaining against us now who are in the health sector ourselves as nurses and everybody else now with this kind of behavior by you the health workers who are not yet employed out of the 5,000 people that are out there and they need 3,000 I should pick you will it be right for me to pick you I want your answer honest answer don't even be afraid of me I am your mother you are the ones who voted for me to sit here so you are my bosses now tell me yourselves out of the so many I should pick the 4 of you or the 8 of you who choose to use a method where you pay money you go to the police you have time for all that long process you have time for that but you have no time I get a lot of funds from people on this fund ask my officers they will tell you I don't sleep they wake 24 7 the president is on the phone 24 7 communicating with ministers to wake so how is it difficult for you to approach us it's just a simple question when are we going to be employed you decide to demonstrate there are many issues in the minister of health we have issues of few workers waking over time in the hospitals so you are going to have patient because I have a nurse working in a critical place where there supposed to be one nurse to two patients but she is looking after maybe 8 patients who are critically ill now are you going to manage to work like that if you don't even have patients to ask just a simple question how come minister of education they are employing is anybody teacher going there to open them have you heard any teacher was going to demonstrate so what is so special about you that you should use demonstration the police there is so much crime in this country there must be wasting time for you to demonstrate to come and escort you when you can just walk here you heard here I am sure you heard that I have an open police how come it is difficult every when is there I speak to everybody not just in usaka the whole country through the provinces, through the districts through the health facilities including your associations why didn't you come on Wednesday to come and air your consents if they were in I am also aware that the associations have told me that you have just been funded some of them to create confusion so that's what I am interested in now to learn from because your story I thought you had a better story to tell us which we can appreciate clear you have no story to demonstrate so you have demonstrated since you wanted to attract our attention so what next because now I will be very honest with you I am relactant to consider people like you in fact I am interested in the 80 to know who these are that you had time to form a side to put money to demonstrate in the meantime you said you are supposed to be volunteers why did you have so you are not even doing the work that you are volunteering I am a MP myself and I am in a council I am in the community I know genuine cases I know genuine cases that's why I said let's come and have the conversation let's hear if you have a real valid point and I will take it but there is no valid point here there is nothing PSO Director Administration there is no valid point here for the demonstration even for writing to the police instead of writing to the minister to the PSO to evening director if you had shown me proof that you came to his office he didn't attend to you I would have forgiven you very quickly myself and I would have been on him as directors because he has an obligation to answer you that's why we are here we are going to the PSO and he has ignored you I would have been on him if you told me that no you rushed to me and the letter is in my office I have not responded to you I would have begged you to say please forgive me who look into your mind but I am not doing that because I realize that you are the troublemakers and I am not about to agree that troublemakers should be put in government even when you are volunteering I want you to remove it from there because you could be the people causing us trouble even in these hospitals because you are not there for work you are there to destabilize that's what I have concluded myself tell me no and convince me that I am wrong you have the flow any one of you please feel free this is your office it's not mine I would like to apologize to you the minister and the entire member of the administrative for our misconduct we didn't follow the right procedure of us protesting could have come to the minister or seen the permanent secretary or the administrative but we didn't do any other where misguided but the advisement was to come out we can go and apply that was our intentions not anything like punishing the reputation no and as for the letter we wrote the letter to you about the minister was sending the same we wrote the letter to you just that the person holding the letter was having the letter the time we were taking the police wasn't with us we tried calling him down before we came up to him tried calling him was a bit far but we wrote the letter we didn't bring it you wrote the letter but we didn't bring it yes we didn't bring it madam you want to speak for yourself yes I apologize I don't want you to apologize because I'm sitting here no it's coming from deep in my heart I'm really sorry for everything that has happened today it wasn't my intention my intention to it wasn't my intention to bring confusion cause disturbances like this but my appeal to everyone is that please hear my I'm very sorry for everything that I did for everything that I was involved in you know when you are being pressured at home we are kept by different people so when you are pressured at home okay they did this for you like when I stay in my Kenya house use transport money for them going to volunteer at a certain hospital which is Kanyama genus I always use about FAT culture everyday so sometimes they can give you something they don't give you they start calling your names maybe it's your fault but all wanted all I wanted was to not away so that maybe I can prepare myself financially and maybe yes madam you are the ringleader as I can tell from your face so use your chest okay first of all I apologize but when we took this step personally I never knew that maybe you are injured you are injured yourself yes looking at what the leader was telling us about the protest which you did this one so ask me personally my intentions were just like so we are like kind of thinking that maybe my own thinking I was thinking that maybe the recruitment won't take place probably maybe to be next year so how maybe the minister or maybe the primary secretary or something about this recruitment because there is nothing on the ground yes otherwise there is nothing else like fighting the government no that was not even part of my plan yourself the boss you speak for yourself because you are the leader you are the one who inside to do these skills to join you how much you are ready no you are not ready but you are the boss for the agreement group you are pushing me you are pushing the government and you think that is how you get the job but I want to tell you you will not get the job I must tell you here you will not get the job because you are the wrong type of people to take to a hospital you abandon the patients that's what you are going to do you have already shown who you are especially you who is the green leader in that case let them get out from being volunteers these are troublemakers so you can speak I think we can also start saying that you just find the person you have to continue but otherwise it is not a procedure like there is even something like that how come you didn't go even to officers to your leaders where you are did you ask them so you are in a facility you have a facility manager there you have left that but you have time to be on social media you have a lot of time to go to the police you have time to go all over the show but you have no time to go to your supervisors to ask them you have no time to come to your ministry no you don't have time even just to send a text message minister when is this recruitment or minister we have this issue director or any officers that we keep we didn't have time so you think access will be through demonstrations and by them it is your right to demonstrate it is your right except do it properly and also let it make sense let it make sense don't unnecessarily create confusion for the police to waste time on you when there is a lot of crime on town you who is even volunteering as you claim but it is your right but when your right is done in a manner that becomes disruptive for others because this time I'm sitting with you it's a waste of my time a lot of waste of time I could be doing something more predictable to the institution because this issue is a small issue so go ahead I just need not the process itself and there are a lot of people who are contributing it's just it's not that they are willing but there are a lot of people they have given me 80 hands contributing that's what you are doing you can go and go and demonstrate that's what they are telling you there are some people who are like that other guy I think he was a doctor last year he was demonstrating so sometimes you can say you guys were sitting thinking that they are going to improve you through WhatsApp that's what they are telling you come out of your camp that's what they are demonstrating that's how you demonstrate that's how you get in play I want to show people that those that demonstrate don't get jobs through you now because that's what they told you demonstrate that's how you be playing I want to show you and send a message to young people like you who may be used for wrong things so you can try next year for giving you try next year for this employment not you let me send a message to everybody out there that demonstration is not the way to speak to people you come, you write it's a very simple man and there is no demonstration to talk about here but I just want to use you to send a message you are your mother yes I'm your mother but the mother has to discipline children when they are wrong I have to discipline my children but the other children who are good should not behave like you so you next year next employment you can continue doing whatever you can even stop of no problem next year you apply I can guarantee you but not this one this one no will not so let me just explain to you I think just for your information I don't think you really wanted to know because some people told you demonstrate that's the way government we don't hear through demonstration we hear through coming through writing letters through calling us but not demonstration especially when there is no need to demonstrate last year we employed 11,000 people we made promises to some people and those promises we are not fulfilled because the process was not implemented from here the process was implemented in the districts I'm sure you will know that we have decentralized here at the ministry we don't employ people directly we employ people through the provinces and the districts but because last year it was a little bit clumsy we wanted this year to do a better job but last year we just went directly to employing people this year we are not directly employing people this year we are using the 3,000 firstly to upgrade those that are already in the system because we have a lot of health workers who should have been promoted maybe 10 years some of them 12 years ago but they were not promoted so they were employed as intent doctors for example maybe 7 years or 8 years ago and by now some of them are senior doctors but they are still being played as if they are intent doctors same for nurses same for all the categories of the ministry of health workers so because of that many of them are frustrated I'm sure you will also be frustrated you are employed as a driver you up your game you are now supposed to be an administrative officer they even call you an administrative officer but you are still receiving the side of the driver that's what has happened to many of the workers in the ministry of health so a police decision was made and announced that this year we are going to use this money to promote those so that they are on their correct positions because everybody will be lifted up there is going to be a vacancy at the bottom now that is the vacancy that we are going now to advertise to recruit those like yourselves that is the process last year we mainly just employed people you know workers and all this year we are not just employed we are face starting to promote this is a police decision that we made to help improve the workmanship of those that are working so that they don't feel like they are being abused working for over 7 years no promotion even when they are consultants have you understood that so that process had to be done properly so that people don't say we are favored that one me have been left out of promotion because this one is coming from my region all these excuses you like to give and to do that the ministry has engaged all the associations under medical under the health sector all associations starting from zambia medical association the RIDSA the residents doctors association the nurses the nutritionists the clinic officers association associations under minister of health sitting with that director of administration we have been meeting and agreeing how they are going to do the promotion who they are going to promote after they agreed they agreed this 3000 to share this 3000 a certain number has been allocated to doctors a certain number has been allocated to nurses and for the first time because there are some professions that people get trained but they have never been employed but we wanted to ensure that even people who say I did what is that those skills which I have ever included all those now we have tried to cater for them through the association sitting down with the relevant department in the minister of health after they did that they made a presentation to me as minister and the other people in the ministry and we looked at what they have done we didn't change anything we agreed with the associations that's why last 2 weeks ago when you wanted to demonstrate they were surprised and that's why they abandoned you they said why are they demonstrating because it's us so why are they demonstrating that's why your first demonstration was abandoned this one where you sent a message I told everybody allow them to come let them demonstrate it is their right let them come and see us that's why we called you so what I wanted to hear because I was told no somebody is using me but I said no maybe nobody is using me maybe they are not the right people to employ now I found out you have confirmed nobody is using you it is your mindset and I've said that you are too young not qualified to work under the minister of health try police try other sectors but not health because they have police that can tolerate you maybe even education because you are the wrong type because you need to have proper teachers to bring up people's children it's ok for you minister of mine but not health because I've listened to you you have no issue you just thought like you said they told you don't be on social media just demonstrate that's how we got employed employment is through protest we'll be sending a wrong message we need to send the right message through you helping your government nobody does what you do because otherwise we'll cause a disruption today you didn't cause a disruption no, there's no disruption actually when I heard you were here I said please keep them I want to come and address them myself as minister many of your friends were coming here they always come we had that group of 500 from World Bank and I told them I can't employ the whole 500 I think a smaller number was employed I told them to try again this year they will try they will be employed maybe all of them this time will manage to finish you were never employed in the past how come you are not protesting how come now is it because the president has given so much freedom and you are abusing that freedom instead of harnessing it we never heard of anybody protesting for a job this is the first time I am hearing that people are protesting at minister of health to be employed I never heard of any protest and in most cases there was no process of employment which was widely announced open and transparent you didn't protest how come now when we are more transparent to your protest I think we are wrong ourselves so we need to change our style of leadership that's what I think now that those who protest for no good reason must not be entertained and those who protest must also not be entertained unless those who have used illegal methods they came to us we have disappointed them they have written to us we have never responded to them they have tried to phone us we have told them get off yes they have a good reason but not after all the effort we are making this team is making an effort to work with everybody every week when is there we meet everybody we speak to everybody so there is no reason except that you are just not the qualities of people that should be in the minister of health you are in danger to the patients because you are going to abandon the patients because you are going to have reasons it's not possible that you can stay one new without a good reason new women have good reasons this time you don't have any reason you could have come to us you didn't do that so cut the long story short after we have agreed with your representatives all the associations and the numbers also of how many doctors are going to be employed have been agreed and not really suggested by us because we had our own suggestions which they tamed down and agreed that's how you run government by talking isn't it so we agreed to the numbers which they agreed we also showed them the value in terms of money which is available in the budget they were also able to appreciate that and normal human beings they could see that this is the best we could give them and then themselves said no for this year let's take this next year we see again how we proceed so this is the short story that I have to give to you and obviously the employment has processes we write to the PSMD for authority to release the resources for us to do the needful the PSMD also has to write to settle the treasury to seek the treasure authority this is not kandemba this is government their procedures and the processes once we are told go ahead with the advert then we will put the advert once the advert is put luckily for us this time we have already done the processes we have already talked to all the associations we have agreed how many essays we are going to employ we have agreed also how many doctors we are going to we have already agreed on those numbers so they will be known moving away from those numbers another issue matter we are not allowing you who lives in usaka to go to chinsari in a village to go and apply doesn't chinsari have people like you who are also trained as nurses they are there this time this country is being governed on the principle of equity so we are not allowing you people in usaka to go to chinsari to go to kalomu to go and get employed there and off you are the people but once we employ you after three months you want transfer to come back to usaka this is the problem that we are we are not allowing that you apply where you live so if your slot for your district is 100 and you are 300 we only get 100 of you the other 200 will not be quoted that 200 for chinsari is for the people of chinsari not again to take people from chinsari what do you think? they don't want a job like you they also need a job isn't it? isn't it only fair? it's fair isn't it? so don't apply to go to chinsari like what you wanted to go to ikerengi to go and apply no you apply here where you live and if the space is there for you it will take you those who live in ikerengi and chinsari they will apply there they will be taken in chinsari so that we don't have these stories after 3 months your parents come in here saying no my daughter must come back to rosaka we are not allowing that so there is decentralization when we send money to chinsari that money is for the people of chinsari not people from musaka to go and become contractors even for small jobs we only cross when we can't find that qualified doctor when we don't have a consultant in chinsari we can take sample from rosaka and take to chinsari that's what we are going to do you have understood today and by the way working as a volunteer is not guaranteed this time around because you are a volunteer people have become volunteers not because they want to be but because they think it's a gateway to getting a job we are past that time now the issue of volunteers of last year not for this year this year we are employing people on merit yes being a volunteer is an added advantage if you say you speak English this is in English speaking and you say yes I speak English and French then you say this is an added advantage so being a volunteer is just an added advantage it is not a guarantee that because you are a volunteer then you are going to get the job so only those who are truly committed to being volunteers because we also know some people there bring their relatives to make the volunteers and think that automatically you should employ them just want to be that way any questions any question any question so we agree that I hope I will not hear that you are causing trouble again you have a question ask and your face looks familiar to me yes video now is what people used to say your face looks familiar some notorious somewhere are we meeting for the first time please proceed I don't think you have a question you have no question at least we have hit what you have it was hide it so you apply next year not this year okay how much do you raise how much do you raise how much do you raise how much do you raise did you rise for demonstration 800 direct as you feel but as you look into self strange that now when government is employing last year we had over 12,000 over 12,000 unprecedented in this country and we had over 10 years of no recruitment meaningful recruitment and no one was demonstrating wouldn't it be that you would actually be grateful to the government that we had 12,000 and this year we have 3,000 these are huge numbers government a lot wouldn't it be that would be more appreciative than even demonstrating because there is hope now yes I never had the we could make an estimate to hope when the announcement was made but I have had them planning to demonstrate I hope some of us were left out when they mentioned at the national party in 2020 we saw a thing in that now things just time something else and then this is your cast the time some of us we applied last year we were left out then the means of finance announced that there would be another set of recruitment this year some of us were excited because we still have a chance to work with the government and about what happened today it will never repeat itself because we have learned so much from you the other procedures and the elections happening in the government we didn't even like for instance for me personally I never knew that everywhere they took to the public and other steps we took high offices and we took the worst decision of us protesting could have foresought it maybe would have been guided better I hope you are going to guide your other colleagues better and you are going to tell them that as they ate the minister said no employment until next year except for the rest you are going to tell them isn't it you are also going to tell them next time anyone does this no more we are not getting I would have considered you are my mother even as I make this decision I make it with a very sad heart that I have a job to do to make sure that this country does not degenerate in Anaki because if I allow this I am not helping the government and I am not helping the people of Zambia and I am helping my other children we are in age with you you see the point so I have to use you to send a message to everybody because the truth of the matter is the 1,000 of you not all of you can be employed even if I wanted because the budget is limited to that number you understand so in choosing and all of you are all educated all of you are in Egypt and you also have to look at the hearts of the people that we are going to choose so you the 80 must be the first ones to be eliminated instead of me promoting this kind of civil service no I feel sorry for you and I feel sorry for your families but that is what life is all about that's how we learn that's how we learn because if I don't do that and in discipline among the people who are supposed to be good citizens and especially if I had the whole number to employ I just want you and I would ask you to employ me but the number is small and I have to choose the best out of the number now I cannot pick people like you leaving the good people I think it to be unfair for the government because you are the ones that have to look after patients and patients when they are sick they are not easy to handle you know what I mean so thank you very much that you are able to come and you are free I don't think there is any other issue I think the issue really is we wanted to interact so that we learn from you but you also learn we have learned I'm sure you will not repeat this again but at least for the eight of you I don't think and I don't think if you are friends who want to be put around they will do it again they will not but I know unless it's not them themselves unless there is another force we have said there is no force and if to just do there is no force I don't expect any more trouble from you but we are together we will continue working the next year you will find better in the system because you would have learnt a lesson but we have not put a force in a way to ahead people behind they might be workers or fellow students maybe to be aware of question because we are forcing this to demonstrate I think that this is a lesson to the young people that are looking for employment especially in government that discipline is important it's a prerequisite to get employed that is point number one but I think it's also a lesson for us that are in government that maybe our communication is not effective enough that is the second point so it's a lesson the third point also if there are people behind them I think that also I can have a word that you are just destroying innocent children these are children with families families that have spent money and to start confusing the young ones to do things that will not help them is actually destroying their lives and their future and I would like to say please leave the young people away from politics because for me this is politics there is nothing into this that's what I mean I've been in this country this industry long enough I've been in this kind of thing long enough to know when something is natural or something is not natural okay I know that people like she said don't just sit here go and demonstrate that's how we go to our job now if that is the message they have it's important for us to act decisive so that we don't have this kind of situation next time again like I said one of the things we are doing as a ministry is that we are running a very very consultative process and I'm sure if some of our colleagues in the sector were honest enough they'll tell you that there is no secret in this ministry everything we do we do openly I think under this administration under this new PS PSC Professor Asimonga and his team I've told them to run a there's no secret because we are public servants this position we are holding is not ours so what is there for us to hide from them because we are working for them they have set us to work for them but we also know that there is a lot of overpolicization of anything that is being done those that messed up the system are the ones that are creating problems for us they are the ones that are enticing innocent children to be demonstrating to be agonists even when what we are doing is for them I want good PSC this is unprecedented when we did you hear people every year the government is advertising and they are employing not just in the ministry of health but in all the sectors so there will be more announcement not from the ministry from all the ministry who hear the announcements concerning employment this year so I hope that this process will make you stronger will make you better and for myself I can tell you that this process is making me stronger and much more wiser so thank you very much you can come anytime when you have issues you are free to come you are free to go to any of the offices this is your office and you are free to continue as what you call it you are free to as volunteers but you will not be employing