 Hey everyone, welcome back to the Nintendo Prime podcast season two episode 32 We have a full six pack for you guys tonight really really excited to get into some really juicy stuff on switch to little bit of Metroid Prime 4 oh baby, and then I Don't know little Pokemon presents I don't know you guys can also by the way get some questions And if you want then we'll take towards the end because don't know that we're gonna have a lot to say about the Pokemon presents If you want to get your questions in you just do what you know as little as like a $2 super chat get your question So it saves on the side over here And I can feature it on the stream towards the end when we actually answer them all right that being said Let's go around introduce all of the guests and what they have been playing lately Let's start directly dead center at the top mr. lamb How's it going and what you've been playing? Howdy Hi everybody, my name's flam the twitch guy Here I'm not the I'm the one non youtuber. I still do a little bit you too, but I'm more twitch Yeah, no, so I've been playing I've been playing a lot of Pikmin because I would travel to bunch recently like I was saying for the podcast So then horror on that Pikmin for grind love it. It's been a great game to play It's not like miserable on your switch battery life either So you can get a good like four or five hours out of it before your switch like needs to recharge and Still be playing Pikmin. So yeah, but that's that's that's what I've been up to Nice nice nice right next to the man. We have coming back again. Ninten talk. How's it going? I am playing animal crossing like always, but I got a recommendation for Nate actually I don't know if anyone else here is sports fans, but legend bowl came out today. It's a retro Football game and it's really good nice Just came out today. It's like tech mobile. It has like a Like it's great. All right, I'm gonna go I'm gonna go maybe purchase this right now NBA jams. Yeah, NBA. Yeah. Yeah, pretty great to double dribble back in the day NES Double yeah Paul Gale never you're up buddy. We've been playing lately Pikmin 4 and Street Fighter 6. Oh By the way, congratulations Paul Gale network on hitting 3000 subscribers Awesome. Thank you. And for those who don't know he dropped eight years to the Kingdom review that yours truly is part of So you guys should go check that out in his channel might get re-uploaded on my channel at some point We'll see I'll probably have a lazy day Where I'm like, you know, I'm taking today off. Here's a here's a review Right use that to get you some more subscribers Uh, Nick with no K. What do you got going on what you've been playing? Probably not connected well, I would reinsert it. That's probably what it is Something's going on. It's funny. We just had this fixed. We just okay. We'll come back. I'm just reset. What have you been playing lately, bud I've been going back and forth between Pikmin and tears of the kingdom one nights Pikmin one nights Here's the kingdom and another night just passing out watching one piece. So You're five, baby. Yeah, yeah Hardcore one piece fan Hardcore I did cosplay as Luffy at a comic-con. Awesome. Have you seen all the episodes? That's crazy if you've seen every single one So I'm actually currently in finishing up the Fishman Island arc, which is around the 500s this would be my third time rewatching the series So like what how I watch one piece because it's slow-paced. I'll watch like Like a half a dozen or so episodes and I'll get caught up I don't take a break for a few months watch something else instead So I can it's easier to binge it because of how slow-paced it is You can just kind of skip the intros and get like a good chunk But because I was waiting so long for gear five is like, you know what let me just start the entire series over It's probably gonna take me half year to watch it again, right? And here we are gear five is out or gear fifth and Yeah, but those don't know gear fifth is basically like the equivalent to like Luffy's Super Saiyan that we've been waiting like decades for Nice man, it's not just a power-up. It's there's more to it than that, but yeah Yeah, no, I like one piece. It's one of the few enemies I do watch. I did not know that actually I Guess we're more friends now It's one of them like it's like the only one Well, it's like the most popular My favorites only one season long well, I guess Technically, no season two doesn't matter. That was irrelevant. That was a bad season. What? Fully-coolie FLC. Oh, yeah, see if it's working. You're still Okay, I guess you're up. What are you been playing lately? Um, nothing Aside from maybe I got like one fortnight game in here Maybe 20 minutes on tears of the kingdom there. I've honestly been swamped between Work and doing a ton of stuff for the podcast I haven't had time to sit down and actually play anything, but now that we're past episode 100 Which was like our big like oh we got a put in a ton of work for this I'll have time so I can actually go back to playing video games. So that'll be fun Congrats on episode 100 by the way. I watched it during the premiere. Oh It was watching live, but that's okay. It's like 30 or 40 views or something right now. Yeah It's climbing tomorrow have a million That would be great I'm still waiting for that million view video. I've got one. I've got one my body is ready It's got two million views. I was the one that I was the first to put that beam on YouTube. So yes Long time ago. Yeah, right. We need the sequel. I don't know. Doug Bowser's got to do something I don't know they don't do stage presentations anymore. So I don't really know where I'm gonna get the meme from but Maybe Nintendo live maybe yeah, maybe he saw something crazy on stage there with somebody you know like, huh what clip I Got a lot of neurons firing right now, like I think you could really There's a really cool video series you could do involving my body is ready. Just you know a series of shorts Do whatever you want with it my friend all of them keep me keep yeah, you're keeping all these brain blasts I'm gonna explode. I won't be able to do the pot. Oh my god, you know what you better You know what you got to email me these ideas you always say you have them and then I don't get them And I know you're not gonna use them and then you forget about them. Yeah No, the my body is ready movement is for you Okay, did you think about it? I have the og on YouTube with that. All right, right ready. Okay, sure Recently expressed to me. I don't know if it's public. So forgive me if it's not a public thing We've recently expressed to me that you've been more having more doing more of a concert effort For your health eating healthier exercising you could turn that into a series Call it my body is ready. My body is ready It could be wholesome but also funny the content see this sounds like a great idea But every time my body is ready and appears on my videos. I lose subscribers I'm probably losing subscribers right now Just being on my own channel. Well, so that's the thing though I also think like depending on how you kind of raise it how you campaign, right? Like if it's about hey join me on this journey to ready my body We're getting ready for switch to we've got to be it like fitness. Yeah, like yes. Yes Oh my god, work out every day until switch all night or on launch night because I don't have that sort of energy anymore Work out again It's like I remember when Nintendo land came out I had this idea to put on like wrist weights and go through the the Zelda like sword fighting thing It's a calorie burner. Just saying that I bet. Yeah So Oh, sorry, that might be a good idea. Oh Oh, I'm gonna be a little selfish here. I'm gonna be a little selfish here Um, because I rarely do this but I hit 30,000 subscribers today. You did Nice, I knew you were right there. I was hoping it was gonna happen right before the show. That's awesome. It did Congratulations. So 30k there with 3k for Paul. Dude. I'll just keep growing all of us. It's good. Uh, Nick with no case, uh, nerdiest podcast. Let's get that to a thousand subscribers. We can do that I'm trying to get there by the end of the year. That's the hope do it. Where you at? Uh, I think we just hit 555 today. Okay Oh, nice. Give a thousand and monetize, baby. Let's do it All right, I don't think it's a thousand anymore. I Is it 500 now? I don't even know it's 500 for like you can For 500 and 3,000 hours of watch time you have access to super chats memberships and you can put your store Like oh like merch. Yeah, but you can't have access to the watch ads Until you hit the usual 1000 subs 4,000 hours watch time back in my day. It was 10,000 subscribers and like 50,000 watch. I was so stupid It was insane back It was really bad. I the heart of the anyone was monetized on youtube back then. It was so crazy The old nintendo creators program. Oh god. That made it even worse And he had to give you like them like 40% of your money just to use a trailer Just to use a trailer 40% and you couldn't even use trailers of everything Smash forget about it. You can't even put that gameplay up and you're done. It was None of the games people wanted to talk about were whitelisted. It was so dumb Oh my gosh, those those were not great days if you were trying to make a living As a nintendo content creator anyways. All right. Uh, what have I been playing lately? I have been playing pickman 4 still rocking that playing, you know, I got I got another one six or seven hours in this last week and then Look, I know I'm probably gonna be I I would say I just got to the nighttime For the first time. Okay. Well, that depends on what you find, right? Um, how many how many areas can you explore in the day? three Okay, okay I don't know how many there are you because I haven't beat the game Are you on the path of 100 in area before you go on to the next one because that's what I've been doing I've it so it's been taking me a lot longer like get through the game, but I've been I've been loving I love this game so far. It's so yeah, I'm I think I'm Might be my favorite pickman, but we'll gotta Yeah, we'll we'll do an episode on that um, but Also, look, I know I'm probably gonna be dunking on the pokemon presents later. It's just look it's everyone's favorite past time this week but uh I gotta say I've been playing the pokemon trading card game It is what it is. It's good. Love that game. It was one of my it's got online That was one of my favorite games game boy color games growing up Game I'll do it's still y'all. We should have a stream where we battle each other in the trading card game That is amazing. I love the trading card game. That'd be sweet. Hey, hey, how about let's catch How about a you to a youtuber trading card game tournament live? Yeah All the cards back in the day as pure art so I never played so that game on game boy was a good one I have all my original cards right over there. You got you got the og's a couple of years This is this is the new stuff. Oh, it's the new ones. Okay. That's worth checking out. Yeah So I I am like in the the meta like I'm playing competitively recently I've been playing online. So I have my sheen pal and palkea deck right here Um, and then I've also run a garter war deck But yeah, this is like the NAIC championship that happened back in like a month ago at this point Um, so we're saying is we have we have our mega pokemon fan on the show and when he Presents later, you'll know it's bad. Oh, yeah I think the um, there we'll talk about it later. I'm just gonna wait. I'll wait. I'll wait to talk about it I'll wait to talk about it. All right. So right before we get into our topics I usually have I have a little bit of quick news There really wasn't a whole lot that happened this last week that wasn't related to the stuff We're going to be talking about but there was this weird story that happened where Nintendo Patented basically the abilities in tears of the kingdom You know ultra hand and all of that and apparently it's controversial and some fans think it's stupid Because other games have used similar abilities Like nuts and bolts and like it's weird Uh, just for some context Nintendo patents everything Also patents don't mean nobody else can use it because it's really hard to patent an idea And the thing is Nintendo's actually lost over 180 lawsuits with games trying to use things that they had patented So like if being patented it's not going to prevent other games from using the idea How they executed it maybe the code base behind it. They can't touch but I have I have no idea I don't know why people are mad this patent would have been filed before the game even came out They just didn't let it come out, you know public until after so they don't leak more details of the game, but Kind of weird Yeah, it seems weird to me that I mean it's probably just for the names honestly like the ultra hand and whatever Mess up the lore. I don't know why people are mad Honestly, I apparently there's more people have said about it than I realized So I almost made a video on it and then I realized who cares So I can't believe people let me piss off I don't want to feed into it. So I don't blame them though Like how many how many games now have like gliders and like there's been so many breath of the wild ripoffs But yeah, it's kind of funny to think about how before breath of the wild thing could not jump Rocks further come on now Yeah, but you know, it's like run to a ledge and it's a button press any jumps. What do we do? Sometimes there's automated jumps. I supposed to but yeah I like that change it made things much more fluid. Do you remember in skyward sword? Oh Skyward sword needs a jump button Oh, it made that game so much better. I could have benefited and and more frames It's like a fighting game with how precise you had to be to jump onto a vine. Yeah swing. It's like exactly Yeah Anyways, uh, so for our first topic we got some more nintendo switch to stuff. Hey everyone celebrate. This is what you wanted, right? So first off we have, you know, everyone's favorite probably non insider zippo Don't really know you get some stuff, right? He doesn't get some stuff, right? Look, it is what it is the internet keeps covering them. So we keep covering them He does say a couple of things though that seem a bit obvious, but maybe people didn't think about The two things he said on switch to this week was one that the they're aiming for the price to be $399 It's like I guess the golden price, which basically just means that's what they really really want it to cost Whether or not it actually will be at that So he sort of has an out if it's not over it's more expensive Well, it's because they couldn't get it to that that cost they wanted anyways and then his other thing he said was that nintendo and epic games have formed a partnership to use unreal engine in with more of their teams Including like intelligent systems for fire emblem game freak of all companies which I find to be interesting maybe Maybe instead of them fixing the game like nintendo promised they would nintendo instead Flex their muscle and said we're tossing this engine in the trash And you're using unreal. I don't know Thank god That might be an extreme wishful thinking, but uh, anyways, the pokemon games run so well though Rcs was all right. I mean, yeah, but it wasn't that bad. They do turn on Look, look you can beat them They are you might have to restart a few times. You might fall through the world once or twice There's pokemon in them Did y'all know that on glass japanese glass door game freakies the worst rated poke or a Game or just company in general. It's the worst rated company in the country of japan Well, take that as you will Maybe maybe that's the problem Maybe it's really bad and they have a lot of turnover. I that's the thing because they're in japan I'm so isolated from like yeah, we're quitting and being hired there So we don't we don't know like what's actually happening like behind maybe that maybe that's why nintendo's like look We tried to fix your trash ass game. We couldn't do it. You're using unreal get over it. It just works We already made it work with pikman. You're good It works anyways And some of their e pd teams would end up using it as well And I guess the biggest part of it was that he said that the 3d mario game is gonna be using it Which is interesting. I can't dismiss it because Miyamoto literally just used the engine himself personally I'm pikman 4 so I can't dismiss that they might use it. I kept wondering You know, yeah, nintendo's has a couple games right now on unreal engine 4 like They usually don't use outside engines and I was wondering why they might be doing it The only thing I could think of is not that there are more modern architecture Unreal engine is sort of already optimized for modern architecture So it could just be that it actually just runs way better than they ever expected it to So why put in a bunch of work on internal stuff when an external one can do what they want and they'll just modify it For whatever. Yeah, like the the all the nvidia stuff is like made with unreal in mind, right? So yeah Yeah, and obviously if you have a new system coming out with even more modern architecture like Unreal unreal engine 5 probably just runs fine on it. So there is one engine that is better It's on my lunchback I was just gonna say whatever the metric prime engine is Yeah You're killing it. I know engine produces pretty visuals too. Have you seen? I know. I know one of the best looking games on switch. I it is very good. It's very good party developers to Jump on nintendo switch too. And that's what they try to do, you know with Making yoshi's crafted world or woolly rolls now crafted world crafted room. Yep, that is Hey, you could use your engine on here. Here's how successful. Here's how nice it looks. So Make a compelling argument. Maybe they do something that bold which would be crazy with mario Supposedly if we could make it this good imagine you've got these resources too But I don't know Nintendo to use something else other than their internal for mario is wild Yeah, I have I have a hard time with that. Yeah, but I have to check the source It's zippo. It's zippo. Oh Yeah, that's bullshit. Sorry. That's why that's why that's why I said at the very beginning This is everyone's favorite. Oh, I thought I thought we I thought we passed it But we were to move on to something else, which is why it was still zippo. No, no So you guys got any thoughts on this the three the $3.99 price Or a real engine, I don't know $3.99 I mean kind of makes sense Especially if they're gonna sell it alongside this OLED and like just keep selling the OLED while they sell the new one because I feel like it would be a little too confusing or at least in their mind. It would be too confusing to have two 350 consoles be like, oh, why does this one better, but it costs the same like Also, it's Nintendo. They know they can get that extra $50 out of us and they're like, well Kind of like with tears of the kingdom. They're like, oh, we can get that extra $10 out of you and they Sure did And they're like, well, if you're gonna pay us like why not get that extra $50 Look, I mean last week I said $2.99 I'm sticking with $2.99 for switch to and I was reminded of something that that uh that Player essence brought up when they asked him about this exact same thing, you know, he was just he just said yeah $3.99 makes sense and there was a follow-up question. Would that make it Nintendo's most expensive? debut console of all time and he said yes, and I realized I went back and checked it would be the most expensive debut console I think they're just gonna stick with it. I'm sticking with my $2.99 until Nintendo announces it and watches thing be $500 no, oh jeez then you better have that OLED panel. You better give me a terabyte of internal storage Yeah, better be a playstation 4 pro or better like how would they release it at 300 though? Like it would have to have better specs. It would probably I would say because Unless it goes I said they sacrifice the OLED I think they're gonna sacrifice OLED for power and it's just gonna be like I'm gonna come back to the screen 99 there's 299 price a little bit later because there might be One thing they might do I just feel like if it's 299 they have to radically change their current console lineup Because you have like yeah, or just stop making them. Yeah, I mean that and just only have the one if they do it that way Yeah, they're still gonna probably make them for at least I see what nick is saying though Like if there would be no reason to buy the old consoles at that point They'd be stepping on their own market share which that that would definitely so I could see why I could definitely see maybe like 350 I think 350 But I want to be right So i'm gonna keep saying 299 until nintendo announces it otherwise Unless they like publicly say, oh, hey all the switches are down Yeah, i'm sorry if they raise the price of the current switches then i'm i'm just out I give up If all that's 400 this holiday, i'm like well, okay, well this next system's like i haven't said anything Because we talked about this for two straight hours last time. Wasn't two to three hours. It was only 15 minutes at the end of the podcast Have I felt like it felt like All i'm gonna say is inflation Yep, there we go. Yeah, we went over this the current switch which should be three, three, five today Anyways, so what he's trying to say is your switch has gotten cheaper So stop asking for price cuts true Even though they're making a lot in nintendo pay you to say that They make a lot of money per unit anyways Yeah, anyways Because that also doesn't take into consideration some of the parts that have gotten cheaper inside the switch Because it hasn't all got more expensive anyways So getting rid of those rumors because they're kind of sort of just You could argue a little bit of safe bet. Hey, nintendo's been using our real engine They are doing a good job with it. They're probably going to use it on more games make sense The price point 399. Okay. Yeah, that's pretty much what everyone thinks. That's like the consensus What it will release at but this next stuff is really interesting because it comes From special nick over from xbox era who has some developer friends And he has heard some things about the switch to as well Two very interesting things One of them is something he's heard a while ago and it's just been reiterated to them And that is that there will be a digital only switch Not that it's the only one because obviously we want to hurt both the cartridge slot stuff But there will be a digital only switch Whether that's at launch he hasn't said that he doesn't know if it's at launch or if it's going to be a later like light version That they released later that will be digital only Uh, but it does open the door for the potential of having two systems about launch And the only time nintendo has really done that was the Wii U Where they had the two different size eight gigabyte and 32 gigabyte storage But I don't really think that that's why the Wii U failed I don't really know that anyone thinks that's why the Wii U failed because they have the two different versions And the two different versions has sort of been standardized thanks to xbox and playstation And steam deck all doing the same thing with multiple versions of consoles at launch So let's just stop there before we get to a second part and go What do you guys think about an all digital switch? to As an option it's gonna be pretty rough if you have a mostly physical library Well, you probably wouldn't buy it if you had a mostly physical library. I mean you'd buy it. Yeah I I mean it makes if it's if it was only like that was the only That would suck because I mean what am I gonna do with all those on the back? Yeah, I gotta thank you Tell me to buy them again Most TVs have two hdmi slots three four hdmi slots So if you have your nintendo switch and your nintendo switch two simultaneously hooked up You stick your cartridge in that one and you play that one Occupying that hdmi. So yeah, that would be would be nice, but not like and I'll be all I had nes s nes n64 Dreamcast Gamecube ps2 everything hooked up daisy chaining one by one by one to my old school tv. I'm like, it's fine Now a day they have a ps5 box series x and then have a switch and I switch between hdmi so To not have a backwards compatible. I'm not a deal breaker Well, my argument to that would be since the switch is the portable the new portable console It's like carrying a gameboy and a ds around to play both, you know, I mean when they did that on They did it with they made it backwards compatible on the ds with you know, you could play gameboy games on the ds So I would hope they would have at least an option. I mean if it's just an option I think the digital only is great. Like I most of my games are digital. I only get the important ones physical important ones to me But Yeah, that I I like the idea of a digital option Especially for people who if it if especially if it cuts price like if it cuts the $50 off of the thing Then yeah here for it more accessibility to the to the console I think it would also be a killer for parents who are buying their kids the new switch just so they don't Lose the cartridges and they're like, oh, well, you can't lose the game if it's on your switch. So I think It's not a bad idea as long as it's an option and not the only thing because I'm a huge physical collector I like buying Most if not all of my games physical and not being able to do that would be very Disappointing because I like having the case and the cartridge and it's like the whole thing for me personally. I love it What I could see them doing is they take the switch light or like they have so they have like the regular and the switch light and the switch light becomes the No cartridge model like it because like it's the only portable only No cartridges and then the regular switches. Okay. It has cartridges has a dock whatever the switch to that is So I could see that being the way forward. Go ahead. Let me ask you guys a question. Um Like going digital only what real benefit does that offer The system like it would it because a disk drive Is you know, that's that's significant, but a cartridge slot like how much cheaper does that really make the system? How much smaller does that make the system that feels kind of like a disc, right? It's yeah, it's very different More pins and My I don't actually think if there's an all digital version, it's going to be cheaper I think what nintendo is going to do because people will just assume it should be cheaper because it's cheaper for the other systems I think this is going to be the difference The one with the cartridge is only going to have an internal memory of 256 and all digital is going to have a 512 And they're just going to charge the same price for both Oh, I see now it'll be a little bit less profitable But it's obvious if you're buying all digital they make more money for game sold So it's not going to matter to them as much and and and i'm just over the like squinted they buy one video game I bet you it's instantly profitable. I've been squinted at everything We're like literally just one we would probably because think about it. They don't have to give up anything to the retailer They don't give anything the manufacturing cartridges or the literally nintendo when you buy a game They just pay the taxes and then they get all the rest of the money your profits Yeah, game stop is not Game stop would hate this Game stop might not exist by the end of this I understand what you're saying So that that would be the only caveat was I don't really think it actually would be cheaper I think we'll just try to entice you with a bigger internal memory because you would need a bigger because it's all digital just kind of some Like the difference of 256 gigabytes for life Well, it's Like you're buying because you have the option to get the one with the one memory if you like to go all digital I might say that I like this I would rather they both just have 512 to be completely honest 512 and the ability to add a one terabyte micro sd card That'd be great. That would be a pretty solid cell Please support the terabytes, but they just don't exist Yeah, yeah, you know what it's easier for me to What's easier for me to believe is that I like I like um Paul it seems like you kind of agree that if they did If if if there was if it was no like card or slot It wouldn't make that much the difference for the price for nintendo But um, I feel like if they did go do that they would make it cheaper to encourage fuel to buy it So they can make more money long term I could see that like if maybe it maybe there is a 300 dollar version or 350 dollar version and it's that That's digital only Because it is more profitable overall They'll make more money out people buying games on that system, you know, yeah But I think it would be it would be cheaper even if it even though it wouldn't actually be that much, you know In terms of the nintendo they cut their profits entirely and it's like even system. Yeah Um Maybe maybe it's really weird to me. It's all weird to me, but it is weird But it's also over. I keep reminding myself that furukawa said we're always up here And then we fall off. You know what maybe we're not going to fall off because we're going to make decisions That we usually don't make and that is we will have a system and launch that doesn't make us money Unless you buy a game Here's a real question would sell really well, I think So if they do an a digital only switch too Will it have like special colored joycons that also incentivize you to buy it? Like oh Especially at launch because then you have Both because you need to cut different color joycons or whatever like we're finally doing solid blue joycons on a console Oh, man, that would make me buy it It's here's another neat little consideration Um, if they did have a cheaper digital version That might make third parties happier because even if there is backwards compatibility, you have to pay I mean digital you may still get it, right? But like a e-shop stuff, but like all your physical stuff, you know Yeah, you know, you can't use it, right? So like it's almost kind of like you have to pay the 400 dollars to get the backwards compatibility Which a lot of people may not Which would then mean I hope that they have to revive stuff and that will make third parties It's a revised version later because the idea as a content creator that I'm going to be buying both At launch Before I even buy a game Just does not just makes me uncomfortable I don't have to but I will because I want to cross compare where there's other differences What are the screens are made by different companies? So there's slight differences there Well, what if like one's like one millimeter smaller for some unvalid reason because oh, we root the cartridge side So we got to make it one millimeter smaller. What do you mean you got to make a one millimeter smaller? Now I got to open these things up and see what's different. Oh, it's gonna be It's gonna be a lot This sounds like something that would come like a year or two into the next system Like I remember the ds first came out and you could play like game boy advanced games on it And then they continued Continue to make like different models that got rid of that so kind of yeah, I think it'd be cheaper Just be like another Another skew that people could go in and save like 50 bucks on Yeah, I mean this was just like one of those things that if they did do it at launch It's they only feel like they can because everyone else did It's one of those. Hey, we actually paid attention where everyone else did and they did it and the backlash wasn't bad So let's do it ourselves Now nintendo has noted that and you can look in their financials. It's around 50 50 split On the game sales. It's about 50 digital 50 physical Obviously some games, you know fluctuate which ones are doing that but Uh, it is interesting because I thought about it myself a majority of my games are actually digital Um, and the ones that I have physical copies of I also own digitally So like that collector's edition of tears of the kingdom is still in the box I have it digitally. I don't I don't need to open the physical copy, but I do have it Because you know, I don't trust e-shops I don't trust Game of all time All my favorite games physically. Yeah, I will say though Do I really need to worry about a switch is so easy to emulate and it's all over the internet So honestly if they knew good, I could just illegally play at that point. I wouldn't even feel guilty about it I won't even feel guilty about it. They took away my access Here's a neat little idea If nintendo um does have Like a digital only version um Like you kind of lost my train of thought damn it. I had something I had something. Oh, I did. I thought it was pretty good, but I agree. I'll come back to you later. Thank you So for true, Andre. Yeah so Nick from xbox era had one more thing Uh, and I believe this all actually comes from the the same source. I believe that he has And he knows something that he's unwilling to really reveal because if he does according to his source Nintendo will just know where it came from because it's apparently a feature Or something for this next system That is sony like it's a it's something that sony has done Or has at least talked about doing in the past some xbox is never done something nintendo's never done but sony has And he's very curious how people are going to react to this thing when it's unveiled now. I kept thinking well why I mean Why would this you know reveal his source or whatever and I'm like, oh, maybe this just isn't part of the bog standard Dev kits that are out right now So it's a specific feature that only maybe an internal nintendo company would know right now Which we'll find out later because he's also the source on metro prime 4 rumors So you could sort of infer where he might be giving his information from so What do you guys think this possibly could be things sony has done that no one else Of the three console makers have done before It's an intending camera. It's gonna put the little eye camera on you pop the bubbles You have to pay ten dollars per title to play that old game due to licensing fees and such on the new system Yikes Ten dollars per game. That's a feature guys, but you will ship So When when he says like when like sony like and it's like the the three major consoles The the first thing I went to was like vr Because sony is the only one who's done vr, but I don't know I don't know if you'd include like The oculus or the mediquist in with those but there are those also aren't like they're not made by my big consoles so like You think about that nintendo has a lot of patents out there that involve vr. That's never happened They've also done lab o vr. So it's an obviously can't be a virtual boy. So nintendo is that they're not allergic to vr But would they would this be If it was vr would be forced in the box like connect was because that I don't know about that Well, if if if the clue is I don't know how literal with the clue we're getting but if the clue is that they haven't tried it before nintendo has technically tried vr out before So, okay. Yeah, you could argue if you want to get super technical But if if you're saying like vr like we know it today definitely Yeah So now I hope it's not like I feel like nintendo doesn't need a gimmick this time like just give us good titles nintendo Because remember it was this ps vita remember they had a touchpad on the back Oh, is it gonna have like a I don't know what it would be for Like a pro maybe a controller. Yeah, like wait, they'll have like a like a little little pad in the middle I'd be fine with that. Well, sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's one thing I didn't even think about as a place to utilize that touchpad in the middle Yeah, maybe they do that. Cool. Then you can have backwards compatibility with uh ds games Oh, here we go. Oh And then they just pack a stylus in and you're really ready to go now. Yeah Then I got my stylus back out. Maybe I can't wait to lose all of them If it's a controller, do they bundle that in with the console or do they make you buy it separately? I think it's a pro controller like I think well They would have to include it if it's if it's gonna be a base feature. Yeah It's gonna be making games around it. I would I would assume they would I'm trying to think of things that only Sony has done between the three systems The only other thing that maybe comes to mind because I'm on this vita track of mine. None of that brought it up Uh, remember when they did the playstation tv and it was just the vita, but a little box you could plug into your tv Hey, what if they just start going into the streaming service? That would be one way to get to a super cheap switch That's for sure. No screen. You know I just don't see them do what it but I'm just saying throwing that out there. It's like a Possibility Yeah, I look I Sony's done a lot of things that haven't stuck around and they've also done just a lot of things that have and I'm not really sure You know What to go into it also doesn't help that I've talked to him since then and I know more now and I'm not allowed to Say anything So I'm trying To just Guide you guys to talk and no one's talking. So I don't know what to do So, wait, wait, wait. So you like do you know what it is? Oh, so he knows He knows look at that little giggle on his face. He knows I will tell you right now. I do not have 100 confirmation. I just have a very good idea Is it a gimmick? Yes or no? I only I can't go further Damn it I do remember what I wanted to say earlier. There it is So but the thought I had was That if you think about how the nintendo wants to encourage us to go digital long term That actually encourages them To make sure everything's backwards compatible. So all those e-shop purchases we made everything all the investments we've made You know if they go ahead and we and they move on to the next generation We don't have that that doesn't instill confidence in their consumers that On all digital futures a good idea So just send in also for thought there Well, technically xbox did this one thing They're not doing it anymore Which could speak to the mindset that this is a sony-like idea and not an xbox one Xbox this month retired games with gold They are they they went ahead and turned everything to xbox core And they're basically saying you want free games or whatever corner go free games for your subscription go get game pass Which is a better deal anyways, but The games of gold if you download it in that month you own it even after that month So we actually talked about this before the show earlier And what you're saying is actually somewhat tied to my random tangent from what I forgot about It's just about games that tend to has available on their e-shop, right? Yeah, your tangent your little mini tangent here is what maybe remember. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so So what's interesting, right? I was I was trying to like think like okay What would be something that would be potentially really cool, but all of a sudden it could potentially piss people off Twilight princess and midwaker hd We're getting them But we're only getting them as digital games that are on a cycle You only get them if you have expansion pack plus and they're only available for like february And if you don't download them, you're gotta wait until they might decide to bring it back at like four years Yeah, but the neat thing about it is is that So members you get a lot of free nintendo games, but It also means some of those nintendo games. That's the only way you can get them Maybe that's how they also repurpose 3d all-stars It would piss people off Full sony evil corporation ps3 era the branding is there just call it nintendo selects Listen if the games aren't on the e-shop, they haven't brought it back for the switch area They are not against the 3ds or Yeah, the 3ds and the we 3ds and we yeah, if you download them you have them So you just have to make sure to download them I'm not against the playstation plus slash games of gold model in in like in a general sense Especially the way sony does it where like two three years later They'll just give you one of their first party games that they released two three years ago Just give it to you It's just on there because the idea for them is to encourage more playstation plus subscribers And if that's certain, you know if nso is starting to become a major Revenue for nintendo, which it looks like it's starting to get there now that people are re-upping their subs every year It's like, okay. Well, what's the next step to push more people there? People aren't really happy with those free games you've been giving because you're taking them away mario 35 Just rip it out. You know, oh, we got dlc. Are we gonna get all of it? No, you just stopped adding dlc to it So what's the next value add? You get For games every month drop zeno blade 3 right before the next zeno blade game I feel like nintendo values their games way too much to give them Yeah, by the time sony by the way that's left out of this is by the time sony does that they're selling the game for five dollars yeah Kind of luck out of that conversation. That's a great a great point that nintendo gets up to high value But I mean you do wonder that what if they make it where? This particular tier You have to sign up for a year So the idea they're trying to do is well, yeah, they might make more money selling individually They'll actually get a boost in subscriptions each month one of those major games hits And even though it's only there for a month The money made overall from that subscription that might keep it on automatic renewal It's going to renew for another they might actually make more money overall Depending again, it's a scummy business practice, but every every company with subscription services does stuff like I could see them doing Hey getting into no plus expansion. I couldn't see them say hey get the year's worth of it That would be that's such a steep ass because a year worth of a year of Nintendo plus I think is it's 80 or 90 dollars or something like that I guess that's a steep ask for people. I mean, that's 20. That's 10 more dollars in the tiers of the kingdom So well, they are like well look at the value you get three games this month and three games every month Yeah, I'm taking the fact you might own most. Yeah Maybe they include like a voucher if you sign up for a year you get a free game voucher or something Is this like yeah, they do be pushing the vouchers Are we assuming this nintendo plus is part of the current expansion pack or a separate thing? Because if it's part of the current expansion pack, I think that's worth it Yeah, especially they don't raise the price because you're getting all that dlc You're getting the ability to play online which Shouldn't shouldn't be behind a paywall, but it's there And you're getting all of the gaming consoles Play pc at three. It's interesting that Nate knows something and we're still on this nintendo switch online. So We're getting warm boys Does themes count as a playstation thing? I don't know if playstation does themes at all I know Xbox does xbox has like colors you can choose Although I think I think in the new update they're adding themes on xbox or doing a new home update soon I just had the notification of my xbox about it. So apparently I think they're adding themes But nintendo's had themes before like it would just be bringing 3ds. Great. Oh my gosh. I love the theme of 3ds Oh, you figured it out on this one. Yep figured it out. It's really simple The feature is a good name. Just like they're just going to call it stuff too. That's it That's it Like nobody's actually going to be called switched to but it's sort of like but it's the car. What if it was it should be Like can we talk about this for a moment like what look if it's if the dev kits are true and and the reports Are heard are true that it's another portable hybrid device like the switch Why would you change the brand of it away from the switch name? And if you're going to keep the switch name because it is Literally a sequel that does the docking on the go thing Then why would you just put a number? Why use any other term that could confuse the user base when every electronic company in the world uses a number besides xbox And I don't want to hear about xbox because xbox one x and xbox series x are two entirely different generations of systems So they're not very good with their branding Yeah If anybody has really dominating conventions, it's xbox because I couldn't tell you which one is which they all Yeah, the xbox didn't get the 360 cheaper That doesn't have a disc slot and then one of them is more expensive and does have a disc slot looks like a mini fridge Yep, and then they got the they got the series s but now they have to ask the black edition Which also has an extra 500 gigs of memory and like what what are we? I don't understand the branding see at least for playstation is easy playstation 5 This is just the ps5. Then we have a ps5 all digital version. Okay. It's digital only Simple pretty straightforward. Why can't we have simple branding? Even the psp was cool. It's like. Oh, what's this playstation portable? It's a portable PlayStation, right? Vito brand I didn't understand the Vito. They also they also can that they also can that and they didn't go well for him Yeah, yeah, so Simple branding can Nintendo do simple branding are the even do we Do we think that the the new nintendo 3ds was a good branding name or a bad branding? Terrible Especially when you have a video game series with new in the title good concept. Yeah bad naming Yeah, I could but as much as I hate say it I could see them doing saying the New nintendo switch or the nintendo switch pro or like the nintendo switch plus or something like that I'm looking at the we and we you and i'm so scared to name it True that's true. Like I am I would be shocked if nintendo Well, it depends on how much of a departure they want this to be from because this seems like they want it to be more Because like the we you you could argue was like a huge departure from like what the we was at its core And that's why the branding was so confusing is because It the branding made it come off as oh, this is just we with a little bit more or it's a controller for the we But simple branding But something like that, you know, I don't know you need to you have to try that line of it still needs to Jive with the switch, but still needs to be something that stands out and lets people know Oh, this is something different I need to get this one because it's better or newer or whatever But it still does all the stuff the switch did the two does the number does it the number already tells you Yeah, but that's not the the nintendo way You know it should be because maybe nintendo would have more consistent sales. I'm just saying they've been really bad about consistent sales We're due for a flop. We're due for a flop One thing I will say though Is he got the new one I kept thinking yeah, the 3ds did all right sold 75 million But I sat there. I'm like yeah, but at one point one of their systems was called the new nintendo 3ds xl four words That's a lot of one system Like that's just a lot and there aren't words that necessarily on their own mean much besides xl Because you're also still using the ds brand with a three in front of it that Without watching commercials that tell you there's 3d. What the hell is a it's already a weird branding the 3ds to ds Is that it is a ds too? What is this thing? But then they had the 2ds come out after the 3d yo, yeah, you just throw away and they had new nintendo 2ds xl Yeah Light edition nintendo switch 2. Oh, it's right there. You can just keep that branding forever Let me throw this idea out at you guys. So what if the name for the next nintendo console is just nintendo No, that's it. No, that's don't jumpy down You're gonna make people circle PlayStation 5 nintendo's again having nintendo in the title It's not too crazy of an idea, but I don't think so, but I know I'll entertain it nintendo back in the day They had a lot of pride in the name and they were the hottest thing on the market Which is why it was called nintendo entertainment system So the natural thing was to call it super nintendo entertainment system They just say that it was the next best thing Super and mega were very popular words back in the day as you saw with Mighty morphin power rangers mighty supers ultras nintendo 64 that next evolution nintendo gq same thing We was not called nintendo. We they actually Saw themselves losing going 60 to 40 to 30 to 20 million in sales. So it's like, you know our nintendo name brand doesn't Sell as much isn't as much of a draw anymore on itself Call it we and with we came a very nice marketing campaign with the two remotes looking at people bending over bowing to one another Like we remotes the two eyes have meant, you know Yes in french, but we as an us inclusive playing in english for you know majority gamer language perhaps But with we you trying to go off of that established success from we But too difficult of a naming in you even how they showed it off for the first time was I was at that e3 at that conference They showed the gamepad first later on showed the console Which was a very similar looking console And you know it pained me to be the nintendo guy that i am to have family members saying You know, what do you think about the we you like so you could play the thing on the on the screen? Oh, gosh, people didn't even know that it was a new console But then now the nintendo is back to nintendo switch brand name recognition. It's popular. It's powerful They're using red again and go with Something too clever the time has come and gone to make this thing the nintendo switch plus If it was an interim console Then it would have made sense nintendo switched nintendo switch light the nintendo switch plus Yeah, that was a little pro system or something. Yeah, yeah Two is the safest way to go and it might be boring But you're not going to confuse the audience The price is going to be different The name is very different and then I think that's enough change of the box Is it different too? Yeah Coming up with too clever of a name even though I personally think super nintendo switch. That's cool I was going to say somebody suggested that one of the last podcast is putting super New nintendo switch you No Pro new xl and you put all the monikers that nintendo's ever used nintendo switch Too because it's it also Oh my god, don't try to get too intelligent. No The number two I'm not saying this because I have really good search results for nintendo switch too So it would be convenient for me. I'm saying this because I actually think it's just the best way to go There's a reason the market uses numbers general consumer even hardcore consumers Understand Bigger number equals newer bigger better thing Yeah, and Because of smartphones now the advent of smartphones More people are a lot more aware that. Oh, okay number. Okay. There we go, right? And let me just kind of like Well, people will know it's better than the iphone 26 they'll know um But uh, what was I going to say? But like what is the purpose of a name like like what what is the purpose of a name like Sell products for them as their whole purpose or and their recognition So if what's the what how what do they do to have the best brand recognition? I mean some of that does depend on what they're doing with the system But yeah, but if it's another switch that that that you dock and pay it Okay, you keep the switch brand you put a two you don't change it if the next system After that's another switch cool that switch three, but like you don't really change that brand I think until you come up with a completely different product that doesn't switch Or at least it's an evolution to an extent where There's something else about it that they really feel like they yeah, maybe maybe now They go full wireless and now it doesn't have a dock and you can just flick it And it's up on your tv or something some future technology and we're like Oh, they want to call that something else. They want to call it the flick. I don't know I'm not saying that's a good name. But then again, who what okay, what one of us guys Before they unveiled this thing would have thought they'd ever use the word switch. That's true for a name We think of switches like oh light switches and like we're not thinking of systems And they made it synonymous with the video game platform Why because you could dock and take it with you and there's other devices You could dock and take with it. No one ever thought to use the term switch It also I also got used to it very quick though. It wasn't like oh Well, they were also very clever because they did the same thing they did with we They gave they gave us something to recognize that It's dumb it's stupid, but it's clever, but it works. It just worked And it works even better because it's all about clicking it in It's not even about switching from it's just a click in your controller in Because when you see the logo the logo It's so good. It's just very good randy. Don't go away from that Expand the smack a big two right behind it. That's what I'm saying It's like I feel like the next console is just going to be a better iteration of it So like two would make sense. Maybe I mean pro would be kind of lame, but it would also I don't think it would accomplish the job super would accomplish the job I don't know pro accomplishes the job because other brands have ran that into the it's the same It wouldn't suggest next chance. I could see plus I could definitely especially because plus is on the console like a plus sign So I get so calling it like that's like mine is something like that I want to say something if you go back like four and a half years ago when we had the initial switch pro rumors, right? We were about to get the switch light I put out a video saying listen the fourth switch light was even announced It was like listen what nintendo is going to do the nintendo is going to call their portable system to switch light And they're going to call their improved system to switch plus I said that four and a half years ago switch light. I was spot on switch pro switch plus never happened, but you know I would love to hear the plus it did According to insiders that pro system did exist digital foundry being one of the ones saying hey No, they had this damn thing and they got recalled because they decided to scrap it or because of coven They just delayed things and they couldn't get the manufacturing up. Okay. Maybe it would have been called switch plus And what would be interesting to find out Is if we have a switch to if we do get a mid-gen refresh a switch to and they use the plus moniker when the Yeah, they were planning to do that for the Alas system would that be switch to plus or just switch plus here we go Well Lumping more words on no no no no because it's a symbol you're lumping a symbol It just be switched to and then there just be the the plus. I don't know how they would make the logo Look that's up to them to figure out. I think the bigger question is where do they put the two? If we look at the current switch logo, do they put it after the switch? You haven't seen all the fan designs It doesn't look that bad I haven't seen any of Just type nintendo switch to and go to google images. You'll see a bunch of fan mock-ups of like different logos and stuff Here's a neat idea And it looks like a wee oh no, oh no Backing back to the wee. I don't know that that's a smart not a bad idea Let me go switch to logos here. Oh, they're gonna. They're gonna. What if it's switch x? You know, no then they can finally port xeno blade x I I figured out my favorite logo that i've seen in the fan design Have you guys seen the one that has the two next to the joy con? No Oh, wait, wait, wait. I think I just found it. I think that one Looks good. Is it like the left joy con and then the two is in the spot where the right one would be Yeah, or the other way around either way I think I think it looks okay. It's not great. I mean by the way These are all fan mock-ups. The Nintendo will cover some other clever way to do it, but I don't know. I it's just Again, it doesn't need to be complicated. How what's the playstation logo the word playstation and then a number Well, we don't got to make this complicated Like maybe they switch and just go ns2 Like literally make the word switch a little smaller and put a two there I don't know Where it's like a weird cube It's like ns and then two or at the top or something or like vice versa You know i'm saying like or maybe what they do is it's nintendo switch, but then on the box It's a giant two that goes over the whole front of it and the switch logo is just in the middle of the two I see andre squinting hard and i don't like any of these ideas. Let's talk about metroid prime 4 I think i'm just really tired, but I was also thinking that man. I shouldn't have started this topic I should have just kept my mouth shut up That's a good topic Then we got 200 plus people enjoying this topic. They clearly are having a good time I don't you know that fan design that came out like two weeks ago or so that like is obviously fake That was billed as like. Oh, this is the real one I don't hate that where they put the little circle and put the two kind of like an exponent Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't have the joy cons that like click. Yeah like this slide around Yeah Yeah, I think that looks good. It's simple the logo they made for it. Yeah, yeah, it reminds you of the switch brand Yeah, but it also has that little distinguishing thing and of course, I'd assume the console will look different enough Yeah, I assume the controllers will be redesigned a bit more ergonomic. So literally it'll change literally the form factor of what the Outline would be like if you just cut it out the outline would look a little different Um, and obviously I think one big thing, you know, you look at all of the switch stuff You always see bezels on all switch images bezel bezel bezel. What are the things basically in your bezels? That'll also make it look different as well Well, just a picture of perspective being like, oh, why is there no bezels on this? Is this a fan mock-up? No, no, no, no, no. Look at the look Nintendo switch to so It'll be interesting, but it's up. We don't know what Nintendo design principles are going to be We don't really know much about the system other than some of the stuff that's been reported from supposed dev kits Which of course the caveat is dev kits are never a final hardware. So I just want Themes and the UI to look better True That's how I like the look of the UI. Dude, they need to differentiate these. Just adjust enough. It needs to feel familiar But fresh. I really like the whole Give me 3ds stuff again. I like the gradient design that I see in a lot of the A lot of those mock ups or like how it changes the background based on what game you're hovering Either one of those the UI just needs to feel familiar enough But also just have additional functionality and some freshness to it. Like maybe even There's this little things like right now. There's square icons around the corners on the new system You know, like just do something that makes you realize you're playing a different system I know we're in the air that it's kind of boring, right? You go from like the old xbox and the new xbox. They're the exact same home screens But playstation doesn't do that. They refresh that every single time and I just feel like It should be familiar but also feel Feel new and I there's a lot of ways I can go about it The biggest thing to me isn't even like the main home screen and the additional functionality Like why can't we put folders on the home screen? Please let us do that on switch to It's the eShop. They better redesign that entire thing. It runs so slow I hate going to the eShop. So the eShop runs in a web browser. It's not even its own application Wait, I think that's why wait wait wait You're telling me that the eShop is a web browser But we don't have an actual web browsing Go log into facebook and say I forgot my password You'll get you'll get to the web browser And that's the browser the eShop uses and I believe that's probably why the eShop's so leggy And the theory right now no one knows 100% for sure But you can go you can log into the eShop on nintendo's website buy a game or download on your switch The theory is they made it a web browser because it seamlessly connects to their their website store And I thought about that and I said yeah, but other places have that and have an actual application That runs smoother. So it's like get off the web browser if that's the problem I think they need to get off Is the new section runs fine and there's a bunch of stuff happening in the new section all the night Is the switch online also a web browser? Like the little switch online thing? Probably I have to go check with oatmeal dome quick That needs to run better also Really really weird side tangent. I I really wish I was able to change My profile picture with the nintendo like online icons without having to open the online app Because when I change it, I can't preview what it looks like on anything without going out And if I don't like it then I have to wait for it to load and get all the way back there It is so much easier if I could do it with the rest of our some things about switch at this point in its life That are starting to feel super sluggish like 3ds did trying to load me verse or like anything on 3ds late stage was So slow and switch is starting to feel that way So am I am I crazy or was there I thought there was like a web browser like one of these little no There was never a bottle never been that Maybe i'm thinking of the The the 3ds. I think that's the 3ds. How to web browser. Yeah Oh, what are we? What are you doing on the web? What are you doing on your console? I'm the real yes. Come on now. I could google i'm 3ds I could watch an empty 2ds. I did have a web browser. I could watch maybe It's not about why you're doing it. It's just having the option Yo, don't chat Maybe I can pull up give me plus repass. Maybe that's it. We're bringing back street pass. That's the gimmick Not related to playstation I'd be so excited. You know what maybe to combine it You street pass with enough you get a free game like playstation plus if you're an msl subscriber Just playstation do something different with like friends. Make sure you go to mcdonald I was gonna say they're gonna make you walk to to meet friends and I realized no because i'll street pass Or you can go to mcdonald's and anyone who went to drive through you just get to the street pass Maybe the future is 70 dollar games That's not a feature The same way the name's gonna be too that's also gonna be a feature Man, I still I will say wasn't it sony that that are they were the first company to push the 70 dollar with next gen I swear they were the ones who announced 70 dollar games. Yeah This is me giving a hint No, i'm trying to ignore i'm like refusing to open open my dms right now I want it to be no i've already write it once i decide not to read sense Because then they could actually utilize the little light on the home button that gets used like I don't know once and then never used again Oh, yeah, why actually turn green? Okay, it only turns on when I plug it up to my pc and i'm like why why not while i'm playing the The home one the video game is what it is So our next topic we get to talk about a game It's pretty exciting a game that's been announced since 2017. Am I gonna stand up for this one? Oh, no I'm standing standing desk Yeah, does your camera raise with your desk? No, no, okay. I didn't know oh it does I gotta give it a minute if you had it attached to the desk or not Okay, because mine's not a separate tripod. I have a sit at the sand desk where I do the same thing, but I That's a good idea though. I should get it attached to this desk Anyway, so This also comes from the same source that was telling us about the sony like stuff and all of that he Literally said on his podcast. He has a buddy That's all he's calling him just a buddy who has seen metroid prime 4 being played All right, so that's the caveat on what we're here is was he drunk when he said this no tomorrow No, two things One is not as exciting but also Expected and good to have confirmation It's a visually stunning game And you say and they're saying like even not not just for a switch game It's just visually stunning which if you play metroid primary master That game would probably hold up well on competing systems. So Not too far-fetched to maybe believe that this is a visual stunner But then we get to the big boy the big boy rumor The game is supposedly extremely open It was described as being relatable to the campaign in halo infinite now halo infinite open world And he was careful to say Not saying this is open world, but you know how there's some open areas in metroid prime the areas are so large That it looked like walking out into that massive world that halo infinite has What's interesting about it is that he doesn't say it's open world. He wants to be careful to call His buddy wasn't sure he doesn't say it's not open world. It doesn't actually know He just yeah, they don't know he wants to be careful to be like i'm not saying run headlines open world But yes, so it could be the point is is that the environments are very open, right? And what I actually talked about this last night because some people told me about it and I got excited Well, I got excited but I was like, you know, I'm going to take my time on the video So the video won't come out till tomorrow. There's gonna be more details on it there tomorrow. Uh, but but like So We don't know if it's gonna be open or not and I think that doesn't even really matter that much I mean, maybe it will But you think about What metroid is, uh, it's you know, it's a metroidvania. It's a 3d metroidvania, right? And if they never played metroid, maybe you've played like the the souls games, right like dark souls Like that is a 3d metroidvania So but imagine, I mean even dark souls has some large environments So maybe If you know, maybe what we could be talking about some very large environments That do intertwine it may be another good example of like large environments where it almost looks like it's open world That's interconnected is a zumbi chronicles 3 But maybe imagine that these opening paths are a little bit more Kind of intertwined. Um, and so we're just talking about massive massive areas, which is exciting. Um, But it's not just about the size, right? It's like why there's there's gonna be a gameplay reason for it They're not going to just do that just to do that So is samus gonna have some incredible movement options? You think about it like she's had the speed booster in prior games Um, but she's also had a relationship with different alien life before what if there are alien mounts? Or what if she's using her gunship, right? Like there's There's a lot of movement options. Um, obviously we have the morth ball too. Um So it's just very curious, right? And maybe it's just more about exploring large alien environments, um, which I mean that That's epic and actually if you listen to the podcast he was actually Because his friend was talk had had a inside scoop on on starfield So he wanted like the contrast to that so like Xbox's Metroid is starfield, right? It's like the big open space game Well, apparently Metroid Prime is Nintendo's big open space game And make all the comparisons to halo That's also kind of interesting because once upon a time Was Metroid compared to all the time? halo Even though maybe it shouldn't have been but from an aesthetic perspective Yeah, they're both space games. You're shooting some aliens. Someone's in a spacesuit. Yeah Metroid Prime would call that an open simplification, but yes Yeah No, I agree with the like The idea of it. I I also initially thought like if this game is not kind of like solzi-esque in terms of It's like world design I it might end up being kind of disappointing because when I first heard here open world I'm like, oh that sounds that doesn't sound good That sounds like they're trying to breath the wild it But because it's like that's not what a Metroid game is at heart a Metroid game is like you going through meticulously designed areas bit by bit and Waking your way through it I Game that I feel like that is a Metroidvania that people don't I haven't heard call Metroidvania is uh dead space I feel like dead space is a 3d Metroidvania at least because it's like you go room by room and figure out the puzzle and do the thing I don't know uh, so but it's exciting if if it's going to be a large environment But still have that like souls feel of okay You're you're working through and solving the puzzle and there's like hidden little gems in the corner That would be sick. That would be really really sick to see. Um So yeah, I don't know. I was just I was like, yep. Andre same wavelength. Yeah, we were there. We're there We got I got you. I haven't played elden ring Yeah, I know I need to I know but time. Yeah, it's been a major problem for me Um, okay, but elden ring is open world dark souls Right like that's basically that's the idea behind it Right like can you describe to me that the gameplay differences that occurred there? Like is it so the ring still kind of like a Metroidvania but within an open format The difference between elden ring and say a tradition a traditional souls game would be In a traditional souls game when you hit a roadblock You just got to do it like you just got to figure it out And you got to just slam your head against it until you get through it Whereas elden ring there was so many avenues that if you encountered a roadblock you could just leave Go do a different thing and then come back later Um, they still had some some of the same design philosophy and it's like like when you encounter Certain like dungeons air quotes like when you go you know into like the tower and when you go through the castle Like that still was like very souls like you had to get through that thing first in that dungeon that is very dark souls ask in design Before you move on in the next area It just had giant open world areas as well that you could find dungeons in and also encounter random enemies. So You know Some people didn't some people who are hardcore souls fans didn't like it. They were like I want more of the linear You know room to room thing not not this giant. Oh, what do I do next, you know? But anyways, that's that's that's kind of the difference between the two is one has more Basically options like one is just there's a lot more options while the other is like If you can't get bastard suck it up and get through it Who have a glider to yeah And that's interesting right like I think when we when we say open world most people think okay That means it's a really large place to explore But open world oftentimes more means Gameplay structure like the order in which you can do things which is Whatever order you want versus other games where it can be a little bit more linear But they can still vary it can I guess what you call maybe like a sandbox where you have a lot of options to do within an environment And so it's it could be a little confusing um But that that may be the difference because I I I I don't think Metroid metroidvania by definition can't be open world Yeah, I get agreed I mean it could be it could take the elven ring approach where it's like there are Many options and many dungeons that you can encounter at the same time, but overall they're just a uh like overall they're still that You know room by room element when you can get to said dungeon or when you get to said area um And you can encounter other smaller areas that are like that anyways, I had one thought on this if Let's say they somehow did go open world I kept thinking about why would they do that because it doesn't really work in the metroidvania genre But I kept but but Nintendo's always wanted metroid to be a bigger seller than it really is and I kept thinking Maybe they don't really care if they're breaking out of the genre They care that they're going to turn metroid prime and metroid into A 10 million plus seller a 20 million potential seller Like try to make it more of a commercial success by making it more appealing and not withholding themselves to the restraints of metroidvania games Because if you look at the history of metroidvania games, they don't sell incredibly well. They do good They're fine. You can see five million sellers out there But they you're not hearing about a metroidvania game coming out and doing 10 15 20 million in sales And they might go Hey, if we're going to put a triple a budget behind this every single time, maybe it's time that we Sort of breath of the wilder where we think let's break the conventions Of what we feel might be holding back sales And I don't know how they can do that while still making it feel metroid enough But that's also their job to figure out and they did it with zelda in a way like in some ways Because there's a lot of traditional zelda fans that will tell you breath of the wild and cheers the kingdom Don't feel like zelda games And those fans will die on that hill because if you play all the old zelda games And then you play breath of the wild and cheers the kingdom. It is like a stark 180 difference in how those games play so Maybe they could look at that and they go, you know what even if some metroid fans love it In other ones that are super hardcore like no, that's not what we want. You know what we still have metroid drive We still have 2d metroid's coming we're take we're finding a way to take our 3d versions And get them to a level of sales and notoriety that hasn't been seen before even among metroid games I mean when you compare it to halo infinite, right like halo infinite is That's like the most triple a triple a game. Yeah And it's microsoft's number one ip right until they bought all these studios And so wait, there's there's so there's so many reasons to be excited about this because like I've talked about this for years Right, and you know, it's kind of like believe until you actually some people won't believe until you actually see it Right, but like I've always argued That when nintendo put out that dedicated video announcing the restart That that showed their intent behind the game Which is basically something that's comparable to a legend to zelda development Because the only times nintendo ever puts out a dedicated video to announce a delay It's for the mainline legend of zelo series or for metroid prime 4 So I I'd like to think as a hardcore metroid fan that they do have aspirations to push metroid I mean, obviously 30 million seems like a top like a you know, that seems kind of insane, right? But something i've also argued we go back before the switch era Zelda going past 10 million was an insane thing to consider I wouldn't say insane Improbable because we've gotten close we've gotten So like the idea that they could have a 10 million seller or something I think a lot of zelda fans like yeah, I could but getting to 15 getting to 20 getting to 30 Right, I hadn't been done before is like, yeah, maybe yeah, that's maybe better And that would be such a massive increase in sales incredible the series has ever done You just wouldn't even imagine it's possible We'd be like, okay, we can maybe get past while the prince doesn't get to 10 But we're not going higher. Yeah, so Maybe maybe the nintendo does have that level of ambition for prime 4, which would be amazing We don't really know, right? But the bit as you said earlier the big it's if they want to do it great But can they do it? How do they do it? And what's interesting for those who have been playing pikmin 4 and you read the developer interviews They were wondering, okay, we love making pikmin games, but we don't know how to make this sell So they were kind of trying to assess what is it about pikmin that doesn't allow it to sell And so far from pikmin 4 we've seen it looks like it's doing really good numbers Um, yeah, it's probably the best selling pikmin of all time when they like I think in japan It was showing signs to be like performing like maybe like three or four times better than prior pikmin games But that's a small sample size But it looks like it might cross a mill as a shot to cross a mill in just japan, which is insane Right. So, you know, if pikmin 4 gets to that's like 5 million plus copies like that's incredible, you know, um So anyway, like but but the how they sort of looked at pikmin is They realize okay, pikmin is actually a challenging game, but it has this aesthetic. That's very kind of cutesy so rather than Um, like those things don't necessarily combine well in terms of sales So what do you do? Now they don't want to take away from what pikmin is But they they've just thought of ways to try and make it more pikmin But in a way that's more digestible. So they incorporated ochi Ochi is something that a lot of people love right? It's a cute dog that does great for sales, right? But it also streamlines the pikmin experience. It makes it more fun and engaging They change around the camera perspective. They made it more adventure like but still having that dandori Style which is like the art of like, you know, managing your time and resources Efficiently, which is how you play pikmin. So they looked at pikmin from that kind of perspective to try And rework it while still maintaining that pikmin quality so they can appeal to a larger audience So maybe they're gonna do that with metroid And maybe that doesn't this doesn't have to mean that it's gonna piss off metroid fans We don't know what that would what that will do. But I mean, it's gonna be interesting to see what direction they're actually gonna take crime for I have an honest question for everyone because I I like I'm a metroid fan But I haven't been following all the leaks and stuff Or info. Um, is there a world where this doesn't come to switch and they just hold it? Or can they not do that now? No, I 100% think it actually it's the launch title for the next thing Actually, that's my that's my gamble. That's 100% Because if it is this like visually stunning game and all this I kind of don't want it to release on the switch Like Here's the way I look at it There is a report from andy robinson that he said it's like the swan song game Or let's not call it report rumor rumor. Sorry. He doesn't have enough sources to report it But it's more than but he's heard that it's the swan song game Which would indicate that it is the final major release for switch But here's the thing like we talked about. Oh, I don't want it to just be as if but if it's backwards compatible Then it's on switch two anyways, and then if they just have dlss work with it suddenly it's in 4k And it looks even better on switch. Yeah, I guess if if they do the whole breath of wild thing with it where they it's a launch title for the Switch to but is also on switch. It's not gonna be a launch title for switch to not a lot They're already a 3d mario at launch. They're not gonna have metron prime 4 and 3d mario same time I mean, uh, you don't gobble sail, you know, you do not put This is this would be like if This would be like if nintendo had spider-man 2 and it was a nintendo game not playstation They decided to drop mario and spider-man 2 on the same day. You're just not doing that It's just that It's realistic They there's a really good attempt to triple a games on the exact same day So you say they would be a metron prime 4 launch and there would be no 3d mario Yeah I will say this If nintendo launches switch to a metron prime 4 That would be one of the boldest big ball decisions I've ever seen a company make take one of your franchises That's barely their best-selling game is barely crack three million and we're launching our next gen system with it That would be big ball move But if they add multiplayer like if they make Like at least nintendo does launch the system before like a halo multiplayer. Dude, that'd be Oh my god, i'm magic I I'm glad you guys brought that up. I actually touched on it. Um yesterday on our podcast too. Um Because a lot of metroid fans hate the idea of their big multiplayer, right? Of course, it it the suggestion is it takes away from the single players There's a lot of like um first person adventure games I'm like for example, wolfenstein 2 there is controversy because They took away multiplayer from wolfenstein 1 and they just focused on a single player Um, my perspective is If you if you have the budget for it and you if you can do both Then do both as long as the as long as the campaign is untouched, right? As long as the campaign is what we would have gotten like that sort of game of the year masterpiece adventure Then i'm all for that. I mean the the other thing is that metroid games aren't even supposed to be long games, you know, like All the prime games you can beat sometimes somewhere between 10 to 20 hours, right? And maybe prime 4 is a little bit longer, but even if it's a 30 to 40 hour game That's not like that long. That's something that you could probably replay and maybe, you know, you know It's metroid games. There's sequence breaking. It's it's meant to be replayed and you try and get like better times and stuff completion But if there's also a multiplayer that you can unlock things as you progress like that would be really cool And I actually even throw out the idea like what if it is kind of like a call of duty Where like call of duty is basically three games in one, right? Like you have the campaign you have the multiplayer and you have zombies What if what if you do something like that for maybe expecting three modes might be any kind of insane But they did have federation force once upon a time, which is an online club kind of game where like imagine like You do bounties or like you play on a team and you're you're hunting in an alien environment like a giant monster like Like first person monster hunter Like it'll be cool, right? Like that's just a possibility But point is I do agree like like if they have the budget for it do multiplayer and if it comes out early on the switch To that can help it to be evergreen I think it sounds like double the amount if they had a good multiplayer I would that they continually update like a cartoon style kind of strategy. Yeah I could see the lack of fps multiplayer games on switch I'll be honest because I think a call of duty is coming but I've never been a big metroid guy, but if they Did make it a little more open? And added a multiplayer. I would be inclined to buy become a metroid for I played But Dread is not metroid prime. Those are two very different games. Like I saw the metroid prime remaster and I was like Yeah, okay, you're the reason already stole the million. I am I'll also say I'm not By the way, we had another financial brief come no updates to metroid primary master What did I say? It wasn't gonna sell like crazy numbers and you thought it was gonna go nuts. I mean no, it's not All right at the end I just I was right about something with metroid I was something I wanted to be wrong about that's all so will nintendo ever stealth drop a game like that again Probably not well They might do with the prime One and two Yeah, they did it with bickman one and two. Yeah, I don't think the shadow drop is really it It's just it's just metroid's never had a huge appeal Yeah, like imagine if they shadow drop twilight princess and wind waker. Those would sell like crazy. Yeah, because it's zelda They probably sell all these four mill. Yeah, I just want to say that a million is not like a little right like no No, no, I used to be players but you were like, oh it'll probably outsell dread. I'm like we'll see And that could happen, but it doesn't look like it doesn't look like it I mean even dread didn't doesn't look ever mean like it's just three point something million Which means it barely sold more than the last time and they had an official update It's weird though because Um ego if if we're talking about fundamentally, you know moving away from metroid prime something that they could Fundamentally change that would get me to buy the game is give me the option to play in third person um Not that I have anything against first person I just personally Like being able to like do the over the shoulder camera and see my character as opposed to Looking down the barrel of a gun like I prefer fortnight where I can play third person As opposed to something on battlefield or call of duty where it's just the gun. Yeah, because I feel like it gives me a better What's the word I'm looking for like spatial awareness. Sure in the game because I can actually see Around so not saying it's the only way to play the game, but just gives me that as an option Yeah, and I would definitely get into the game So I want to get Paul a chance to talk. Sorry. I've cut you off twice. What what were you trying to say about the game? I was You were saying something about nintendo live and the nintendo direct happening around september that's the last That was a little thing chime and then yeah regarding a stealth drop I think that I mean If we're still assuming that measure prime two and three are getting some type of ht port That could potentially be a hey this september. There's another announcement You know and maybe it's released as a bundle like if there's less effort being put into measure prime two and three then remastered then instead of a Solo $50 cartridge. It's you know a $50 bundle or a $60 bundle. That's two hd remastered ish Well, just call it hd Uprest versions of the game and that's it. Maybe they're able to be purchased separately on e-shop Maybe the digital version comes first and then a physical second if they want to play that around In an ideal Scenario it likes in my mind like because i'm a math guy i'm a numbers guy I like the way this sounds because it's all seven months apart Metroid prime remastered February seven months apart From then you would have metroid prime two in september Seven months later is april next year metroid prime three and seven months later is Nintendo switch to metroid prime four Yes, you're spending them out seven months apart each between, you know, metroid prime remastered to hd three hd or two remastered Okay, i lost i lost. Yeah, i might have lost him or he i'm not sure if he's fully cut out there. No It's okay. We'll see we'll see we'll give him a moment to see if i'm damn nintendo ninjas leaky He said he was two on the nose Here i was about to say like april like there's no directs in april and then it tells like that's it This one shoo launch it out for that month and they're gonna shadow drop Oh, i will say kind of stop it I i can see the 2023 for switch two it's too late We're in august. I said i was gonna wait until august, but i you're not gonna you're not gonna wait because there There was somebody who said, Hey, we got a lot of reports the last week or so. Yeah, it's people who are more trustworthy than a lot of the other when there was no news, it was a lot easier to be like, oh, yeah, it's coming out this year. But now that there's like people actually coming out and saying, oh, yeah, here's when we think it's actually coming out and it's next year, like holiday next year. I'm like, OK, yeah, OK, I can see that I was going to be wrong. Yeah, it happens. Are we ready to move on to the next topic? You guys want to keep that metro? What's up? I mean, I know I just could talk metroid all night. I mean, I guess it's just like my time on just come on. Yeah, I'm going to listen to people talk about Pokemon. Because it's like perking up. Because I do Pokemon. I just know you're a professional Pokemon hater, too. So I love it. I mean, I'm down to talk about Pokemon. That's OK. Let's give it a go back in here. I get all this pop pick up. All right, we got Paul back. I don't know how much of that metroid topic was heard because my audio was coming in. Cut off like the word April. Yeah, Nintendo like cut you out once you leak the prime. Yeah, you. Yeah. Yeah, those are the whole schedule. Seven month intervals. I know you're connected, Paul. That's why I'm like they're watching and they knew I do. That's kind of an interesting fun being well connected. Because he wasn't welcome. Yeah, he wasn't well connected at the moment. Yeah, let me ask you a question, though. I'm kind of curious on your perspective, though. So you suggest like an April release timing for primed. And I know it's just like, you know, it kind of fits. But like normally we don't have directs in April and we've been seeing these prime games get shadow dropped during a direct. Are you thinking that it just won't get shadow dropped? Are you thinking there's going to be a special direct in April? The Metroid Prime 4 direct. Oh, what do you think? 19th, that was the doomsday date of that we had on those January 19th. I'm trying to think. I think it was January 19th, the date that they announced. The whole the whole reboot. So that doesn't really sync up well with that. I mean, I have two different, you know, trains of thought. One is as early as this fall. They have a shadow drop of Metroid Prime 2 and 3 HD. And that's what it is. And then for we get later on. And then I have another thought where, you know, this, this September is just a Metroid Prime 2 of some sort, some kind of caliber. In February, Nintendo Direct is a, here's an announcement of Metroid Prime 3, which comes out in April. There you go. If it's a remastered kind of version and then switch to November next year, that's Metroid Prime 4. All four games, seven months apart, slowly building up height. This is where I don't think you heard what I said, because I think I was cutting out at this point, but just spacing wise. It doesn't overwhelm people with Metroid. Clearly, like Nate saw, you know, the game last had that update of 1.09 million. They're not evergreen titles. It's somewhere less than a 1.5 million at this point. So you sell to this audience, seven months later, they've already moved on. They're not selling gangbusters every month after month like two. They release another one. You release another one like it's a nice even strategy. Building up to Metroid Prime 4 in November. If these games are remasters along the way of two and three, then it's worth pushing them apart. If not, then I could see just an HD bundle at some point. I feel Paul gave us two different scenarios, because one of them is the real one and the other one is off. Because you pay attention to his Twitter. He's got all these pictures with all these Nintendo celebrities. I'd rather say he knows that he's met Dougie. He's probably a Doug Bowser on a speed dial over there. I'm sure you know me a moto. Look, I mean, I just kind of feel like he just knows and he can't tell us because like, here's the thing. Paul Gale always is like 100% accurate on sales data. So he's got somebody in his ear. He's trying to throw off the scent by giving us two tracks. Two tracks. This is so off topic with Paul. You're jacked. Holy hell. I looked at your Twitter profile. You're shredded, dude. You're shredded. What the hell? I'm scared now. Yeah, you don't want to mess with him. He was a reason the Nintendo ninjas don't come after him. There's a reason that like I'm on a health kick and he's tried to get me to do his little workout regime every single time because he's just like, dude, look at me. This is what you want. Right. Look at me. I trained the Nintendo ninjas. Oh, he's a Nintendo ninja master. It's all coming together. It's all coming together here. It's full circle. There's too much heat. It's too much heat. When Aldrich was coming up with that idea earlier to Nate about the fitness journey, Nate and I talked about that a long time ago, but like, you know. That was before I got a major injury back then, yeah. You know, how this podcast kind of be this sort of a thing. You know, you could dress up as little Mac. I could dress up as Doc Lewis and make a big. I look more like Doc, though. I mean, if you want to be actually accurate to the characters. Well, the thing is that we're you're thinking about the end of the beginning of the game. We've got the end of the game. Like you're going to have a transformation. Yeah, I suppose. And so will Paul. He'll go the opposite. No, you won't. No, you won't. Would it would have any and shredded whatever that shirt off. Like you're taking me to a nursing home. I'm good. So maybe this this helps you segue or not. I'm not sure. But I'm just kind of curious, Paul, because like you're you're suggesting that maybe prime four is a November title. There's a few implications of that. One, if Nintendo is pushing out prime for for November, that's like, that's, you know, prime time, a holiday. Got to be on switch to then, right? But then on the other flip side, like we usually see Pokemon come out in November. So, you know, what do you think? We don't, we don't get Pokemon November. Do you think they shove in both? Or I feel like games like that would have to be based out by a month. We probably get the DLC in November, or at least one of them. Well, I'm talking about 2024. Right. Oh, yeah. Well, they've done two games in November. They've had like a big game and Pokemon at the same time. They just space them out by like three weeks. Well, what big game? I have to go back and look at the release. Cause I remember there being two major games at one point in November, one was Pokemon, but they literally were, they were three weeks apart. So it was close to a month apart. Three weeks. Okay. Yeah. It was, it was like right before Black Friday and then the first week of the month. I know this at one time where we had games that were coming on the same, like between October and November. Yeah. I think it also depends. Like new system, how they line up the launch and is Pokemon cross-gen or is it only on switch but backwards compatible with switch too? Pokemon company also likes to have their games, their mainline games on hardware with established. Yeah. I don't, I legitimately don't even think it's going to be a cross-gen game. I think it's just going to be a switch game. Yeah. But it'll run better on switch too. Maybe. That's how it works, man. I remember playing Sun and Moon. I remember, I remember. Rather black and white anyway. Yeah. And it ran better. I think we'll finally have, I don't even know. I didn't play those games at all. So yeah, playing them on the older systems, they always kind of lagged a little and then on 3DS it was better. Paul, what do you think? I think we'll finally have longer than three years as this mandated time that the Pokemon company feels they have to commit to for the Pokemon generation because usually they're so synced up with the anime that the wheel needs to turn. They don't have enough time to cook and develop games for six years, but this time with the Pokemon anime kind of rebooting in a way, you have Ash Ketchum's journey ending this September on Netflix, you're having the new show starting up, you know, this is going to stretch out the life of Scarlet and Violet a little more because the anime kicks off with Scarlet and Violet when this new trio, I think it's a trio of characters begin anew. So I think this also helps the likelihood of, you know, Pokemon company having more time for that Gen 10 game because when did Scarlet and Violet come out? November of 2020. 22. So at the earliest, by the normal standards, 2025 November would be when that next Pokemon game comes out. Assuming Nintendo Switch 2 comes out next April or next November, that's like a year to maybe a year and a half of it being out. Is that a big enough install base for the Pokemon company? Or do they say, you know what, we're actually going to have it as a, you know, 2026 title and the anime is still going to be around, still going to be fresh. And that's when we're going to have our new game. Personally, I think if they want to commit to that three years schedule fine, but let a legends game cook, let a legends game have five, six years, not tied to your anime, then you could make a bigger, better, more realized game. Maybe this is not going to happen probably, but you have a good relationship with Nintendo. Let Monolithsoft help you out. Have a bigger team with a bigger scope and work together to create a bigger, more polished product. They need all the help they can get. It'll be extra years because they're using Unreal Engine. So they're learning. That's the Unreal Engine game right there. But let's talk about this though, Legends, right? Because I've made a few videos last few weeks talking about Legends Keyroom, right? Like, I feel like they've been kind of hinting at something like this, right? But maybe it's not necessarily Legends. There's been some people kind of coming at me, the comments saying, Oh, how dare you suggest Legends Keyroom? That's not what it is. Yeah, yeah. But like, there's like the Riddler who, who like teases things and he's been teasing something gen five. And I don't think it's a remake. I think it's too soon for a remake. So Legends kind of makes a lot of sense. And the presents had some solid kind of gen five teases. There was, one was the, we're talking about the presents now, right? It's okay to just kind of Yeah, go in. Yeah, so a couple, a couple things that came out that kind of like seem to maybe hinting at like something gen five, when they showed off the DLC, there is this character called Drayden, which sounds a lot like Drayden. It's just a difference of one letter. There's a gender-related or it's implied. It's strongly implied same kind of hair and characteristics. Drayden is a D Dragon, one of the Dragon gym leaders from gen five. Drayden is a Dragon type trainer, right? And what's even more interesting, he has a new Pokemon. It's Arcaladon, which is an evolution of Duraladon. Arcaladon is a Pokemon based off Bridges. It's a Dragon Pokemon based off Bridges. And Bridges are a huge motif for you Nova. Like it's, it's based off New York and all the bridges. Yeah. So it feels like a gen, it's definitely like a gen five, at least kind of like paying homage to it in some way. But it's been argued that there's going to be some kind of gen five, or actually hinted by the Riddler that there's some sort of gen five hint within the DLC and historically Pokemon games always hint towards something. And what's also interesting, though, is that we have this new character. I think her name is Perrin. And she actually shares up a lot of characteristics with Adam Perrin from Legends. The hair line, the band, the bang, the hair, the hair color pattern. Yeah, she's she's she's she's beautiful. Yeah, she's beautiful. But yeah, so it's just interesting how like there seems to be kind of like these mounting potential T's and hints for something gen five related next year. I think Legends makes the most sense. But yeah, I think I mean, I would like to see a new Legends game. I've loved Legends. Legends was like, I want the future of Pokemon to be Legends. Honestly, it's such a nice shakeup of the formula of the game. The core gameplay loop is fantastic. And just I don't know. Legends. That was my that was my shit. Love Legends. But, you know, I I could see something coming next year. But to your point of you think it's too soon for a remake. If they're doing the thing like they did with gen four, where they gave it to the other company, Ilka, like if they still have Ilka on the on the back burner, making remakes, like turning out remakes, I could also see another like we get the same thing where it was just a tried and true remake, and they charge you $60 for it. And then they gave us some sort of Legends game. It's like a different whatever. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if they would do that strategy again. But I don't the original two sold well, like the two remakes. What is it? Yeah, I think they did good. But like, I personally, I'm not huge fans of them because they took out a lot of features from like the third version that I, you know, was like, this isn't great. But if they have that Ilka still turning stuff in the background, then I could totally see them doing like, Hey, remake. Hey, legends. You know, I don't know. That's just me because because legends is in-house game freak and Ilka and then the remakes are just totally separate. Right. Yeah. So anyway, and legends could have sold a lot better, right? Because there was another Pokemon game that came out the same year. So Violet. Yeah. And there's only one version of it. They cut off its marketing. They didn't give it a holiday season as a dedicated dedicated Pokemon game. And yet despite that, it's still sold 14.9 million, like just under let's go Pikachu and Eevee. Like if they actually give the same level of attention as Pokemon, let's go Pikachu and Eevee. It would have probably done a lot better. Yeah. Welcome, Magnate. Anyways, I thought it was an emergency. My mom calling me at 10 p.m. I'm like, Oh, dude, someone in the hospital. No, it's because my kid, I grounded him for like an hour this morning and he got on the Alexa and he used the Alexa to get the hold of my grandmother. Can you please, can you give me my screen share permission? I would like to talk about this Hello. Hello right here. Um, so this is the paradox right Ryoku or no. Um, he's beautiful. He's a wonderful boy. Love it. So yeah, new paradox bonds. They didn't even announce it. They just they were on screen for literally like a second. This one in the cobalt one that which I didn't hold up. But yeah, that new paradox bonds. Uh, we got more details about the DLC. Um, here I'll stop, uh, stop screen sharing. Uh, more details about DLC. We got what else did we get in this Pokemon presents that mattered? Um, so basically stuff confirmed that DLC wave two is basically paywalling the battle tower in the safari zone. DLC wave one is actually kind of original. Like it looks like, oh, you're on a field trip and you're doing stuff with these new legendary mythical Pokemon. Uh, looks like another trio, honestly. And then, you know, new paradox bonds, new characters, all that jazz. Um, trying to think of like what else they said during the wave ones coming out September. Say that again. The wave ones coming out September. It's earlier than expected. September. I didn't know they gave it a date. They gave it a date. It's coming out September. Yeah. 13th. And all of a sudden which of 2023 could actually mean December? Maybe. Well, wow. Yeah. Crazy. Um, what else, what else did we get? Uh, did you mention the NSO update? Because that's the only thing I cared about. We're still talking about the DLC. Yeah, I was trying to think if there's anything I'm missing in the DLC. I think that's it basically with the DLC. There's a selfie mode. I thought there was always a selfie mode. U2 update. It's an updated selfie mode. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. It's a wider range. Yeah. Yeah. There's a uh, yeah. They also gave everybody a Mew and you can go do Radome U2 now. So that's pretty cool. We need to talk about that. We need to talk about that. Talk about it. We need to talk about it. Everything that presents is exactly as it predicted until they actually announced the presents because I did my purchase before the announcement and I didn't like once they showed that like the teas like they just they didn't have to do anything. It's like put the white screen Pokemon presents and we would have paid attention but they add a little purple flare, right? So we all went in different directions. Oh, it's Pokemon Legends, Mewtwo. I was saying, oh, it's Detective Pikachu sequel because of the neon lights and the Mewtwo boss and it just turned out to be a terror raid battle. I think it's just ridiculous that they, I just thought it was a terror raid battle. Was that really what you were hyping up? Yeah, they really went hard on that trailer. I was like, why are the why is the trailer for this assuming being made in-house so like hard but then the game looks like it does. Like I don't know. I was like, damn, they really was just they were they were pushing this one. If it was like an actual quest that had like more than just, oh, go battle Mew two, like if there is like, you know, like they added like a free quest that took a that'd be like, all right, cool. That's like a free like little DLC. That would be neat. I would talk with that. But that's not what it was. It was a terror raid battle which they do every few weeks. That's where they had that advertise and tease it with like. They got a high point. Out of touch. Yeah, I mean, it did work. Yeah, but what I just did like the Game Boy sound from the trading card game and that would have been more hype. Yeah, everybody would have freaked out and then it would be like, it's just the Game Boy game. I don't think they'll ever put the regular games on NSO high key because they know they can milk them for $60 reboots 100%. They will never ever because I someone told me this the other day. I was like, I like I always have known that Pokemon Company is separate from Nintendo, but I thought that they are so close and Nintendo has a lot more agency over them than I then we think but at the end of the day, they still are third party and Nintendo doesn't really have an effect. It doesn't. I don't know. They don't have a part of TPC. It's more of a what because Nintendo help form it. They're one of the companies that help form it. So they own a huge chunk of it, but the whole reason they formed TPC is so they don't have to manage Pokemon. Yeah, like that was the so they could be hands off and be a but I was wondering because the biggest thing for me was and this is the this is the problem. I think a lot of people have with the DLC getting all this pub and everything is Nintendo themselves, the parent company, one of the co-owners of I mean, they literally own the Pokemon copyright. Just Nintendo owns the copyright of the Pokemon name, but they co-own all the stuff. They co-own Game Freak, they co-own TPC. They came out and said, we are going to release a patch to fix the performance of the game. Nintendo promised a patch that has never come that has never come. Still hasn't come yet. And my only thought process is that maybe Nintendo got a hold of the game freak and they said, well, we got to work on the DLC and Nintendo was like, okay, we'll try to fix your game and then they went and looked at it and they went, what the fuck what are you doing we have to recode the entire game and that's why they're forcing Unreal Engine. I'm just going to keep going back to the Unreal Engine. What the fuck is this pilot dog shit? No. When does a parent studio come out or parent company come out and say, we promise to fix this and then it just never gets fixed. Let's tell new content when everybody, I saw this in the live chat everyone in my stream was waiting for the big old DLC and we got a performance patch coming update blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they just blatantly ignoring because by the way, the Pokemon company never promised that they would fix it. No, but the company that partially owns you dead and it didn't happen. Now maybe it will happen. Maybe that's something they don't want to tease it. Maybe September 13th the DLC comes and it includes a performance patch with it. But but that was such good will to the fans you figured you'd announce it. Yeah, but they're the Pokemon company. I'll just keep it real with you. I'm sorry. I was born by them so much. The only thing I can think of is that if Nintendo actually themselves went and looked at the game let's get a couple of our QA testers and some devs on it. Let's just take a look at what's going on so we can fix it. And they realized that it was just a mess and let's say this turn over a game freak thing that Glassdoor seems to keep represented. It's just a horrible place to work. They're having a hard time keeping people and Nintendo looked at this and saw this GIMES if after this game if Nintendo is going to be a little bit more involved to make sure that it doesn't get a game releasing in that state again. That I could definitely see. I could see them. I think this might have broke trust with Nintendo. Yeah. Legends was great and you did this and ruined our reputation during the holiday season. People aren't getting mad at the Pokemon company. They're getting mad at us. It's a abusive game on our platform that sold 20 million in three months. They're mad at us. We can't let that happen again. While I do think a lot of people on the internet are just in general ill-informed and say a lot of dumb things. I'm sure sometimes even myself says dumb things without realizing but there's been a lot of people that have attributed the low quality to Nintendo. It's been that way to Pokemon forever. They get all the credit when Pokemon is good and the games and they get all the blame when they're bad. Just the way it's always been. I think I've made the argument that Nintendo always comes with high quality games and people are like Pokemon. You have the logo on the damn screen. I get it. Yeah. They do publish the game. Paul brought this up earlier but it's interesting how they're handling the anime. I haven't paid attention but if I'm not mistaken I don't think the new anime started yet. No. It was in America next month for like the last 12 episodes of Aach Ketchum's Journey. It already aired in Japan a few months ago but we have yet to even finish this final journey before the new one starts which is the birth of Scarlet and Violet. So that's why I think you know... Pretty deep into the generation already. It's already been almost a whole year this November. I am so forletting it cook. Let them cook because that again for how underbaked the last thing was. That's what I wonder too. If Nintendo chose to get just a couple overseers involved they're like wait, wait, Game Freak. You're telling them you're going to have this new game running in two years? We just saw your code in your last game tack on at least one more and that's with our assistance because we can't have you ruin the reputation of Switch 2. During launch year if a new Pokemon game came out on it like you just... We can't have bad rep from exclusive titles on our new system. It just can't happen at large. The vocal minority it's exactly that. The people that are online in the message board forums and on the YouTube channel, social media, Twitter, etc. acts whatever. Complaining about it. But they're the same people that make up of I'm boycotting this game because it doesn't have all 700 Pokemon. It goes on the sale 27 million copies. I will note the sales pace of this game is behind the last one. It's actually trending behind it. Even though it had that incredible start it's not keeping the sales going and it could be because of lack of Evergreen sales when everyone who talks about the game is like this game is shit. It's broken. You fall through the world. Look at all the TikTok glitches happening everywhere. That doesn't help market a game. 100% think the real teller will be the DLC sales compared to DLC of this game. The ratio will be lower. It'll either be lower or it'll be about the same even though that it has a higher install base and I think that'll be the real telltale sign of like our fans putting their money where their mouth is. Exactly. I go to these events where people like the hardcore fans are there and stuff and a lot of people are like not really. They don't really care about the DLC. I was only sold about the DLC recently because of the first wave. The second wave I don't really care about because again it's just paywalling features we got in past games. Anyways, put a pin in that. I feel like that's a pretty yeah. That's one of those we can revisit next year and have some sales data. For sure. Pokemon World is going on this weekend. The world championship of card game, the Pokemon Go game, the Pokemon video game and United or United, excuse me, are happening right now or about to be. They had a bunch of stuff about that in the direct and like here's a bunch of promo stuff again. Here's like go to the Pokemon stop and blah blah blah blah blah. There's all that stuff going on and it's exciting. What was I going to relate it to? Oh, there's something that they released so a new animated series. Not anime, it's an animated series. A path to the peak. It's basically Yu-Gi-Oh! What Pokemon? It's about the card game and like competing in the card like kids like this kid in school getting the card game going. I thought that looked really cute. I'm kind of excited for that because I really has a really good community. It's really well supported. They do a good job of balancing the thing. It never feels like there's just one meta. It's always like, okay, what are we rotating in and out and they do really well at the cards. I would hope so that makes them the most money. But the path to the peak anime looks really cool. That was the other thing in the Pokemon Direct that I was really excited about. I'll let you go to Pokemon Direct because those were kind of the two things with the DLC and then that anime. There really wasn't, in my opinion, there wasn't anything else really in the Direct that I gave a shoot about. That's just me. Remix! Yo, you could have all the Pokemon at Pokemon Go now! That's actually kind of exciting because I'm going to go for that. Stadium 2 and TCG dropping on MSO. Yes. That was kind of good. They announced some N64 games a long time ago. Like end of last year. I looked at this graphic and realized four of them haven't even come out. What is going on with the Nintendo 60? Why did they announce stuff like a year ago that's still not here? Two drop today. Or not today. Yeah, Tenity Snowboarding was one of them. Mario Party 3. Mario Party 3 is one of them. It's like, how did you announce these a year ago and they're still not here? What is going on? I forgot. No, I understand that they're adding online multiplayer to stuff, but it's like, man. It was probably just to be like, hey, look at all these games coming. We're only launching one every three months. We'll probably get a cup a handful in the September Direct. That's probably just the reality. They'll be like, and now you get like five more. Have fun. Congratulations. We're never making a GameCube one. We're always going to port stuff. Honestly, so if Switch is coming. Okay, this is our mind. Pokemon. Go back to Pokemon. I'm going to be like, oh man, is GameCube going to be on NSO on Switch 2? Let's just go. I was about to ask. I was going to say, I don't think they do that. I think they keep porting because the past few GameCube games they've ported, they just make Googles and Googles of money is off of. Did we mention Detective Pikachu at all? He looks like ass. That looks like the worst game ever. Like, that is, it's shocking. It looks like a 3DS game. It really does. It looks like a 3DS game. I mean, it was a good game. Your first one. As someone who's like, not a huge Pokemon fan. One, I'm really excited for Pokemon Detective Pikachu Returns. I really am. I love the first one. And the gameplay and the story, this looks, okay, it's more of the other one. It looks like a 3DS game. I'm just going to say something that people get really pissed off about in the Pokemon community. I don't think any of the Pokemon games on Switch look like modern games. They all look like 3DS games. Just in higher resolution. I'm just going to be honest. None of them look. Yeah. Okay, fine. Let's go. Sure. When I say all of them, obviously there's like new Pokemon Snap. That doesn't count. That was, that was made in an app go. But none of them look like they all look like ass. My favorite Pokemon game of all time. By the way, Pokemon Legends RCS. It looks like shit. It's garbage. That was the last time you checked your toilet. It was amazing. The world building is great. The story is really good. The catching mechanics, obviously I really love that. I love everything about that game. But yeah, I kind of just I see people shitting on Detective Pikachu and I'm like, dude, all Pokemon games look like shit. Why are we expecting them to look good? They've never shown they can make a good looking Pokemon game. I'm just modern hardware. Pokken is also another good looking. But again, not made by the it's not a mainline Pokemon game. Neither is Detective Pikachu. Sure. But Detective Pikachu just looks like the rest of the Pokemon games to me. By the way, the illustrations and cafe remakes look amazing. Okay, fine. Fine. I'm not talking about the moa, honestly, to be fair. I actually Pokemon unite to me looks like the most impressive visual Pokemon game there is. These are made by Game Freak doesn't make good looking things. The Detective Pikachu game doesn't look good. Cool. Where do they get their cues from? Oh, Game Freak doesn't make good looking Pokemon games. So why should we worry about it? I forgot what game it was. I think it was the DLC for Scarlet and Violet. But it shows in one of the frames it shows like them like putting their head through their candies or something in the red. The resolution on that is just awful. It's like NES so bad. NES is my favorite, Jen. Anyways, the reason I brought that up is when I see people shitting on it, I'm like, okay, why are we shitting on this thing? They all look like ass. We either just universally shit on them or we just shut up about it and accept that Pokemon games just don't look good. And that's what it is. And should we expect better from one of the most popular IPs in the world? Yes. They proven consistently. We're just not going to get better. It's gotten a lot worse. Let's go. I thought it was actually a solid start. I'm like, oh, look, it's not quite there. But at least it looks like they cared a bit about the visuals. And I was really excited to see what was going to happen with what eventually became Sword and Shield. And then Sword and Shield looked worse. And I'm like, oh, no. It's like a HD video game on a modern hardware. They just don't. They've been making things on things like 10 megabytes of RAM for too long. They don't know how to make modern games. I think it's the open world that they fumble with. Because Sword and Shield had good parts in it, too. But that was more the linear parts, like the mushroom town or whatever. There's always those some areas that look all right. It's the open world, though. The textures are just so bad. Okay. Are they still using the 3DS engine? Modified? No. The 3DS engine, they're still using the Game Boy engine. Well, that's what I'm saying. Are they still using, because they modified engines all these generations, are they still doing that? Or did they build a new engine and it just isn't fleshed out? I don't really know. Because it looks like to me, and even just movement-wise, and I'm like, if they're trying to do mod... To me, this is like, imagine that they tried to make Breath of the Wild, but they were doing it on the Twilight Princess engine. It's like, but it doesn't have the physics. It doesn't have... They just won't be able to do it. That's why they needed to do a new engine. The Pokemon company and Game Freak might need to recognize it's time to modernize. That's why I bring Unreal Engine back in. I'm not saying they're using Unreal Engine. It's just like... I just want to see... It just feels like they're using something they shouldn't be using. And that might be the core of all the problems. Using something that's not built for the hardware. I would agree. Wholeheartedly. And the problem is they've had seven years and it hasn't gotten better. It actually feels like it's getting worse. No, 100%. I don't think people want hyper realistic... Oh, sorry. Unreal Engine doesn't have to be hyper realistic. Yeah, and that's what I was saying. People just want a nice stylized game. That runs well. And looks like... When you're playing the game and it looks like something that is maybe we era at best it just... I mean, come on, Nintendo shits outside scrollers in a year that look better than this. What are we doing? And it's like... What makes people really frustrated is not only because it's one of the largest IPs in the world so it's not a budget reason. They have money. It's also Nintendo. Nintendo has this quality standard with their games where... Man, you know... We imagine like the Switch 2, right? One of my biggest thrills about it is, oh, it's PlayStation 4 Power. Look what they did with Switch. You give them PS4 power, their games are going to look better than some PlayStation 5 games. Because Nintendo's developers are just that damn good. And it's like... And you have that as your parent company and the publisher and you're allowing this mega IP studio to just shit out some of the worst quality graphic-wise games. It just doesn't make sense to me. And performance-wise. Well, I mean now officially performance-wise. Sword and Shield at least ran decently and you weren't following through the world I mean, Pokemon Legends RCS again ran good enough. I didn't really understand why it had some of the hitches it did given there wasn't that much going on on the screen at once. I didn't really... I've seen more impressive games on Switch not have problems, but I was like, but it's the Pokemon company this is probably still using the damn 3DS engine and you know what? For using something meant for like hardware from a decade and a half ago, it's all right. So, I'm going to give you a little bit of a pushback. Right. I... I understand where you're coming from. It's not like I'm not blind to the sky. Well, I don't think anyone's blind that they don't the games don't work that good. I mean, I think there are parts that are pretty, but obviously there's a lot of issues. I think a lot of the stylistic... I like the art direction it's just they could have done way more. I feel like I can envision a better looking game on a 360 in theory, right? But I would say before Scotland and Violet you could very easily make the argument that they're actually trending in the right direction in terms of what they're doing with their games because Sword and Shield comes out and they incorporate the Wild Area, which is something new for Pokemon and while it was a little choppy, it was adding an open-ish environment, right? And then the DLC comes out and they run better, there's a little bit more to them they're more diverse, they look better and so like, okay, we see a good pathway then Legends comes out and I would say it does an even better job than even the DLC Wild Area and that looks pretty good and then Scotland and Violet comes out and the entire game is open world so from that perspective, there actually has been an upward trajectory in terms of exploration but the performance got so bad that, you know, we're like okay, what's going on but I mean, the real problem is it's just that they don't have enough time so what's interesting is we heard that Game Freak sets their own time frames they're actually not being pressured by TPC they tell TPC how long they need to make a game now I think once that's set in stone they can't delay but why wouldn't they give themselves more development time that's just what I heard how it works is that TPC doesn't pressure them is that like an inside thing how long we need for each game is that a rumor or is that like an interview we can call it a rumor but it comes from a former employee at Nintendo of America who used to work on vocalization but it's still hearsay because he was just told by somebody else at the company I mean, that's a rumor he said, she said and then you look at Glassdoor and Game Freak I'm just and the games look like shit anyways visually none of what you just said changes the fact that visually they still don't look good just because we saw a progression to open world their ideas have gotten better I think they've experimented more but I like a lot of the ideas in the new games I was super excited for Scholar Models I love the ideas and there are some good things in there but it doesn't look visually good and for me I just expect it to look like shit so I can kind of overlook that a little bit but I can't overlook that and have the bad performance on top because it just doesn't add up to me that games can look like that garbage while Dragon Quest 11 looks way more impressive and is a last gen game and runs beautifully on Nintendo Switch obviously Nintendo's own games The Witcher 3 the Witcher 3 looks glorious hell and does not have hitches like this I'm not really disagreeing with you I'm just pointing out they're getting more ambitious with each one that's awesome there are visual upgrades Scholar Invite is trying to be a better looking game it's that maybe there's a lot of debate there I'd rather it just be all the Pokemon have all the Pokemon have new textures right now there's a lot of Pokemon that may sound really basic but there's a lot of Pokemon that now have metal textures they have a shine or a gleam to them there are Pokemon that have a fur texture or scales that's a new thing in Scholar Invite which may sound really simple but it is something that's being incorporated into these styles of new Pokemon models I get what you're saying this is supposed to be a AAA franchise on modern hardware and it looks generations old saying something on Switch people talk about how generations old it is and it looks generations old compared to the games coming out on Switch it doesn't feel you're talking about there's a metal shine you act like this hasn't been in modern gaming oh there's fur, there's scales this is all modern gaming we have this stuff and they have a company that they could probably just get on the phone with that could help them if they would just allow it I think you brought this up earlier but I like the idea of Monolithsoft helping out or the Zelda team helping out maybe using that they need someone helping out but the code that the engine for Choose the Kingdom I feel like it'll be ideal for a Pokemon game and let me explain why it's launchback the Pokemon game it's an open world with a lot of characters in the environment moving around and interacting with the environment and that's maybe part of what makes it challenging it's not just a character moving around in the world and there's a couple of interactions there's a lot of different creatures all around then you look at Choose the Kingdom what they did with that tons of physics involved, tons of manipulation and interaction and then you can have skirmishes you can have large skirmishes with dozens of enemies you can be fighting alongside a whole bunch of NPCs and bring in four or five of your own party members all at the same time with the physics graphs, with the creations all at the same time with dynamic weather that's a lot going on and the slowdowns the frame rate hiccups are fairly minimal and the game still looks pretty good imagine if they were to put Pokemon in an engine like that because all the things that are going on there are the kind of things that do go on in Pokemon well that's my thing that's why I hope when Nintendo promised a patch and I never got it delivered I'm assuming Nintendo at least looked at it and if they decided this is just like we got to eat the whole game to fix this then I'm hoping that they decided that hey, we got more hands on and we're going to give them some of our internal tools maybe even an internal engine and teach them how to use and implement it in a way for open world games because yeah, ZW massive open worlds all the time you got Zelda doing it, Nintendo has open world games and they have engines that run pretty well so if they could just like I don't know, the big title will be the next big newly developed game freak Pokemon game that'll be the one that I think will tell if Nintendo got involved especially maybe we should even think of it more like a new generation the next new generation one I think will be telling if it suddenly comes out and it's really polished I'm going to be pretty convinced Nintendo got involved and they might be using it we might even find out day one they're using oh, suddenly they're using Launch Pack well there you go then that's what Zelda uses I think we have to wait till 2026 for the next gen that'll be the real time I don't think if that Legends game is coming out, I think that was already in development I don't know if Nintendo is going to help much for that one but I think the next new gen that next one I think is going to pop off for 20 million possibly real quick that Nintendo might be involved just a little bit, I'm not saying Nintendo is like sending all their development teams over to help but I think they want to avoid the public embarrassment on a new system because this is going to be coming out early Pikachu wasn't embarrassing for them well let's go Pikachu is a good game yeah and it wasn't embarrassing for them it was fine it's still probably just from a pure visual even looks a little clear and a little crisper than some of the newer Pokemon games after it but it was less ambitious of course so it was easier to do that I would say let's go Pikachu and Eevee it actually looks like a Nintendo game yeah it looks fine especially early Switch game totally fine, I don't have a problem with it it does what it needs to do it's simple but it does everything it's trying to do perfectly very clean, very colorful doggie brings up they should have full control I don't know that Nintendo I'm not saying Nintendo wouldn't be willing to take over over game development I think they look at it as they already co-owned Game Freak we need to just find a way for Game Freak to be better yeah Game Freak should be able to handle it and if that means lending teams from Monolithsoft, if that means having some key members from the Zelda team come over and just sort of help them out because my whole thing is if Nintendo promised a performance patch I don't think that was just word speak I don't think they were just throwing that out there to calm people down I think at the time that they said it they probably didn't think it was a big deal because they patched all their games and then they probably just had a couple of their best guys look at it and they just probably said this needs to be it can't be fixed maybe it's the engine, maybe the engine itself it just can't, it's just not meant to run on this hardware they have no idea why they keep trying to force a 3DS engine on this system it doesn't make sense and that was a realization or they looked at it and said oh it could run but the amount of work that needs to be done is practically like what Owada did to get the original Pokemon games to run in the first place he basically yeeted the code base and recoded the whole damn game himself Owada is just a wizard, people forget some of the stuff he did to make some of the games back then run and Nintendo with a game this size probably like we're not going to yeet the code and recode the whole game for them while they're developing DLC so then we're going to make this game run well then this crappy code DLC is going to come out and run like crap in comparison they might have been one of those that Nintendo looked at and they said we really can't fix this but what we can do that you're now starting development for your next gen, your next generation of Pokemon, let's be their day one to help you out and maybe Nintendo didn't know how bad it really was I like to think they would know how bad or it is a game freak if there's a lot of turn over but maybe they just didn't because maybe Nintendo just spend that hands off because it just keeps making the money so they don't worry about it and it's a Pokemon company to keep charge I would say this is the first one that's given them like genuinely bad PR like Sword and Shield had like little rough spots but overall bad PR in the holiday season but this one was like the first one that like yeah it gave it like off like it was like everywhere on Twitter it was glitches and whatever this was wild and I think they're worried about if Nintendo's concerned about anything it wasn't this running the reputation of Switch that the kingdom was coming right on the corner people would just forget about it but I think it's one of those the next generation of Pokemon is probably coming out within the first couple of years of this new platform and they can't and they know it's going to be a big holiday title and they just can't have like year 2 of let's say it comes out year 2 2026 or whatever they can't have year 2 of their brand new platform all of a sudden get embarrassed at holiday because around that time who knows what the other platforms are doing they might be talking about new generations at that point and you can't have Nintendo come out with an embarrassing game for their holiday title one that the only reason the internet's talking about it is because it's a joke so I do think but again this is all stuff that we're not going to know for years if Nintendo got involved so all I know is I've never seen Nintendo apologize over a game they published because of the quality because of the lack of I've never seen Nintendo publicly apologize and I think one thing we forget in this is that there are Japanese company and one thing about Japanese companies and Japanese people and Nintendo has showed this over time they believe a lot in honor they believe a lot in pride and the fact that they promise something that they couldn't deliver that's going to bother them that they made a public promise that it wasn't delivered on so they're probably going to try to make up for that by ensuring this doesn't happen again but we'll see they can only do so much I know they have a lot of sway with Pokemon but I kind of got the feeling and I think we've known this for a while Nintendo's been pretty hands off with Pokemon for a long time I don't think they've really been involved you're just making us money every year there's no major complaints we're good we have the detective Pikachu trailer in their direct too and that was another thing too are they going to start dropping the Pokemon games in the directs maybe Nintendo wants more control over the messaging now of new announcements who knows Nintendo apologized and so now maybe they're having they apologized for it there wasn't an apology and then they promised to fix it but they couldn't that's my great hope for Pokemon because then I'll be really excited for the next generation because right now I'm not excited for that next generation I'm just like nope because look what you did you're not going to do this the only thing that's keeping us alive is a competitive scene maybe and then maybe shine a new Legends game I might have a smidge of faith but then again they could ruin that faith with this game this game could have run in just as bad would you guys prefer a Legends Curam kind of game or would you prefer a Black and White 3 Legends is it universal Legends no one's going Black and White I just love the gameplay loop of just I catch Pokemon I catch a shit ton of Pokemon it's so much better than get in the battle auto it's so much better than auto battling that's like the quick thing of the new game the new game that I guess they were trying to compensate for the fact that they didn't have it is auto catching and like sneaking up on Pokemon and sniping them out of the air and yeah the Legends formula needed things to like trainer battles there wasn't trainer battles right there was some it wasn't a focus of the game but they were in the game yeah it was like boss battles where like you get to like a new camp and sometimes there would be somebody at the fight at the camp but it wasn't like a focus there was no multiplayer right no I don't think so maybe that's something bad yeah no multiplayer I presume the next Legends game will have even more new ideas on top whether it's more fresh ideas like that game had a whole lot of fresh ideas so maybe it's even completely more fresh ideas or if they start borrowing from the main line of games we'll have to wait and see how they're doing that one thing for sure it's sold like 14-15 million as a solo release they're making another one there's no way in heck you abandon that and it's universally praised and it's one of the highest reviewed Pokemon games it is the highest reviewed game a Pokemon game on switch like they're not abandoning that really great sales great critical reception great fan reception it's all there like you gotta do it again so I think it'll make Andra as happy if it's Pokemon Legends Paradox Raikou yeah bring him back I would be interested to end the show we'll take 10 questions from the chat you guys can add Nintendo Prime in the chat to get your questions in or you can super chat and that will guarantee your question will be chosen we technically have one already from earlier from Justin Basil going back to the switch he says switch VR wasn't there a recent patent regarding 3D audio I believe there was I think I remember mentioning it in a video I never made it like the main topic but I believe they talked about 3D spatial audio I don't really know how they can deliver that with just the speakers I mean I guess DOE Atmos tries to do that right they try to have their speakers be like a 3D audio effect I don't know I mean look I do suspect that there might be some work like that like in the switch shoe like we talked about a lot of things like hey I do think the audio experience I think is going to attempt to be better I just don't know what they're going to do to make it better oh you guys have any thoughts on 3D audio because audio is important in games man I have nothing 3D audio is about spatial awareness that's all it's about I was going to say I don't even know the difference between normal audio and 3D audio blasting in your ears versus being able to tell where things are coming from imagine using that for like a VR headset yeah I mean the other console the other consoles have it you plug in a headset you have 3D audio you have spatial awareness audio isn't that been a thing since like it's been a thing for a while but Nintendo hasn't really had now they've had like something near left here or something near right here but they haven't had it where you can tell like where things are in front or behind oh okay it's going to be their next time or the controllers will have an audio jack so you can have headphones for the first time oh that's funny we have a question in from dank meme center he says care to share backwards compatibility makes or breaks you from buying a system I'm assuming for next gen I don't think it makes or breaks me because I'm a content creator but if I was just average joshmo it would definitely hold me I would hold off until there was a bigger library on the new console because if there's no backwards compatibility and there's only like one game I ain't going to buy that day one I will meet personally because again I gotta depends on the game yeah true it does also depend on the game but I'm in it baby I'm deep in that hole but if I was the average joshmo I'd be like why the hell do I need to buy this there's no games there's all that just Zelda I say just Zelda like it's not that big of a deal but it's an average person I don't know why this is talking about Zelda this is a little bit unrelated I'll get to my answer to this question I'm a content creator so I'm obviously going to have a day one but I'll talk about if I would get it if it didn't have a game I wanted at launch we brought up games so we have the Nintendo financial report recently for Q1 you know what game didn't crack a million in sales so we got no update on it advanced wars 1 plus 2 reboot camp franchise dead well I bought it I didn't I mean they sent it to die we know the way they ended up releasing it was sending it to die but they can't help the geopolitical consequences it would have been better if it released when it was supposed to release yeah I don't think the infinite delay like I think a lot of people just kind of forgot about it and they barely marketed it when they were supposed to come out I don't think it would have been that tone deaf to what was going on me personally did any of the other big developers delay their war games like no the only time I've ever the only time I've ever heard of anything remotely like that in media is when like 9-11 happened they've changed or delayed or whatever because of that I think it's more of the Japanese mindset where it's like showing respect or whatever that's valid yeah yeah getting back to the original question about backwards compatibility it's a value add and one thing I will say that does change for me is if I get a pre-order in at say GameStop or something is assuming they'll still be around in a year maybe it's a bad presumption but one thing I like about pre-order in GameStop is you could pay it off over time that's one thing I've always appreciated I don't have to have the money right away or I don't have to be like oh it's Amazon pre-order and then you're just gonna randomly charge my bank when you decide to ship the thing and I understand a lot of you guys just keep the money set aside but there is something about having a pre-release layaway program that's really nice and for me anyways GameStop is the only place that offers that so one thing that it would change my mind about is if there was backwards compatibility I would trade my switch in towards it oh yeah because I wouldn't need it anymore now as a content creator you argue oh you still need to do the comparisons I can get access to another switch to do the comparisons I don't need my personal one to do that so that is one thing that does because I've always I kept thinking like before I did YouTube I always traded my systems in towards the next one but a lot of them had backwards compatibility so it really wasn't a concern it really wasn't until the Wii U and then I traded it anyways because I didn't have enough money to buy a switch so I traded it well to be fair I probably did have enough money like $800 at launch but I couldn't help it there was all that I needed every amiibo oh man I need one to switch that might be the next switch so I better get that too I probably didn't need to trade in the Wii U but to get everything I wanted I needed to trade it in the PS5 or yeah so if Nintendo doesn't do it they're gonna really be the only company that I don't know and it's not like they're going to history now like I think the Wii U to the switch obviously they couldn't because it was yeah that's like the only time they haven't done backwards compatible but I mean it was kind of it was it kind of made sense why I'll say this yeah backwards compatibility or no if the next 3D Mario was a launch game I was I don't need to be a YouTuber I'm buying the system I'm that big of a Mario family I'm there today I think I'm in I'm in the boat of if it if there's no backwards compatibility I will definitely wait yes even if there's a 3D Mario like I love Mario but also don't worry there'll still be 70 bucks later yeah I wasn't like I wasn't ain't going anywhere I was scrambling to buy a Switch for Breath of the Wild and that was like the big game granted I was also like 15 and couldn't afford a Switch on my own Switches were even available but I think it'd be one of those things where I'm like yeah I'll just wait let the initial like crazy get out and then when it's a little easier to get one I'll get it then it's a fight like is there any game they could launch with that would make you really like fight for it for day one like any game possible it has to be something Zelda but I know it won't be top down that science system so they wouldn't drop that at launch anything yeah anyone else like backwards compatibility affect your willingness to go day one or how do I look at all if you could just never carry your stuff forward Super Mario World was such a big improvement over Super Mario Brothers 3 visually that it was an instant day one the concept of playing games in 3D and the brand new analog 164 day one Nintendo GameCube didn't have a AAA must have Luigi's Mansion Luigi's Mansion was that like a 10 or a 5 but Super Smash Bros Melee technically came out like two weeks later maybe that was the bigger of the two games between it and Luigi's Mansion it was definitely the bigger game we had Twilight Princess but you could argue you could have played that on GameCube but we was the promise of we sports and that was compelling even with you it's like you're glued in I'm going to be honest the whole generation I got a Wii U day one and that's the one system that I shouldn't have bought that day one I did not that was my Nintendo crack addiction I didn't need that day one I could have waited until Pikmin 3 came out I couldn't wait it I was like 7 months later I was like September the following year or something I think every Nintendo hardware eventually becomes worth it and at the price if you're not waiting for a price drop being an early adopter is not a bad thing because you're just going to experience the fun that much longer unless if it's truly a game that doesn't pull you so I bought a Nintendo system for a game that you guys like I kept wondering why did I get Wii U day one and I know why I got it what game do I play the game that I play that the whole world hates but I play it all the time Madden Madden was coming Madden on the Wii U with the gamepad Madden was day one on Wii U they feature all the gamepad stuff I bought the Wii U for Madden that year only to find out it was the last version of Madden and from that point forward I regretted buying Wii U until all of a sudden a bunch of better games came out obviously like at the end the Wii U had a I don't want to say it had a giant library of great games but it had a nice 20 pack there was a nice 20 pack there of Nintendo games that came out that those were good games but like who buys a system for just 20 games usually I look at my 80-90 games on my switch but in the end I didn't end up regretting it but at the time if I didn't think Madden was going to be the current version because I always have a system that plays Madden I was like dude I'm going to skip Xbox I'm just going to play Madden now on Wii U it's going to be sweet I did get Black Ops as well was it Black Ops 2? one of the two that ended up being actually pretty good on Wii U they also had another console at the time too so it wasn't there wasn't a steady stream of games I remember going months without games and then like Lego would launch that's been true of like every system really till Switch they've had Game Boy and Ness existed at the same time they've always had that two tiered thing maybe it's because the Wii U had such a lack of third party support but after launch it didn't really feel like there was a whole I remember when Need for Speed launched it was supposed to be this really big deal even though the games coming out like almost two years later and it's seven months into a Wii U drought big deal out of this third party I'm like what other system would you ever make a big deal out of Need for Speed being like the big game coming this summer it just it was that first year some sparse times being a Wii trying to be a Nintendo fan that first year of Wii U can I revise my answer on the backwards compatibility because I just thought of a game that would make me get the console day one and it's might sound a little dumb but if I find out more than Madden on a Wii U if I find out Madden 08 baby if I find out that I can play Minecraft on Switch 2 and it not lag and actually run properly like it's supposed to day one you have a computer playing on PC what do you mean I don't like playing on my phone either that's the way God intended it to play Minecraft I know I need to introduce you to a thing on your phone it's called mirroring you can just port it on your TV I know but that's not the same I like playing with the control you can have controls I will say Xbox version Bluetooth controller it's okay that's me I'm buying a system to play Madden not even the good version of Madden most of my good Minecraft worlds are on Switch and I want to keep playing them but because it's so unbearable to play on Switch I haven't been able to play in for like two years now you can play maybe the Ray Trace Red Rock Edition on PC you can play with the controller on P-Shore but it's bedrock edition the bedrock edition that's alright hey you know what though that's fine like I think all of us might have that obscure game and Minecraft isn't an obscure game but like an obscure reason to buy a system you know we can already play it somewhere yeah I bought a PS4 back in the day for the show oh it will be the show there it is yep see how about the old one but here's the thing you at least were getting the current year version of it the current version with the current year tag on it thanks EA you did that with FIFA as well I hate this because I'm not even a FIFA fan oh but now we get the current version of SC24 the current gen that PlayStation 5 gets we're getting that now proving that you could have gave us the full excuse the whole time but Switch isn't powerful enough you literally are doing it right now so for all these years you were just bullshitting and treating Switch like a second class citizen oh it's EA what a surprise EA treating Nintendo poorly no nothing new there off topic favorite Pikmin right now without context heavy gravity Pikmin the purple one yes because my favorite color is blue what so what purple Pikmin is not I'll say red I was thinking about this the other day I don't know what's my favorite because I think they're all cool cool old Pikmin it looks so nice I like the glow Pikmin glow Pikmin are sick I only just recently got to the night and I was like oh these are nice it's gimmicky but it's it is gimmicky but I did Pikmin hand towel from the my Nintendo thing I love how you just have the hand towel look I'm in the middle of streaming my camera goes black and you hear a crunch it's the hand towel all with your Pikmin I like the purple heavy dense boys Pikmin Pikmin maybe design wise maybe blue I don't know this is less of a question but I hope a lot of people buy Prime 4 and decide to try it out because I'm sure it'll be great and sales don't equal the quality usually but I hope it succeeds which is fair look I've never bought a Metroid game I don't enjoy even Prime Hunters was fine Federation Force is way better than people people just knocked it because they wanted a real Metroid game Federation Force was a good game I've never bought a Metroid game that was bad so even other M is fun just a story is weird I don't mind there's a few words the gameplay that I think they should have chose one way and went with it I wish they didn't force you to swap the switch to the position that we wrote yeah that was there some weird things but I get what they were trying to do it just it didn't really to me not good practice wasn't good cohesion but I really enjoyed the game for what it was the voice acting was mundane but I think the script writing in the game was mundane so that is what it is you can only do so much with what you're given I don't want to knock the graphics for a Wii game though like that game it had a budget something about Metroid just when it's a 3D Metroid game it just forget that what it's just a Metroid game it just looks good it just is what it is I don't know what it just is Metroid Dread looks fantastic right and everyone was like oh it's just side scrolling get to a boss fight just don't even talk to me get to a boss fight and tell me that is not some damn good looking visuals those are sick yeah off topic again what's everyone's favorite switch decal like promo switch mine's obviously the Zelda one that just came out but if it wasn't that one what's your favorite special edition special edition switch so like Splatoon Splatoon one is pretty good too no no no don't tease me like that we all know Xenoblade did not get a special edition switch do they not? don't make me sad like that it's not big enough seller yeah do the Skyward store joycons count cause I like those a lot more I have them on my old switch there on my regular switch oh oh I have an update for everybody I have an update I forgot to tell you all I'm so excited about this so you can see there is an OLED switch Zelda switch back there and you're like why is it not there and on his dock because they remember a few weeks back I lost my switch they fucking found it I was so happy congratulations I left it on a plane apparently cause the airline contacted me was like hey you left this thing and I was like I was the most happy about it because I found out later there is zero cloud safer pokemon none so I had lost all of my pokemon data all of it so I'm so happy I got it back and I started moving a lot of pokemon to pokemon home but yeah that is the only cloud save is when you physically like put all the pokemon into home anywho if you lose your switch so fun fact some things you should be doing when you lose your switch if you don't want people to use your credit card information on it you can call Nintendo and be like hey can you like bonk the switch and deactivate it and they'll do that that's pretty neat I can't tell you where it is do you I'm going to say my favorite edition of the special editions animal crossing man I don't know that's a good one too it's just simple look at it it's summer baby it's just nice it's calming and I usually don't get that I was looking at some of the other ones I thought I liked the dragon quest one a lot and then I glance at it again it's been a long time since I've looked at that one I was like nah not really I think I just look at that and just keep thinking Zelda because there's a sword and shield in the front of it but did the animal crossing one man I don't know what it is I'm not a big cozy game guy I like relaxing my living room and with the switch just sitting there with the joy cons and it just the Mario was cool too the red and blue switch that's kind of an underrated one yeah it's kind of fun you can get the red dock which is pretty cool I think the Nintendo Labo one is pretty cool not my favorite only five exist in the world but the one where they made it look like cardboard oh sick it's pretty cool looking it covers the net tears of the kingdom animal crossing those two this isn't an official one but I found a one piece one it's not official though it doesn't count doesn't count it looks nice though I'm looking at it and I'm like okay then I have a Xenoblade switch I'm bringing in that I bought a skin off of that he willed it into being that's funny for me it's between two different ones it's the special day one edition the original switch the original switch or the special Metroid Dread edition oh you mean just the switch just basic the white joy con the white joy con the white joy con is clean it is so clean and it came out with Metroid Dread it's the Emmy edition cause you know the Emmy from Dread yeah I forgot Dread came out at the same time as the OLED that was kind of the the decal for it but it was just the regular OLED what no one's picking the Disney T-Soon T-Soon festival one no you know one thing one I will say is that people always go oh that game Fortnite the color scheme they had really nice graphics on everything oh the blue and yellow when you see it it screams Fortnite but it doesn't scream in an annoying way if you're a fan of Fortnite you probably think this looks sick I still can't believe they made a Fortnite switch back then that was after Fortnite was one of the most successful third party games like Fortnite get out of the phone yeah true look Phil Spencer on video is featuring switches behind them it could have been a Minecraft one Microsoft has absolutely decimated Minecraft but that's a topic for it yeah it's really bad it's actually getting really bad I've never liked Minecraft in the first place but I do like to spin off games oh I love Minecraft we've made Minecraft way too over complicated so now they're going to do a blizzard pull out Minecraft Classic Edition oh my god imagine you can do that though so in the game you can set it you can set it to like what version of the game you want it to oh that's so right so there you go they didn't take your Minecraft from you they either don't like the new stuff so the problem with Minecraft if we want to go down this rabbit hole for a second is that you know you have in your game theory you have start to end so in Minecraft the original concept that there was no start and there was no end or there was a star but there was no end and then they added an end literally and figuratively and so what they've been trying to do is add a bunch of shit in the middle and they keep adding more stuff in the middle they at one point added stuff that goes after the end so like the elytra in like post game air quotes post game content but they keep putting so much stuff that is meant to be middle or things that you do on the way to the end that it makes the like Nick was saying makes the game really over complicated and so it's running into this issue of okay how do they make Minecraft feel new and add new things especially after the caves update I feel like was like it's kind of like that's like the peak of complicatedness you can put into Minecraft now it's like okay what do you what do you change about this game now to make it feel different and fresh and new and still but still be fun without breaking it's already established tropes and mechanics so like they're breaking like they're absolutely destroying villager trading which is like a huge economy in in the system also outside of the game like the actual core gameplay the loop they're changing things about how like multiplayer works and like they're really trying to push bedrock edition which bedrock edition is like it's not as open source and not as free is a java edition and java edition has all these free servers and free things and blah blah blah blah and you can change your skin for free but in bedrock edition you have to pay money and you pay money to be a multiplayer like it's everything get the paywall then adding the freaking Minecraft store with mine coins is like one of the biggest fails of all time because I remember I used to be able to play bedrock on my phone on my ipad on my xbox and I could use custom skins that I drew up on my phone and just put them on there and now I can't do that alright well I think we're going to wrap it up there just taking the time wrap up time I do want to think let's go around the room and let people know what you got going on and where they can find you with Paul Gale Network what do you got going on where can they find you well where they can find me Paul Gale Network on twitter or on youtube.com slash the Paul Gale Network and as you mentioned at the beginning of the podcast review crew started officially this past weekend which is an ensemble cast that will eventually grow where we get together and kind of in an old school electronic gaming monthly manner have three four of us at a time talking about a game but reviewing it officially coming up with our own score which you were on and rogers based with on what was on and Andre Segers from game explained he said he wants to join in as well for Mario RPG specifically and Super Mario Bros wonder so that might be like four or five of us we'll see and then also I showed this earlier but I don't know if it was seen or not I am going to Nintendo live next month so I'm hoping that it's going to be on exclusive coverage yeah sure if you want like I mean I've got six passes so if you want to go you can't just wave that in my face oh my god it is not so simple for me I got to lie do you actually just have six passes to go for to give out I told you this guy was connected I wasn't kidding sending Paul a DM after this bro remember he said he trains the ninjas bro I didn't just book tickets to Toronto last night for Pokemon regionals I would much more considerate but I might need to pass I'll look at the finances at the very least when's Nintendo live the exact days Labor Day weekend I'll be in Columbia yeah Labor Day I'll be playing Nintendo Switch too for the first time new hardware could you imagine I swear I swear if they got some backroom crap going on that could have been hard and I didn't go we just showed off the Nintendo Direct we should have a new hardware but we're only selecting a few people to come back and play it actually oh my goodness imagine and Paul's the guy he's got the hook up I said the second I give up on 2023 they're gonna do it yeah okay Nick wouldn't okay where can they find you Mr. 100 episode well we just put out our 100th episode of the Nerdiest Podcast this week it was three hours long basically which was really fun to edit but they do edited version yeah we record our episodes and edit them and then put them out I do want to try to do more live stuff in the future I will say it's easier to set like the work that goes in the setting up so much easier than the work that goes in editing I would 100% agree we've got that we're putting out content on YouTube somewhat weekly we're trying to get on a weekly YouTube schedule because our podcast is bi-weekly so having something to fill in the gaps you can follow me on Twitter at nerdiestnick I'd literally just tweet about anything that I like it's so random it literally is I never get mad when I see your tweet so it's a good thing I'm gonna talk about cars too and then 30 seconds later be like yeah I'm canceling Disney Plus or hey look at this thing I bought from my camera or like look at this right before the new season of Loki damn it they'll be canceling it all kinds of weird stuff there and you can listen to the nerdiest podcast really anywhere that you can listen to a podcast awesome so what I got going on I'm gonna be taking maybe a little bit of a deeper dive into this Metroid Prime 4 story so that'll come out tomorrow we'll talk about some different angles and I mean there's Nintendo stuff every day so yeah, Andres restart and apparently I'm going to Columbia in a few weeks but that's not relevant at all I just felt like I should say something else that's alright I might be like hey if you notice there's a little difference of content or something going on yeah I have to figure out how I'm making content out of the country yeah I don't know what I'm gonna do yeah I'm trying to plan ahead for that stuff yeah I have video ideas that I could put out but if there's news I don't know I'm debated maybe like buying like a MacBook Pro or something yeah but I still have to work during vacation when I go on I have a 9 day cruise next year and if I don't have a MacBook Pro or something I might rent one because I'm still gonna I've learned last year when I went on my first vacation in like a decade that you I don't know why this event happened I realized I can't plan enough content it's just you're coming with and I'm just gonna work on vacation it is what it is but what I will do is make sure that I am only working for like an hour or two and that's it none of my 14 hour days that I normally put it because I need to actually enjoy my vacation but but I am prepared live Nintendo direct reaction from the cruise I did the live Xenoblade direct from the cruise ship I had to upgrade my internet package and everything to make sure I could live stream and then when you upgrade it you also have to pay for the days that already passed because it's just for the whole cruise that's dedication it was like an extra 200 bucks just so I could stream that so I'm just gonna buy the top package ahead of time just gonna plan for something to happen if nothing happens oh well this cruise is already the second most expensive thing I've ever done in my life when's your cruise June 21st oh it's really soon next year it's not that soon it's gonna be this year so soon it already happened so I paid it off it's a very expensive but again one thing I like is it's just like it's a layaway you can just pay it off some every month pay some here and pay some there they don't yell at you about the money until like a month out from the cruise hey buddy you're gonna pay my issue with buying a MacBook is that not only is it expensive and I feel like finding ways to charge me stuff like now I have to pay money to Twitter just to send messages to people it's crazy I actually technically paid for Twitter blue right before the podcast which I hate that I did but I can't even reach out to other people maybe you and I chat too much well no no no I get that but I can't you can no longer message people that don't follow you so if you ever wanted to reach somebody to follow that has open DMs and you can't open DMs I mean nothing anymore I remember actually it can but what they paid for Twitter blue there is a setting on the back end what happened is they they updated it and they enabled it to be only Twitter blue people can message you but if you go on the back end the person who has their DMs open you can actually select a setting that anyone can get a hold of you not just people in Twitter blue but the problem is they didn't tell anyone every day I use Twitter nobody has it on there is another pay wall limitation at first I thought it was I can only DM one person so many times in a day it's Elon trying to make his money back that's what it was because you and I were talking about an idea and then I couldn't DM yeah I'm lucky that we could text each other but yeah we can't do that with everyone else no not everyone yeah and what if you get cut off halfway through look just because I can put you and some bro in a group chat doesn't mean I can do that with everyone yeah right so like I DMed someone else it was Brandon and it worked I was still able to DM other people but then the next day it's no one once I hit the limits I paid for it for the other features before they started taking stuff away so like being able to edit my tweets my tweets actually now get more views which means I'm now getting more views off Twitter on my videos is this a significant amount of views that really matters if I was smaller it probably would but like am I size does it pay for the difference in ad revenue over the course of a year I don't know maybe because it's not that expensive and there's always the thought that if the Twitter my Twitter has also grown since I've gotten more followers I'm like you know there's also this thing where if I somehow get 5 million views a month Twitter will just pay for itself because now they share ad revenue 5 million views of your tweets and that sounds crazy but I already get like 2 million a month and that's the little impressions that's not even like views views just the impressions on your tweet you just have to hit one tweet and you're good it's basically an encouragement to be more active I really hate that as a feature because now I just get a lot of those really cringy like Facebook memes that are not great and I don't follow those people I don't follow them they just stick to the following tab stick to the following tab to get the 4u I know they default the 4u I ignore that entirely I immediately go to following I'm not looking at what Twitter is suggesting I avoid politics what do you think is filled in the 4u tab I muted all those words all politics all the time I'm like nope following tab that's all I need I've never looked at the 4u following tab the following tab is just the people you follow they haven't done anything shady with that yet it is literally just who you follow you're behind the paywall next week I mean there are ads Twitter blue cuts to ads in half I don't even notice the ads that much and you notice them a lot more when I wasn't on twitter blue the thing about 4u is that you still see things that are trending you might see things from people you don't follow but if I want to look at trending stuff I'll just go to search and just look for specific trending topics I want to tap on because there are times I do want to see trending like say Nintendo Switch 2 is trending and I'm not seeing anything in my feed then I want to tap on that just see what the top tweets are and see what's going on I got it because I want to edit tweets and because people got tired of me having like you know those threads of tweets where it's like 20 tweets in a row trying to say something you got character limits well when you pay for twitter blue you can just do it all in one tweet can I look up can I look up how many views my twitter has I'm now just curious there's an analytics tab or whatever I'm looking at it so my tweet impressions is no work close yeah it's probably not new work close I don't tweet that much I have 59,000 I always have something random that goes viral rookie numbers I can't remember what my last viral tweet was but it was something stupid it was like DLC tears of the kingdom is such DLC suck it 18.5 mil next thing you know here's 5,000 likes and a million and a half impressions and I'm like cool all you gotta do is participate suck it and apparently you just get a lot of views I don't get it I shouldn't be surprised it's social media you play to the hate game and people like your stuff alright so yeah you can find Andres Restart on youtube at Andres Restart he does have probably something metroid that deep dive he talked about dropping tomorrow so that'll be fun he's a podcast every Monday as well check that out I heard his views every single Monday go watch him if you don't watch my normal live streams go watch his podcast cause let me tell you we were at 200 plus here I don't get 200 plus on my normal live stream so there's some of you that only watch the podcast so go tune in to his podcast and get double podcasts come on double podcast and sometimes Nate is there yeah occasionally I do show up once in a while and then we scream at each other it used to remember we used to have those that was a while ago we both were just like hammering it up cause we would just like take opposite sides of each other just to I don't even know was it entertainment I don't even know what we were doing but we were very passionate about those disagreements and then people were like man you guys hate each other we were like what no no we never hated each other we were just incapable of having different opinions and they would talk about it like grown men yeah we matured we matured a bit since then and now we usually just end with one of us saying you're wrong anyways moving on in 10 talk how's it going buddy what do you got well come a lot you got streams coming yep yeah you can follow me everywhere in 10 talk you'll probably catch me streaming Animal Crossing and stuff I am going to be doing a preview of the upcoming Harvest movie I'm getting early look at that it looks promising but hey you're the big boy in there 170k over there congrats we'll be creeping to 200 it's going to be nice that's the goal for the this year but we'll see good luck then we get to our bona fide twitch streamer flam that's not the way he pronounces it that's the way I pronounce it it is what it is I know you told me it was fine and then you say it yourself and I'm like I'm totally just not saying it the way it's supposed to be said well other people say it flam too so it's okay we're American FVL doesn't really go together yeah I know but it stands out definitely unique I got no problem finding you on social media speaking to that where can people find you and what are you got going on yeah so um yeah I'm flam variety Nintendo streamer twitch that's mostly my wheelhouse do lots of game shows as well tomorrow I recommend following my twitch FVL I'm going to do I'm doing a Pikmin stream but I'm doing an AMA and if I if you ask me a question I don't want to answer I gotta eat one of these bad boys it's like the hot chip challenge basically um so I'm doing that and then this week is more chill like we're not doing anything super event heavy but then the rest of the month is like a lot of events so we have the Mario return of the Mario Party tour so doing the Mario Party tour a bunch of the streamers that we have I have a new game show coming up it's called just in case and it's a combination of deal or no deal and we'll call it white elephant basically it's like a battle royale deal or no deal people do gaming challenges and they are trying to get the best briefcase and with the most amount of money and it's going to be really fun I'm really excited I have a cast I have a little bit of a cast going up and that should be sometime at the end of this month so if that sounds interesting to you check out twitch.tv I won't plug my podcast this time because I plug all the time that's all right we got to link to his twitch in the chat and down in the description too also I might be going to I might be going to the Nintendo live it all looks me up I'll hit you both up for some exclusive coverage since I might be going to California already next month at a different time I don't know if I can afford to do two trips but we'll see we'll see I got a friend's wedding to go to all right well that's gonna do it guys thank you so much for joining episode 32 of the Nintendo Prime podcast we'll be back again same time next week 8 p.m. Central every Wednesday it is live streamed to listen to audio version and you want to catch it live check out the Nintendo Prime YouTube channel if the few of you didn't know we were a YouTube channel well we are but thank you for so much for finding the podcast randomly on iTunes or Spotify and it's actually surprisingly almost none of my audio listeners actually know we're a podcast channel or YouTube channel or both I don't know I entered a new universe this podcast is going on forever you can follow Nintendo Prime everywhere just type Nintendo Prime literally just google it anything that pops up is probably me so have a good time everyone catch you next week bye wow