 to the next of the room. Brandon, the first talk about display managers, he's sick with the flu, and I asked Alice to say something, have some talk, and he said to delight us with the KD's limb book. All yours. Oh, ours. Well, so yes, we didn't have, oh, how do we remove that? That is the question. Closed, solved. So, yes, Paul told us that there was some space to talk about things. We don't really have anything prepared, so we said, let's do a Q&A over the KD's limb book, which means we're here, but we also need the Q part, which would come from you. To make it a little bit less awkward, we can introduce the project a little bit. No? I don't know. It's a bit less awkward. So, I'm going to show you the device. You can open. Conkeys to leave, not included. It's a great laptop featuring a KD logo on top, merged in the limb book logo. It's a brilliant clone of a MacBook Air. Um, it has a keyboard with all of the letters and even some numbers. A sticker with a penguin. Not really know what it's coming from. Also, also it has a penguin on a, on a, on a key. See? Well, yeah. The penguin is actually a sticker on the previously penguin-less key, but we're working on it. So that was the first Q, you get five points there. There's no raffle though. So I would love to have a raffle, but that's not the case. Also, it has a touchpad. It has a full HD screen, Intel processors for all of us who like processors. And well, that's the idea. SSSD, hard disk. Well, solid. But what's the most relevant part about it? Well, well, well, well, building up. Okay. Harold will cut us the most relevant part. So the most relevant part is, this is running Plasma by default. Um, this device comes pre-shipped with KD Neon. So it always has the latest Plasma on it. And you can just start it up, set up your user, and you're good to go. So for us, it was interesting as as KD, like Harold and I have been working on, on KD together for really, really long time. And whenever people came to us and said, you're doing really great things. How do we use what you do? It was like, yeah, you go to store where they have laptops. These laptops will come with windows on it, describes that. And then you format your hard disk, you partition it because it's really important that you partition it. And then you install Linux on it. And then you install Plasma on it because, well, that's what actually what we do. And then you will have a device running the wonderful free software we make. But well, then a lot of people get lost in the, in, in, on the track. And well, now we will be able to tell people if you want to test what we do in KDE, just buy this device or go to the store and, well, do the whole process is, if that's what you liked. And, and that's perfectly fine as well. Well, now you have the opportunity, I said. You can make the questions and we will try to answer them. Would it be possible to run GNOME on it? Yes. Actually, the slim book people have been selling laptops with Linux for a while now. And they already had wide range of, of distros available. Of course, it won't be a GNOME slim book. I mean, you, it will be a normal slim book where you have installed Fedora or Ubuntu or whatever you want on it. And then you can just get this device and, well, format it or, or just do up, install GNOME desktop or something like that. I guess it will be in Ubuntu. It's, it, neon is based on Ubuntu after, after all. So, what? More, more serious question. As it copies the Apple design, don't you have to fear that people who are not into free and open source software would just see it as a, a cheap copy of a MacBook? We, we didn't work on the, on the design of the device. I think that the hardware business is really complex and KDE has tried to get into it in the past and got really burnt. So, for us, the important part is to be able to have devices to get into people hands. And that's the important part. So, I think there's, there's two points to this. First of all, for us as KDE, the device itself, the important bit is that it, that it works and that we have it, right? This is basically getting our foot into the door of getting into hardware. Ideally, we would have more devices, right? We have done mobile projects in the past for, for mobile phones. We've also done tablet projects. And one of the big problems is we, as the KDE community, we do not have the experience in dealing with hardware, right? By partnering up with companies, we get them to contribute to the hardware experience. We contribute the software experience and so we can build something, something better together, right? And the second point of view is, I think, yeah, there's clearly a point there. If it looks a lot like a MacBook, then, yeah, it does look like a cheap knockoff. On the other hand, I would argue that the MacBook is probably one of the better devices and the better looking devices. So, if you're doing a knockoff, at least do it of something really good. So, that's the way to look at it. The question is, if there's going to be a model with a discrete video card, the answer is no. I don't think we're even looking into that. So, no. Well, one of the things about the project is that if another manufacturer wanted to do a laptop with KDE, we could look into that, right? And if that manufacturer decided that they have a discrete graphics card, we could even consider it. But we haven't considered it both because we don't have another manufacturer and because we just are happy to have this one out at the moment. Also, personally, I don't really think it's something very important. Maybe it is. Any other questions? Well, it's perfect. On the last 10 years, I've been using Intel drivers and I've been super happy I mean, it could be better. But for normal desktop usage, compiling doesn't go all that faster when you're using a discrete graphics card. So, that's... I would say that it's fast enough to run Plasma. That was surprisingly fast. This is my little... Sure. Or I can leave it here if somebody wants to come. I don't know. Just don't bite on it. It would be weird. Where is the manufacturer? The Slimbook? Slimbook. The URL is slimbook.es. They are based in Valencia, Spain. Do you have any anecdotes we can talk about? Not really. What is the price? There are two main versions, one with Intel i5 which starts at 700 euros with 128 gigabytes of disk, then 4 gigabytes of RAM, then it scales up to 1100 something with i7 and half a terabyte of disk and 60 gigabytes of RAM. There's the possibility to get it with a couple of different components. I was thinking about keyboard layouts. Sorry. Different German friends and so on, which basically will be the same disposition, but with the keys differently arranged and components. Well, you can choose which Wi-Fi card you want. Not that it messes. Well, yeah. Both support Wi-Fi and well, no, that's not original one because that one doesn't have KD in it. Well, this is not an Apple thing, right? Yeah, the weird thing is for the Ethernet because they couldn't fit it. So I have the adapter there if you're curious. Yeah, there's a dango. No, no, no, it's not USB. It's their own weird thing. Actually, I think that you can purchase a hub kind of thing that you can use for also screen things and so on. I don't have it, so I can't really tell you. Sorry. Sorry. As I said, from 700. Can you share with the website? Yeah, let's open the website again. It's between 700 and 1,000 and something euro. Website, where we explain why we did it mostly. I will show you the gallery, but you have the device. So that's the minimum I said is high five. Oh, yeah, right. I forgot. And as I said, you have a bunch of things you can configure. It's a normal page. And of course, what in practice, how it works is that you actually make the purchase to SlimBook, not to KDE whatsoever. There is a small donation that will happen between SlimBook and KDE. Then we provided them with an ISO that will be installed on the devices. So what kind of warranty are you guys giving with the actual hardware? Well, it's not us guys who give the guarantee it's SlimBook, but then it's a normal European Union guarantee of two years, where you basically send them the device, they fix it and get it back to you. Sorry, what? What about the drivers that they open for making everything run? Yeah. So in theory, I mean, I haven't tested it, but in theory, if you use any Linux, it's just going to work because all the drivers are open. So there are no binary blobs. The Wi-Fi driver is Intel, graphics is Intel, touchpad definitely runs through PS mouse module, so nothing proprietary about it. Understandably. Understandably. Are there future production plans, new products? SlimBook does have plans for other devices. We haven't talked about any further partners, like extending the partnership to other devices. Now that we have the conversation going, it's something that could happen. It's not something we're pursuing just yet, but well, our focus at the moment is to get this one right. It's not like to say, and now we're going to do laptops forever because actually it's coming more from the frustration that we're doing the laptop more than we think that we should be doing laptop, right? If the market had been as good as we'd like, maybe we wouldn't have for it that much. Maybe we would, and it's the right thing to do, right? But in any case, we're not going to get rich with it either, so my treasure. Precious. Okay, sure. I don't know. Do you want me to repeat the question? You were doing some. What about this? The question was if the devices ship to America, right? Yeah, and there are more countries, right? And other countries where they have patents and software patents. I am not really aware of any device having been shipped there, and well, it's SlimBook's decision to send it there. I think that their policy is just, you buy it and we're going to ship it to you, and if it stops at the customs or anything, it's more your problem than theirs. But yeah, I don't really have all of the information. So do you think it would be a big problem to sell these devices in US? Okay, well, we'll be aware of it. Anyhow, any other question? Maybe we can leave it here. We will have a long break, and then I will start again. I think more of you. Yes, I'm sorry.