 It's still plus politics. Now, we take you to a conversation we had yesterday, of course, about the PDP, I beg your pardon, giving the former president of Lusie Agunga-Basanjo an ultimatum to withdraw or clarify his statement concerning their presidential flag wearer at Tikua-Bubaka. Take a listen, and when we come back, we'll be saying our goodbyes. Unless former president of Lusie Agunga-Basanjo clarifies the comment he allegedly made that picking former vice president at Tikua-Bubaka as running mate in 1999 was a mistake, the People's Democratic Party has threatened to break the egg and tell the whole world and Nigerians who Abasanjo is in 48 hours. The media was awash on Monday with former president Lusie Agunga-Basanjo his quote to have said that he made a mistake while selecting Alhaji at Tikua-Bubaka as his vice president in 1999. However, chairman of the People's Democratic Party Board of Trustees, Senator Walid Gibrin said that if the former president failed to clarify the statement in 48 hours, the party will be left with no option but to expose Abasanjo to tell Nigerians who he really is. Now, Senator Gibrin who spoke to journalists explained that the PDP was high in regards and respect for the former president but it will be very disappointing if the statement credited to him is true. Well, joining us to discuss this are Biodon Choumi, a political analyst and Bola Oba who is also a political commentator. Thank you so much gentlemen for joining us. It's my pleasure. Great. It's a very interesting conversation that we have here. After that Mr. Oba, we have seen the former president Lusie Agunga-Basanjo speak and comment on several issues, especially personalities. I mean, we can even make reference to his very famous book, My Watch and some of the statements that he has made about people and his open letters, he's known also for his open letters but in the thick of the campaign season he talks about the former vice president being a mistake on his part in 1999 and what would wonder, why would he be making such a statement? Is it just one of those political statements that are made at times like this or could there be more to this? I wonder why anybody in the leadership of PDP would want to grace former president Lusie Agunga-Basanjo with the honor he does not deserve. The committing political activity in the political society if they want to engage with Lusie Agunga-Basanjo and anything that we give, that we give him relevance especially for the mistake that he has set up today. They should just leave him on his own and let him do whatever he likes because at some point, at some point the public will see as a nuisance that is just there but if they want to engage him as they have nothing to do they will be the worst for him. There are those who would be very... Not so much that I love them, not so much that I remember of the party but it would be a strategic PR error to engage Lusie Agunga-Basanjo in any form of embryo, especially on remarks and opinions that he has codified in... I wonder why they want to engage him in this... There are those who would not like the idea of you speaking of the former president in that regard calling him mischievous or saying that he does not necessarily have relevance or should not give relevance to what he has to say. This is an elder statement. This is somebody who many politicians hold in high regard. They still cut the message to him. This is for Artigo and now four years after he remembers again after the villainy that himself, that he had done Artigo at the penultimate electionary cycle four years ago he supposedly forgave him and campaigned for him and suddenly now Artigo is a villain again. So he wanted to sell us a villain four years ago if you engage such a man and don't let him again just reason the fact that this is a man who could be very inconsistent because of the mischief that I've seen, you will be giving him relevance. Okay. Mr. Shoomiya, I'd like to bring you in on this. Many have reacted to the former president's remarks. Many have wished it away as a mere political statement but then, like I said at the beginning, he's known for many of his open letters. We saw the many that he wrote under the president's administration. We have also seen his books and all of the information that's within. Why do you think that former president, Mr. Shoomiya, so hung up on his vice president and just to borrow some things that Mr. Abad just said that why would he want to mar the campaign of someone who also works with him and campaigned for him then all of a sudden he's become a bad person. Don't people change and doesn't he reserve the right to make his assertions? Honestly speaking, to be fair to the former president, this was not all the core remark. He made the remark at an award, leadership award event in Abeikuta in his presidential library. And he didn't speak particularly on former vice president's article. It was, I don't think he was a target. I'm not a spokesperson but I read the whole debate clearly. He spoke within the context of trying to share his leadership experience. And within that context he highlighted the good and also the errors he made. One of the errors which according to him was nominating article. He did not go into details. He highlighted also his regret over his refusal to eat the warning given by the then American ambassador, I think it was Campbell, Ambassador Campbell, that he should leave the country or he should move into American embassy and be granted asylum. That the decision has been granted. That Abad would arrest him. He should move in to get asylum. He regretted not doing that and he said he refused but eventually was arrested. He said he could have lost his life and not been alive. So he was making reference to errors of judgment on his own part. It was not a targeted attack on a ticket or any other person. That is the main idea. But in terms of the reactions of PDP to it, I understand this is the political people. So they're likely going to be very sensitive to it. I'm not a category member of any political party. So they will be very, very sensitive to such remarks. I don't think Abad Sojo intended to reopen the whole rooms when he actually came out against Attifu. I think this was just something out of his own leadership experience. It would be wise for the PDP leadership now to go into any triangle with them because what would they gain? Abad Sojo is not contestant. And as far as I know, he doesn't have a boss in this state. So if he doesn't have a boss in the race, why do you want to drag him in and then bring out what Abad Sojo, which it can be bestial when it comes to doing damage in this kind of situation? Just to push you forward. If the PDP is giving an ultimatum, which is a two-day ultimatum and saying that they will break the egg, what can they possibly have on the former president that would probably, in their words, break the egg? And what does this do to their campaign, to the people who they're trying to get across to? Again, like you said, the former president is not running for any office so he probably has nothing to lose. But in terms of Attifu Abubaka and what the vice president or the former president has been saying, should we be paying attention to the former president being that he has also made statements previously about certain people in government that has one way or the other may not necessarily come out plainly to say this is who this person is but he has warned and we have seen that some of those things have somewhat played out. Should Nigerians be wary of this statement by the former president? Yes. You see, what can the PDP leadership, what can they do to a man that, you know, not his membership card, you know, left the party? They didn't, they weren't going to him. The man has been saying, we saw it all. The man kept staying in his Abe Kuta board but we've seen the troops of PDP leader, past officials, all of them trooping to his house, either for an advice, for one thing or the other. It shows even outside the political party, an outside government, Opus Jo is still very, very relevant within the politics of PDP because he actually midwife many of the leadership, you know, those who are claiming he wants to deal with it, many of them are actually his followers. Now, when you go back and look at... Mr. Xiaomi, are you still there? I think we lost that connection. Oh, it's the idea of the talk. That's the only thing they can talk about. Every other thing is known. Is the world better? All right, I think we lost that connection there. Let me go back to... Let me go back to Mr. Abba. Mr. Xiaomi, I'm sorry. We're having connection issues with you and your audio keeps going in and out so we'll try to fix that and come back to you. But Mr. Abba, the PDP is alleging that the grouse between the former president and his vice is the fact that he refused to support his third-term agenda. Something that a lot of Nigerians said would never had sailed through even though they tried. But was that down to his vice-president? And is this an issue we should still be debating in 2022? Look, I'll go back to the point I made earlier. And that is it does not do the PDP leadership and the PDP presidential candidate any good to aside the madness that they are beckoning at this juncture. For a man who has suffered what can they throw at a passenger that can be worse than some of the things that have been alleged against him some of which I cannot even mention here even when they've been virtually alleged against him. What can be worse than that? And every time they engage in a form of PR with him, they will be getting dead here. Why would they want to do that? I think it's incumbent on candidate Atiku to call whoever wants to be his spokesperson or wants to fight his corner to tell that person to chill and walk away from this fight. This is the fight that one must learn to walk away from because you want to talk about thought time. Everybody in Nigeria who is a political observer knows that a passenger was the one power in thought time and he has consistently denied it. The book my watch some have labeled the book my lies. Did you have you? Does anybody watching this program now remember Professor Waleishon Yinka's opinion about the book? And apart from Professor Waleishon Yinka does an average Nigerian political watcher not know that a passenger was behind in Otena in Angestan and yet he has consistently denied it. When all the facts point to him nobody is saying Atiku is the same but in so much as the PDB has chosen him as their candidate on this occasion they have enough to manage with these quabbles that is ensuing as a result of Atiku choosing a vice presidential nominee. They have that to manage because there seems to be a tendency for a form of nationalisation to develop in the party. Why would they want to bring a passenger into the mess? And this is somebody who does not even like PDB giving these free advice. I wonder what they want to gain. Well unfortunately our time is up I want to say thank you gentlemen for being part of this conversation we appreciate your thoughts. Thank you very much for the opportunity. And that's the show tonight we want to thank you for being part of the conversation we will be back tomorrow same time 7pm as we talk on all the big political stories across the country. I am Mary Anna Cohen have a good evening.