 I think I wiped my nose already So many buttons to press in this show. Hey Peter, how's your kid? She's doing really well. Yeah She's in a childcare now, which is full on that's great Young dads good stuff My kid is at the stage where she randomly bats me about the head Like she'll just come up and just like she'll be happy and then she'll just do like this You know WWE style should just do a And I'm at the other spectrum Well, that's right. You're isn't your your youngest daughter isn't just started Gretchen cool. Oh jeez. Yeah Feeling all the ready Where does the time go that's that's where it goes Yeah, she waved at me for the first time ever FaceTime It was so adorable He was crazy Great to have someone who's excited when you come home as opposed to like, you know, it's not like You again I married you I know you're coming home I Most nice. Yeah Now I'm just Do we look kind of spooky in this uh void Yeah, you mean the goat you we just have that we have a picture of your goat. I guess. Oh, right. Okay, cool So I've just I'm actually just importing some photos so I can Edit my story as we record so just I promise I'll be focused though No worries. I don't even know how you do it. That place must be bananas right now. It's a little strange. Yeah Press the I'm impressed. All the internet seems good like this is all good It could be Purposely paying everyone off to make sure everything runs so they get all the price It'd be well, it was a nice move It was actually terrible during the event I don't know how they they continue to miss that up, but yeah now that everyone's actually left. It's not too bad cool So, oh Lloyd, let me give you a quick rundown how it goes So basically we're gonna do the top stories or the trending stories including the Apple story But we're not gonna sit too long on the Apple. Okay in the beginning because that's our discussion topic So we're gonna try to get through these in about 10 minutes. All right The other story is about the Sony unveiling of the PlayStation 4 Pro and PlayStation 4 slim AT&T is Exempted direct TV app from their data cap surprise surprise The Nashville Metro Council has basically voted for the one-touch make ready giving Google fiber fast faster access to the Utility poles now. This is the thing. I didn't realize was that the National Electric Service, which I guess is the local Utility owns a majority of the poles, but AT&T owns a handful and they were trying to Yeah, they've been doing that around here too in the Bay Area AT&T's been trying to block Google fiber Especially since they charge you so much for everything else And then there's the story about basically You can now use chase visa and the UK's and Tander and TSP cards with Android pay And then Android pay is gonna debut on the web or mobile web Via Chrome with Groupon when 800 flowers and a select group of sites And we'll go relatively quickly through these that we give nice Media attention to what's happening with Apple and Sony today. Okay in our story So basically I'll read these and if anyone's got anything pipe up or if I call in you or whatever But don't worry, you know, don't feel like you have to fill a bunch of time or anything. There's no pressure on that I will be filled on the Apple story. Yeah so much kill Like the Super Mario one was crazy. Yeah, I was surprised. I got that's the only one that really like The games were coming and I thought even there might be talk of it here But I had no idea they'd have they'd fly Miyamoto out here and have him do it. That's crazy. Yeah Crazy, I want to talk about that and I want to talk about how well, we don't have to talk about it But at some point maybe I'll just mention now It was just funny to see him sitting on the front row after his presentation Just looking up on the stage and trying to figure out what was going on up there Camera shot of Miyamoto out in the crowd It's weird how his appearance really hasn't changed with time. He has that same hair the same kind of He doesn't age man. He's some kind of weird freaky science experiment gone, right? It's a lot of fish high fish rice diet. Yep, I'll do it. Yeah, she eats a fresh rice cakes That'd be good See what else? So I think we're all good if you want Scott we can start right now since the cast is live. I Will hide myself It's today the seventh Yes, the September 7th Is it written wrong incorrectly? Oh, no. No, I just think sure of the day right on the file. So I sent it to you It's all Okay, I'll I'm starting audio here. We're good on this end everybody all comfy and ready. We're all set I'm gonna play a little intro do introductions and off we go Peter. I'll bring you in first and light will bring you in Okay, cool Yeah, let me just know quickly if you can see my video now if I jump in this way All I see is a goat. Oh now I see you now. We see excellent. Cool. You do not look like a goat Your icon before was a goat, but now you're not a goat Now you are a fully formed man Here goes Let's start this thing it all begins am I rolling over there. I am okay begins in three two one This is the day the tech news show. Whoops. Sorry forgot about the read Daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news show for Wednesday September 7 2016 I'm Scott Johnson and Boyle Boyle. We have a lot to talk about today I am very happy to be here subbing in for Tom once again until he gets home from Asia this weekend Smelling of fish and healthiness, I suppose. That's a pre-show reference. No one will understand Today we have someone on the ground Watching or has just witnessed the Apple panel and is getting ready for a bunch of hands-on and other reporting It is a regular contributor to the show and from the Sydney Morning Herald It is Peter. Well Peter welcome to the show. Thank you, Scott And can I just say you've been doing a bang-up job replacing Tom? It's a very hard gig and you've been doing it so well Well, thank you if he ever if you ever decides to just go to the North Pole live on his own like he dreams of doing one day Maybe easily just slip into his shoes and everything will be fine Very excited to talk about you and what you've seen both in the conference and outside of it We'll get to that in a minute also joining us someone who I listened to we would make guest appearances on the tested show Always was fascinated by what he had to say ladies and gentlemen is Lloyd case senior analyst a microprocessor Processor How are you doing? How's everybody doing great? Big goings on today gentlemen lots happening and there's plenty to talk about in the top story So I think we'll just get right to him. Let's go Wrong one. How about this one? Hey, I made my first goof Roger. Here you go So Apple unveiled the iPhone 7 we're gonna talk about this and all the Apple announcements in depth shortly But here's a quick rundown Apple plus or excuse me Apple watch 2 Was released and or they showed it anyway They're getting ready to release it also updates to Apple pay and Mario coming to the App Store and coming there first The iPhone 7 and 7 plus we got a new a10 fusion 64-bit processor. No headphone jack now uses a lightning connector So everyone's rumors slash fears were true WMW one processor is working with the wireless ear pods. They're calling them I think they should have called them ear buds and then no They're not ear pods. They're called air pods these wireless ones They should have called them air buds because I like that movie with the dog in it Anyway, new camera sensor optical image stabilization on both 7 and 7 plus models Shipping in September 16th starting at 649 By the way, that 7 plus has two cameras. We'll get to that more a little bit later the series to watch 40% faster Chipped you've got a GPU that's built in 50 meters of water resistance and dust resistance They say I don't know when you're ever gonna be in 50 meters of dust, but crack me up It's available on the 13th of this month 369 for the Apple Watch series 2 and We'll talk more about this Mario thing and all this other stuff coming right up But before all of that, let's talk about what happened at Sony just barely We just ended this thing like a half an hour ago Sony unveiled the PlayStation 4 Pro no longer referred to as the Neo It is officially the 4 Pro and PlayStation 4 slim at the event New York City today The slim will feature the same components as the original ps4 in a thinner more energy efficient design They call it and it will go on sale in most markets September 15th and retail for $299. That's for the slim model the PlayStation Pro is a beefier upgrade to the PlayStation supports 4k video and HDR Although they did say toward the end of the conference They're gonna roll out a firmware upgrade to all PlayStation 4 owners of any type to support HDR Output they did not give a ton of details as to what the heck they mean by that But time will tell our goal is to deliver to deliver high fidelity graphical experiences says lead architect Mark Cerny Said this on the stage during the hardware event today It also got a faster GPU a one terabyte high terabyte hard drive and an upgraded GPU It also plays old ps4 games, of course, like we knew it might I don't know how I feel about the name pro I kind of think it makes a weird demarcation between somebody who maybe just bought a 400 or maybe a little bit less $349 PlayStation and now there's something called the pro on the horizon I feel like those people might be a little bummed out today. Lloyd. Do you think that's a Better than Neo or An amateur you suddenly yeah, that's right all these hardware PlayStation owners just become amateur PlayStation players What about casual? PlayStation cash needs to come out But we don't know a whole lot about The bump other than they say things like 50% faster 50% better in terms of frame rates or 50% better textures and a lot of 50% is being thrown in but nobody's really Set on stage or since and I'm sure we'll get some of this out throughout the day But nobody's really gotten down to the nitty gritty. What is that GPU? How does it compare to desktop equivalents today? Is it even in in the neighborhood of a 1080 from Nvidia or is it something close to that? We we don't know But we do have a better idea of how they're gonna Kind of gate the games. We know that certain games that already exist on the platform will receive patches that will give them Quality updates in terms of textures and draw distances and other things frame rates to existing games as well as new games coming out that will have the same installation desk for either platform and One will just look a little better than the other one won't so much I'm real curious about what you guys think about this thing. So Peter. What are your what are your thoughts? I mean from what you've described so so can I just be clear because obviously I've just spent the whole time in an Apple bubble It was was there 4k at all. Is it gonna be a PlayStation 4k? Okay. Okay, so that makes it HDR as well HDR all right because yeah, I mean I do think HDR is actually more impressive as a Feature than 4k to be honest and then at least what I've seen both both kind of specs up against each other HDR does look a little bit nicer, but yeah, I don't know I mean, I've got a PlayStation 4 at the moment I don't feel the need to upgrade anytime soon But but that's more because I have a two or three year old TV. I think it's about two years old But it's nowhere near enough No, we're near old enough for me to even consider upgrading that or or being able to convince my wife That's something we need to do anytime soon. So Yeah, I think for me. It's just I mean, it's great if I didn't have a TV. I might be interested But right now I'm quite happy with what I have. Yeah from what I've been able to tell the PS4 pro basically they up the clock speed of the CPU the CPU specs are otherwise about the same But they've doubled the number of compute units on the on the graphics core So that's gonna be that's where a lot of the performance increase come from Better clocks and more more GPU cores. So that makes sense in terms of you, you know We're not talking about vastly different gaming experiences We're talking about slight performance tweaks and visual tweaks and that's probably good It's an upgrade who have been on the fence or who maybe want to get the latest and greatest all the time But at the same time, they're not completely shafting their existing player base by saying look the thing You've got as old and busted. You should have a new thing It feels like that was a big fear for a lot of people and maybe some people are still seeing it that way But if you're telling me that these games that I want to play real bad in the in the holidays are going to be on both Machines, then we're probably gonna be okay. And the other thing that happened is there wasn't a lot of talk about The the VR headset at all really. Yeah, that was interesting. Wasn't it? Yeah, I expected more of that I don't know why I expected that I just thought well a performance increase must impact what their plans are with VR I'm sure well, they really didn't say Yeah So we'll see Yeah, and I'm gonna say, you know, when I the last thing I played on my PlayStation 4 was uncharted 4 and that didn't look old and Busted to me, you know, that looks still pretty impressive as a guy who grew up on it at Atari 2600 What it means for developers going forward though It's they're gonna have to have different graphic settings, you know in the old days You've targeted one console knows pretty much what you did But now they have two architecturally similar consoles and they'll have to target so just different graphics capabilities for them You know, it's like PC settings all over again. Yeah in a way They're doing just that they're adopting a model that is a lot more like PCs And in some ways like the mobile market and they're saying well Look if there's a more incremental upgrade over a couple of years time instead of waiting 10 years for a complete revamp Maybe we can retain more customers. We can get new customers on board at that point I think the hard part is just convincing the world that the old model doesn't exist anymore Or isn't as lucrative as this one and doing that is a little tricky Even though the cost of this thing is 399 really not too bad. It's a good price for the pro I expected it to be higher. So the fact that it's a little lower than I thought is good And it's about the price you would pay for an okay video card for your PC, right? so if you can if you can show people that this kind of performance increases is a good one for them and worth $400 Then you can maybe get them on this like treadmill that PC people are totally used to and don't bother them at all right now It really bothers console fans to think that they have to adhere to this new business model So it's gonna be really interesting to see how it's received the sales numbers this fall will be telling and it will also probably inform a lot of what will happen with Microsoft's Xbox plans with the s and with What's the other one called their other new one brains went blank There you go well done and it was one of those signs Anyway, let's move on to some other news a lot a lot of stuff a lot of minutiae details about what's going on It's so many people can check out more of that online, of course And we'll report it more here on the show as we get to it AT&T has now exempted Direct TVs app streaming video and you verse app from AT&T's mobile data caps That's interesting when the FCC approved ATT's merger with their direct TV a prohibited AT&T I'm putting home internet data caps to any of its own content AT&T argues or argued at the time It still does I suppose that the clause does not apply to mobile data This is what they say ours second ours technical question AT&T about it and they replied with this We are not treating ourselves differently from any other data other content providers can do the same thing through our sponsored data program ours technical notes that the that apparently direct TV is paying AT&T to participate in the sponsored data program Lloyd another stitch in the weird tapestry of data caps pay us a cut and we'll treat you equally Yeah, that seems like a real deal doesn't it? We'll treat you the same if we don't treat you the same up front so that you'll pay us more But then we'll treat you the same. It's it feels like a little bit of digital blackmail Peter And it does it does I I've I don't feel I don't know. I'm not anywhere near as Precious about these kind of things. I guess I just because our internet space is so terrible in Australia and Well, like any kind of free data we can get I'll kind of jump on Does that make me a bad person Scott? No, no in fact Here's what makes you a great person you flew 18 hours to cover a hour and a half Apple event And you just have to write back and go home. So whatever you Is fine because I'm already impressed with your Fortitude man well done The Nashville Metro Council voted 32 to 7 for quote one touch make ready unquote policy giving Google fiber faster access to utility poles I wish they would do it past 107 south over here because gosh dang it they cut me off right before I I'm five blocks from where they cut us off I'm so completely annoyed with Google right now. It's not Google's false the city But anyway, well, we'll see how that all gets fixed for me I got so excited last bear was oh, yeah, the one touch rate make ready ordinance let single companies like Google fiber Quote make all the necessary the wireless adjust adjustments itself without having to wait for incumbent providers That means they don't have to wait for some slow boat You know got us in a truck out there and three guys and take it whatever time they want to get you know Facilities working so they can use them like a T8 like a TNT who's been posed to the measure To send construction crews however the Nashville electric service who owns most of the poles in the area Must still review the applications and inspect the lines before work can begin So you can't just go in there willy-nilly and and take it over You can't have Lloyd cases special internet provider dot-com come in and just start yanking wires around. Hey my custom cables up there, man I I'm sure they'd be amazing. Are you still doing like case mods and stuff? I know you were talking about that a bunch No, not much anymore so much. I'll build on my own computers, but I don't have time to do all the other stuff Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at. I don't know why I thought of that But moving on Bloomberg reports the snapchat chat is killing off daily local stories for cities features Oh, no, and now that I think about it once in its place Instagram is putting live video of specific events like sporting events and Holiday celebrations called the live moments according to people familiar with the matter 15 curators who worked on a local story in LA and New York Will be let go So that idea went away. No more snapchat local stuff. Who was watching that though? And who was that intended for I wonder I Don't know me. I'm far too old for snapchat. Do you use it Scott? I know that I I know that Thomas is snapchatting. He's a little holiday right now I just it makes I can't I can't do it. It just makes me feel so old I don't I Don't I don't um, okay, so let me put it this way. I was using snapchat pretty heavily up Intel The Johnny come lately's of the world in the case Instagram decided to implement stories and I thought well wait I have more followers here. It's more transparent here the buttons right there in the corner I can do the exact sort of thing and have these other this other thing just be the normal feed like usual and Not try to split myself among, you know, too many bases So I just did that and I like it and they're doing that some to Tom will put one here or there But I know he's still heavily using snapchat and that may be because you know, you throw so much into it You want to stay where your people are but snapchat always annoyed me. I think the interface is annoying. I like Behind snapchat, but swiping what direction to get what thing to work is always a bit of a mystery The interface is terrible and it really is absolutely terrible like I understand that you know Young people can understand it and work it out and memorize it, but I have a job I have a couple of jobs and and a kid like I don't have time to work all that out. Yeah, it's too many swipes They none of them my old man, right? Part of it is we've talked about on the show before a timer I have about the idea that part of the reason that snapchat appeals To a certain demographic is because it is a little bit obscure It is kind of a thing you need to be in the know to use to its fullest Extent and I think that's a company constantly struggling to figure out Outroads from that without losing that so they want to be a broader thing But not lose that kind of weird quirky Yeah, how exclusive are you when you have millions and millions of users? Yeah, it's a really good point But it's a very exclusive couple million people or whatever it is But that's why you make a very good point and so I don't know what their ultimate goals are I just know that Instagram's like really intuitive and I already have it and I got more followers there anyway So I just use that now and it's fine and I know they ripped it off They even come out and said they did they said look we Snapchat thanks snapchat And so they're not they're just bold-facing stealing it in a lot of ways and it's fine does what I need it to do So that's me Tech crunch finally in this our main stories here tech crunch reports that the US chase visa in UK Santander and TSB card holders that's apparently a thing in the UK. I've never heard of it can use their accounts with Android pay Google also said Andrew pay on the mobile web will debut soon on chrome with Groupon One hey 1 800 flowers comm in a select group of their sites So looking forward I guess to that expansion of Google pay if you guys want to submit stories to the show It's really easy to do that just submit them and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit calm big Thanks to everybody who submitted those like Flying Spatula Ned Jeffrey and others you guys are great. That's daily tech news show Dot reddit calm and we'd love to hear more of you and your stories. All right, let's get to the main story Peter You're on the ground Ground zero big announcement today and I literally am yeah, and you're in the What is it the Bill Graham theater or whatever it is? What is it? It's making sure it's not the preacher and it's somebody else What give us some of your impressions. What have you I mean? We'll talk about some specifics here But what is your overall impression of the event? Look it was an interesting one in terms of just the amount It's become really hard for Apple because clearly there They used to be able to hold all of their their cast to their to their chest until the day they they had an announcement These days the leaks happen so regularly and you know someone like Mark German seems to be up and nail exactly what every single Announcements going to be down to you know They're the the name of the the product and so it's a little bit of a shame You know some of their spoilers kind of get out before an event Which is a bit of a shame for people who've been watching these things for years, but um, so I thought that it was interesting that Apple clearly Knew that going into this that there were a couple of moments there where You know and I think part of it I should say it's part of it. Let's talk about the headphone jack first Shall we because I think that that was the one that everyone was talking about and it was clear to me That Apple started leaking these rumors almost a year ago to prepare people Knowing kind of how angry some people would be at losing that port and it was just so fascinating to see Phil Shiller up on stage and and when it got to that point, you know The way he described them removing the headphone jack was it was a courageous thing to do He almost he said it was noble. It was it was it was an interesting moment There were there were a couple of like murmurs throughout the crowd Because it was just nothing to press here as well So I don't think that it was the most receptive audience to that kind of That that spin but I thought it was fascinating. What did you guys think well that whole thing with the the Not to focus on that too much but the whole thing with the removal of the analog plug has been all over the place for a long time and to watch Phil Shiller get up and Give three very distinct reasons why he thinks it's the right move is Was interesting in the past. They've been a little bit less ceremonial about such things and Apple's famous for canning For crap canning a few major technologies when they were seemed like they were at their height of the three and a quarter inch floppy Or three and a half That went away with very little ceremony with it with the redesigned iMacs and then you came around to Not that long ago when they said yeah No more no more optical drives built into these Desktops and laptops and that kind of came as a bit of a surprise But again, not a lot of fanfare not a lot of excusing themselves Well, I think also the other thing is that this is really just a validation more than anything else of where the industry is going Anyway, I mean there's already a couple Android phones that don't have analog ports anymore And I think you'll see more and more of that if you think though Lloyd is that it's not At least the complaints I've been hearing is okay great lightening is a good standard But it's kind of an Apple standard and wouldn't I think that that is a problem also, you know What would have happened had Steve Jobs stood up there and said that everybody gone? You know, there's this sort of lack of reality distortion field anymore, right? Yeah, that's a pretty good point Yeah, so I don't know I don't know how that's going to be received But the fact that it's happening more and more across the board He even showed examples of some JBL headphones that use a lightning connector These all seem like ways for him to soften the blow a bit to say yo everybody calm down. This isn't us This isn't just us. This is this is something that's happening across the board and they still didn't answer a key problem Or a key question I have unless I go the wireless way which is I do a lot of listening and charging at the same time people go to work put their phone next to the computer Plug it into a lightning cable and then put their earbuds in and listen That's not an option anymore for a wired solution. Is there a splitter coming? Is that another 39 bucks? I like that they threw the dongle in for free I think that was another concession that they made that is something Apple never does is give you an adapter They want to sell you that adapter so the fact that they put in there I think was hedging their bets a little bit Peter It's just seems like they were going out of their way to soften the blow of yo we're taking away your your analog audio hole Yeah, I think so. I I'm not sure whether you'll see that solution. I mean, I think someone like a Belkin might might come out with a splitter that is lightning and And the the standard headphone jack. I can't I don't know I don't think Apple will if they didn't mention it here today But but I really do think that for most people the who want to charge at their desk Then yeah, probably wireless is going to be the better solution I I liked actually I did play with the airpods just a minute ago in the hands-on room And they they did perform pretty well I mean, I saw some people kind of giggling on Twitter that 229 is the Australian price I think it's 159 us. Yeah was a little bit steep for that kind of thing but Bluetooth headphones and I did confirm they were using Bluetooth as the the wireless spec, but Nobody has been able to say this and tell you you are the breaking news as far as I'm concerned Nobody has said what the what the tech was I thought well, maybe some kind of weird airplay thing or yeah, yeah Strange proprietary thing, but you're saying straight up Bluetooth. Yeah, apparently it's Bluetooth And it uses iCloud in the backgrounds to to kind of get to know what all your devices are and then to do the Automatic handoff between devices. So that's that's what the nerd in the room told me, but yeah I mean, I think that they're really really good you know, they seem like really good headphones and The thing about Bluetooth headphones is there is a huge drop-off if you if you go under about a hundred bucks a pair You're gonna get a set of headphones that will just Be unreliable to to connect a lot of the time At least that's what I found in the testing I've done. I don't know Lloyd. What did you think? From a distance, I mean sitting from afar I think that Apple handled it as well as they could have handled it I agree with you that the rumors are probably sourced from them as a way of prepping people and by the time it actually happened The outcry that would have happened if they just dropped it today wasn't really there Yeah, so yeah, and I think as I said, I think there's this air of inevitability about it, too I think it's gonna happen no matter what and so Apple can be perceived as kind of leading the way once again So a few more details about the phone itself the iPhone 7 and 7 plus feature a new design and color called jet black Also regular black black seems to be just sort of a matte finish Let's shine the jet black is super shiny. They really went to extremes including Johnny I'm talking about how it's shiny and why it's shiny and just how Did you have you had hands on with that phone yet? And is it as shiny as they would have us believe it is as shiny Yeah, it kind of actually looks like the older the old candy colored the candy shaped iPhones of past, you know the 3g and the 3gs that kind of hardback shell, but of course, it's aluminium So it's it's a lot nicer to hold. Oh, yeah, I mean it looks gorgeous I mean, I think it's a little bit Constantatious for me I kind of liked the the matte black a little bit more and and I did think the white was actually the nicest of the No, that's good. That's good to know. Lloyd. Do you have a preference on what they showed? It seemed like the high gloss aluminum is something they really want to push on you But did the other stuff strike your friends? I personally like that that color You know a lot of you know as long as it's black, it's great And they haven't really had a good black for a while anyway. Yeah, that's true a matte finish on a black Sounds really good to me. I guess long gone is space gray. We're done with that off. It goes stick in with rose gold gold White silver and then these two variations black Appeared to be the way they're going the seven featuring a hardware based Stabilization method for the camera which these six plus or 6s plus had but now the seven will straight up have it as well Then how they asked up one ups the seven is that it has two cameras That act as for in all kinds of creative ways. I was pretty impressed actually the gimmick I'm gonna call it a gimmick that has pretty impressed with this gimmick of creating depth of field in a way that looked a little Better than I thought it was gonna look I don't know if I was worried it would look like some kind of weird Photoshop filter and kind of janky or whatever But that was fairly convincing and he and he to help his his argument. He lied to us Back that the photo he took was actually with an iPhone 7 so how did they look in person because we're looking at streams We don't know Projection yeah, look they looked great and and it is a gimmick for sure But it's a really good gimmick. I've played with the Huawei P9 which does a similar thing It's got two lenses at the back and the technique is slightly different But it's the same kind of theory of using the two lenses and and working out depth that way and giving you a beautiful kind of depth-of-field thing and and that has become my wife's Phone of choice now because she's taken photos of our baby with it all the time and it's it's absolutely gorgeous the Photos she's getting from there is fantastic. So I'm the only thing I'm bummed out about it It's only in the bigger phone which I've got tiny little hands I don't know if you can see those on the stream, but um, so I can't really use one of those bigger phones So but either way I'm glad to see the optical image stabilization in the smaller phone because yeah That did make a massive difference in terms of video with with the giant phone last year So good to see that coming to the smaller one. Yeah, I agree Geez, what else there's they have this Oh the Apple logo is actually stainless steel. So there's something Jumped out of me home button features force touch technology from Apple Watch and MacBook track pads something similar to that Loaded I was really hoping we get like us like more of a screen-based button this time And it would have some haptic feedback work a little bit like force touch, but it appears There's still it's still a mechanical button just that was interesting. I thought they were gonna go virtual as well Because a lot of the advances in this sort of haptic feedback and force touch has been Moving ahead pretty rapidly, but anyway, maybe next time Yeah And the stuff on notebooks has been pretty impressive like the the MacBook the straight-up MacBook They're really super thin executive model thing that track pad I kind of scoffed out when I heard they were what they were doing with it And then it would feel the way they said it filled and it's actually super cool Right, that's some of the technology they're using here then I suppose that's exciting Gosh, what else new lenses new sensor new flash supposed to be 50% broader on where the light reaches and also 50% brighter And way better taken photos at night we're focusing a lot on the camera here because One of the things the iPhone tends to excel at during each generations and its iterations is Photography so I guess that's good for everybody involved It always cracks me up though when they put up a quote from a famous photographer saying I can't believe how great This phone isn't taking photos, but it's not like you're gonna see that guy show up at his next shoot with nothing Yeah, it's not gonna happen. Yeah, go ahead I was gonna say but you know, I'm still doing most of my Video work on the the iPhone right now that that's what's going to appear on the the Sydney Morning Herald when I When I finally finished this and then move on and upload those photos. So look it's still a good enough camera What about the watch? It was there anything in the in the watch announcements that makes you think that it could be something you'd be Be buying so I skipped the first one Thinking that it just didn't I just didn't see the value in what the the proposition of money versus features was I just was like Well, I had my phone with me all the time. I really need to worry about it for fitness. I jog with my phone I'm always listening to podcasts and books when I jog like do I really need that well not really well Does it have GPS will know does it do these things no can I swim with it? No, so they've added things this time that are making it a much more attractive Device and at a price that is certainly more attractive Right time to sell your Garmin stock. Yeah, exactly It it's got GPS of course built in which is nice I really was impressed with the the one they showed that they said was ceramic and Huffer and less and more resistant to breakage and scratchage as the set of word scratchage it is now Then then the aluminum model That was interesting to me and it kind of jumped off the screen and made me go Oh, maybe maybe maybe I want one now The working with Nike is interesting. Although. I think that's more of a Of a brand play than it is any sort of you know, I'm not really gonna gain much in the in the way of Functionality because that seems software will be available on all the models So that was more like hey, I really like Nike every like Apple I'd really like to have that branding all over my arm and that's what would drive your decision to buy that one But for the most part, yeah, that look good. Lloyd. Did you do you see anything here that pushed the smart watch forward? Somewhat, but you know what I think is Gonna be an interesting problem to watch or an issue for a lot of the companies I mean Fitbit and Garmin I was making a joke about Garmin but I think they should really be worried because this is at before the Apple watch was just kind of a toy and It did is neat things But it really wasn't usable for a lot of things that I would want to watch for like fitness Actually tracking my fitness without having to have other devices now You can really have one go to device for all this stuff. Yeah, and being app-based means they can be very flexible about it, too There was rumors they were gonna include like a three era free 3g or even edge connection Kind of like the Kindles used to do mm-hmm as part of the watch That would have been really interesting to have this thing be completely independent, right? You have the phone for data or anything else and I would have I think that would have probably had that been a feature And I'm not even sure it was ever gonna be but have that been a feature I probably would have pushed me completely over the edge The water Proofness is something that seems like would be a natural that's gonna come sometime at some point But what I liked is how they showed how they overcame the speaker problem The speaker acts as like the method to eject water from the cavity that is created by the speaker Okay, you were interesting if you've even seen that part of the video. I thought that was really fascinating Way to sort of deal with that and maybe other devices already do this I don't know but that seemed like a really unique way to deal with it. Yeah, the rest of the West rest of the device is totally sealed Oh gosh, what else they I think I mentioned the price 369 for the series two They're gonna still sell the series one for 269 Still get that watch you can get the operating system the third operating system for both You're okay there. No mention of anything in the 10k range. I like the It's too bad. We didn't get that What else the oh capacity on the iPhone, I don't want to skip over this They made it even kind of a joke when they first put the right They put these 16 gig 32 gig and 128 gig or 64 gig or was in the middle and then very quickly Schiller went wait Those aren't right and then replaced it all with 32 64 and and or no 32 128 and 256 I'm glad they did that that 16 gig needs to stop being a a thing for a flagship phone It's fine lower cost six models now, but that seems in line with what with what we had hoped for pricing Absolutely, and it's I mean I actually think it's not that bad when it comes to an Android phone just because Google photos does a much better job of Working out what what is on your phone and what can be pushed to the cloud? So I actually don't run into storage issues anywhere near as much on an Android phone as I do on an iPhone Yeah, there's something about because the cloud system is not as robust or as reliable as as Google's I I don't want to you know give my life to them. I don't want to trust them with my precious memories So yeah, I tend to kind of hoard things on on the iPhone. So yeah, really good to see the the the upgrades there Who's the this so the earbuds somebody was I was doing a live stream of the coverage and the earbuds said Or somebody in the chat room said the earbuds remind him of low bot was that his name? Our wars with the kind of things attached. Yes, right to me. It just looked like some futuristic Gadica looking communication device But I think of all the stuff they showed I'm most excited about those and I don't really know why I don't even care I'm gonna lose these they're one of those is going in the toilet. I know it I like what they've done with the processors, too. I mean Yeah, in an interesting way I mean they've gone with the sort of arm big little approach and it's it's very interesting because Apple is one of the few companies that roll their own arm processors as opposed to just licensing cores from arm And you know the fact that they have these big and small quad, you know in to dual processor clusters is very interesting Are you so tell me what do you know about the way that these work? So so the way this works is a quad core processor and they have big ones and they've got the small ones They're calling a high efficiency processors. Yeah, and and those are you know do a lot of the background stuff like when you're doing Normally like for example when you're walking around here collecting what you're walking data, right? The little m1 whatever they call it now is sort of counting steps And then every now and then it'll it'll push stuff up the main processors that do something with it Well now I can push stuff up to this little processors a lot less juice and keep the battery life Longer that's one of the reasons they're getting more battery life out of this Well, that was my big question though since they only are touting an additional two hours of battery life on the s and one hour battery life No, I'm sorry two on the seven and two seven s or three on the seven s whatever it was or maybe was one and two Anyway, they that seemed great and all I'm always happy to get more battery life But it seemed like you're not actually gaining that much battery life Given how much they focused on what these four cores were gonna do The question is how much thinner and lighter are these phones? Yeah, that's a good Are they are the you know, do they increase the battery life without actually making the batteries bigger if that's the case? And that's pretty impressive. Did you Peter have any word there on the floor about? Actual pounds if they go any thinner they just they didn't talk about it on stage, which usually means no means it's about the same Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. You're breaking up a bit. So just feel free to cut me off if I'm too choppy, but Yeah, they didn't feel any different in the hand And so are they so I guess the the big rumor was well if they're getting rid of the analog Output for our for headphones. That's gonna give them all kinds of reasons to be a thinner Sleeker phone, but that didn't seem to happen here. Maybe they just filled it with battery or something else There you go. Hey, look at this to Camera now and I'm sorry. I got to skip down here. I'm all over the place So I've kind of skipped around. Oh, yeah, a couple of the things that are interesting from the services side Apple pays coming to Japan in October They have added Felice, how do you say that one felica? Whatever it is mobile payment technology developed. Am I saying that right? Felica, yeah, Felica Felica Felica mobile payment technology developed by Sony and Let's see this they're adding that to the iPhone 7 and Apple Watch series 2 and you can offer that as a payment system While you're in Japan, so that's good for those folks in Japan Dates we have the 7 and 7 plus hitting September 16th pre-order start on the 9th. I believe that's this week and The jet black iPhone 7 is here with water resistant body better cameras and so on By the way, I don't think the water resistant is there was some difference between the black the jet black one and the other ones And now I don't remember what it was. I meant to write that down The the difference is the jet black is only available in the 128 and 256 models Okay, yeah, yeah The 810 chip 40% faster they call it fusion and Are claiming 50% faster graphics than the previous model? by the way that front-facing camera for all your selfies and whatnot seven megapixels and That seems pretty good. I what is the current one five? I believe right? And what else I think we've covered everything that they talked about Now they did yeah I'm glad you I'm glad you took my bait. So here's something that happened that nobody was gonna happen We all knew Nintendo was dipping their feet in mobile waters. We've heard about it We had a little bit involvement with them with the Pokemon company in terms of what they own of it And what happened with Pokemon go which probably was a big eye-opener for them They're also working with companies in Japan to bring mobile experiences here They've already built some mobile games based on Duns or dragons, and I forgot the name of that game But anyway, there's a Mario version of it and get that on the 3ds. That's not quite a foray into mobile They did make that me thing me Tomo game. I Barely call it a game though, and we know there's something from Animal Crossing coming coming But we didn't think that they would get up on stage and go now join on stage with us Shiguro moomoto from Japan all the way here to get up and talk about you know This guy's a legend legend in video games The biggest name you could have had from Nintendo come and get on stage was there to introduce a Mario game And then they announced it would be an endless runner and my heart sank about three inches in my Yeah, it wasn't a terrible looking endless runner though I mean you can that there are some really awful ones out there. It looked okay. I thought it looked okay Realized like straight away. I was like, oh, where's Mario Kart and then realized well hang on Just give them a second like you didn't even expect this to happen Just enjoy what was what has happened in front of you right now, but yeah, it was incredible It was incredible to see Nintendo and Apple on stage together. I mean that that's some childhood dreams right there Well, that's but that wasn't gonna be my next next question. Lloyd you find this Um, I don't know a shocking set of events to see I think it was pretty amazing. Yes and We'll just have to wait and see if there's more stuff coming me I mean, is this a one-off was or are they actually gonna do You know dive into it in a big way Well, the the talk is that they have plans with DNA and other companies working with them, right? To bring lots of mobile experiences now whether those are ports of old stuff or brand new experiences Like this is sort of a brand new experience I suppose it looked like Super Mario Brothers Like they've been making the last few years just an endless manner take on that same engine that's seeing graphic everything So I hope it's original content. They also have you know a business very much tied up in portable Yeah, so I don't know like just the fact that he's up there even if nothing comes from this Was weird and kind of monumental and in one way very exciting in other ways kind of sad because you're like Oh no, Nintendo's finally having to I didn't hear the e-word thrown around these They say anything about exclusive or was or is there a shot that this is gonna be an Android as well use the f-word a lot Which was first So I think first You know Android will absolutely get it. There's no question and how soon who knows but but they are getting a timed exclusive For this launch of this game, but I fully expect it to be that Nintendo's not gonna have any kind of You know, they're gonna be agnostic to platforms. I think but saying that Nintendo's making a video game for a platform that Isn't theirs hasn't happened. What like the Amiga or something like way back in the day the Commodore 64 the Donkey Kong that was on the Coleco vision or something. They don't do this anymore So it's a sign of the times. It's a sign of the industry just a shift that I'm seeing him up on stage and you know Having just shook hands with Tim Cook is just a weird. That is a weird happenstance. So Let's see what comes of it. Who knows Well, there you go. That's our coverage. I feel like we're you know, obviously, this is kind of all over the place There's still a lot to digest obviously Peter you still have lots to get hands-on with what are your plans for the rest of the time? They're you gonna be able to mess with as much stuff as you want Yeah, look, I've had a little bit of a play with most of the new gear right now I the ceramic Apple watch actually it is gorgeous It's it's the one to get if you feel the need to buy an Apple watch I don't know. It's still still a hard sell. I think for a lot of people and to decide whether they need one of those But yeah, it was fantastic. I don't know. I really liked I thought it was I'm sure it's an event That Wall Street are probably not gonna be all that happy about I'm sure the stock's gonna tank although Nintendo stock is probably gonna do very well out of it but you know overall as just a fan of you know incremental updates and and a really Polish device getting even more polished to it. I thought it was actually a pretty good event Lloyd any final thoughts on the Apple stuff that happened a I agree with that that it's basically mainly in incremental advances I mean, it's all cosmetic and some user nice user experience additions like the camera The thing about Nintendo is Apple's putting a stake in the ground and saying, you know We are now really invested in gaming which is something they haven't been sort of tentative about in the past, right? I mean, they've always talked a little bit about games and their announcements But Steve Jobs is not a big fan of gaming in general, but I think as as Apple's move forward They've started to embrace a little more. Well, they have to you see the money rolling in on even just Pokemon go alone It's right. Oh ignore that and I think that they're finally coming around on it I agree with pretty much everything you said. It is also yet another conference where since maybe Probably the iPad we really haven't had one of those conferences where Apple is blowing anybody's mind within with a revolutionary product And I know we expect this from them and maybe that's wrong that we do that But every one of these that comes and it's just sort of an iterative update on things We already know I always leave a little bit disappointed that being said I want the new phone I think I want the watch and I'll play your stupid Mario endless runner. I'll do it I'll give you money for that. No, because I'm a fan and I like Mario If you guys have some thoughts on today's coverage, let us know send us emails feedback at the tech news show dot com I'm gonna read a quick email. This is from Sam in Oregon and wanted to share his thoughts on an old versus new technology I think this came from a lot of the conversation. We had earlier in the week I enjoyed the conversation about old versus new a couple of points number one new for the sake of new is Pointless unless you need new functionality or the functionality a command line system in the hands of A capable operator can be very fast and run on old underpowered systems Most of the new systems have increased graphical capabilities, but as far as helping you Airline or helping your airline be on time. I'm trying to understand what a fancy gooey would do for that And to customer service is still the best thing to do for a business If a new tool helps you serve the customer better than by all means it's a good investment Unfortunately in the tech world. We are obsessed by the shiny new object like shiny black or whatever it's called But if you don't lead to Customer experience and it's probably not worth the investment Sam the small business owner in Oregon Well, Sam with your fancy doughnuts and all your hipster stuff over there. I think I agree with you We talked about this idea of of the mixing of old and new and two Complicated of systems and and airlines being behind and and new companies being more agile because they started fresher And don't have to go redo a bunch of stuff and what it cost to do it And and I think these are two good guidelines if it's not really bringing anything new to the table Then maybe you don't need it and if it's not directly helping you interface with your core customer, then what's the point? So, yeah, I think that actually also gives you know the tech technology makers and manufacturers something to shoot for Get those two targets and we got a better deal going Thank You Sam and Oregon and we hope your small business continues to do well feedback at daily tech news show Com all right. I want to thank our guests for being here Peter Wells writer for the city morning Harold all the way from Australia In California right there in the Bay Area to witness this great event and then you're right back on a plane back home What else can you tell us about where you're going to be where your coverage is going to be? Yeah, if you want to follow me just follow me on Twitter. It's Peter Wells On Twitter this yeah, and I should have a couple of stories going up to the city morning Harold I've been watching the notifications pop up on my phone as we chatted So it seems like there's there's some stories up there already So yeah, just follow that and then I will be on a plane for 14 hours because that's sounds like fun Real blast doesn't it? Lloyd it's a pleasure to finally meet you and work with you on the show I hope we get to do this again. Tell people where they can find you Yep, you can find me also on Twitter at Lloyd case and as well as my blog at uncertainty.com If you make a website called case mod Your name right see that's a good idea. I've never bet you've never heard that one before not ever Well, it's awesome to have you both. Thank you so much and thank you everybody for listening Hey, if you're sick of me good news Tom will be home and Starting next weekend. It is all Tom all the time. I'll be back in my usual co-hosting spot on Wednesdays But big thanks for letting me sit in here Tom and we hope you had a really really great trip Thanks, everybody who subscribes to the show go to daily tech news or sorry daily tech headlines comm for the headline show If you just need more news in your life That's a great place to do it. That is at daily tech headlines comm support the show at daily tech news show comm Slash support. Oh, what else? Don't forget. 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Yeah, let me know if you want me again Let me we're gonna go through the show titles that the Audience for the live audience votes on first one we have is one less thing Lugin to Steve Jobs It's it's funny it's sad, but it's really funny The second one is the new iPhone 7 jacks off Apple faithful When there's total room for a jack, but they leave it off and it dies Fro is for his products I know what that is you want to know what that is we kept track today by the way It was 12 instances of this when Tim Cook says products. It's part of his Alabama Yeah, so that's like a stupid thing. We're not using He's droll was a little bit a little bit better this time around he was a little bit faster Yeah, a little bit more comfortable in his face. I noticed that too. I thought that was interesting He also was up there lesson. He had a lot of help today a lot more people up there Yeah, two airs in the pod PlayStation 4 amateur pros and consoles The audacity of courage. I don't know what that's from First we got no headphone jack honestly. I like one less thing. I like one less thing too. It's a little pejorative But I like it. It's a loaded. It's a loaded time. It's a loaded title. It's loaded title. I like it though What about it for first I like to that that was It's one of the first the F word for first. Oh F is for first that's not bad Yeah, which is first I come from No, it was great Don't forgot to mention see it performed. It's not really technical. Yeah, you know, I was I'm always what that's not the same What that wasn't the same girl dancing wasn't the one from the video is it it is it's the same girl Oh, no, no, no front on stage. No, yeah, no, no, but the videos where that girls in all our videos That's the same girl. She's just getting older, but the When see it comes on stage and she's just dressed like a cupcake with a bow on top. I can't do it I really like her music. I think she's awesome. Super talented. She's Australian might. Yes. He's awesome But anyway, it's like Lady Gaga cupcake business. I don't like that. Yeah I bet you it's popular on snapchat Cool awesome, thanks guys Lloyd I'll probably try to hit you up for some time again if you don't mind sometime No, I'm the same with you Peter, but I don't know what your schedule is. I think I'm on Sunday. I think this is okay So you all right? I wasn't sure if you were here the entire week So I wasn't gonna so I don't plan on Thursday. Yeah Yeah, that is a promo. So you are on doing show promo Thursday. Yeah Well Australia is waking up. So I've got a run back to the hotel. I'll speak to you soon. Thank you very much And I need to head off anyway, thanks a lot guys appreciate it. Thank you Lloyd. Bye great. Have you you too. We'll see you. All right All right, I'm just doing some auto-leveling here Let me kill Thank you Alpha Geek radio. You guys have been awesome. Thanks for supporting the show. I'm off airing you now Quick to return to control panel and the broadcast. I'm stopping you guys have been awesome send everyone Tom's love and consideration because That's I'm gonna speak for him while he's not here