 Is there any public comment on items not on the agenda? Nobody seems to be there. Auditions or agenda? Boy, that agenda is like bottomless. Oh, I could have put more on. So I was wondering if you- You did raise this. It's like the scrolls, the scrolls of Denise. You unfurl them. Yes. I could have put more. Hear me, hear me, now come the agenda. Right, and it's like, is that it? Is that the agenda? Do I remember everything we had to do? Okay. Mr. Road Commissioner, how is the road- Oh, hey. With all the mud. I mean, some of these places, I know you guys have fixed three and four times, at least, maybe more. Yeah. Like the most common ones. Well, now we're into clay boils and- By the gray bar, I see you fixed that again. Yeah. Yeah, it's the shaded spots. It's the spots where all the dishes are full. While there's going to be either clay under there or there's- Scrains are just coming on the hillside. There's tons of water there. Right in front of my house, man, it's a swamp. I was going to hit with the grater, but I just didn't have a chance. So, everybody's tired, I'm sure. Yeah, but we're into new territory now. It's not plowing and sanding. Right, right. Well, at least it's different. The guys are excited about that. I bet. Something different, yeah. Did you take the plows off yet? The plows are not on the trucks, but they're not put away yet. Just in case. You can act with them. Yeah, well, I mean, it's not unheard of to get more snow. Yeah, that's true. In the end of April or the first of May. Oh, I don't even say that. I know, I wouldn't rather I didn't, but- Right. If it happens, we have to be ready. Right. So, you want to tell us about the broken frame? Yeah, I don't have a lot more information, but it's, it is broken and they have, they first throw you through me an estimate. Okay, tell us who's day is. Day is formula four. Uh-huh. It is not covered under warranty. It is, they're quoting me $14,000. To fix it? To, for a new frame, for brand new frame. That does not, I just found out today that does not include taking off the bottom frames, the wing tower, the body, they want the back body taken off, which we see, because they don't have the equipment to lift it and no matter whatever. So, that would be- 14 grand, it's not, nothing to that. It's a two pillar piece of iron, or a rip off. Is it one piece all the way through to the engines? Yeah. So they had to pull the engine. Does that include all that? Yeah, they'd have to pull the engine. That's included in the 14 grand, the engine flow. Well, I understand that they were gonna, they would change the frame out, how they do it, whatever I have known, but that's what they've quoted me so far. But there's a bunch of work that you would have to do at the shop before- Or take it to Fairfield, who put the truck together. HB Fairfield was the ones that built our trucks, their bodies, the plows and all that stuff on it. So that's, I haven't got that price yet, so I'm just guessing. I'm wondering what the frame itself would cost if we had someone else do it like Fairfield or some mechanic shop like that. Well, the problem is that there's a lot of stuff going on there. So I would want somebody that definitely knows forward and knows. Yeah, right, right. I'm not completely done with that, I'm still researching the possibility of fixing the frame. Right. I mean, there's welders out there that can put metal together and make it whole. That'd be better. So it would certainly be cheaper. But you, when we were chatting over on the road and we were fixing it, I thought that- Right, for me before the service guy on the floor called the DOT officer and said, is this legal? Can a frame be welded on a vehicle? And he said that they leave it up to the manufacturer. Right. The factor being forward motor company, right? Is it 14,000 or nothing? Are they gonna, I mean, forward motor company, are they gonna allow you to weld the frame? Or are they gonna say, no, we won't sell you the one? So there you go, you're stuck with that. But what's the value of- It was to say, I mean, so we could weld it, you're not gonna get like a certificate from Ford or if you had it, if they said they did approve the welder. The problem is inspection. They want to weld it past inspection with a welded frame, from a state inspection. Yeah. That's what I don't know. Where is it broken? It's front left frame round. It's right on that curve, on the curve. And I haven't seen it, it's been, I sent it down there for turbo issue and a leaky transmission can. And it came back with the system. So they came back, they called me and said, look, we found the frame was broken, and we wanted it. Is it rotten or just fatigued from that? It's just fatigued, it's just. So what's the value of the truck, the current condition, and what's the value of it if you get it fixed? That I would have to do some research. I mean, it's certainly a lot less with a broken frame. Right. And there's only, who's gonna buy it? I'm assuming a farmer or somebody that's inestimating somebody that doesn't care as much as much as. I mean, this is the truck that carries the stuff for the county road, the salt and that. It's the little one time, we use it a lot. In the summertime as well for, it pulls the chloride trailer, it pulls the rake, any little hand tool stuff that we do, little cleaning collars, that's the truck that goes. You can't really, even if you got this other turbo stuff fixed, you couldn't really run the truck with the broken frame, right? I'm not certain of that, I haven't seen it. I thought maybe if we did it like duty, didn't have the cloud, didn't have the wing, just, you know. Do you know if it cracked on a weld? Or it cracked again? Again, I haven't seen it, so I don't know. Well cracked, you didn't weld that, right? You know, that should be. My opinion, it can be welded. Yeah, I'm sure it can. I've done a lot of welding myself. You can make it better than new, right? You can double it up, you can plate it, you can weld plates on it, you can minimize it. The issue is state inspection. Will it pass state inspection being that it's a welded frame? And they're gonna look at that if they know that there was an issue. Certainly if it goes back to Ford for the sticker right there. Well, you don't go to Ford for the sticker. You can go anywhere up somewhere else. I just wanted to know, what year is this truck? It is a 2015 service for four years. Do we buy a new? You'll buy a brand new, you know. And it's not warranty, just like everything else. Right, it is not. That's right. Of course. The turbo is. The turbo is. Isn't that great? So, am I remembering correctly that we pay for trucks for five years? And then we hope to get two more years out of them? Most trucks, keep in mind, this is a one time, this is, it's a layer duty truck. It's a 550, right? It's not 550. So it should go more or it should go less? It should go less. Okay. Should be in service. That should be a five year truck. That would be great if we could get another year out of it. That we do, you know. But that makes the question, what are the payments for the final year? I don't know. 14,000 that we. Yes, and that's probably three hours by now. Lo and behold, it's a problem with Fords. Okay, so you're not, we've had that pretty good luck over the years. We've always had Fords for that particular route. The other one cracked too, do you remember? The other one rusted out. Not rusted out. Yeah. I'm looking at a frame crack. It looks like nuts in the back. So I am planning on doing more research on the whole welding and the fixing of it. Right. But I wanted to make you guys aware and kind of get your sense of how you want it to proceed. I mean, I think that we can probably get away with running it for the summer on light duty. Just be careful not to put heavy loads on it. That's without fixing it? Without fixing the frame. When's the inspection done? I think I just killed it in the spring. So I think most of the year, yes. What are the safety issues, though? If it's not gonna pass state inspection, that's because the state thinks it's not safe. Right. And if we know about the problem and there's potential it's not safe, I don't like that. It doesn't sign up well with me. So what do you think, Alfie, what happened? Well, it certainly opens us up to liability. Right, if something happens because the frame is broken, somebody gets injured or something happens, you know. And we knew about it. And we knew about it, that's not good. I mean, the killer is that it's a year from how to trade it, similar situation that we were in with the 2012, you know. And I can get more numbers for a cabin chassis and how much it would cost to take the equipment off of this truck and put it on to a new cabin chassis. I mean, it's a lot more research that I can do and willing to do, but I just wanted to have that time, first of all, and second of all, I just wanted to let you guys know. I think the couple of options that you mentioned I think are worth some research and then we can figure out where to go from there. So I can put this on the agenda again on, what are we gonna be on? May 13th. So the other issue that I just learned this afternoon before I left work was that the turbo is on backwater and they have no idea of when, when, when we were. So is it pushing oil through the turbo? It's squealing, it's like whistling and there's no power. The truck doesn't have any power. Yeah. You know, if that fractures, it can get the intake and wreck the motor. Yeah, that's why I got it down there since I could, so I didn't create more damage. So how does this affect the workload not having this truck right now? Right now it affects a lot because, like I said, we pull the chloride trailer with it, we pull the rake with it. Any, the handwork stuff we can use to pick up, that's not the issue, but it's more of the rake in the chloride. Can you pull the rake in the chloride or is there anything else? We can do it with the six wheeler, but it's over two, no, that's the, that's the, it's a flint truck, one of the flint trucks, yeah. But it's a six wheeler, so it's a little bit shorter or smaller than the 10 wheelers. Right, right. I mean, can we get by? Of course, we'll make it happen, whatever we gotta do. Right. But certainly this truck being down is going to affect how we do it. Yeah. So I'm pretty sure it could be my bad memory, but I'm pretty sure we discussed as part of that last truck blow-up, I think we kind of meandered into a discussion about the 550 and Ford's and my complaints about those trucks having only one. And was it you that mentioned there's a brand, I don't know what it is, what's the brand of truck we use now for the, does Western store make like a mini? Not a mini, not a mini truck. But somebody makes a mini truck, people, you mentioned, maybe it was. Great liner makes a low pro. Low pro. I hear that that international is now making a low pro. It's somewhere between the six wheeler size and the one ton size. Chevy is also making one that is in that. What's the cost of a new one? Roughly. 50 to 60,000 for the cabin chassis. And then whatever it would cost to swap out the equipment unless we decided to buy new equipment, which would be what I would recommend is because after four years of service, the plow is, it's all loose, it's all loose jointed, it's rusting. Yeah. Well, I think we should keep that in mind when you're getting information about how much it's gonna cost to fix this truck and how long might it really last. If it's only gonna be used for another year. Should get rid of it. Do we just get rid of it? Right on that because we can fix it. That's what I'm thinking. Realistically, we're probably gonna have $20,000 into this repair. Right. If it's 14 just to change out the frame, it's gonna be easily another six to swap the equipment. But if we get it fixed and then trade it towards. You would get some trade for it, yes. As long as you don't tell them the frame's been. Right, but they can have, they can look at it, they can look at it and tell them maybe. Really? If you do a grind it and do a close weld there, you could. Yeah, I don't think you wanna not be honest about it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want that on my conscience. I mean, I would feel better about just telling the person that. Yeah. You buy it on your own risk. Right. All right, so stay tuned I guess, huh? I will dig more information. Okay. Particularly about the safety of a weld. I know that can be welded. I know there are certified welders that can weld it. Yeah. Make it better than new. Right. But it's just a matter of canning welded frame go through. Well, there's a alternative certification process. Right, that's what I'm not making. I mean, they may, you speak to one person, AOT picks up the phone, traverse forward would be one, but there may be other alternatives. Right. So there's some more work to do. Sandra, why don't you say something? What, Sandra? We do have one more payment next year. One more. Apply 20. Oh, okay. It's almost $17,000. So. So that was a five year loan. Okay. At 2.7. I can default before I take it back. Yeah. But they're broken frames. Lawyer fees then. So I will pursue looking into effects. Okay. Yeah, I mean, you know, then you can come back and let us know what the options are, what you recommend. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the turbo, like I said, as soon as the turbo's in, I would, I will run it on my duty and just see, you know, at least they get us through the month season, get the roads rated up and shaped up. Yeah. And then we've got some time. I will dig in with some more research and you guys informed. All right, great. Now road damage, that's plenty of it, but not like massive, right? I mean, you know. Yeah, not really. I mean, we've had a couple of culverts that have crushed due to frost or heavy trucks or whatever they want, I don't know, I don't blame it, but I think it's a lot to do with the culverts that we were using 10 years ago. Yeah. And they've just, they crushed and most of the time they crushed right at the joint where the two culverts come together. Mm-hmm. It seems to be the weak point. Yeah. And so normally you can get away with putting a couple sandbags in it and then fill the sinkhole with gravel. I got a day out of the one on Martin Road. I got one day out of that fix and it flew right out and another sinkhole came. So. Was that road closed too? Nothing's closed at this point. Was Pond is open? Yes. You got it all done? It was all done like at 230. What about Sadie Foss and Marshfield was it wrong? That is Marshfield Steel. I haven't been there. Oh. That's not our problem. Oh. They just asked if they could close our portion of the road. Right, right. They made it silent. They were gonna wait for the frost to come out before it changed. Oh really? Which to me is ludicrous. I think it's out. It's out. Dig it. Right. An excavator will go through that frost. I did. I put a frost today and I peeled it right off and got my culvert in. So while they're waiting, I don't know. I didn't quiz them too much. I just, you know. Right, that's their deal. That's their deal. Unless we get, I mean, how much traffic does that affect for, you know? Not much. Not much, definitely. Because they can go further down East Hill and then take Marshfield Road over and get them to the same spot. Yeah. It's a little bit further away if they're going to Plainfield, say, but depending on where they're going. But it's not huge. And our portion, you know, as far as our residents that live on that road, they are not affected. They can, the road says closed, but they can drive around it. They can go around the barricade and get to their home. Okay. Do we have any estimate on the cost of all the damage that we've had? Is this, and is this the stuff? Because I had a call from the RPC. It was Saturday morning, I think it was, about the road damage. And Toby said that he reported it. So is this going to the pot of whether or not FEMA money is available? That's a tough question because I don't, I mean, a lot of it is just bringing the time where and tear on our culverts and on the road. So I'm not sure what their criteria would be. We did receive a lot of rain and a lot of fast melting. And is that an act of nature? Of course it is, but I don't know. I don't see that we had a lot of damage caused by the storms. By the storms. I think it's just the way the weather is, you know. But yeah, Toby and I are keeping track of what we're putting into money and if it does look like. Right, that's what I just want to be sure of. We're going to be close for the FEMA amount because you have to be a certain amount of damage. And sometimes even just a little bit here and there makes it so that it's up to the amount that they can report to get reimbursement from FEMA. Right, yeah. So we are keeping track of that for particular problems that we've had out there. But it's supposed to rain off and on all week. I'm going to try to grade where I can in between and it was still about month holds. Today I got a few month holds fixed. But I was on the excavator all day and I actually had Ed come in so that once my two trucks were free from the culvert, I sent him haul and gravel for the month spots. But tomorrow we should be able to get a better handle on the actual month spots. I've got some people calling me about paw holes and I'm sorry, I can't fix paw holes right now. Let's get some mud holes first. Absolutely, well this week I had to get my culverts done. There was two culverts, one road that I probably should have closed. It was paw and it should have been closed over the weekend. I thought Joey said it was, but. No, we announced that it was going to be closed today for the repair, just for the repair. Joanne didn't think she was going to get through it. Last night she didn't know, shoot a friend tell her. Yeah, yeah. I mean it wasn't unsafe, it was just there was water running across the road and you know what they tell us about, which I don't remember. Right, because you don't know what's under here. I mean it was, it wasn't a huge river, so that's why I decided to leave it open and deal with it today. So it looks like a day loose on Wednesday again. Tuesdays must be good, Thursdays good. Saturdays, Saturdays, Sunday. Before you go off the road, I've got something I'd like to say, that I just sent you just what board members an email with a couple of pictures. What I'm complaining about is not you, Alfred, not the road. I'm complaining about the fact that our nice neighbor is back, Elizabeth Shedd, and her car is parked in the road. And I just came through tonight on the way home. And I've got an SUV, nice clearance, and I went zero miles an hour and I still hit bottom because of the mud hole beside her car. Where was this? Below our house. Collar Hill, Collar Hill. Now I'm asking you, as select board members, to have her remove the car from the road. It's against the law. It has been there for three days. I didn't even know she was back. Well, she is and one horse is back, so get ready for that. What? This is road stuff, we'll go to that later, you may, I'm going home. There's pictures of before the car and after the car to show you how much hard surface there is that people could be driving on if her car was not there. The license plate number is six, two, seven, three, one. And I put that as the subject of your email. I didn't get one. It takes forever for my picture emails to go anywhere. Sometimes I send things to people six times because I think they didn't go. So they get sick of it. So I didn't do it once. This is six, two, seven, three, one? Six, two, seven, three, one, Vermont. I always know. It's a small silver, a Subaru. So where does she normally park? She has a place actually, she could pull straight off the road. Or even now, if she would pull well past the mud hole, people could get around the mud hole. But for me, and believe me, I understand how Alfred must be working because from my house to here, it took me 20 minutes tonight because of the places, but I could go around a lot of them. This one, you can't. Because her car's in the way. Her car is in the way, and on the good part of the road. It is sucking mud on the other side. I don't know why you can't force her to move the toss. The car's parked on one side, all the traffic is going on spot, so you follow one route. It makes it worse. It makes it worse. And the car, actually, that part of the road is pretty dry, that side of the road, her side of the road, really. It plays a part. Right. For some reason. We just got home here, went downtown to do stuff, and you don't need to know this, but we just got up and eat dinner, and I'm getting home thinking, oh, I've already had dinner, and I'm going, I just have to go to that select board meeting and tell them about this. It was a car that bugged me, and you can't do anything if you don't know about it. Right, right, okay. And I left a message for Alfred on his phone at the garage, he probably got it, and so he knows too, but I think an effort needs to be made to make sure she doesn't park the car. Even in the summertime or whatever, she's always parking in the road. And it's a pain in the neck. You're not allowed to park in the travel way. Right, right, it certainly is. But she, as you know, doesn't pay attention to anything. Or what? So she's parked on the travel portion of the road. Oh, definitely. Okay. Well, when the picture gets to you. Yeah, you'll see. Okay, all right. I can show it to you on here if you want. Now, look, I'll see what I get. How's it going? If you get it. I just suddenly felt good when I saw the picture over there, because I'm forgetting to ask what's going to happen to the chandelier in the town of Paul. And I see who's still there. It's going to still be there. We sold it. I have two sons and a husband like that. We don't need that. You didn't even get it going, John. It doesn't work, me and Dad. She's got a number. Thanks for listening. All right, thanks, John. Thank you very much. Trout, I hope you make it home. I will. All right, thanks, John. I don't want to have to cash that. Yeah, you'd better make it all by home. Don't stop or scratch the cars. OK, are we done with roads? I just had a comment about street signs when you start ordering them again. L-I-G-H-T-E-N-I-N-J-R-I-D-G-E-R-I-V-A-D. It's gone, right? It's gone again? A dozen times. Yeah, no, but it's gone. Did you know it's gone? Yes, that's on order. This is like the fourth time. Oh, yeah, and the stop sign's gone, too. That happened today, I think. Really? Yeah, it's been going. The stop sign? Yeah. At the top of the line, you were just, I know it's the way over that's gone. I noticed it today. Thank you so much. Thanks, John. That's all right. The light and ridge roads have not been on the sign. Has been gone for a long time. Yeah, only a couple of weeks. So it's on order. So are they unbolting it? How are they getting it? I don't know. They just stand on their tailgate and just rip it. So we put like a little tile, you know those little tiles and you have the tracking tiles. Yeah, let's put a tracking tile on them. Shit, man. Can you see clearly? Oh, yeah, they're a little. It's crazy. We've replaced it a hundred times. I don't know why they like it when it's in the dark because they're probably stealing them in the dark. So can we like weld something around it? So it's a little bit. No, put a bracket like. Oh, I don't know. I'll put a razor wire. Put the bow salad around that. At least they have to. But at least that would be the most expensive part. At least they have to put a bracket right in there. Good block, right? Well, I think it's time for a game camera. Set up a camera. And then maybe we can get a license plate or we can find out and see what kind of vehicle it is. What does it look like? With that sign. What are they doing with it? Anybody would want a sign that says Lightning Ridge. I don't get it. But four or five times. Maybe because it's so long. Maybe they're welding their frame with their truck. It is good thick aluminum. I don't understand why somebody do this to me. I was like, don't you have enough of these signs in your basement already? I see it by Andy Feliz's house. Somebody put up the sign says Interstate 89. Yeah, I see that. I got to check a lot of that already. Is there still a sign stuck in there? It's an old sign. It's an old sign. It's not one of the new ones. But I thought it was pretty funny, because it's right near a place where there's mud. The tiles are four of them for $60. But then you have to track it. I think that might not be. I've never heard of these. Yeah. I've heard of them in you have in the zone. That's unusual. You're not a techie, did you say? I know. I'm a secret techie. So they're waterproof, you can. I don't know, but you put it on your keys. I think it works the same way as the thing that finds your phone, which is in the phone. The reason I know about this is because we had one for one of my people that used to be safe all the time. He had one in his pocket or something. No, we put it in a purse. So she would click a purse. You found her with it? I think a game cam is a good idea. Game camera. Yeah, and those who do the program might do a cell phone. Right. Look at your pictures from it. How much does one cost? If you get a service. Two, three hundred? Yeah, I'm just surprised they're a good one. Maybe it's something we should invest in for others. Well, I mean, we just talked about how much the side of the game costs. I wonder if there's any. I want to try the signs. I want to check with, make sure it's, we're not doing anything illegal by doing this. What? Taking pictures with thieves? Yeah. We're being trapped. I wonder if we just put up a sign that says, surveillance camera in operation. They'll go look for it. They'll steal that. The only thing I worry about in terms of illegal is that you'd be putting the camera on private property. But there's no expectation of privacy out in the middle of the road. I mean, we would give you permission, but our trees, they are kind of open, so you probably could see the camera. Yeah, but no one's looking for it. So we could put it on your land, you'd be OK with that? Sure. Get to count the deer and the beer. Rose has every right to put a camera up on her. That's a crazy intersection between people going off the road and flipping trucks. And now, what's going on down there? Is that party zone? I don't know about this. Is that the party zone? Is there a place under your property where people go to party? No, we're all old now. What are the kids going there? Something's going on. Everyone's happily gone. All right, so we're off track here. But yeah, we should look it back, getting a game camera. Rose is giving us permission. Yeah, we bother me. So Rose is going to buy a game camera for them? Actually, I had one, but I lent it to my daughter and never saw it again. OK, that's kids for it. Yeah. All right, annual financial plan for talent highways. We have this before us to sign this. We do this every year. These are major projects that we're looking at for this season. Our town highway four Marshfield Road, that's a better back roads, town highway four Marshfield roads, another better back roads, ditching and drainage. Moscow Woods, class two road ramp to resurface it. That's the paved part, right? Paving the road. And George Road, we placed a 60 by 40 foot pipe with a new structure. Does that mean culver? We're working with the engineer with what type of structure right now. Right now. It's looking like it's probably going to be another aluminum box that we mentioned. Oh, OK. So this is for fiscal year 2020, beginning July 1, 19, ending June 30, 2020. Would anybody like to make a motion to approve this? And we should all sign it? Yes. Second. All second. Any further discussion or questions? Anything you want to add, Alfred? No, I mean, we met with Shauna Clifford and that's how we come up with the projects. The projects. She's pretty much guaranteeing us the grant for the paper. It doesn't spend three years or so since we applied for our class two grant. So she's pretty much giving us the green light on that. Yeah. So we'll certainly get the grant. OK, that was good. Any second? We need to vote. We need to vote. So all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Go ahead, John. I've got to go to bed next tomorrow. So if you don't need candy for one day, it's a big problem. All right. Quick question. Are you planning on hearing the crack seal on the county road this summer? Yes. Yes, that will happen. OK, roadside mowing. Last year, we didn't get on Doug Grapp's radar until he fired into the season. I want to make sure that we get on his radar soon enough this season so we can figure out when we want to do the roadside mowing. Same plan as last year, right? Right, but I have to go back and look and see when, ideally, we would like him to do it so we can get on his radar sooner rather than later. Do you remember? I've voted before July, like July 1st, because I think we want to start it. Right, I think we've got to go back and look at the minutes. Because ideally, we would do it before, and I think it would be invasive. Which invasive comes first? But we've got two budgeted. Two months? Two months. Chick-a-chees? Chick-a-chees, I don't know. So it's a little bit difficult to say when exactly we want to do it because the invasive's come a different year, right? So let's sort of grab a window of his time. Yeah. I just want to put it on our radar that we want to ask about it. And get it scheduled sooner rather than later. But like I said, we can go back and look at the minutes and maybe get a rough idea of when we would ideally like him to do it. And then last year, they did that experimental thing on that road. I forget the name of it. It was over by West Church Kilbryns. And member Peter Harvey had put up those signs. He was charged with contacting all the neighbors. And that didn't necessarily happen. And then I got phone calls. And was it the Kilbryns? No mozone. From the Kilbryns because of the Burdocks. So I know that will come up again. So I just want to put this out on everybody's radar. In terms of the invasives, maybe we can ask Alfie to consult with Stephanie. Let's have a look. Yeah, she'll be back. And we can certainly get the Conservation Commission involved in choosing the timing. We can that this is a perfect place to consult their expertise. We know that you may not hit the exact optimal day, but they can give Alfie the right window. And then we can just let them look down the side. I'll ask the Conservation Commission to put this on. Well, I think timing is the best experience. We want to get on to those agenda. Right, exactly. That's my point. And finally, so if we can nail that window of time down soon or later, then we can get on his list. Right, that's why I wanted to bring it up now so that we have plenty of time. All right, I'll contact the Conservation Commission. And they can put it on. They're not coming yet. All right, so is there any value in giving Doug the heads up or only when you know exactly when you want to? No point calling him until you know? I mean, I can tell him that we're going to hire him. So he knows that he's going to be hired by us. And then we can just tell him we'll let him know the exact date that we want it done. Yeah, our window. So that's hard for him to do. I just think if we can put it on his radar, that we're going to be looking at this sooner rather than later so we don't even last minute requests like we did last year. Right, well, what I'm saying is that he doesn't know we're going to hire him right now. Because there's been years in the past that we put it out to bid. Right, and we always get it to others. He's always been the way better, blah, blah, blah. But that doesn't guarantee him every year. So if you want me to commit to that, then he would probably feel better about setting that week aside. Just do that for us. How does the board feel about us just saying I want to go with Doug because he knows the talent. How have we done it? Yeah. What's the total? I'm good with that. That's $10,000. I get a whole ton of $5,000 per time. He does it twice. He does it twice. It's a great deal. I am fine with that, but when the phone call comes from Alfred to Doug, I think we should also relay it's really important to us that we're able to time the cuts optimally for invasives. So we're going to forego the bidding process, Doug, because we want to work with you. But we ask that you, you know, the Conservation Commission is working on giving us a date, and I'll have that by we can tell him we need it by the end of May. But then we need you to commit and do work on the invasive schedule. So I'll tell him that you've got the contract if you give us the dates we want. Right. You can show us that week of time that we want you to vote. He actually said he'd do that last year. Last year, he said it's really easy to get along. Yeah, he's great. Yeah, not at all hard to get along with at all. No, I mean, he was, you know, he felt bad last year. He tried to squeeze us in. James has been right. I'm sorry, what? Doug Graves' husband. Yeah. You know, he tried to squeeze us in as best he could. Oh, that's true. OK. All right. And then the other thing is the curb cut application. Did you see it? Yes. I think I might have sent it to me. I think I sent it to you, like, chronically. I hope it was upside down. I know, because the way my. Oh, that's right. And there it is. You can turn it. I can. You can turn it, if you all know what I'm saying. I have to do this to get it turned, hang on. Mine, when I call it up, I can just. There's been a little error with that. Unmined Boole wants to give me a whole assortment of programs to open it with. Do you want to do this tonight, folks, or do you want to do it next meeting? I don't know if you've seen it. I don't think there's any rush. I didn't get up there. All right, well, let's do it next time. But I just wanted to make sure everybody knows about it. So let's just get a copy for Alfred. And part of the reason I didn't go look at it today or the other day is it's because it's on the Sadie Foss Road. I thought it was closed. And I thought it was closed. All right. Come on. Where is it, Max Gray? What I read is it's not Max Gray. X number of feet from Sadie Foss. It's from a property address, Max Gray. Any hundred feet from the intersection of the Sadie Foss? Yeah. So, Hayden, you can put that down on the list. Yeah. That's right. And keep going down. Let's look at the mail. And we need to put a card number on it. I don't know where I get the card. Melinda, Chris and Melinda Neff from Rocksburg. Does somebody sell a lot up there? Yes, very well. So, Gretz sold his house. What did you say? Gretz sold his house. So that's what that means. So is he still living in town? Yeah. He moved to his original house. OK. All right, so we'll do this next time. I'll look at that because that's sort of puzzling where that is. There is a lot between Doug Gretz's old house and the cemetery. Yeah. Maybe that's it. So nice feel. Yeah. Nice one. How do you feel? OK. So, put this on your radar for next time. Yeah. I'll look at it for sure. Thank you. All right. Is there anything else for Alfred so we can get Sandra on? Thanks, Alfred. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Do you want to be here for yours or is it good? We can do a highway first. OK. A highway budget? Sure. OK. So there is a treasurer's report sitting in the middle. There's a copy for everyone. And there's two left. So who didn't get it besides me? John. John, maybe. So if you go to the second page of that package, I have summarized the budget and expense reports from Nimrick. And the last time we met, I said that I was about the work of inputting or programming the grants and the grant revenue right into the highway budget and revenue fields so that they will net out one another. And we will know instantly when we're ready to close the year what goes into the highway capital fund. So as far as the highway revenues are concerned, we are over budget in terms of the revenues primarily due to grant revenues. All right. Now, for the expense side, we are close to budget primarily due to grant expenses. And also, to the weather that we had this year, we are really close in wages. We are at about max in wages now. So I would. For the entire year. For the entire year. So it's very likely. It's almost, it's a virtual certainty that the budget that the highway expenses will exceed the budget due to weather conditions. There are two more months of salaries, benefits, payroll taxes, utilities, equipment maintenance, and grant expenses. And I can't really project the expenses because they're so largely weather dependent. And equipment, as we talked about, equipment maintenance driven. Take away from this is that because at this point in time, today, the highway has $184,000 plus to make it through the end of FY19. And that includes salaries, any expenses? That includes everything. So if you take the highway budget, which includes budgeted expenses and non-budgeted expenses, which are your grant expenses, and you look at the highway revenues, which were budgeted, and grant revenues, which are not budgeted, you would subtract the expenses from the revenues. And what you get is this $184,000. Now this $184,000, hopefully, will take us through to the end of the year plus. And anything left over goes into the highway. Rolls right over into the highway capital equipment fund. And at this point in time, that fund has, in it, highway fund has $80,800 in it. And that is before or after we take out the payment for the new lease fund. Well, that is what is in it right now. Next year, FY20, we will have a payment of roughly $40,000 that will come out of that fund. OK, so what about the lease payment for the truck that we just got? When does that? Do you have to pay the lease payment? Yes, we have. We have. OK, so another payment will come out next fiscal year. And next January. So in fiscal year 20, there will be another payment in January. So was it like $70,000? About $40,000. So that's where we are. And that is reflected. And what I did was break out the highway fund expenses and revenue so you can see how revenues and expenses net out to give us this number. And we just finished this programming. The accountants, by the way, were ecstatic that we did it that way. Any comment on that, Alfred? No, that's music to my ears. Yes, so what I can do now is, on a monthly basis, I can generate this report to highway and that will give them a good feel for where they are. There we are. Right, that's good. So as we're thinking about this truck, I think it's nice to know, at this point, or comforting, shall we say, that we're going to be able to manage whatever repair or replacement we need to do for that particular truck. So general government is not quite as happy. And we'll talk about that. Now, the. I'm leaving. I knew it. How do I know that? So thank you so much. Thank you, Alfred. Nice work. So the guys tonight out there did it. So the big takeaway from this is, I don't see the new Western star payment as being paid on you. Why am I missing it? Because it was not budgeted. The budget strategy that the highway and the select board adopted for FY20 was to take that payment from the FY20, was to take that payment out of the capital equipment fund. And they also determined that that payment would come out of the capital equipment fund for FY19. That's how we were. Right, that's what I was saying. I don't see it listed here. It wouldn't be there in your budget because it wasn't a budgeted expense. It came out of your fund balance. But where does it show on here? It doesn't show on there. Where it would show is if I ran a full report on the highway fund balance. So that is a fund. Let's see. So basically, we took it out of the savings center and checking. Yeah. And we're looking at check. Exactly. So here we are. So this page right here is the highway equipment fund. And it starts out at roughly $80,824. There we open the year with $34,000 in it. We added another $46,000. It doesn't show the subtraction. But the subtraction is tucked in there. I believe you. I just want to understand why we can't see it. Because it wasn't out of the budget. Because the reports you have are budgeted expense reports. And this particular expense wasn't paid out of a budget line. We didn't have a budget line for it. It's a slush fund. It was paid out of the highway equipment fund capital account, which is not an expense account. It's a rollover account. So it wouldn't show in a budget line item. And in fact, if you remember, the FY20 budget that you created doesn't have that payment in it either. I mean, for your proposed FY20 budget, that payment is not there. That payment was agreed to be made out of the capital equipment fund. So when they sold their truck and bought the new one, those truck proceeds went in to that fund directly. And then we also paid out of that fund the lease payment. Is that what that $46,000 you said went in? Yes. That probably is what we got for the old fund. Yes. OK, I was wondering where that came from. That makes sense. So when I'm done, I can run your full report on that if you would like to see it. But that is not a budget good. It was reflected in the budget that it wasn't part of the budget, but it's coming from another source. Yeah, I just want to make sure that we can see it somehow. So I guess at the beginning of FY20, it would be good to see that capital equipment fund with the expenses and the money that's put in. Can you do that? Yeah, I can. I just want to be transparent. Absolutely. One thing you might think about, and I didn't want to hold Alfred up any longer, is if there is a considerable amount of money to be rolled over, that is because there was an article voted on in town meetings several years ago. That requires that. But you might want to consider, along with highway, to say only 50% of the highway fund balance at the end of any year goes into the capital equipment fund and leave the other balance to cover any other expenses than highway may have. They may go over budget, at which point general government would have to stand for that over budget because general government covers highway regardless. Was our warned item, I guess I'd have to go back and look. I thought it was, was it a set amount, or was it any surplus? Any surplus. OK, so I'm going to say 50% of any surplus or something. But that's a conversation to be had with between the select board and Adobe and Alfred. I don't know exactly what they wish. It's because something to keep in mind, though, when we're thinking about this next year. I think that would be a good idea. We're certainly using it. We're going to use it all up if this truck is a big problem. Well, whatever you don't put into the capital equipment fund can still be used for capital equipment. But it can also be used. Yes, that would be an optional use. I like the idea of options. OK, I'm sorry. Oh, that's OK. So in general, so the takeaway of this and what I am kind of grooming the select board to incorporate into their thinking with budgeting and an understanding where you are, is that even if we spend less than our budgeted amount, if we don't collect enough revenue to cover what we spend, we are in a deficit spending situation. Even though we have. Well, that's just the general rule. So we can't look at our budget and say, ooh, looks like we're going to go under budget. You may not spend all that you budgeted in expenses for one reason or another. But if you don't collect as much revenue as what you spend at the end of the day, you are in a deficit spending situation, and we find ourselves there now. We're certainly not in a deficit situation, but we are really heading into one. Once I was able to program the highway the way you see it now and break apart the highway and general government, because now they can live independent of one another. I don't have the grants kind of floating there on the side. What we see is this. We have not collected all of our revenues, and the vast majority of uncollected revenues come from delinquent taxes. So we'll talk about delinquent taxes in just a second. We are in excess of $70,000 in uncollected delinquent taxes for the most part from 2018 alone. So what we see is, according to our balance sheet, we have roughly $75,000 to make it to the end of the year. But we have approximately $150,000 in budgeted and expected expenses. The largest expenditures are the two payments for the deficit loan and the town hall loan. They hit in June. The principal amount of those payments are in excess of $100,000. And we have another large payment. The second half of the EMFD ambulance contract, that's roughly $38,000. Then you have salaries, benefits, and utilities, and so forth for the next couple of months. So I'm projecting kind of $150,000 in anticipated expenditures between now and the end of the fiscal year. So hang on, Sandra. This says $175,000. I'm sorry, $175,000. This is correct. That is correct, yes. I'm trying to go from memory, and maybe that's not such a great idea. So I'm going to say while it would appear that we will underspend the general government budget, revenues are down because of the delinquent taxes. And if we were to collect all of the outstanding delinquent taxes, we would still have roughly a $25,000 deficit because we're over in clerk and clerk assistant fees due to all of the elections. We're over in health insurance. We will be in health insurance and supplies largely due to under budgeting. So the good news is we opened this year with a very healthy fund balance in excess of $300,000. So we will be able to cover whatever deficit we have, and that's money that we actually have. That is what we call yes. That is our fund balance, money in the bank. So it's not time for nail-biting, but it's time for a thoughtful approach to how we make our expenditures for the rest of the year. It is not likely that we'll need a tax anticipation note. I would have to check with the accountant's end with Jim. I think because we have such a healthy fund balance, we're not going to have to go to the taxpayers and collect that deficit. In other words, put whatever the deficit is on the budget. I think we will be excused from that because our fund balance will cover it. So can we take expenses out of the fund balance if we have a deficit? It will just simply do it. It'll reduce the fund balance. Yes. And we never said anything not to say we must have a fund balance of. That is my understanding. I do not see that you have a policy that sets your fund balance at a certain percentage of your budgeted expenses. If you did, and we spent more than that, I think you are lawfully bound to actually put that digital expense on how to fund balance before. I can't answer that. I don't ever remember that we had a fund balance. You wouldn't be able to track it with QuickBooks. Oh, maybe that's why. It would be very difficult. So you haven't had an opportunity to see the tracking process. And so I'm just trying to ease you into these reports. They're not that complicated. But we have them now. They're pretty finely honed. And again, this is not to alarm. It's to inform. One thing that I'm here, and I wanted to come in intentionally, is to talk about delinquent taxes. And we'll get to that in a moment because I'm going to ask the select board. I'm going to encourage the select board to take a firm hand in our delinquent tax collection and ask them to allow me to send a firm certified letter to a certain of our completely unresponsive delinquent tax payers. That's why I put it on the agenda. So the point of talking about where we are in the general government, the highway money can't save us. And so now we can see. The way it was programmed, it was kind of clouding the picture. But highway money cannot save the general government. The general government can only save the highway. So this is exactly where we are. We still have essentially a, we have a healthy fund balance, and we'll just have to wait and see. So the delinquent tax report key is a few pages in. You're going to see it. And it's followed by, I hope, a colored delinquent tax. No, it's not colored. Oh, isn't it? I'm sorry. Well, you'll see it in gray tones then. So any parcel that is highlighted and for you gray tones, those delinquent taxpayers have not contacted the office by any means, phone, email, by any means. They have not entered into an agreement to pay, repay their taxes. And those agreements are sent out, or they're written agreements, sent out at the very beginning of the tax collection process. And they have not made any payments. So what I would like to, so I am coming in to ask the select board to allow me to send a certified letter that simply states you may no contact, you have no agreement. The deadline per hour policy is payment in full by June 30th. If you do not receive your payment at that time, your parcel will be turned over to the town's attorney for tax sale purposes on July 15th. So I invite you to take a look at that list, in particular, of the items highlighted in gray. And if you know something or you need to, so the ones that are highlighted in gray but don't have a number. Right, the ones highlighted in gray are simply the ones no contact, no agreement, no payment. And some of the ones that are highlighted. There's just some information I can add to that. So the numbers means they're. So the numbers are going to correspond to the key. So for instance, number one, Paul Dunbar, he is not the owner of that parcel. That was sold after April 1st. The owner of that parcel currently is his, as a relative of his, I believe it's his stepbrother, Homer Richardson in Worcester. I am sending duplicate bills to Paul Dunbar. He called the office some months ago to say that he may very well pitch in or take care of this year. And so that's something you need to know. And I would send him a copy of that certified letter. And number seven, I thought the daughter or something usually helps out. Number seven is, is those. Could we just keep names? Could we get a camera now? You mean, you mean numbers? I just haven't. We're doing numbers. Numbers. Okay, I know, but there's names besides numbers. Yeah, the camera doesn't feel the same. I'm not focusing on the names. Well, there was a name mentioned there. It's, well, it is public information. I know, but it's embarrassing. I know. A lot of people. So that's why I said numbers. You guys are saying the same thing. Yeah. Okay. Number seven and number 14 are both parcels that were, that had 2000 had delinquent taxes for 2017 and possibly 16. They both went to tax sale. That would be number seven and 14. They were both redeemed by the owner from the tax sale. So the parcels are still in the possession of those owners. However, what happens, or what is happening is that because of the extent of the payment required to redeem these properties from tax sale, I get the sense that neither of these parcels are able to pay the 2018 taxes. And no, there is absolutely no reason for me to believe that they will. Again, no contact, no payment, nothing. And so where we are with that is our tax bills for 2019 are going to be issued in just a few months. I know they've just redeemed from tax sale, but it might be in their best interest to get on this tax sale. We are putting them in a loop where they're always two years behind. And it creates a burden for the town. And it also is burdensome for them whether they can see that or not because they're paying exorbitant amounts of money in attorney's fees and costs and interest over and above our penalty and interest, which is quite modest and their taxes. So I wanted to give you that information about those two taxpayers or those two parcels. And I would say, they need to be on this list. They're probably not anywhere in any position to get this paid. And that's what they're gonna owe for the next year as well. Right, so that's kind of like you're on a treadmill. It is, it is. And I might have a different thought about that had either one of them contacted me and said, look, let's kind of start from scratch. I can meet my next year's tax obligation. Can you let me just pay $100 a month until it's paid in full and I'll stay current from now on. I'd bring that to the board. That's not an unreasonable request given how deep they got themselves dug in because you want a payment plan that also allows for payment of that next tax bill. Or it's worthless to them. And you want a payment plan that also eats away at the principle of not just the interest because that's not to their benefit by. So the ones you have a little starved by, I'm assuming these are ones you're gonna come to us eventually and ask us to. Well, yeah, I'm gonna see what happens. I will not be sending any more bills to amounts under $1, that's a fool's game. They, all of those intended to pay their taxes in full. And they just simply, they paid off an old bill. They just got here well after the close of the month. And I hold it open as long as possible to avoid that. But that. So you're looking for us to authorize you to send out certified letters to the folks listed on this list highlighted in gray. And when do you wanna have those letters go out by? Well, I went away until April 30th because the interest charges are good. We do not collect any more interest until the end of the month. That's the way that goes. And I closed the month sometime around the fourth or fifth of the next month of the subsequent month to be able to sweep anybody who has put in a check on the 29th or the 30th of the month. I mean, there's plenty of room for to reach out to the taxpayers and make this as painless and fair process as possible. So I am torn. This is a fairly sizable list, but I think that a number of these folks are getting into a loop. They've been on our lists in the past and it becomes burdensome for the town to carry these. And it's quite a bit of money. It is, it is. I have taxpayers who do not have agreements, but who have promised payments. You're gonna see two, four, and five. Yeah. They promised to pay by the end of April. And 13, and they have not, it's not the end of April yet, so I'm not worried about that. So we may eliminate four and five, which would be good. Yes, and possibly two and 13 may be able to be eliminated if they come around. Again, they notified me by email March 28th that they would like to get this cleared up. They wanna pay it online, but they haven't made that payment yet. They haven't contacted me yet. So if they don't pay, if two and 13 don't pay, I would send them a warning letter and see if they make any effort in May and that if not, they would get. But if we're sending a certified letter to everybody that hasn't. Only the highlighted ones. The highlighted taxpayers have made no contact. Right, okay. Well, and number four and five did. They're not highlighted. No, they're not highlighted. Oh, right, right, okay. Got it. That's where I'm from. So we would take, whoever, you know. You know, I'm black and white. This is too long, it's too long by 13. Yes. Okay, that's all right. So that's the deal with that. And eight, nine, and 10 is an individual who I believe requires the assistance of a third party to manage the affairs of his life. And if any of you know anything about that or have, or know the main contact person might be, I'm worried that just the mail is just left in a pile somewhere. Could be. And I just don't know who to contact. Well, he's the stepfather of number 11. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, number 11 has made one payment and will not enter into an agreement. And when I asked number 11, if they're gonna be able to bring everything current by June 30th, it was literally a wave of the hand. So let's see if they make a payment by the end of the month. Okay. It does anybody, is anyone familiar with number 11 and feels comfortable reaching out to see who that third party caregiver might be? Is number 11 related to the one directly below it? Yeah, brother and sister. Yeah, but that's, I do not know the relationship. I'm not really worried about the one below it. But so if you can, as a board, if you come across information that would help, we're gonna send the letter and the certified letter. And what I hope there is if it's a certified letter, some one will be in charge of getting that from a noticed office and might see what's going on. This person knows that individual pretty well. She's a tenant, but I think she's. Can you, do you have the means by which that you can set forward that to treasurer callus at gmail.com? Yeah. And then I can make that reach out. Renee Carpenter. So I mean, that's the case. This is why I wanted to take a moment to bring this to your attention because that I wouldn't wanna see. I mean, obviously I wanna do whatever we're trying to help people. Exactly. So I do not, anything that is not noted with a number or a highlight, they're on a good track to get me by June 30th. And I, whether if they've missed their payments or modified their agreements, they're making significant efforts that are systematic and getting to that end point. I really appreciate the approach because the last time we talked about, that I recall, anyway I talked about delinquent taxes and taking a next step, I felt like it had, the process had escalated to a point, to beyond this before the select board was brought in. I don't know if you guys remember that conversation. But I'm glad that you're talking about sending a certified letter, letting us know that it's time to send a certified letter because we are not talking about beginning foreclosure proceedings before we even know about it, which is where we were last time. Yeah, I think I sort of remember that. So this is really, this is very well done. I think it speaks to thinking about people and trying to help them as much as possible. So, as a town we can do our best to try and help people. While we're on this topic, the delinquent tax culture policy came through. Yeah, right here. I'll send it to everybody, see if they remember. I thought we would approve it again or whatever. We might went and I'm sorry about it. Well, I got it, but we did it in 17. So I'm glad there's change. That's my name is me. That we should put it on a future agenda. Yeah, there's updates that we need to make because how we've changed in the past few years, we've brought it a different way for penalties. Okay. Well, in order to get what I did was I sound so cheesy, but in an effort to be expeditious and getting this information out to our taxpayers, I took a strip of paper and said notice the penalty for 2018 is four and a half percent interest is 0.5%. So folks, which is a much more favorable interest than penalty than we've had previously and what is previously. No, no, it's actually not. This was much more favorable to them. Really? It was less than a four and a half percent penalty? Oh yeah. Okay. So we should go through, we should put this on our to-do list of things that we need to update this policy. So we'll put it on our to-do list. So also notice too, as we ponder, how do we struggle our way through this because this is clearly where the deficit is and then this really is it in addition to overspending, which okay, in the grand scheme of things, best case scenario was maybe around $25,000 or a little less. That's not so... That's pretty good for trying to guess and not know what the weather's gonna be and how much overtime the road cruise gonna work and elections, extra elections. I know those things are easy to explain. Right. But this lack of payment, that's a puzzle. And I think the board might have questions, but I am hoping the board will take some firm action along my recommendations. I think if we were fat, it would be a little softer, but I think that's not right. What I wanna see us be is fair, helpful, but consistent and everybody gets treated the same. Right. What you need to know is no bills are returned. Every bill is making its mark unless the postmistress master is throwing them out the window. So nothing is getting returned, nothing. But when you ask us to take firm action, I think what you mean is that we... Would support this certified letter. Make a motion to support use of the certified letter. You need to do it now. And we'll be right behind you. Well, I'm your employee, so these are decisions that are sensitive. What we need to do is... This is what Nadine did, she asked. This is what we need to authorize the Delinquent Tax Collector to send certified letters after April 30th to those on the list that have not made any attempt or contacted the office to set up a payment plan. Right. And what we need to do, what happens if... I say I'm turning this over to Gloria Rice, the town's tax sale attorney on July 15th. I'm gonna do that. That's what you have to do that. And that still gives us 15 extra days to... Okay, so that's do it. The motion. That's the next letter. Right, that's the motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Okay, so all those... Any further questions or comments? All right, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. And then the next step after this would be July after July 15th. And is that gonna be included in the letter that you send? The letter will be very simple. We've contacted you monthly, and I've changed the strategy. Nadine would send bills on a quarterly basis. I'd reach out on a monthly basis. So no one is in the dark about what is happening. Or can easily forget about it. So it will just simply say that, lay out the reason why I am contacting them. Remind them that the final due date is for payment in full. Pursue to the policy of the town which they've received a copy of is June 30th. And in the event that there is not a payment in full at that time, the parcel will be turned over to the town's tax sale attorney for tax sale at which, on July 15th, at which point, or if that's a Sunday or Saturday, we'll go long, we won't go short. At which point no further conversation can be had with the delinquent tax. The only thing we might do, we talked about this last time, and I think we asked Nadine to do it, is also do a front porch forum post generically that says we have a number of households that I, you know, from San Bernard Treasure, I have, there are a number of households in town that I have not heard from at all about creating a plan to pay your taxes. I've sent certified mails, a letter that you will get, but I'm using this method of communication to also just to, I think we can just make it short and sweet. Yeah. It feels, you know, we all feel uncomfortable about it. These are our neighbors. But in the grand scheme of things, as of right now, they've had five months to come up with some plan, and by June 30th, they will have had seven months. So I think this is, I think it's, I really do feel it's a reasonable policy. And as I said, if someone came to me and asked, even if they would 5,000 and said, if you let me pay $75 a month or whatever, I will make all the rest of my payments on time. I'd come to the board and I would recommend that. Sure. I'm just saying that when people get themselves into a place like that, the certified letter comes and it still just goes in the mail. So seeing a front porch forum, which they may or may not do, is just another way of putting in front of them generically, very, very, very, attention to it or not is up to you. Right, it's just another way of... Okay. Sounds good. Thank you. Any other questions? And it might be better if I come to the board the first meeting of the month so that at the end of the month, when I'm closing out, instead of the last meeting of the month, because I'm actually closing out my books and analyzing the data and putting this report together. Which... Okay, we can do that. And it would give you an opportunity to take a look at it because I would send it to Katie. She'd put it up in the Google Docs and then maybe that would be more meaningful to you. But that is... Whatever way is gonna be the best way for us to understand and know what's going on. If you wanna make it the first meeting of the month, that's fine, it's gonna be that, no problem. So, real quick, one last thing. Let's take a look at that balance sheet and that, oh boy, is, let me say, several pages down that hang on balance sheet. Before the delinquent tax. The balance sheet is before the delinquent tax, yes. And when I talk about the balance sheet, hang on, let me just... Is it only just one sheet? Yeah. That's assets and liabilities. You know what it is? It's several pages past the delinquent tax report. Yeah, it says one of one. One of one. It's got assets, liabilities. Correct. Fund balance. That's it, it will look just like what's on the screen. So, there's our fund balance, okay. And there it is. And most importantly, I was, again, we want to be thoughtful about how we go forward to the end of the year. The due to, due from that $626,000. Sorry, no, no, no, no, go back, go back. It's on this page. Up at the top. I don't know which one of you is scrolling, Cliff. There it is. Under assets, we have a due to, due from that negative 626. I saw it, there's in. Due to the... Oh, I see what you mean. Okay. See that? So, that, again, a reminder that that is money that is not the town's to spend. There's the highway equipment is in that. And if you look at the next, if you're in your packet and you look at the next page, you're going to see, oh, thank you, Cliff. You're going to see a rundown of what we have. Okay, now I've got you. And I know Cliff and Denise meet with the town hall committee very often. They have $92,000 as of today. I don't know what their estimate for completion is, but that is the money they have in the bank. We're probably likely to end with some small, hopefully small deficit at the end of this year. And we want to be careful. The board may be asked to use the town hall fund. Reserve fund. Reserve fund. 42,000 in July, it will get another 10. So, you know, what we want to be careful of is that we don't invade our fund balance as that project goes along. Well, you mean invaded to pay for the renovations? Yeah. Because where would we get the money to? How would we recoup that money? Unless it can be used for the renovations. I mean, I guess it's something we have to think about. No, your fund balance, what we started the year with, was your $300,000 plus, right? And then we're gonna have a deficit that will reduce that going into FY 20. So you want to be careful that you don't deficit that further with that renovation because there's no grant, there's the accessibility grant that would support that, but there's no other grant that would support that. And I don't think donations can go into your fund balance. That's not lawful. They would just... Well, donations are a donation. Right, but they have to be booked to the town hall fund. So it won't be, they can't reimburse the town. It's a donation from a legal standpoint and a tax standpoint. So you want to be very careful and just continue to touch base again. I don't know where that project is. It might be really close to that. This is basically, as I'm understanding what the fund balance is, it sounds like it's a cushion that's built up over time. You can almost say it's a savings account, but that is so not the correct term. It's the fund balance. And what that fund balance allows you to do is not take a tax anticipation note because our year ends June 30th, but we don't start our first tax collection effort until September. So you have to cover two, or rather, two-twelfths of your next fiscal year. And you have, do you have to pay that back into year? I'm sorry. Does that money have to get, what? Where does it? No, we can, no, it would just build, it would just, it covers it and it just builds back up. But where does it come from? Where did $318,000 come from? That is the audited amount that Sullivan and Powers found to the good when they reviewed our books for FY 60. It's, I don't, that, I... It's sort of, it's just... They audited 17 and 18. And that was one of the things that you said. You took a deficit loan, and those loan proceeds went into your account and would have impart funded that deficit. We would have to say, not a loan. Right. I mean, somewhere, no matter where they found it, it must have come over time from... Something. From... Collecting taxes. Collecting taxes and not spending it from revenue. But you had eight... But a loan has to be paid back. But you said... Well, yeah, but it's still a profit, so it's in the fund. But it's still a pile of money, it's in the check in your account, and you... But you said QuickBooks never was able to track that, right? QuickBooks can't track it. So it was something that we maybe hadn't even know we had. Right. But I also think your deficit loan funded your deficits for the last five years, as I understood it. I was not here at that time. Right, we didn't do that this past year. So are there loans outstanding that the revenue, that the money could have come... From that, instead of taking out loans? Deficit loans? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Loans that we still owe. You owe the deficit, you need to pay back that deficit loan, you took $280,000. Deficit loan for two years. Yes. And then so you're on year two. And then we have the town hall. The town office fund. Is that... Is that that loan? should not be in here. That's a budgeted expense. Now the deficit loan though has a budgeted amount. The payback has a budgeted amount, but the use of it is not restricted. The use of it went right into the, it was just posted as deficit loan proceeds. It had its own posting, its own budget line or revenue line in that case, and it came in and it covered your deficits. Yeah, so be your point. I think I'm hearing two things. One is this, we might have liabilities on the 318 that we need to be remembering, but and the point you started with is don't let projects like the Town Hall renovation chip away at this money. You're going to want to try and if they're 20 or $30,000 short from their goal in this phase, the board can make that decision whether they're going to to basically go over budget with the understanding that donations and so forth that are from a tax and IRS standpoint donations to a non-profit organization have to be posted and go into that renovation fund and would be used for the next phase not to pay the town back. But that, all I'm saying is be thoughtful. That's be thoughtful. There's more than the 92, there's the 42 and so they have $130,000 to really get to the end. Except for you said the 42 was the reserve and the board can decide. I cannot do that on my own initiative. When we're done with that, when I get to the bottom of that 92 and there's still bills coming in and there's still bills coming in, I would have to ask the board whether I can pay them or not. After I spending from the town hall or reserve fund to pay for the renovation. And then and beyond that if the board chooses to do that, you would need to indicate that to me. Again that is outside of my bailing work because that affects your fund balance and that's not my call. So we're into the almost the end of April, we've got May and June so we'll have to be keeping a close eye on that. As I said, they may be very close to the end on that project and that may be that may be enough money for them but it's now that we can pinpoint things and see where we are in time. It's just it's a useful tool. So our next meeting would be May 9th at the town hall unless something comes up and it's sooner than that but to my knowledge it's May 9th. So we'll have to get, is there a way to run a report of all the town hall expenses? Oh yes and I've done that a few times. Yeah, if we could get that that might help. So Donna matches up that report with her records to make sure that I haven't posted anything to that particular budget line that doesn't belong there. We found one bill that should have gone to a different it to the East Calis Grant but otherwise it's solid. Good. And your figures match? She does bookkeeping different than I do. I'm on a cash basis and it what goes in and what goes out. It's just as simple as that cash went in, donations go in. We booked the expenses out of one line so it's just the net of what came in. The loan and donations minus the expenses made it's as simple that is exactly what that number is. Okay. So Donna's tracking across different fiscal years as well. Anything else you want to do? I have a general question. Just a slide on the surety fund for the McCulloch debt but did we never get that? Did they never fund the surety bond? Oh gosh the surety. The surety has, there's money on that. There is? Okay. I think that's in one of your written. It says zero there. It says zero but that's, it wouldn't go there because it's no it wouldn't. Set aside. It is set aside in its own account and it's not sitting in our checking account. It was at one time but it's not. So that's, Donna her notes on the first page under notes general government revenues notes number one. Oh it's mentioned right there. Thank you so much. This is really interesting and very well done. It's like a thesis project. It is. It is. It's like wow every month. Every month. You know we'll do this a few more times and then we'll start to make sure. And it will you'll become more and more comfortable with it because it you just you haven't had the benefit of a program that does what this program does and it would be darn near it would be really difficult to do it otherwise. And you'll see like for instance the highway fund it just nets itself right out. There's all your related highway revenues minus all your expenses boom at the end. We know there's no more conversation with the highway department about what's the balance about what the balance is or how it works or is it just it's just the number is there and then we book it over. So I think very good. Thank you so much. You won't struggle. It's soon. You won't have hardly any questions. You'll point my mistakes out. So that's off your tax collector hat. That's right. That's right. All right. Thank you. I know some pictures from Doug. Yep. Oh, that's her car parked on the road. It is on the road. Oh my goodness. That's like on the road. That's like the whole line of Why am I not surprised? All right. I mean it's terrible. I mean the car is one thing. The horses are back is And that is below Dot's house like downhill. Downhill. Sound towards Worcester. But she would have had no but she was complaining because she would have had to go past there. So they were in town. They might have come out. She was coming down to Worcester. Come out Worcester and come off. There's a lot. Yeah, because there's a payment right to the color. Yeah, sure. That would be the smarter way to go. That's terrible. Well, my gosh, that needs to be. That's a nice car. We can hire a tow truck and tow that. Yeah, I think I think some the sheriff needs to knock on your door and just say, lady, move your car. We can put it on the windows. Maybe we should get stickers to help people. Try to get the best way to handle this. I could have less. We have an ordinance. You guys were dealing with this out somewhere when you were dealing with it. But isn't there somebody that? Well, she had a wagon parked in the road and Wilson talked to her about it and said, you can't leave it there. And she wanted that. Is that an all wheel drive car? She did that off the road. She did say she has a little solar super room. That's right. I don't know that the sheriff, I don't know that this is their thing to do. As far as what we contract with them for it. We have an ordinance that says, and we have an ordinance parking, parking, parking, can't be in the travel part of the room. We do have winter maintenance and did you find it? I didn't find it, but I know from, because I was with Wilson when he talked to her about the wagon. I think the statute was right in my jurisdiction to tell you that you can't leave it there. And now she's got the cards out of the horses. It's though the wagon in the road. Well, if we have an ordinance, we have to check for a ticket. I can double check it and contact Sam. It's not the right way to go. I just spent 20 minutes talking about how to handle people with deli, with taxes, with kindness. Yeah, I mean, I think that approach is better used historically for everything else with her. And she hasn't done anything that we've asked her to do. Can you give her a head top? I don't know her at all. I think we could ask Wilson maybe to go there first. And he's a neighbor, friend, relative to something. Wilson, he's our constable. And he's dealt with her before with the horses and the wagon and everything else. I mean, this doesn't involve animals, so he wouldn't go there with animal control. He would go there as constable. I was just talking about, does that stay out? Oh, constable. This is the constable. That's sort of like a, I don't think you're a police. Well, that's our policing force in general. That's all we have. And then that doesn't do any good. And we've done our be-diligents to try to handle it. They're still removed from the parking ordinance. Yeah. And we can go to talking to the sheriff. Yeah, I mean, I think, and I don't know. Number one doesn't do it. Nice. I'm not sure that we have a whole parking ordinance for this. Parked on it. We do one AM and seven AM. Nothing about travel portion? Between November one and April one. No, that doesn't talk about, we're already past April one. Exactly. Motor vehicles parked on the public highways of town of Cal's in violation of the above prohibition shall be towed. But we don't park in motor vehicles on this other side. We don't have a travel. Is that Worcester Road? No. It's Collar Hill. It's Collar Hill. Yeah. Oh, she's in Collar Hill. Yeah. Yeah. But the above prohibition, nothing is no, she's not triggered here. I mean, nothing that we have in our ordinance. And this is. You had your travel portion of the amendment. Um, what are the use of town highway right of way? There we go. What does that say? Don't plant flowers in the town right of way. Right, John? Yeah. No planting trees in the middle of the road. Exactly. Trees and straws. That's what I was talking about. Oh, this is just to do stuff in the right of way. This is John's. That's that old one. And Winchester and they put together back when we were young. So if she's parked in the right of way and a car truck goes by and knocks her car into the ditch between November and April, but no, I don't think this is November or April. Not that it's not. You're still responding to a lot to hit people. Right, right. The right of way. Someone hits them. They're liable to a person who hits them. Right. It's a problem. I don't know if there's a state statute that says you can't check. I guess that's what I want to know because our ordinance doesn't have this. And it's not a class four road, right? No. I don't think we have anything that gets us on having anything to say about this. Well, we just say we've had some complaints and the guys can't even get out and repair the road. You got to move that car and keep it out of the people's way. And that's the only thing we can really do is ask them to go and talk to her. Motor vehicles operation of vehicles. Title 23, section 1101. Is that the town highway? Well, it's all highways and state. No person shall stop, park, or leave standing any vehicle, whether attended or unattended, upon the paved or maintained portion, part of a highway within that portion of a highway right away, which the traffic committee finds to be dangerous location or with. So what is going on again? So you can't park it in the middle of the road. Chimes. So can you forward that to me? I am reading right now. What are you reading, Jess? I can send you all. 23 VSA 1101. So that the shear, if we can ratate Gabe, we can also give her a call. And uh, you know, listen, that's you too, Katie, just because you're so interested. What is the traffic committee? That's only, that's it. That's outside the portion. Right. Or travel on the road, or within that portion of a highway right away, which the traffic committee. That's separate. All right. Well, see what we can do. Yeah, either way, it seems like. All right. Is anything else? Some of this stuff should be fairly quick. D nice. Yeah, be nice. D nice. All right. You saw the letter that went to the neighbors about the upcoming, there's going to be a DRG hearing on the change of use for the town hall. That's on May 6th, or May 2nd, I can't remember. May 2nd. A letter went to the neighbors, we just thought it was a nice thing to do to give them a heads up kind of thing about what is going on with the town hall, the ones that are most effective. Um, right, the support for the DRG hearing. Donna was going to come tonight, but it's way past her bedtime, so she's going to come on the 6th. Good night, Santa. Good night, Santa. Thank you. Don't get lost in a moment. Don't fall asleep at the wheel. No. I was, I was, I was wondering if I was stuck on the road somewhere. Oh, that was nice of him. Yeah. Not that he would have helped you, but. No, he would have sent you, John. He just wanted to know whether that, uh, never mind. I'll leave it at that. So we'll get Donna to come in and do a financial update. And actually, the timing might be really good, since we just talked with Sandra about town hall funds. Act 46 and the CDRPC, Act 46. The only thing going on, it's not really Act 46 is the meeting tomorrow night at the school at six o'clock. About the easement documents and stuff, but that's separate aside from Act 46. I won't be there at six, but Gregory will. Okay, good. Well, we want me to vote for you. How do you want me to vote? And he's bringing John Winston. Okay, good. All right, CVRPC. Anything? He's got dots. Anything, John, or CVRPC? Um, no, I missed the last meeting. You stuck in the mud? No, I spaced out. I got, like, I counted the second Tuesday, and I missed. A Tuesday? I screwed up. Oh my, age-related. Okay, so. Someone said, where were you? I'm like, it's next week. Can you call this up? Keep that. Senior moment. There's no way I can remember all these appointments and leave appointments, and I'll put it down. I like it when you do that. It's so easy. Okay, you ready? I think I sent it to, maybe I didn't. It's right there. Isn't it the Gmail, the Swim Community? Oh no, that was just from that. Never mind. Right. Katie, just put it in. It's in there. It's called the new finance at the top. It's the Word document, 425, 19 meeting. Yeah, or the onion. Oh, I don't know why I said 425. I've got 425 on the brain, I guess. Yeah, I think it was, I don't know. So they've got to be 420. All right, so. Not if you're in college. Oh, is that right? Oh, I don't know. All right, do you just want to go through, and we can do these? Swim committee. There's Katie, Lisa McCarthy, Dylan Burns, Lori Grigg. Those are all reappointments, and they're all one years. And then I assume, Katie, that this Daniel Kenes is to replace Mark Whitman. It didn't say that on your email, but I looked at the appointment list, and that would make sense, right? Yeah, Mark Whitman continues to help. Just doesn't want to be the committee. Does not want to be the committee. Okay, so I'm going to make a motion, and we're to reappoint those that I listed to the Swim Committee for one year. Second. Okay, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. And the new appointment would be Daniel Kenes, Kenny, to replace Mark. Kenny. K-E-M-N-E-Y, right? Kenny. Kenny. Is it Kenny or Kenny? It's Keene. Keene. Keene. To replace Mark Whitman also for a term of one year. Second. Okay, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Next, planning commission. Their terms are four years. We have Giann Olson and Ronnie Shaw expiring. So I would make a motion that we reappoint them to the planning commission for the terms of four years. Second. Aye. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. Gospel Halla Warden, one year term Andy Felice. He's the guy that's right up there. Right. Right. Right. So that was a motion. So, yeah. Okay, all those in favor, please say aye. Webmasters, this is a motion, one year terms. These are existing webmasters. Katie, Lane Karnas, Judy Roberts, and Scott Bassage. All right. I think we should interview Katie. You better know that. I'm qualified for that. You better know that. So it makes you a master at webbing. She's been doing it. She's been doing it. We were a spider. Basically, what's going to happen? She's had a swim committee. You get it? Uh, a whiff. A web. Oh, good one, bros. Okay. All right. All those in favor, please say aye. She's been doing it, Mike. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. We talked about appointing Scott as the second alternate to the CV fiber for one year. Absolutely. Okay. Is that a motion? Mm-hmm. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. And if Katie will have us as her favorite board. Yeah. Would you continue as I'm recording? Yeah, thank you. Awesome. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. That's a motion. All those in favor? Second. Please say aye. Aye. Aye. Dan monitors. And they were, they were busy. They were busy over the weekend. I think they knew they were coming up for reappointment. I think so. And when all this was going on, Artie chimed in and says, I'll help. I'll help. Yeah, that's a 24-7. Yeah. So anyways, the current Dan monitors are Louis Franco and Chris Miller. The terms are for one year. So I would make a motion that we reappoint them as Dan monitors. Is there a second? Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. And Artie Tulis as a new Dan monitor for one year. That's a motion. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Tulis is T-O-U-L-I-S, yeah. Tree warden. Neil Maker is the tree warden and Drew Land is his assistant. They're one-year terms. I make a motion that we reappoint them. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. E-91-1 coordinator, that's one year. Currently, it's Ann Winchester. I make a motion that we reappoint her. Is there a second? Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. That's all I can get to for this meeting. I'll come to you about the motion. What about Stephanie and Larry? We did those because I checked the minutes. We already did those previous meetings because I double checked. Okay. Dog warrant. Elizabeth and Wilson and Elizabeth. Do we already do that? Dog warrant? At the special meeting? No, no, no, because it wasn't on the agenda. You couldn't do it. Okay. The junkier to everybody's side. Well, it wasn't legal because it wasn't on the agenda. Okay. Is that the first illegal thing you saw now? Probably. I don't even know what happened to it because I never saw it. I mean, Judy never got it, obviously, because she gave it to me. Really? She said, here, please do this. So I said okay. All right, I would make a motion that we approve the dog warrant. What is this? Now that we're going to do it again, what are we approving? We are approving that Wilson has the authority to impound dogs that they're not licensed. Is this just something we do every year? We just do this every year and that way letters can go out. Okay, it's not because of something special that will happen. No, no, no, no, it's every year because people don't get their dogs licensed and they get picked up and they're not licensed. No, that's fine. I wasn't clear whether we were doing it. I think it's part of the state statute. It is part of the state statute. Yeah, it's clearly drawn in the statute. It's on the second, right? Twenty-second. Okay, I'll second it. All those in favor, please say aye. It lists the dogs out there, too. It lists the owners in the... It even lists the dog's names. I didn't look at it to see if there was anybody in the report. Can you multitask? No, I won't go down the road. So, I'll multitask you and then... We don't have time. I can't shoot gum and drive a tractor at the same time. Okay, so you want to just... I mean, Cliff did an awesome job with the RFP and sending it out and responding to inquiries. So do you want to give any update at all? I can say that of the vendors that I proactively sent the RFP to, all of them acknowledged receiving it, except for one. Of those who acknowledged receiving it, one of them has already come to the town office, met with myself and the staff, and did a walk-through to familiarize them, the vendor wanted to be familiar with what we had, so they could make their best recommendations. So definitely a good thing there. Do we have any accountability to let other vendors know that... There's a letter. No, I don't think we have to tell you. Why was that invite... That was already invited. It's alright. I'm saying there wasn't some kind of one. No, no, no, no. No, we encouraged it. Yes, how we phrased it in RFP. Because Cliff said if you want to do a walk-through or have any questions to contact him. Okay, perfect. No one has contacted me with any other questions. We do have one other vendor who we are meeting with May 9th, and it's our existing vendor. It's not something I... Have you gotten any more questions other than the other... Have you gotten any other questions or inputs? But generally, we did, as I said in the email, I said to everyone we had it published in the Harvard Gazette and it ran through Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, Sunday edition of the Month Peeler Times. We got any interest from those. Haven't had anybody contact me as a result of those. It's also published on the Classified Portal at the VLCT website. And I am perusing a list of other potential vendors that's offered by the Vermont Department of Digital Services. So there may be some other entities that I proactively contact and say, hey, this is going on and you're welcome to play along. And then I've created a spreadsheet. I won't go into it right now, but at some point I'll put it in the folder so everyone can access it because we will... Do we have a separate IT folder? And it's basically... It will help me keep track of who's contacted us, the questions and whatnot that have come up because what we may want to do is as questions come in, we may want to publish those questions to the website, along with the answers so that if other vendors have the same questions, they can see it. Excellent. He's done a great job of it. So that's... And you still are going to work? We're somehow going to work. While they're... Yeah, but you still got to work. While they're willing to have me, yes. It's another subject. Oh, dear. Nice sleep sometimes. Okay, thank you so much. Yeah, excellent. Absolutely. Okay, are you ready for my update? And then I was hoping we could go on to executive session for personnel matters very quickly. Okay, so my update... I don't know if you read it. I've been going to these volunteers... Woodbury Fire Department meetings. The last meeting, which was last Thursday, I actually did make it to it. And a preliminary design... I don't want to call it an RFP because it wasn't really an RFP, but that's the closest thing I could think I'd call it. Went to those architects as listed. And only two responded because... Only two responded. And we had a brief presentation by each one. And the group unanimously picked Patrick Kane. And just as things are, because Vermont is small, Patrick Kane actually gets assistance on projects from John McCullough. They're estimated project costs. They're looking at between $500,000 and $750,000. Our next meeting is when Patrick Kane and John McCullough come back with something they've drawn up to show everybody. And they're thinking they might be able to enlist the help of local people, their road crew, as we have done with the town hall, to demolish and remove the old house and the old garage. But we've got to look. So that was one option was to fix that house. Yeah, and it's just, it's not violent. It's just a wreck. Even the old houses, wow, it's too bad. Yeah, and something just fell off the house or the roof. The porch. It's not porch. Something fell off. Something fell off just recently. I think it got crushed from the snow. I think I saw it the other day. Maybe. Greenup Day, just remember. It's Saturday, May 4th. And the hours are extended. It's from 9 to 1. It's at 9 to noon. And that's to drop off. That's to drop off. And there's two drop-off locations now. It's the same one at the old dump and then at Maple Corner. So that's nice. I'm going to skip over three for right now. We had a meeting, again, another meeting I made last week. Tuesday, the 16th. Here at the office, we met with PMD Andrea and her, just kind of watershed consulting people. I think Katie just does stuff in the folder for tonight's meeting that you might want to work at. Watershed Consulting Associates. Yep. We had a good meeting with them. There was people. Larry Bush was there. Jan was there. Audra's Teresol, as you know. Who? Audra's Teresol. No, he wasn't there. So anyways, it was a good meeting. They did it. Toby was there. Alfred was working on the road, so he wasn't. But they did this ranking thing. And I think those are in the folders of the projects to get done first. So anyways, I just wanted you guys to see that, so you know what's going on. But I'm going to ask Pam to come to a select board meeting after May 13th to give an update to the whole board and explain it so she can show all the great things on the screen. Greta Greha has been approved. I don't know if you've noticed on the report form. They're looking for two people to work at the Greta Grant program again. I was going to talk to one of my kids. That's done. Emerald Ashworth Grant has been received. We got a note from Ben Greene a couple of weeks ago. He's the state dam safety person. And they were out a couple of weeks ago and he did a review of the dam. And I don't know how it works that they give us. Well, that wasn't, there was a contract. I don't think it was Ben Greene. No, but he had those people come out. Yeah, I think that's a survey of all the dams. But do we get on board or something? I think we do want to read a risk assessment. Risk analysis of all the dams. He's the only name I really knew. So I asked him to come out again and check out the dam after the recent events. I think I CC'd you guys on stuff going on with the dam just so you know. If you don't want to get stuff like that to know what's going on because nobody ever responds, just let me know. And I won't CC you. You mean the grants, the grants? It's the current upon dam when it was really wild. I mean, if you don't want to get them, I won't. No, I like to get them. But I always try to reserve not to respond because we're not supposed to do business. Exactly. I just want to make sure I'm not clocking out. Yep. No, I read none or no. And we didn't get it from Lewis originally. We got it only because he brought us out. Right. Okay. The only, the only question I have, and this probably takes us down a rabbit hole, but is, it's been, we have a legal opinion somewhere. So what point, number one, is does somebody have that? Because I know it all happened before. Yeah, we're going to have to dig all that stuff out. Because the only thing I wonder about is liability. Well, the extent to which the town appears to be engaged. I think the only reason we are is because we have this which we need to look at at some future meeting is this. Because as a town, if it were to breach, then we are responsible for evacuations and things like this. And some of the material in here, some of the names and stuff is old. Right. So we need to update it. That doesn't, by doing this, that doesn't mean we're, I think we own it. 15 years. It doesn't mean that we own it. Wow. So anyways, like I said, I don't, you know, I want to keep you guys informed. I don't want to choke up your email. You know what I mean? Because we all get enough of it. This is before we did the, you know, the legal agreement as to ownership of the man. Yeah. Yeah, maybe, I actually would say to take, take me off it. When it comes in front of the select board and we're talking about it in the meantime, I think. It's just enough by eyes, you know. If you're just, are you, I can't remember these. Did you just forward it to us or? Because here's the thing. I can't remember. When, when I've had this conversation with taxpayers who think, oh, we're not responding. We're not responsive. To who? Oh, anybody. People who send us. Oh, you're going to town? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so people who send you that stuff are seeing that we all get it and we don't respond for the reasons. Then it looks like we're. I can be such sweet people. That would be, that would be fine too. Okay. Yeah. Right, then we all have this emergency board. So we, we're all emergency management if something happens. But I can just be CC or try to remember to just forward. But just like you guys, I mean, I figure like you should know what's going on. In case you can't standpoint. That's absolutely fine. It's all, it's just like, why are you? You guys be ticked if you didn't know when the dam blew out. Right. And everything is blown up. I mean, I just feel like it's my, I want to make sure you know what's. Oh, yeah, no, I agree a little. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah, no, I definitely saw them. Okay, great. Judy's going to be on vacation the 25th, through, I think it's through the 30th. She might be back on the 30th or she might be back on the 1st. So I can't remember exactly now, which one. Upcoming meetings we have. All right. So we have May 6th, nothing yet. May 13th is a regular select board meeting. We were going to meet with the Cemetery Commission that night, but after the fair department meeting the other week, we're going to meet with East Montpelier select board and executive session. Jim Barlow is going to attend. I'm May 13th at six o'clock. And I know Rose is available because I asked her about it for the other purpose. And then we're meeting where? Here. May 27th. Here's the problem. May 27th is Memorial Day. We used to always meet on Memorial Day until last year. What do people want to do? No? I do not want to. Let's get your garden. All right. You said you were having a beer on the bed, Nick. Oh, that's not very easy. We can. That's what you said. So when, so then our next meeting, if we don't meet on the 20th, if we meet on the 13th. Potatoes. Okay. So if we don't, if we meet on the 13th and we don't meet on the 27th, the next meeting is June 10th. We can meet on the 28th. You know, it's a holiday, so you meet the day after. We could. Yeah. I don't know if people are available. Sure. Not at six. Well, because we need to meet with the cemetery commission. On the 28th. On the 28th. But Rose isn't available at six. Yeah, I'm available at. When's their regular? Oh, why do I need to do six? So we can meet with them ahead of a regular select work. Or we can do it at seven. Do it at seven. We're meeting for them, really. All right. Well, let me see if they are available. I wanted to check with you guys first. Okay. So do that. They have a regular meeting schedule. For the 22nd. 22nd. So on May 22nd. Cemetery Commission. I can't do that. Like that. That's a, I have a health center board meeting on the 4th Wednesday of every month. Stay on the commitment. Yeah, so the 28th looks like the best possible way. Is there, okay. Are you able to tentatively put that on the town calendar? Be while we're right here? No. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'll do it right now. Just put it down with a special select work meeting. Do we say the 28th and 7th? The 28th. Mm-hmm. Okay. I don't have my camera here, so I think it, I think it's okay. All right. Next. Now be here, right? Yes. Next is volunteer dinner. How do people feel about doing that on a weekend? Afternoon. I was thinking about seeing if we could do it at the town garage. The trucks will be all out. We could set up tables. Get it catered. There's a big space. All the people that do volunteer stuff at the town have never seen the garage. Is that a good idea? And it might be. It's highly scenic. Yes, it's very scenic. It's very aesthetically pleasing. We could dress it up. It might look good. Flowers would take the claws. And it might really sit, you know, it might really need a lot to the highway crew. I think they can get out for you to help me load some chairs in my truck to take them. You think so? Where did you get those chairs and tables last time? Remember? Well, you brought them. Yeah. I came here to get the chairs and hope he was here. So I had to make a cover story really quick to the office. Now I'm saying, oh, yeah, I just said I could borrow these because we got some friends come over and we're having a little impromptu get together. And now if he says, oh, well, you want some help loading on it. Right, there, there, there. Thank you for this thing. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's pretty funny. So what do you guys think would be a good day to do something like this? That's a good day. It's going to be warmer so we can have the doors open to the into the garage. You want to do it in May? Or June? That's black place. Yeah. Black place. They don't go inside the garage. They won't go inside the garage, right? Yeah, they stay at the edge of the door. Because it smells like diesel. Oh, right. They don't like going in doors. They're a weird bug. Mosquitoes, too. Oh, yeah. Okay, so town garage. Remember the caterer we had for Alfred's party? Yeah, it was a barbecue kind of thing. Really good. And, you know, they could set up and do a barbecue house, you know, have their grills outside. And then parking lot I was thinking, which would be nice. Anyway, we could play some music. I don't know. Just make it a little more fun. What was Mo's back here, I think, when they left the place? That is that place, yes. You're going to come draw? Yeah, we'll invite Jerome. He's volunteer. But I'm more concerned. I'm probably party-considered. And then we just need to come up with a date. And maybe the thing to do, maybe I should call the Mo's backyard and see what his availability is. He might be getting hooked up. Weekends are going to be crazy. We could do it on a Friday afternoon. I mean, I'm busy, but we're all busy and you'll find the best date hopefully we'll be considerable. Yeah, we'll be out, right? Yeah. Why don't I call this Mo's backyard and ask them how their schedule looks? Okay? Don't complain. Yeah, sounds good. No vegans on this select one. Oh, kitty. Cool. All right. Oh, we need to do some minutes. We did not do minutes. I didn't read the minutes. I did and I had some comments, but we can wait till next time. We're pretty caught up on minutes. We were. We got like three or four sets that we should be doing. Really? Oh, because you call us especially in the morning. I didn't read the minutes. All right. We can postpone them there up so it's no big deal. All right. Is there any other business, old business, new business? I just had a question where we can't make any decisions, but this email that Toby sent regarding the emergency plan and he said, oh, well, you could approve it on your meeting for May 6th. The LAO pain? Yeah. Yeah, we're not meeting on May 6th. We're not. And also according to the document, it looked to me like it would have to needs updating. Be submitted by the first. Well, we've been late before. Okay. I usually just let used to be Laura at CVR can see now. They're fine. I was getting that word. Right. Yeah. Oh, I meant to bring something out. I remain concerned. I think it's a basswood tree that leans over severely. Big, heavy tree means over. That's what like the was basswood, what they cut off of the top of Jack Hill and Moscow woods last year. Yeah, I just worried. I mean, it's leaning onto the roots the roots under the road. Supporting it, right? Right. So it's the roots on this side and it's right down to the pond. I'm just waiting for a big one to come. Can you send Alfred and Neil maker an email because I think Neil will have to do a tree warden year and why he did for that other one. Yeah. It's a good idea. I know that everybody's got blown down trees. Oh, I looked at my bathroom window today. That involved in someone. There's one going right there. That's if it fell on my house. It was pond row. You can go there. You'll see. You probably know that there's notches out of a cloud truck. It's a whole time. Yeah, so much. Definitely Neil wants to note it as a hazard. Then he has to have me. All right. I'd like to have make a motion that we go into executive session to discuss personnel matters. For one year, 13, 313 a three. Make a motion. Second. All right. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. All right. Aye. Aye.