 Okay, so I would like to add the RFE final decision to the Consent Agenda Item 6G as in George. Okay, with no others, I would entertain a motion to amend the agenda. Thank you, Dan. Thank you, George. Any discussion? Hearing none, I'm favoring you by saying aye. Aye. Does the poll say nay? Great. Let's pass unanimously. So now we will go into public to be heard. So this is a portion of a nice meeting where if there are any members of the public who wish to bring something to the attention of the board, it is not on the agenda. Now is the time to do so. So those of you in Zooland, if you could please use the reactions feature and raise your hand so we can see who would like to speak there. And anybody in the room, if you don't mind raising your hand if you'd like to speak to something not on the agenda. No hands in the room. And Regina, or Chris, is there anybody out in virtual world? And let's move off of public to be heard and jump right into business item 5A, a discussion and consideration of community advisory board recommendation from S-Excess. And I know that we have Chief Ho, we have Katnisha and Jody. I'm sorry, I don't recall Jody. You worked on each last name, so I apologize. And give it a different chair. Hello everyone. So my name is Katnisha Rita. I am one of the co-chairs of S-Excess which stands for building equality, solidarity and trust. Jody Kim is the other co-chair here to present with me. We will be taking a few minutes tonight to go over how we got to recommending the establishment of community advisory board. What it is and answer any questions of our next steps. Our hope is that both the select and trustees will approve and support the information of the CAB. We have three documents on this. I think you all have it. The first is a memo from the police chief, Ryan. The second is a description document titled community advisory board of the S-Excess Police Department. And the third is a question and answer document. As we present to you what is really important for you to know is that giving to where we are tonight has been a partnership hand-in-hand between community members and members of the EBB. In particular, Ryan, the police chief, and Robert Lou Chen, as well as most recently Anthony, the community affairs liaison. What began with community survey continued with two years of work further to find the needs interviewing different community service organizations, other CABs across Vermont, and researching national models and the partnerships within S-Excess over the past two plus years has only confirmed that this is the most appropriate path forward to achieve our state goals. Yeah, we knew that it's not going to be our mission and vision, it's just to summarize that essentially, you know, our goal is to represent the birth community of the town and the city. And to really help me in the facility of the trustee. So that's really our mission. And in particular, to really represent the voice of those who traditionally been marginalized, that doesn't have any way to disenfranchise or oppress and to try to help bring those voices forward, in addition to other members of the community. And as we create the environment where rather than visitors can experience a strong relationship, yes. So that's really our mission and vision of the work that we set work to do. Yeah. Our four goals are simple. First, to break down barriers, build trust and improve understanding and communication between S-Excelot enforcement and communities of the town and the city. Second, to ensure robust participation in this process from diverse rules by diverse rules, we mean diversity of race, ethnicity, age, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion or creed and economic status. The third goal is to support optimal policing by understanding the issues of systemic marginalized members of the town and city. The fourth goal is to ensure the application of equal protection under the law. And so, you know, we individually in the community that every board would be an independent board that would be made up of diverse community work and then a three hundred team town, three hundred team direction. And that it would be established in collaboration with the city police, the police department, and that really would have kind of these two purposes. And that would be to facilitate that communication, that bi-directional communication, and in part to be able to help communicate and support the police department on strategies, policy, especially around the issue of equity, as well as the CAB really So, as our vision is that when these related incidents occur, that the CAB continues to serve in the voice of the community. You know, in response to the discussion in that the CAB, to be able to provide sufficient information around those incidents in incidents to really let the ability to allow for community feedback. And try to be able to create a conduit that will be able to do that and will save our community members and also feels a partnership with the police department. It's for our structure. In our Q and A document, we have offered beginning elements for defining those abilities to serve on the CAB. The improvement process and the beginning structure, we have initially left it open on greater detail for how the CAB will operate so that those who are appointed can help to define this future further. We have answered that one member, we have asked that one member of the SSS to serve on the CAB in its first year to help ensure that it evolves in a manner consistent with the original description includes in the packet. And just to kind of go before, I think it would involve the opportunity to and I would be willing to serve as a CAB member at the time. And we would be willing to serve to help raise the transition for community members that would come on board. And then as the structure would define, we would go out and give it a little bit of space. So you'd be on your seat essentially, you'd do it for a year and then the next round would be. Who else is going besides the community members? Are you going to have any staff or the police? What's how is that going to work? Are you wanting staff from either the government or from the police department to be the next committee members? So I think the way you envisioned it is that, you know, those primary six members who really were working in partnership both with Ron, as well as with the community, their community submission. Okay. And that they would be a part of the meeting. They would be part of the meeting. Oh, yes. The primary department is for those six. But I think just in the spirit, I mean, everything we had around that, Ron, Rob, pretty much, and then the land became our own. Yes. So in terms of voting members, it's the six. Yes. In terms of, you were mentioning before and it was in the packet about the need, the impetus really being shown from the survey and the community engagement process that happened. Do you want to just for those who haven't seen the packet, do you want to summarize what the findings were to try to help articulate further the need. So there were a series of like survey, survey that were done as well as folks groups that were done with diverse members of the community and the feedback that came back is that in terms of our community, or experience, rate them or other forms of treatment or behavior that they have in concern didn't necessarily make them safe. And so from there, as the best was formed, and for the last two years, we've been really looking at a number of dimensions. One, which is where the community by working out of the other way around. So that kind of where we're working on it from the initial surveys and the initial public experience is working with more student employment and kind of the need that we're going to have from there. Appreciate that. So within the description, which portion is this? Yeah, within the description of the Community Advisory Board, it talks about the focus of the contemporary challenges and has some bullet lists such as use of force, mental health response and some of those issues. So is the concept that when these events will happen, so when there is a use of force, then the cab will meet or the cab would have a different lens of providing policy recommendations where then when those things happen, here's what you can do or some hybrid thereof. But the way we talk about it is that I think there needs to be a process where the cab become informed about the policy, the procedures, how the department operates, and we've been educated in that way, so that many things didn't happen, that they're a base there, if you will. And then also, you know, that we need to do a good job in ensuring we're hearing from all aspects of the community. I feel like that kind of brown work also needs to happen. Great. Are there other questions from council members? Just one or two more I think. Okay, so, please, absolutely. Please. Grab the chair. Welcome. This is more of a semantic question, but the recommendation that says, Are the qualifications different from what's laid out generally in that list? I believe that the qualifications are there in the document, unless of course the board of the society that they, So, my understanding of the arrangement that this was that the town, the town is authorized a police community to be more forward with this department. And there's an invitation to anybody sitting in that soldier or you guys will be essentially an advertising employee. So you can set the ball occasion you believe or are those we would initially request. Yeah, I just There's a is this a frequent question question. There's a portion that are below the considerations and the qualifications that says it's important to concern members who ask for trustees to work to insure intersectionality of bursaries with respect to the voices of marginalized members of the community. So, to know that was going to be part of it, but the way you're explaining it will have an opportunity. It would be nice if they were the same. Yes. With all things that you deal with, you know, the boards, the three guys say the same. I think you're right. It would be great to be the same. You're going to ask a little more of you than the leaders of the same sort of work, not the same age. I'm pretty sure that work sees us the same way as the general flow in the same manner. And I think it's important to note this is an oversight board. And this is, you know, as I understand it in attending a lot of the meetings. This is a partnership effort to create a better relationship exists and persists. So my main concern in the recruiting process is that we have people that are dedicated to that work. And aren't there out of concern that we're somehow looking to run a six-way department with this? I will say that that hasn't been the experience I've had with you in leadership. I don't think it's the experience that cap has had. So I am, I have seen people talk about wanting to get on the board and make sure that doesn't happen. And I just want to, I want to say I am also concerned that people we are serious about this particular mission and believe it because it's going to make a great, I think it's important to make the relationship we have. That was great. And I want to make sure that persists. I would imagine that that's how you feel about it. I think it's important to set up to talk about the development of this has been a great partnership the last two years. And to be sitting next to these folks talking about sitting in the time of sitting old. This is an ability to work for us. I don't want to see that in a different direction. And I think that's what we kind of addressed. We're looking at getting two of the best members on that board to start so that stays on the right track. And then, and yes, or, you know, I obviously am concerned about this. That's kind of from a beginning I've been concerned about the being becoming a force like me or a force like work. I have members of my department that are certainly concerned about that and the right thing to start about. So, yeah, I think we're getting off on the right foot. I think we're going to be going on that for after acting with their leadership in this. And I see that as a positive force. Right. I just want to make sure that I know a lot of that's known in here. I just want to make sure people are listening. Later understand that the intention is specific. And that's what we're going to know when we were looking at what was to do with research. Yeah. And so, and, and, um, Ron had invited, um, a lot of people from different communities that, um, had some kind of awards and kind of, um, um, respond. So we able to interview them and talk about work and then research national. Um, and so I think what we've landed on is a good start. And then I get the good, um, compromise. Uh, and, and it does depend on what we're going to step forward to get it started in the back with this year. Which is really truly a collaboration. Um, and not one of Ms. trust or concern or, you know, use as a number of. Thanks. One other question I had, uh, typically would be appoint a committee of some type. It's usually a committee that's advisory to the council here to provide us with information so that as we set policy, it helps advise us of that perspective. As I understand it, the community advisory board here is not in that manner would not be advisory to us, but instead would be advisory to Ron and the police department more broadly. So how can, what are your thoughts of how we can be best informed of what is happening? I think that's a great question. I mean I, I would anticipate that we're going to be routine and communicating with you all. Yeah. Right now. I come to the meetings. And. And, you know, it's one number's about. They have part of it. So one of the names we were meeting in the group was shining. And when we looked at. How, to be overly restorative to the focus that we didn't end up serving on for a number of years. But at the same time, I think we need to establish what was that look like. And then that being, you know, the beginning of the order to be moved on up. It depends on what's going on. If something had happened, or if there needs to be a need for the communities and the whole community, I think that we would come and see and then they'd have to let you know what's going on and then, you know, with him as well. So we'd have to let you know. And that's where the community snagged us forward, you know. I mean, I would envision that, to answer that question, I would envision that as writing a report and coming from myself along with whoever is the representative of that order. Or would you all, the council and the white board that are reporting that, or what we're leaving under that? And obviously, I have to say, this is some of the results that I fully agree with. Great, great, because as of now, it's wonderful that we get our committee minutes within our packets here. So it's right at our fingertips, and we really don't have to use some of the read those. But certainly in conversation, as we all know, the minutes are only so good. It's not a medium transcript of what happened. And so having that conversation really helped to get further beyond that. I think we helped all of it. And I appreciate you hearing that. Thank you. Just question for you, my chief. Do you have a statistic author or somebody who's known that as P.I.O. or Mackle, is it P.I.O.? Yeah, I know that, too, but it's OK. OK, so I'm good. If you guys know or you don't know, then it's fine. Can I ask what P.I.O. is about? It's a public information officer. OK. I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean, I've worked in state police and we had a P.I.O. For state-wide, if it is our community, or if it is our community, that's fine. And more or less, he's in charge of the public information about one of the specific things that he's hired for was to be able to get to own this room and be responsible for facilitating it. They can usually have any information that they can report their needs and some of the facts. And then in, you know, the concern being that, so you don't have to make some messages. Like Andrew brought up the whole thing, but being contacted into the select board, the trustees and broad saying keeping things to the process of selecting candidates for this board, that's where, so that we're on the same page that we're, you know, looking for similar qualities or potential candidates to be going to this board. And the message coming from the board or from, you know, the piece of the United States message across community. So that's my concern. I honestly think that we're working through the details of this with the select board as well, but I believe it was a follow-up meeting long because this is the meeting of the board. And I might correct that. So that we, there will be a follow-up minutes when we get it available. And so I'm fairly certain that in just a few moments we'll end up approving all the requests here. What's the timeline in terms of advertising for these? The job listing is already given to the town as it's supposed to get. So I would think that we would assume you can get that, you know. I would say we would get started on trying to fill that with the whole supply of inversions sometimes. Great. Yeah, we're ready to go. We're ready to go. Yeah, yeah. I think you were saying you were talking earlier, two years? Yes. Or so? Yeah. Yeah. A little more than what we had in the morning. Oh, the process? Yes. It's been almost three years. Almost three. Almost all of the morning. I think it's almost 100 minutes. Yeah. Appreciate the nearly three years of work on this. Hopefully you all are also feeling that there's some momentum of accomplishment. Oh, yes. Great. That tunnel, or the lighting of the tunnels is there. I think it's important for us to do the work of getting each other to come together and understanding what everybody would expect. I think it's kind of a little bit of an interest work and building that trust and requirements. Yes. And then it moves a lot. And it's also interesting that SXS wasn't only about forming a citizen advisory board. I mean, this was one aspect of two different approaches to interact with the community. And this is the one that's surviving right now due to largely volunteering at the top. The others have to do with engagement and other things. But I also want to make that point that this wasn't a sole purpose, single minded. This is a solution to our problem. Problem that this was one aspect of it. This is the effort that I have to do after years. This is the problem. This example was identified as being important. But the police department was moving in a direction where they wanted to do an anti-uniform standard. So when we think about community art, we're sure we're going to think about anti-uniform machinations. So it was an idea to defeat a direction that our community was heading in any way and wanting to see that the police department was already kind of able to do it in that direction. So the services are in my mind. It's important to know that the likes and dislikes best is going to look at them on in those other tasks that they've come across or are going to be in a need. I'm really not about the need. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm looking for a new part of the piece. Right. So I'm going to add that. Great. In terms of the technical question, I see the end of the memo talks about facilitating the effort in front of some of the other five members. I assume that that's just referring to collecting the applicants and then just calling them and bringing them back to us, but ultimately still for us to approve them and select members. Great. I would entertain the comments. I'm sorry, are there any comments? It's a problem I can't see, Zoom. Let's see the answer there. OK. Great. So then not seeing any, I would entertain the motion. We City Council vote in favor of the creation of a citizen advisory board to partner with the Essex Police Department and instructs staff to create qualifications to advertise for members and facilitate the effort. So moved. Second. That's my turn. Thank you for your discussion. Hearing none, all in favor, signify by signing up. Does the poll say nay? Great. So pass unanimously. Thank you all. Thank you all for your work, for your support, and in bringing the solution. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Bill. Thanks, Ron. Take care. All right, next we have a discussion and consideration of those teachers who are planning the outline. This should work fine. Ashley, can you just say hello? Request? At the end of this. OK. So what you're not asking, I will pull it up here in a second. So we've been talking quite a bit through the budget process, and a lot of things we've been thinking about is that your city, what are the top real priorities and things to focus on over a five-year period. So we have been thinking through that concept, thinking about getting, putting an RFP out to get a facilitator to help us have that conversation with the community. And we just put a draft, very outlined-ish concept of an RFP out, and just this is a very intro conversation. Really, we'll get some input from you, people, on what it is that you're hoping to achieve in this process and the other ideas that you have. And then we can take this and refine it much further. As Ashley and I were thinking through this, we had some questions about do we need to focus on a vision in addition to, you know, there's been a lot of work over time, our village or our voices. You've got your 2018 comprehensive plan, design five quarters, lots of different effort, and just would be great for us to hear your thoughts and your thinking on how those continue to represent your thoughts about in those sort of values and vision kind of way, or if we need to do some of that work also. Ashley, anything you want to add? The village is this process, it is an opportunity for us to start moving forward in a city, to start getting feedback from the community of what their ideas and values are. We know that race started going with hard and soul, but that's been about 10 years now. I don't know how many of you have seen that long ago, but it kind of has been about 10 years. And so while we think of those, thinking of the hands of our soul, how our voices are going down to the number of others that I did that, I didn't think it would change, or anything else that we needed to add. I will say also when I was doing research on all the research that I did in the minutes, and some of your meetings, you guys have had to go come to your mission and update it. And then at the time, you guys decided to put that in the poll and work on the spring next year, and that obviously did not happen with celebration or attendance. So basically, right now, we need to just decide kind of the direction of when I had the strategic plan and how it is really decided and just really read the outline and basically just started to talk about the terms of the strategic plan that we thought it in and then it was about the objectives that we wanted to get at. Great. We do appreciate that. And I just appreciate the early look at this, especially when I think about the role of our city council really being the board or the entity that should be setting that strategic vision. That should be the first line to help implement the strategic vision that it would staff. I appreciate being a part of it early on in this process. With that said, one of the things I'd also like to see on this is I think that there should be some city council involvement throughout the process, not necessarily writing the RFP, but more so evaluating responses and being a part of that effort really to help make sure that our lens and really our touch can be a part of this process, maybe not the entire city council, just a couple members, so that way the process can happen a little bit faster. Because when I think about this, looking at the three phases of research visioning and the final report, in my mind, I think the parcel process and the report from that is good. It was a great effort. And my recollection is approximately 70% or so of those who participated in that effort were at the village residents, junction residents. I assume that there would not be much that would change, but maybe a confirmation with the community of do these silver represents your values would be a good effort to have. I'm not sure whether we want to spend a significant effort at that end versus the opposite end of the spectrum. Those are some of my initial thoughts. I think it's a good... I would recommend going... I'm happy to follow up on this, but I think it would be good to look at the parcel because when we got it, that was a huge effort. And when we got it, I would say from a government official perspective, there were things in there that people said, here's what we want to see happen, and here's what we'd like to... And there were things that were very broad and generic. And I don't want to get into specifics that. We said, what are we supposed to do with that? And so it might be useful to go back and look at the final reports that came from our soul and look at the recommendations and then see what worked in terms of how you verbalize or formulate these things that have come to us so that they're kind of an actionable... something we can actually do as opposed to some sort of broad strategic goal which we really, really developed for us to interpret. So that would be good. And I also would just like... I'm intrigued by the idea of saying you're going to benchmark our city with similar sized cities. I think that's a great idea. I'd like to hear a little bit more about it. And are we talking about the Vermont cities or how are you going to... Maybe you have a doctor to speak about. How are you going to decide what other cities are like or cities just in terms of size or what? So we kind of really fleshed out that it was basically the idea that we would go forward into our city and read the expectations of the consultants to determine and move forward. So the premise we specifically did is work with the consultants and they'll do whatever we have. So it needed to basically actually outline what my consultants should both decide. And I think in my mind it is looking at Vermont and it's looking at all of the little nations as well because we have some great ideas and great ideas in other parts of the country though. In my mind it is an actual search but obviously I'm not here with the consultants today because that practice is moving forward with that. Okay, thank you. You're welcome. Thank you for this. I really also appreciate an opportunity to talk about it sooner than later. I've naturally got a lot of things but so I'll try to keep it a little brief. I agree with everything that's been said. I think it might be when George was talking I thought it might be interesting for us to also go back and revisit the rehearsal report and see what we think is the same. I think in 10 years the community has changed quite a bit. We've certainly welcomed in new residents in new places that we didn't have before and our growth is in areas that were different than 10 years ago in terms of who's moving in. So I think some kind of effort in some kind of like experience specific to reaching hard to reach groups in a community is a big desire for me in that consultant qualifications panel. I think the people that are going to reach easily are likely making a big assumption that are likely to be people that maybe are reflected in that 10 year old heart and soul document. And the trick now is going to be how do we make sure we're reaching people so that we can future proof this effort 10, 15 years. So I'd like to find a consultant that's got some experience guiding communities through conversations around sustainability when they're a community like ours which are almost built out. So we almost can't really depend on our the quote unquote traditional grand list increase to mitigate our expense. So I think this is going to be an interesting conversation with the community about how we build a sustainable model when we can't just count on building. And figuring out how to identify a company to help us or a person to help us with kind of that. Mindset or that experience where they can they've done that work where they have that experience and knowledge base. Does that make sense? I think we do need a vision mission and a logo. And we need a conversation about what's represented on the logo. What has been represented on the past and what we see as the city. That might, you know, it goes with rebranding. I think we'd be silly not to include some more of that while we have the attention of the community. But yeah, I think most of this is making sure that we have a group that is skilled and experienced and creative about how they find people that are the harder people to talk to. And, you know, building people that probably don't that are reflected right across the street from there. That it's not so easy to go out in the door and you can't just walk in the door. There's all those challenges. So that's just a little bit of what I'm thinking about. But this is great. Dan Amber? No, I agree. It's a great idea. I think as you said in the past 10 years we've seen a lot of new development. New people come in and sit in our community. Businesses come here as well. I mean, I would look to Heart and Soul designed by Borders and Prior, you know, community engagement events or Shreds we had in various dimensions. But I wouldn't totally, you know, just I'd look at that more from a point, jump back in the same ball because we need to look at it in a different way. It's a really good point about thinking 10 years ago and just physically what even our background would like compared to what it does now. There's a vast number of people who are here because of what has happened. And so make sure that we don't just take granted what was done as the absolute reflection of current state. Yeah, I recognize how that worked because I think we have a lot more energy down here now. I mean, I'm kind of like watching people hang out all over down here out the window. And I can't imagine 10 years ago there was a restaurant out there where there wasn't, you know, so I think how do you Yeah, the benches in front of the kitchen in the back were not as full as we see people right out here. Well, we haven't really developed right here. So it kind of plays into the ball but that this is a never ending process, you know, changes inevitable and how you accept it, how you move forward with it is key to it, you know, keeping it engaged and viable and that energy that we saw 10 years ago and just finding ways to keep that momentum going and the positive direction. I see great possibilities that we're in great place. I'll go back to my previous comment though, just to say, I remember from Mark's soul we've heard a lot of people say we want to see big recent coffee shops in downtown and then big we we but then we also heard we want better connections and I don't quite know what that means so we see we give us specific stuff we can make it. Right. Yeah, I think our job right is to try to create conditions where that kind of stuff can happen and this might just, you know, just came up Marcus is here, he can speak to this, I've been talking about this the other day you know, people are feeling a little disconnected in terms of how they interact with us and the municipal government and this will also be an interesting opportunity to maybe approach this in teams, you know, maybe they're doing a strategic there are a lot of teams here that could be you know, leave that a consultant approach but it might it might be interesting for us to have an initial conversation about what are we looking for, not tonight but like what are we looking for answers around the constant struggle is how we keep people informed or how do we make it so people want to be paying attention I mean it's a two-way street I don't see my role is making sure I'm not going to do it or tell everybody what I just did last week I mean we have to create an environment where people want to be they're interested so this might be an opportunity to figure out what's a new way for a better way to and that's you know actually I think your point about looking around the country a lot of this doesn't have to be recreated a lot of this can be recreated from whatever community it's done we don't need to come up with something new the only other portion I would add on in terms of the research being done I think yes, looking nationally is great also some international communities who are doing some amazing things that places in our country so just make sure we're not necessarily being too limited in that sense and I'm not sure if this belongs to this conversation or the one I'm rebranding I've had some community members ask about are we also going to do a flag and are we going to do a song and so that's in this bailiwick those are great things to potentially engage the community on so yeah I'll just say we've got 30,000 for the district community what are you saying we don't need a song you don't want to sing it you don't need to the council choir we'll get that's what choir that's not good I wanted to touch on a few of the major databases that we can get to I do want to say the document that comes out in the living document it's not a document it's going to be presented to you and then it's going to be a self-guide and then we're going to do a community planning project and I don't want to have actual items that we will assign waiting for us to constantly make sure that we don't have a why we didn't have a plan for a minute I wanted to do something that is maybe an part of the agenda that would tell you what the problem was this month or every three months but I do want to be in the living document and something that at first community all of us see our progress moving forward it's not something that they participated in and they never see any outcomes from their participation as we bring as we bring being a part of this and we have a question towards it a little bit we really thought that we would pull it out and separate it we definitely want to add somebody who is a dedicated around the designer to develop our living and to come up with a different and different piece of that outcome that's not included in the part of the strategic planning what it was not to say that we are not going to get beat but to put the meaning on it like that logo, that long flag whatever it is what it looks like in the end so that's definitely a different topic and something that we will discuss also and then part of it kind of a community foundation piece as well find out how our community wants to communicate with them and how they want to be engaged within their city government and that would be that I would definitely put that in there and put that we can add the strategic questions around the items to get that feedback because we can be better communicators to all kind of the community that they are communicating with us to have a different way of appreciation so that's all that I'm going to follow if you have any other questions I would be happy to answer them I think that's not wonderful Is there anything else you all need to discuss at this point? I don't think so Does this check on anything with Amber? Amber or anything? I'm good I think you'll get ready to get the high points I think it's a little bit a little bit awesome Thank you Thanks, Ashley Thank you Next we have a discussion on the Land Development Code Amendment Next steps So, yes the LADC amendments were passed over from to Council around August 4th 2022 we're all approaching the federal deadline when the council takes action when the council is going on we will be at the meeting for one minute but it's a long order to the LADC the amendments are working So, because of the federal deadline I have outlined a schedule of things that need to happen between now and the deadline for this fall or whatever but I'll tell you right now with the amendments we'll be working on we'll be keeping a close eye on it's one hundred and a half this is a state policy bill if it passes it's going to have an impact on what it's going to do the timing of ourselves such that if it passes we would like to be one of the first communities to report it to the LADC so that's the question that we have but we are keeping an eye on that so that we can provide the amendments that are necessary the amendments to the amendments by beginning of May and in addition to that we are working on how to engage with the campaign to give you the word where I was talking about the LADC this is really just a brief talk about where it's also to provide feedback so that before we have to make my final decision you'll see the results because I think you'll have an interest in yourself for that as well so any questions so far nope nope so yeah in terms of the game what needs to be done is to have the opportunity today to make any specific questions that you want to make sure they get covered by the LADC we're running a survey an online survey that's the LADC China and Peru so if you have any any ideas about the specificity of the LADC I'd like to know about today there is this month I'm reaching out as well individually to all council members to see if you'd like to speak specifically about the technical details of the LADC amendments and what are the results for that so maybe 10 is when we'll bring this up again at city council and by then we should have the preliminary results of the LADC survey and I don't know how much we'll have but we'll probably continue to receive a specific shout out to that but that's a piece of the idea and at that point council will decide on the LADC amendments for public hearing for the June 14 council and we've worked in between those two meetings to update their reports based on any additional changes and then June 14 would be the first opportunity that council could approve the LADC amendments we have there if you want to make another round and it's possible but there's only one check that if you want to see any changes I know what the political might be so that's all I have very very briefly and I think I know what it means but I just might be doing this since we have a group what do you mean by green infrastructure development so green infrastructure we refer to stormwater management techniques that use plants and natural water retention methods so a lot of these include rain gardens and bio sails things that require a lot of space but it's helpful in my mind because it's more traditional so some of my interest is one of the things I've mentioned before just to blow this morning the things that I've heard from the community about that are of most interest and potentially concerning and our hands might very well be tied with S100 but in terms of allowing there to be triplexes and waterplexes within current residential parts of the community that only allow single family dwellings while we know that in the LDC it says that they are allowed it doesn't necessarily mean that at the properties that with the amount of coverage and the size would actually allow for it and whether that would conform to the LDC so being able to know or trying to get as close to the possible of being able to know in these zones these are the properties or the percentage of properties would actually allow for that as compared to even though we say in the LDC none of the properties would actually conform to it so this can't happen anyway just being able to know that so that way the community can start to think of so if it is allowed my portion of the community and this is what my neighborhood might look like in say 10-20 years should the community decide to develop those parcels I think if we get to that we can help before the community otherwise to say well the meets a lot of size of 29,000 square feet and the coverage is only 30% of the 29,000 square feet that can be of quality otherwise I can't way over the heads of a man and to build on that too what we're not a lot about is the snow with it you know is so if we're getting a loss vehicles on losses vehicles on front yards vehicles all over the property let's say just to be cut to the chase is already an issue and many of our neighborhoods so I think the concern about this if you're going to do a lot of coverage is probably going to prevent which has been my answer for a lot of it but it's not going to be now so what is the city's ability to ensure that this doesn't bring an neighborhood to the point of being a mud street because that's what that's what you end up with unfortunately a lot of folks a lot of our neighborhoods were built by families that had one car they did three or four and those are all over and it sounds like a trivial thing but I think that's where the mind goes when they think of like somebody in a house they think how is this going to appear how is this going to do with everything it's going to increase traffic tension so being able to address that for people I think it's going to be important and then being able to back up you know just to echo to carry on that is a big issue for me but the wind time put the six months out of the December one three or four months five months six months almost there's just parking there over the street you can't park there in the garage and then the buildings built 57 years ago they had one car garage people are trying to pull their vehicles off the road and you have cars and lawns and whatever else and it looks like a junkyard and it's we talk about the beautification of the community and I think people focus on the downtown the village center city center you know residential areas it becomes a big issue I think it's extending there's just a point where people don't have trouble living throughout the year we created an ordinance over the years I don't know what it's for it's been a lack of enforcement and that's the key of the community to look at enforcement looks good but the ordinance is out but if it doesn't have any I don't know it's worthless it's just an image let's see some enforcement but we're kind of limited staff on getting out of that we're going to have a community board that will hear about violations and all these great plans and advocate for tuition tricky yeah it is but small steps also just clarifying people so when applications do come we prefer to talk about the last few years about the community there's a good amount of people in our community that were upset with the development we had with the last few years and come out and felt as if they weren't heard because the development went in and it's not that they weren't heard it's that the code allowed for that development and we can only put out what we'd like to see in our community it takes private investment and then it's that ounce and trying to educate people on how it works and the process so that they don't feel marginalized or not heard they're heard so we'll take them in but hopefully you know you have to do something with that I think the point where the important point there is this is the time that development is proposed and the application comes in now that was when we needed to hear from people and this is when we needed to hear from people about what they're doing so I want to dive through this it was a long time ago when we got this but I don't know how much it goes into and this is what I have to do for myself and to aesthetics of the development of what's built some of our recent additions are our territorial entrances to the community aren't the most trapped and then we go into around the block and then we hear from other communities and you know out to and into separate corners and you start to see more effort being put into how the buildings fit in and how they look the architecture color scheme so I'm not sure because I don't have the experience how much of that we can get into sort of attempt to prescribe I don't want to single anybody out but I think that's a concern and I think there's probably going to be a conversation around building height I think hopefully this timeline allows for some of that but I say that I have to re-read it I think you addressed some of that though the access that was coming into 5400 yes you want to just yeah so yeah that's one of the proposals that are literally announced to withstand the signing of the World Bank that currently we release what's here this is to 5 trusts and that's that would be to more say SSX what was that in terms of getting the word out there these important assets that we would like the public to be to chime in I am putting together what the H1 is the analysis in the minutes of the hour there will be specific pages specific pages on how the names of the houses in and how what those changes are going to look like there will be an H1 on our the proposal as a delivery to the region of parking I don't think it's how this is supposed to strengthen standards for the signing of the joint association as we just mentioned a page of like 5500 specific re-instructions and also the changes that are proposed one thing to do that so I don't know if you folks remember when we applied for CCRPC applications and assistance for FY24 there was a transit oriented design project that was associated with this raised grant that the CCRPC is running for a number of regions in the state and it tied to train stations and development in close proximity so we don't have officially that approval yet but my understanding is we have not yet so that's going to be a two-year effort and it will start I think with visioning and then secondarily we'll follow with land development and it's associated with that I think the idea is not necessarily to go for base code but it's a similar type process so I think this what you'll have in front of you more immediately really great step of trying to expand that overlay work that is done here through the rest of the city and then I think we'll have more conversations that get a bit more specific and this amendment goes a pretty good way in trying to define some of those better public amenities and how sort of the private realm intersects with the public realm but I think that practice will hopefully be another opportunity to really get you where you want to be and I think the height conversation that it's going to have is going to happen yep I'm going to say see Amber stand up so I think we're always maybe in a public community and it's a pretty good touch to you on public amenities and I think that is part of the problem with most of the work he says is and I think and I don't know the answer to this but a way to again I know this process has been going on for a really long time and I dare say that public community participation in that but this is the time when you really need photos to come out and tell us what they're thinking so we need to be able to maybe focus in that to stress the importance of that whether it's they get a letter to you or they get a letter to us or they become toy consoles or something but you know why would you approve a six story building hiding in the downtown or we need to hear that now again I don't have a solution for it but what's thought of is you know stressing out the public needs and what else it might get the important for those things and those kinds of things that you try to get the community involved in chats and anything just to throw it out so to be clear this is a six story apartment not a part of the floor this is me right now in terms of a stretch of public engagement and trying to reach the people as we can this is all of this wait wait it is it is a tendency to hear almost as it can be that's the reasoning for part of it I do believe this will be related to housing and you know at this time when public support is doing the media would be likely to become a story and that would be quite a I do believe that I am hoping that will be able to add more to the information that they have and the survey that they have developed as well if it helps to drive the public interest I'll say let's put the stories on the table if that will bring people out at least talk about the process go ahead I mean we're talking about this with the development scene the majority of the development has been done by developers who do not live in our community like the King of Two right off the end and I'd like to see some way engage with them these are the investors in our community and getting them involved it's nice to get resident community but where the money is coming from is not right there it's coming from somebody that's developing it that's the key to this interesting point to make about backing up a half an hour to strategic visioning if there were a way to engage at some point with those large landowners today it is what we're hearing because we want them to they're going to build something and they're not going to read our minds on that so I agree with that I was just saying my only hesitation in that is just because somebody owned a giant property or could build on a property should that weigh more than the person who's going to live next to it so that's just with my head where I'm I hear that yes though not living there not having a stake in us not having a stake in anything other than personal financial gain versus those of us who would live with it we agree on that I meant more in the sense that we're engaging them so that they can understand where the community is coming from so when they do come and propose something we'll be more likely to say if you propose this way we will accept we will welcome it but there will be a there'll be something to take but it's like this is what we're looking for I don't mean in terms of I don't mean in terms of well you won't 20 acres so you get what I'm saying I agree very quickly so we've talked about I know I saw a hand in the audience so there are other public comments as well as if you want to zoom in please feel free to raise your hand and keep it up if you want to thank you thank you that's the junction the first one yes the thing that when I looked at the the first thing that I was most concerned about was that community because how the survey is going to be done when you say online survey I get really nervous about again how that survey works because is it I can put in 5 can I answer it 5 different times or how is that process handled in order to make sure that again we're getting quality responses that we're also getting a diverse amount of voices or are we just going to get the 12 people who show up on a regular basis so I want to make sure that how that is occurring is done in a thoughtful, strategic and tactical way that again hopefully involves as many people as possible I appreciate the dialogue concerning developers because I totally understand and I think that probably developers input will be good in the conversation I agree with Angel it should not outweigh those who live here but I think having that feedback, that information can help inform some of the discussion that will be so those are the two things but I would love to hear more and I would love to hear the specifics around again how are we going to engage the community on this and how are we going to make sure that we get thoughtful answers I'll go back to the one thing that was mentioned earlier if the questions sound like valid items you're probably not going to get the types of answers and responses you want it has to be done in a way that communicates on my love basically so I don't know if we're paired to that or that will come up in a future meeting but I think that's something that needs to be worked out and understood so so this is an online so the fact that I don't want to have to dedicate a lot of time to talk to you my biggest goal is to maximize the number of responses we can get before a decision in terms in terms of how we'll structure the questions we're working with as in the meeting on the specifics of that I experienced some previous a lot of engagements and I had an open service like this one is the strategies we use for quite controversial topics we would ask after encouraging people to read about the specifics of that we would ask first if they think this is beneficial for themselves and the family and then the next question is if they think this is beneficial to their name people or their name and then thirdly would this be beneficial to the city as well and from my previous work with that sometimes there's a difference people go back to high elevation I would add one last piece in terms of discussing anything to develop I don't think they're necessarily saying they don't live here so how much say I would take a different approach when I talk to developers why did you choose extension versus South Burlington or vice versa why did you bring their nice project here that's always important to know what are we doing right and what are we doing wrong that's valuable information should you get from a developer that you're not going to get from residents in development so I would say that's a no particularly for the process speaking for myself as one resident I've never built a 5-4 story building so I have no idea what this is like nor would I ever try to fight that that's really valuable in pushing that that helps us to have quality improvement internally absolutely and the reality is one story can make a great project that's true that's my way yeah we're going to bring our hands up in the zoom world I don't see any is there any other comments here anything else you need from us or one month thank you thank you look forward to seeing you more thank you um are we next so next we have a discussion and consideration of city business and meeting schedule and consideration of cultural holidays take it away take it away next next so we've had a couple of scheduling problems over in the past month last year to refresh your memory we proposed annual meeting and the community voted on it and we went through the year almost a full year before we realized it was brought to our attention actually that we had scheduled the information meeting on the 1st of November we were fortunate that the legislature was making a change allowing us to change that date um and we did and then shortly thereafter we got very enthusiastic about ensuring we reached as many people as we could for the budget coffee chats and scheduled a evening virtual coffee chat for the first night I asked over um I understand steps I was part of that I was considering a lot of different things and I didn't look at the calendar like I should I understand the calendar was potentially referenced doesn't really matter what we're trying to do the fact is that we did it twice and that's completely unacceptable um I think we all feel the same way I personally apologize for doing that so we're bringing this up again um in an effort to hammer out which counties what days we need to recognize how that impacts meetings pushed out for a year or two where we need to adjust um uh will we need to change any meetings um right now we appear to you know we're focusing on city council but this affects all all public meetings and scheduling um events and anything we might decide to do or an engagement we talk about it and really every all city business so you know I I think we've all been able to look look for resources I'd like to reference here from George Washington University it it's not in the packet it's linked from the packet it's wonderful and edit lists a holiday for many different nominations face explains the relevance of the holiday marks if it's there's a significant work accommodation required for the holiday um again it lists relevance if you're not familiar with it uh suggested accommodations well this is an academic academically focused calendar it will work perfectly well for us um it's one example but like I said it really dies into the who, where, when, why and what the most importantly you know what the expected accommodation is um but it's a discussion and I think it's you know I think there are some very obvious ones obvious holidays that we need to pay attention to but um I wanted to get this going as a as a discussion just so we can we can decide and have forward and really be more aware of um of this I think once we get in the habit of of checking I think this will happen again thank you for that I think that one of the beneficial parts of this we will have a calendar where I'd like to see happen as well is say one meeting a month we look at possibly upcoming months calendar and as a board just look at what are these events what are the holidays that are coming up of these which ones are the ones that we need to um that we need to possibly reschedule things for and also just to recognize and name what they are uh speaking for myself looking through the the various holidays there are quite a few on the list I don't think I would have been able to to recite and done a little existed until being able to make that determination of which ones uh which ones we need to avoid having a meeting here which many should not be meeting in those days or things that I'm certainly not qualified to um to remand so make sure that we have that conversation or anything that would be important and then also helping uh hopefully to inform the broader community as to what these holidays are and our plans there are some time accommodations as well and some meal considerations um right now we're in it's the front on and the question I don't have an answer for is would it be appropriate to meet before sundown and if you do meet just after sundown and there's another you know what what what's that what's the best way to make the most welcoming experience um and to be the most appropriate and I think I certainly don't have answers for everything in this and so that's where I think it's it's part of the conversation and maybe we need to reach out I think we do need to reach out to either members of our community or um you know the selection of faith that is in our community um that are around um to make sure that we've um been thoughtful and now we move forward especially just in thinking about when you were talking about this uh I was thinking of December and in looking at the calendar essentially every day of December there is a call day and so being able to balance the needs of we want to make sure we are an inclusive representative community that allows for the community to be a part of these meetings though at the same time by our charter we have to meet once a month and so something is going to be at some point in time so to make sure that we're not uh that we are being as inclusive as possible which it looks like you have to pick one of these I mean I'm but it looks like the GW wants to know what you're recognizing yeah I'm curious I don't know what what steps thoughts are on this because frankly we're not off and scheduling and we talk about things that are representative right so this is just a recognition of you know your thoughts on it and what you feel like is the best way forward yeah it's a great question and certainly we're very much a part of that mistake second factor on that I'd pass with her so I think getting some direction from folks tonight in terms of wanting to prioritize this and figure out how to do this better is great and I think we can go back to the wrong board and take a look at some of these and try to figure that out from my perspective I like UDMs just because you should look down through it and it's got that extra highlight that makes you think like accommodations for this one is necessary so it seems to me that's a good framework to think through like the particular holidays that require accommodations that's maybe the starting point for us to look at and you know I would I think in some way shape or form we've got to literally take these documents and get them in our calendar in such a way that locks things out and you know I showed Raj and Andrew I have previously done this because Cornell University has these and you can actually download on a calendar year basis into your calendar but unfortunately put so much information in there that's not helpful so we've got to figure out that right way and how we figure out what are the items that we're putting on the calendar and I think I think you're probably right in terms of some kind of outreach to our faith leaders in the community to get some input on on that yeah most of the most of the question went through two years of calendar most of the most of the questionable days there are a lot of weekends and other mostly so really you know December was an interesting one and and a lot of these move a lot of these move so you know some of these calendars have there was a couple they said I wasn't there with so it is a bit of if we're going to but not but I will back up a second some I wasn't there with also did not require a couple of issues so you know you can really kind of dive into the weeds but I think but I have heard different things about some recognising some and expectations around that so just having a little clarity and a couple I think would be helpful because I think the very last thing we want to do is to do this third time because we didn't ask a question myself and and I'm good so in recognising the recent yeah and having given us some thought and I'll say that I do have a family and I'm some Jewish I think there are a lot of things we have to stop stay out of the way but I start to go down a road too of being concerned that um there are a lot of beliefs out there how deep do you go um in the case of a city council meeting and as a one-off discussion and everyone should have the opportunity to participate in our community I think though as I looked at that situation with coffee chats and I'm just speaking for myself I know that there are others in the community that were upset by it I will simply say that I think that in recognising the fact that there were five, six coffee chats so there were many opportunities for the community to participate in the same discussion and we accommodated by having all of those opportunities so while I understand that one upset for that I start to question whether or not in that scenario it's it is a high offense I don't know if that's the way to word that so I think that there are certain circumstances by which the council should consider obvious avoidance of all of this and there are other situations where I think we are trying to do our best with the community outreach to make sure that we're available and accommodating I am not myself Jewish so therefore on that particular day it's not a day that I am concerning and if I am out there you know I don't think I would hope that no one would take offense that I myself on that particular day which for me is just a counter day would be having a community discussion but I would absolutely get out of the way you know especially where I have this in the council meeting and I agree that I think having some talking to some community which leaders have to bring into this discussion would be great but I think that there is also a compromise a compromise decision here to discuss and maybe these are the certain circumstances which we have had and these are the ones that we forget for a lack of terms thank you Marcus thank you the panel says and I quote we have two scheduling states both the relating to the first nine and the council and they take discussion with that statement the annual meeting date was the due to the state absolutely would I wrote a true description on January 10 it was discussed in the new universities here in elsewhere in the newest posts emails and conversations I even pointed out to you how age 42 could have here changed you did also simply change the career day at a large aid council meeting and to make a point in announcing your tenure in your big calendar for next year's meeting and they asked you to write it or to write a reply and then I quote we do not want to go through that again which is similar to what I just said earlier at an ex-sustitution Democrats meeting recorded changing the career date very careful particularly January 10-4 I quote stepping on the break Rajeevan helped me 20 minutes and asked me if I wanted to comment at the key of the day forum about long-distance situations specifically recording and receiving an inclusion and maybe only a little later are you able to forward the online chat to me for people to fit the first night of class over for this announce the information here in the forum you all know this is the first night of class over you knew it the student was not on this day more on this is right that there were several meetings with people that had pretended to be there as it's very often to be I couldn't attend anything so that there were other students to attend remedy it let us speak with some IT here I attended it the draft meetings don't show that I attended it maybe they couldn't sense it or sense real person though you didn't just know who was attending though I'm pretty sure he was on one of his days in Russia someone with a clearly named name is his knowledge and I know I'm not able to do it with my initials the word in this community is sort of typical of the attention and that I attended is sort of into love very much as those Jewish people are making a word it is all an incredibly disrespectful of a religion of a culture your constituents it is incredibly disrespectful of me as you learn to that especially the community that I founded is strongly the future thank you Reza do we have any more on this topic I mean I don't think we'll wait to hear what what would you think what would be the most efficient and reliable moving forward yep yep so then we have this discussion and consideration of Junene funding for requests so Ray reached out to me and explained that VU is taking is organizing the Juneteenth event this year it's going to happen at the S Experience on Sunday, June 18 from 1 to 3 PM and she was asking for financial support from the City Council the Council has also offered financial support in the amount of $2,000 the support we use to help cover the venue rental, food and talent there is in the trustees expenditure line there is about $50,000 remaining in there right now certainly will be enough to cover the $2,000 if that's what you would like to do any any more details available in terms of what they are planning specifically at this point or still too early to decide what's in the memo that's all I got for now questions? comments? no I think it's a reading event I have to say I do wish it was happening it's a suggestion but that's okay as long as I say what it is with time I think it's fair enough I would say she should support it yeah there's no other questions are there any more all move at the City Council for the second I'll say I move the City Council to support this year's community event organized by you in the amount of $2,000 second thank you Dan thank you for the discussion you're all favorite singers bye bye both say unanimously thank you next we have the amendment consent agenda for the minutes that would be the April 3rd, 2023 which thank you Risa for pointing that out I would so we're just going to need to notify the person that transcribes the meetings yeah yeah yeah that would be the yeah I'd suggest that you table April or the minutes and we can go back and take a look at that my understanding is there was a number of just an initial there were there was a lot of people coming on and off so I think this was the best attempt to figure out who was there but it sounds like we need to take a second look at that it's also how we want people to do the real names and the real names in the meeting attendance because it's not us transmitting what is what we've come to know after hours and hours of interactive people because ultimately knowing the initials of the time around I'm not the one who raises so we need to fix it so so what we can do we could have a motion to approve of the consent agenda except for the minutes from April 3rd, 2023 to be reviewed later today so moved I'll second all those favourites by saying hi all say great that pass unanimously jumping into the reading file and comments changing up a little bit do you want to go first sure so I'll just say that I'm not super prepared to give a bunch of comments tonight but my new strategy going forward is for me to take some time and really give folks an update of what's been going on over the couple of weeks at meetings because I know there's been a lack of output from me to the council as a whole so I think that's going to be a good strategy going forward to as a method to just keep better communication out there so that is the hope and then I was going to be prepared for tonight and then we didn't have enough for half hour or 45 minutes but coming in the future that's the hope and the intent of having this on the agenda and looking forward to it looking forward to it as well thank you Regina I have a few things the first and foremost I do want to thank the community for coming out to vote whether that be through the mail and ballots or coming out in person yesterday the turnout was fantastic to see almost 2000 returns return ballots I believe it was 1500 and some odd mailed in 400 some odd then in person it's not exact it's going off memory give me 100 a couple hundred away I'll take that as a win do you appreciate that effort also significant improvement from pre-mailing ballots when we were getting about 400 or so so loving seeing that increase also appreciate the community's overwhelming support for the budgets and for the ballot articles that were in there as I mentioned really appreciate knowing that we are operating the same view as the overwhelming majority of our community so it's great to see to be realized I can't go without thanking Diane Clemmons as the presiding officer for elections fantastic election from my perspective the board of civil authority who was there the volunteer in the board of civil authority those volunteers in general helped to make that happen having volunteered yesterday from 7 in them from 6.45 in the morning into 1 it's honestly fun it's enjoyable sometimes it's a task of opening a ballot and separating them scanning them it's not exactly the most brain-inducing but it's rewarding also appreciate CDD for allowing us to be there doing so at no cost her significant praise for the change of location there's only one negative comment I heard in my hours there and it was somebody who lived close to the high school who was disappointed that they can't walk anymore so if that's the only negative I heard out of that I think that's another win looking forward to continuing that relationship um I would love to also just to know when we get the internet fixed something that doesn't happen again and is that something that is given the contract we still have with the town are they Rob is on it yes we will get it sorted essentially what's going on is our firewall had to be replaced here at 2 Lincoln with the operating system of that firewall it doesn't speak to the access points for the Wi-Fi so they've been working on it and I will make sure that it gets fixed great thank you Regina I will say I agree with everything you said here but I also want to welcome Marcus and Elaine and gradually now our incoming city councilors um you know just to say Dan and I in our last meeting we were thinking hey that's our last meeting and then we just started and we we don't get to leave until midnight on April or May 1st so yeah so but congratulations on a serious note the only thing I do want to mention is you talked about this before if you look at the numbers if you look at the actual data I hate to say this but I think it's safe to say that the election and all the ballot items were decided before we had our information meeting mm-hmm and I think we kind of expected that that was going to happen but I think it adds it adds urgency to try to correct this we want some kind of solution we want to have you in informational meeting before you send out all ballots and take them back I think that we you need to at least get to that place um so and I I know you guys are going to do fantastic and I'll be watching to see your solutions but I do think you need to as a part of Andrew's strategic like that is certainly one of the highest priority series yes how can we fit the square pecking around a requirement that we have informational hearing within 10 days but the reality that's way too late in this process and so hopefully engaging the community earlier in the process will allow for that to happen possibly some we'll make it a lot better the only thing I have to ask is a question there's been a company it seems obvious a set of contractors installing some kind of line lines through our neighborhood I don't know if it's I'm not going to guess I want to say I don't really think it is but they've been leaving quite an ass behind them of wires, wire ties hanging wires trash like every other poll they're working on so it would be great to figure out who the company is hiring the most so that we could get their public relations folks on the phone and make sure that stuff gets cleaned up because that's just it's an ass pass reading wires and stuff it's just so I don't know how we find out if anybody knows I don't think it's BT their trucks are marked that's what I thought it was it's not BT there's like a core program we could call or something to say even better than that we have regular meetings with them so everybody knows where they're going to be physically so we certainly have contacts and we'll definitely reach out and make that comment very clear and that's pretty big great thanks I'm good Amber the only thing I wanted to point out is in our meeting file seven E and the global boundaries traffic change just to note in the future that intersection with south street and park street and river street where they'll all meet that intersection and the lighting will be different I don't recall the timeline I'm not going back to the packet right now but take a look at section seven E in the agenda for some more details nice change you see coming travel back to section 20 21 years or more than 30 years almost yeah, back tonight I was timing it I think we have more cards to go through on south street for the light turn in red and then we have another couple minutes to get through and it's just a difficult one hopefully this will help I just want to point out reading file item seven C as well just so folks know we put this process in for the utility bills it has been quite a while since the city has ever shut off anybody's water and that was prohibited during COVID and that ban was lifted a while back so this now just describes that we do have almost $74,000 and has to receipts for that and this next round of utility bills are due April 17th and we are hoping to not shut anybody off at all that's not our intent, that's not our hope there will be quite a process to let folks know about delinquent notices and then a shut off notice and then a shut off if absolutely necessary each of those steps about a two week process associated with each of them so I just wanted to put that in the package so folks are aware of that so if there is nothing else we that has brought us to the end of our agenda yeah that was part of the consent that we approve that all in favor of adjourning, please signify by saying aye aye folks say aye thank you all, have a good night thanks for coming out