 Welcome to all things LGBTQ Plus Youth Edition. Today is August 19th, I think. My name is Jules Cazerta, I use she, her pronouns. Over here is. I'm Naven, I use he, him pronouns. And today we're gonna be talking about body image. A real fun topic for all the teens out there. For all doing great when it comes to body image. 10 out of 10. So let's dive right into that. Recently there has been sort of this wave of a body positive movement. I think recently, it's been happening since I've been alive. I assume, right? Yeah, there's been a wave of this body positive movement which has been great. And it's all about like accepting your body and it's fun stuff. But we're gonna be talking a little bit about our experiences in like what it's like in high school nowadays, what it's like kind of in that teen mindset. Cause we're complicated creatures, aren't we, Naven? Yeah. Very complicated creatures. I think I've only said yeah so far. Yeah, that's all you've said. So complicated. Just sit there and say yeah. Yeah. That's all I need you to do. Okay. Anyways. Okay, so let's delve into that and kind of our experiences. Have you felt any sort of pressures from other people ever? Ever in your entire life. As far as body image goes, I don't, I've never like had, I don't think anyone's like tried to pressure me before but I've definitely felt pressures. Like I'm not a very athletic person. And I just am not the strongest even though I'm like skinny as hell. I'm not that skinny. But I'm kinda skinny. You gotta push up the flap to give the muscles. That's what I do. Yeah. I'm pretty skinny. And like, I've never been a very strong person and I've- I'm just like have therapy right now, let's go. I don't know. I'm a certified therapist. I've always like felt kind of bad that like I'm not very strong. Like I don't like work out regularly or if ever. Gym and high school is gonna be fun next year. She was the worst class ever. It's not like, it's not even like building muscle. It's like run constantly. Don't stop. Just keep running. And then be so close to it. And don't hug your friends. For the rest of the day. Oh God, so nasty. Cause we don't have like, we don't have lockers or like showers really at our school. And that's not even a topic. But like, it's gross. I think similar to what you were saying a little bit. The pressures, like I've never actually felt them kind of from other people. I've generally only felt them for myself. Like I make up these pressures in my brain. Like you have to like be slim or you gotta get that, you know, hourglass. And I think we're gonna have very different body image things here just based on who we are. I mean like, since I'm like trans, it's a whole. It's a whole other thing. It's a whole other thing. Yeah, it's like not even, I'm not trying to say it's like better or worse. It's just like, it's weird. It's different. Yeah. Are you putting your feet up on the table? There they are. There they are. Legs. Yeah, so. You're welcome. Like I've never like, obviously like I remember at high school there's not like, it's not like the movies where it's like all that sort of shaming and like these tall, slim girls who like walk in packs of three. Like it's not that, but I always like kind of made it up in a sense. Like for myself, like I was the one putting the pressure on me. And then you touch this little bit with like sort of being a trans guy. There's a whole other like, there's dysphoria and then there's all body image. So it's like separating the two and what's that like? Just like, tell me a little bit if you're comfortable. Sure. I'll try. As a trans person, it's weird, I guess, because I have like pressures that are generally associated with my birth sex. I was assigned female at birth, but I'm a trans guy. So I am a boy, but I was assigned female. Y'all know how that works. We have this topic already. Go check that out. And so I've got, I have had pressures. So you kind of felt both. Yeah, I felt both pressures, but it was also like, this might not be the most clear explanation because I'm trying. Yeah, I'm trying. So it's like when I was younger and I thought I was a girl, I like didn't really fit in with girls. Makes sense. Yeah, I was a jerk, which isn't related to body image, but sort of is related. But I would be like, oh, I don't, I'm not like other girls. Oof. Yeah, I did that too. I went through that phase. So I'd be like, I'm not like other girls. And I try to like, I don't know if I'm explaining this very well, but basically I, when I thought I was a girl, I would feel pressures from like, you know, pressures to like look pretty, be a girl long hair, I'd show her hair for a very long time. And then also, That's kind of hair. Hell yeah. And also, I would, even when I was younger, before I knew I was trans, I would feel pressures to like look masculine and like have a more masculine body, sort of, if that makes sense. And like, again, no one was putting those pressures on me, but it's just like, I saw like standards for men, standards for boys, and I put them on myself because I am... Yeah. Boy. I am boy. Yes. And then like, this is kind of it, obviously I'm not like trans, but you're talking about a little bit like, the pressures of being masculine. And like, even I felt that as a woman, like I present, I can present kind of more masculine. That sounds like I'm a butch, occasionally day to day. Yeah. And then like, once you kind of like get into that, people will see you wearing a dress and they're like, what the hell? Like, who are you now? And I'm like, I can wear both and I can look fantastic in both. I have, I mean, yes you do. Thank you. Yeah. I don't have 10. I have about 10. I have a sort of comment about that is like, before I knew I was a boy and before I transitioned, I was like very, against doing anything feminine, especially like, I was sort of feminine when I was like five and six, but like when I got older, like, I don't get how toddlers can be like feminine in their masculine, cause I'm like, how I got a lot of things. Yeah. But anyway, like as soon as I turned like seven or eight in that stretch of time till I was about 13, I was like very against doing, like wearing any feminine clothing. That's, that was my whole, I'm not like other girls phase. Now I'm not. All those years. They were like, oh God. Flashback. Oh God. And like, but now that I've transitioned, I'm more, I'm actually comfortable doing feminine things. Like I'm wearing makeup right now. Yeah. 10 makeup skills. Hi folks. Hi. I didn't have eyeliner or mascara. So I was wearing, or I was wearing blush and highlighter. On your eyes? Yeah. Scale. Thank you. That's good. Thank you. You're welcome. But, and it was just like, I wanna figure out that I was a boy, but also like an androgynous sort of boy was really freeing for me. And it sort of took a lot of pressures off of like, having to be masculine or having to be feminine I guess. Yeah. Yeah, no. And like, I've noticed that based on like you just cause we obviously were friends outside of it. But like I've just noticed that and it's 10 out of 10. Love it. Thank you. Yeah, but I feel like a lot of the times with sort of like, because again I can only speak from like a female's perspective, once you kind of like slightly shift like a box, like once you even like show a remote interest, people are like shocked when you can also be like, oh, I also am like kind of like wearing makeup and like I like, you know, kind of showing off my body. Yeah. And like people are like, wait, what the hell? And I'm like, just cause I wear like baggy t-shirts on days does not mean I'm completely insecure or like I can't ever express that sort of femininity. Yeah. And the topic isn't about masculine feminine, but we're going there. Yeah, we're going there. Yeah, let's do it. It's sort of related. It's definitely related. Especially between our two experiences. Yeah. Also, I remember that the last week of school like retake week where there was not a ton of kids in the school. Freshman year? Yeah, freshman year. And there was like, I was just hanging out with my friends mostly cause I had a lot of free time and I was hanging out in the art room a lot and I found these like dresses that were pretty nice. Like one of them was like, it doesn't matter, but basically like I was just like putting them on and I was like having fun and stuff. And I was also wearing a crop top that day and it was like a whole thing. Boys in crop tops are so cute. I'm sorry. My bisexuality is coming out. And I remember it was just like a really fun day and I just like got to like wear these dresses and I have them. Like I have them at my house and I went to do a Latin retake just like in a dress. It was fun. I bet our Latin teacher loved it. Yeah, like he was just like. Subnamen. Hey, yeah, he didn't. I love the no reaction. Like those are my favorite things. Like when you're wearing something like slightly different, obviously it's a little bit different for the two of us. But like when I'm wearing something that I normally wouldn't wear, I just love not having any comments. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, I can do this every day. Yeah. And like also slightly really, then we can get back to the topics. Cause we're getting too far off track. Is that like I, for the fourth of July parade, I. Yeah, I was there. That's cute. I loved it. It was a great moment. Thank you. I was like wearing like a full face of makeup, like really intense and a dress. And I, and like I felt like it was easier to just say, like, oh, I'm in drag, but it was really just like, I just wanted to wear a dress. Like this doesn't make me any less of a boy and I just, I just wanted to wear a dress. And I. Protect feminine voice. And I looked, and I looked cute. Yes. Thank you. I love that confidence. Yeah. So I have a list here. If y'all can't tell by me tapping my phone or if you can see it, I do have a list. Next thing on my list, I think we've kind of a tiny bit touched on is improving your body image. And like one of those things for me is like makeup. Like that makes me feel 10 times more confident. And people will always like get on my case about that. Whenever I say, oh, like try makeup and make me feel more confident. They're like, why don't we don't promote makeup to girls? And I'm like, it's literally marketed. Like that's what, that's what you're, it's like it, anyways. Yeah. Improving your body image. One thing that helps with me is like makeup or like wearing or like revealing things. Yeah. For me, like makeup, like as far as makeup goes, like I'm wearing something like really toned down but this usually isn't what I wear. You've got the glitter on your eyes, it's nice. Ow. Like I'll usually wear something like really intense. It's like between like- Full face of drag or nothing. Yeah, it's like between full face of drag and like what like your average woman who wears makeup wears on a daily basis. It's like I don't go like the nine yards of like flattening out my eyebrows and like drawing them all high. Like the Elmer's Boost. Yeah. I don't go that far but I- You could. I probably could. You could rock it. I don't wanna peel glue off my eyebrows. It doesn't look like, anyways. Yeah. But it's just like doing something kind of like wacky, crazy and just like unexpected. It's kind of liberating, right? Yeah. It's kind of like screw it. I'm gonna put right purple on my eyelids because that's what I wanna do today. Yeah. And like it's obviously not the same for everyone but that's how it works for us. Yeah, at least for me. Or like speaking from like a kind of like more insecure like points like, you know, you kind of put on a character that's like confident. Obviously like that's what I do at least. And then like for someone who is more insecure, like kind of building that up is really difficult because like I started out like the absolute minimum. Like I was like, eh, like I can survive looking like this but like I won't be happy about it. I'm like building that up took years and years and years and years. And like I'm still not quite there because a lot of it is just kind of like faking it till you make it, you know? Like you put on that confidence and eventually it becomes like second nature to you. Yeah. But from that kind of insecure standpoint, like what do you do to like, do you do anything? Cause I know I do. For me. What tips do you have for someone who's trying to like get more positive around their body? Does that make sense? Is that a question? Yeah, I know what you mean. Thank you. Yeah, so one thing that I've seen people say a lot is like just appreciating the parts of your body just like in general. Like what are those for you? Yeah. This is mostly, this is actually a tip for coping with dysphoria. So, hi guys. Coming at you with those dysphoria tips. Yeah. So one thing I've heard a lot is just for example like trans guys sometimes have like smaller hands and they're like small and feminine. And one thing I've seen is like people like being like just like appreciate what your hands do for you. And one of my favorites is like all the like cute animals they've touched and pet. That's so cute. I know. Oh my God. Yeah. And like my hands are kind of, I have. You have fairly large hands. I have fairly large hands. So that hasn't been an issue for me. But I don't know. It's just like appreciating the parts of your body that just appreciating what they do for you. Not because of how they look, because of what they're like they're keeping you going. Yeah. Like what their function is. And I think that's personally helped me a lot. I also go to, I also have a therapist who I- Shout out. They've been therapists. We have the same therapist. Hell yeah. Love her. But I do, that's like if you do have issues with body image and stuff it definitely helps to talk to a therapist. And like body image tips can only help you so much. Yeah. So like, yeah, but those are some, that's one thing that's helped me a lot. I think for me, like this is gonna sound a little weird. I don't know what the hell you're talking about, Jules. But like stick with it, I promise. After you shower, just like get in front of a mirror and just be like okay this is what I look like. Like just kind of like look at it. And be like okay that's mine. Like it's mine and I'm never getting out of it. Like I'm, this is like I'm not gonna wake up one day at someone else's body. Like I'm not gonna wake up and have the body that I want. Like this is how I am forever. Like obviously you can change it to a certain extent but just kind of like looking at it and being like okay that's me. Like that's what I get. That's the cards I've been dealt. It's awesome. And just kind of spending time with you as you. Yeah and I feel like you're just doing like body dysmorphia and I'm doing gender dysphoria because I have something that connects to that to help with dysphoria. Is that body dysmorphia? Or I don't know. Just like body image and you're kind of like well because you have dysphoria I don't. So I mean that does help me cope with the fact that like I'm at the very start of my medical transition. And like. That probably wouldn't help a trans guy. Yeah so. I just realized that it wouldn't really help. So it's like while I don't like stand book ass naked in front of the mirror. I don't wait no I don't do that. I know I'm kidding. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm blushing it. That's not what I was assuming. That was a joke. You're wearing undergarments. Okay. Continue. Yeah. Or I would. Yeah. Continue. For me it's like continue. For me it's like also just like sort of part dysphoria can mean you feel disconnected from your body which is something I've experienced and it's like really weird and surreal. And it's just like trying to ground yourself and be like okay this is the body. Do you do that body scan thing? Yeah. Shout out to our therapist. Love you. She taught me that too and like I don't have dysphoria but I do like I'm always to cope with kind of my body image issues. I would just completely separate. I'd be like my brain and like my mind. Something completely different. It's not part of this. And like essentially what you do in a body scan is you just sit and you like will go through all the different parts of your body and be like okay what do my feet feel like? Like what am I? And you slowly move up. And then at the end you just feel it all at once and it like kind of puts you back in your body. And like I do the same thing. Like not forwards, forwards because of how I am. Yeah. I just separate them and then like getting back in there. Yeah. And like grounding yourself. Yeah so like for me it might be like I don't know I'll just like be wearing shorts and like a binder and like be like okay I'm gonna be able to like change this. There are parts of my body that I will be able to medically change but for now. This is what I have. Yeah this is what I have. It's working for me. And it's sort of like going back. It's working for you. It's sort of going back to that whole like appreciating what your body does for you. It's like I'll sort of do that. And be like okay like here's the parts of my body I like here's parts I don't like so much but here's what they do for me. And it's just like seeing it and seeing my face and like connecting everything. Yeah cause like I don't know but I don't know if this is just a mean thing but like when I disconnect my body from like my brain it's like my face goes with it and my body just kind of like disconnected. Floats. Yeah. Yeah I don't know. It's like I associate like my face and my brain together and my body just like. Well cause your brain's like in your face. Yeah. It's in your head and not your face. Yeah. But kind of like just being with your body too and like you obviously there's some things you can change medically or just by like eating different or working out and like there are things like that obviously but well you're also sitting with your like body and kind of doing that process. You're sitting like you kind of realize things that like you may not like but you literally cannot change. Like for example I have hip dips which are a huge thing especially with people like girls my age especially with women I've noticed is that hip dips are essentially I don't really have that hourglass shape I kind of curve and then my hips go in and then my thighs come out and it's like a little divot right at the hip dip. And you see constantly like oh exercises to change your hip dips or like people always like exercise will fix that and first of all that's just a blatant lot cause the more you exercise the more defined they'll get cause you'll be more toned. So don't listen to that. Second of all it's literally just how my pelvic bone is sitting like it's just genetic. Like my pelvic bone sits higher up than someone with that kind of like smooth sort of fit. Not some weird but like hip dips are kind of cute. Thank you. This whole episode is just us subtly flooding with each other. Anyways that's like one thing that you kind of notice when you're sitting there and obviously there again there are things you can change but like that kind of dip or having a little bit more punch here it's caught all women have it. All so cute. I'm sorry. All women have it to literally to protect your uterus. Like you cannot change that. Like there's a flat stomach is achievable but like you're not gonna put them into work into getting a flat stomach when this is like natural. It's also like something I've learned from doing research about hormone treatments and. I'm not on my phone I'm getting a whisk back up. Something I'm learning about hormone replacement therapy which is what trans people go on is that like people who are assigned female at birth and who produce estrogen like it's like very hard for them to build muscle compared to someone who's assigned male at birth and produces like or like more testosterone and more estrogen. Because obviously we have both. Which some people don't know what confirms me. And the thing I've learned is that like when trans guys are non-binary people who want to go on testosterone it's like it becomes way easier for them to build muscle and like not really lose weight but like. It's really hard for women to lose weight. Yeah. Especially when you're back from cycles like once a month you're gonna just feel disgusting and it's gonna be so hard for you to continue that kind of like weight loss that you've been on. So essentially here's my graph. Men lose weight like this. Women lose weight like this. It's fun. But basically my point is that. We're assigned women and men. Biologically female, biologically male. Y'all know what we're saying. Oh I thought you were pointing at the wall. Anyways. Yeah. So anyways but I don't know just what I've learned from researching hormone replacement therapies that like testosterone just makes it way easier for you to build muscle. Which also means that like people who are assigned female at birth. Like. Have a harder time. Have a harder time like losing belly fat or like building muscles. Is there to protect you? Yeah. Another thing that like everybody has but I feel like I see women being a lot more insecure about stretch marks. Cute as hell by the way. Stretch marks. Literally everyone has them. Like men, women, all of us. We're just here to tell everyone you're cute. Yeah. Literally that is the moral of this. It's like you're cute. You're welcome. But stretch marks. And again I have only really see women being more insecure about this. Cause like you know men hide there for you. Cause kind of the whole thing. Like men are insecure too. But they don't really talk about it. But women with stretch marks are just like really insecure and they're like creams and stuff that you can put on your stretch marks. And if you think about it, it's stupid. Cause everybody has stretch marks. Women cause like you start as a baby and you stretch to a four foot, five foot, six foot depending on how tall you get. Of course your body's gonna have some marks from that. Yeah. It's like like I don't know acting scars. Scars in general. Freckles. Freckles are so cute. Yeah I don't. Literally cause you're cute. Y'all are cute. Y'all have anything. Y'all are cute. Yeah. Bisexuals of just sitting here being like god damn it, everyone's cute. That does sound like every bisexual ever but y'all are cute. Anyways. We are so on topic today. Yeah. No. This is a perfect episode. Yeah. You're cute. It's just a fact. I thought it was a little bit men's body image and kind of how men aren't expected to ever really be insecure but like of course they are. Cause hi Naven. This is where you come into play cause obviously I'm a woman. In case you didn't know. So you want me to just go on? Just go on. Okay yeah so. That's what I've been here before. Yeah I can't remember, I can't remember any statistics obviously but um men um like also um men can like get like the eating disorders where it's like they um like obviously like bulimia and anorexia and. Bulimia and anorexia are the most common ones. Yeah they'll like obviously get eating disorders a lot and they'll also do this um they'll get this thing I can't remember what it's called but they'll basically like get so obsessed with being like being fit and like yeah. Exercise addiction is another form of eating disorders that people generally don't get diagnosed because they're like oh it's healthy I'm exercising so they treat themselves. Whereas with anorexia and bulimia a lot of the time people know what they're doing is wrong. Exercise addiction it's a lot harder to tell that you're actually hurting yourself. Yeah and it's like basically you just like exercise to the point where you're like unhealthy. Yeah and it's um. Is that more common in men? I think yeah I think so. Probably because it's like the ideal man is like fit and like huge and like those men that you see with those like huge ass like watermelons on their arms. They're cute but not my type. No no it's not my type. Aren't healthy. But the point is everyone's cute. Everyone's cute but they're not healthy. Yeah. Like those actors that you see that has like these six packs only look like that for like a day. And they're also like really greased up. They're greased up they're dehydrated they can feed like five raw eggs. Like to get that definition they aren't drinking anything. And it's so unhealthy. And then when like a picture leaks of this guy people are used to seeing with these like six packs when they're a picture leaks of them just like on a normal day when they're not filming everyone's like oh they were like dad bod. And I'm like that's not a dad bod. He still has abs. It's just protected by this layer of fat. That's what your body does. Yeah. It's protecting you. Yeah. I'm sorry that was a whole rant. I'm like it's not helping you guys. And we love you. You're all cute and we want you to stay here. And then like there's that where it's like they're so big and it's unhealthy and people are shaming them when they even remotely relax or stop flexing. And there's also like there is like obviously fat shaming because people talk about all the time and then skinny shaming which is a whole thing. Yeah. Like oh god skinny shaming is such a thing for me. Yeah before we go off topic. Before we go into that I just want to jump back to the men with eating disorders is that it's also like talked about a lot less partially because of men are supposed to be strong. No emotions. No emotions and also it's like. Y'all can't cry. Real men cry. I'm sorry. This is a topic anyways. But it's also like women's eating disorders like get a lot more attention. Like obviously that's fine. Like I'm not saying like one gender needs more attention than the other. It's just like women's eating like women's eating disorders are taking a lot more seriously. Yeah. And then like when men have eating disorders it's kind of like you you don't want to hear about that. Get over it like you're fine. You're fine. Like guys aren't allowed to be insecure. Yeah. Also with women I feel like people want us to be insecure which makes me so uncomfortable because like obviously this is marketed the media like oh you need to be this. And this is a bad thing you need to look like this but I've spoken to guys that are like oh when girls are insecure it's so cute. And I'm like just shut the hell up. Like that's weird and creepy stop it. Yikes. I hear I've heard that so much and it's bizarre to me. For who? We won't ask for that. What's your name? I just want to talk. I just want to talk to them. Name it as protective dad anyways. But like I hear that constantly and I'm like what the hell you want people to be this uncomfortable? Yeah and then it's also like when strong women are portrayed in the media it's like oh they're shrill. Bossy. Bossy yeah and it's like a lot of female politicians get called like shrill or something like oh their voices are so annoying oh they're so bossy I can't listen to them and it's just it's just sexism. Just shut up. It's just sexism stop talking. Yeah it's just sexism like oh god body image especially if it kind of comes out because obviously it's put on men a lot but I feel like in the media it's a lot more put on women like men it's kind of more like subtle like backhand. Yeah it's not talked about as much. Yeah but like in women it's like you just see that constantly. Like you go on a girl posts a picture on Instagram some celebrity you go into the comment section it's like oh. Yeah she shouldn't be wearing that. Her body doesn't look good in that. Yeah and then weird sexual comments. Oh yeah. Anyways we mentioned skinny shaming which is the thing that I can remind you about forever. People assume that when you're skinny which I'm not but anyone who is is not insecure. That they are perfectly comfortable in their body that they're happy the way they are or people take it to a whole other extreme and accuse people of having eating disorders because they're slim. First of all anyone can be insecure it doesn't matter their body like you can be bigger and perfectly happy with your body you could be small and insecure you can be big and insecure you can be all of it and insecure. Yeah. We're all insecure. And then on the other hand people are even having eating disorders it's like they could and like it comes from a place of concern. But like not really. But like kinda. Kinda but not really and also like it's toxic and harmful and it's just like don't ever really, don't make comments about someone's body whether they're skinny, whether they're big whether they're in between, don't comment on it. Like not only skinny people have eating disorders like I can't remember the name but like there's one where you just like binge and purge eat. That's bulimia. Bulimia right. Bulimia it's actually kind of interesting cause you actually tend to gain you know you're not losing weight when you do that cause like the calories are still going in and then you're like you're bloating up from the throwing up and like you think that it's helping you but it's not. Yeah but it's like any body type anyone can have an eating disorder. Just cause someone's bigger doesn't mean that they're eating disorders any less serious. Right yeah. Doesn't get it cause they don't look, you can't see their bones does not mean they aren't sick. Right yeah. Hmm. You know what else do I have to talk about? And then like also like confusing how you look with health like people assume that if you're on the bigger side you're unhealthy which could be true and obviously you want to stay healthy and at a certain point when you reach a certain weight where you're no longer able to like be healthy. Yeah. Cause like weight at every size. High weight and low weight. Yeah. Weight at every size and then people loved it like a health at every size isn't actually a possibility cause when you reach a certain size and you can hardly move you are not healthy and there's in that kind of body positive movement that we talked about at the beginning people are confusing body positivity and like health. Cause like you can love your body and like rock it but if you're unhealthy you kind of need to like take a step back and be like just cause I like my body and I'm comfortable in it. I might need to change a few things. And I segue. Segue into what? What was my segue? Into like toxic body positivity. Toxic body positivity. So just like every movement and there's a toxic side. Yay, we love it. Segue that I just talked about a little bit is health at every size is not possible. Like there is a point where you reach where it's no longer healthy for you to be that. Skinny or big. Either way like if you're 90 pounds and you're a 20 year old woman you're not healthy. Yeah. If you're like 90 pounds in my size you're not healthy. 90 pounds at any side you're probably not healthy and this is like a toddler. Toddlers are heavier than that anyways but y'all get the point. Y'all get the point if you're like 90 pounds probably not healthy if you're 500 pounds probably not healthy. Like there's a range where that's where health lives. Yeah. And it's not saying that like oh you're disgusting cause you're bigger it's just like you need to there are things that you need to work on to make sure you're living a good life. I've seen a lot of people like confuse toxic body positivity and just like normal body positivity. Like someone who might be on like the heavier side is like yay I love my body. And then like this is like on Instagram like they'll be in the caption like my body is great. Yeehaw feeling great today. Yeehaw. They all say that and then in the comments. In the comments you'll see like. You're promoting obesity how dare you. Yeah it's like all of that and it's like you don't know what this person's like dealing with and like they might be working on their way. You don't know it's none of your business and it's and like even if you think it's coming out of place of concern it's like you're a stranger on Instagram they probably. Not all people's bodies. Yeah you're proper like they're probably not gonna care and it's like sure you might be like looking out for them but also like why should they listen to you like it's like oh their doctors are telling them they're on a healthy weight their family's like you're on a healthy weight we're concerned but then it's like the one person on their Instagram post to comments I think you're overweight maybe get some help. It's like oh. That's gonna be the one that flips their whole life around. Exactly. They're gonna become a vegan. Yeah. And be insanely thin. I can write about vegans I won't though. But that yeah and it's like I don't know. It's just like you can be concerned about someone's health without like. Being a dick. Weird. Yeah being a dick. I don't know if I'm allowed to say that but I'm good. And then on the other hand it's like if I don't know how to phrase this there are people in the body positive movement on the toxic side that are sort of these like public figure heads of this movement who are promoting they who are actually promoting unhealthy sizes. Yeah. And that's where it really becomes an issue is like if anyone is in their comics being like maybe like maybe. No. Maybe like maybe it's not the best. Maybe because I saw this situation online where a girl was posting her weight transformation and she was posting her like weight loss pictures and she was like oh I feel great about my body. Like I don't I didn't need to lose weight but I did because it made me happier. Yeah. And this person who was a figure head of the body positive movement and then attacked that girl because she was like you're promoting being thin you're not body positive and it's like body positive should be for everyone. Yeah. And it's like as long as she's like in a healthy range of weight. It's health that's important. Yeah. It doesn't matter what you look like. Yeah. As long as she's like not dipping below like like too low it's fine. And another thing I've seen is do you know have you seen the show Queer Eye? Have I seen the show Queer Eye? Yes I've seen the show Queer Eye. So you know how so I'm just gonna if any of y'all at home have not seen it. Watch it. Watch it. It's a great show. I makes me cry sometimes. Like once but it's a really good show. And there's this one part of the show there's one guy on the show who helps out with fashion and one of the things he'll do is if someone has like a bigger body type or is just like a little larger he'll be like oh here's some clothes that like like especially if the person's talked about their insecurity earlier on the show and then like once they meet with this guy his name's Tan France. Once they meet with Tan. Love him. I love him too. He's great. Once they meet with him he'll be like so you've talked about how you're insecure about this part of your body so I've gotten some clothes that like don't draw attention to that and make you look a little slimmer. And I saw someone like. Oh would they be oh no. I saw someone attacking and be like Queer Eye is promoting fat phobic stuff. Oh my god that word. Yeah so they're like it's promoting fat phobia by making, by like assuming that people need slimming clothes and I was like. It's like no. Like Queer Eye is literally the purest show ever. And like wearing clothes that make you feel more confident is not fat phobic. Yeah. Again in a lot of toxic communities they'll throw out a lot of words that end in phobic. Yeah. All of them. Fat phobic is one of them and it's like I'm not because I'm promoting health. I'm not because I wear clothes that are tighter around the waist because they give me that kind of look that I want. Yeah and also. Don't want you to say? I forgot. Oh yeah another thing is that on Queer Eye they like not, there's five guys and like none of them ever are like you need to, like one guy's like you need to eat better but he's never like it's because you're fat. He's like you're. It's for health. Yeah it's for health and like they're never like fat shaming or anything and they're like you need to lose weight and like the only time they ever end up in a gym like working out is if the person before us specifically been like I want to work out more that's one of my goals, can you help me with that? Like they like never are fat shaming anyone in the entire show and for like someone to be like this is what's happening, listen to me. It's like really frustrating and it's like I've watched every episode of this show I've never seen that. Yeah people are very insecure and when they see something that could even be slightly kind of, you know, problematic. You know. You know, problematic they will jump on that and in any community that you see there are always gonna be those people who are really, really, really intense about it. And that's when it reaches toxic I could rant forever about communities and the internet and all of it because there's so much. And a lot of it spawns from the internet cause like no one can stop you from saying anything. Also like it spawns from the internet cause it kind of gives you this outlet like that person who was like getting on Tan's case would not like fly to wherever the hell he lives and be like, you're fat phobic. Yeah, it's like, not like she didn't like specifically call him out and be like he's fat phobic it was just like queer eye in general is fat phobic and I was like, no. It's like they're promoting health. Yeah. And like I can see that online it's like when anyone promotes health not even like being tiny it's for them promoting health they'll get like attacked and it's like, no. Yeah. Like drink a glass of water, take a nap and then come back and have a conversation. Yeah. Like we're gonna be chill. Yeah. We're gonna be calm. Gotta find my list. Yeah. Huh? I don't know. And I mean like the body positive movement has obviously done a lot of good but there's always a toxic part of it and we're just focusing on that right now. Body positive movement is so, so, so important to have that. Yeah. Like it's helped like so many people. It's helped so many people. It's helped me. Yeah. It's like, oh, body positive, body positive. Body positivity is so, so, so important. You should be able to feel comfortable into the body and you should see that represented. You should be able to see hip dips in the media, stretch marks, acne scars. It should all be there. Yeah. But in any community, there's gonna be someone. There's gonna be a collective bunch of people that just take it just too far, just a step too far. And it's like, really back. Or like a whole staircase too far. Or like a staircase too far. And then it's like, get down here. Like this is not what this was created for. Yeah. And yeah, I don't know. It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. Should we end this? Are we done? Do you have anything else on my list? We talked a little bit about improving your body image. I feel like we can go back on that to kind of like circle back around. And it positively, your body is like, it's great. Cause if you think about how complex human bodies are, all about it's doing constantly, keeping you alive, protecting you. That little fat around your stomach is there for a reason, it's protecting you. And it's cute. And it's cute, according to David. There's your validation, David, things you're cute. Love you guys. And like all these things that people are really insecure about that are just like, you know, they're there. There's no issue. Yeah. I'm guilty of all of this too. Yeah. Like of course I am. I'm sure you're guilty of anything you really talked about a little bit. Yeah, definitely. Cause it's like we're all insecure. But we're all cute. Yeah. We're all cute. That's how I think we should end this. Yeah. We're all cute. Yes, you're all cute. Cute. Your stretch marks are cute. Your chub is cute. Yeah. Your hip dip. These two bisexuals, being bisexual together, think you're cute. All right. Well, this has been all things LGBTQ. Let's take a feed off the table. Youth edition. Thank you so much. And we will see you next time.