 Hey everybody Daren's here lens here Rogers here Jenny has a day off. Just so you know don't freak out She'll be back. I'm a con flu Len thinks she's a comic on I'm pretty sure she's not but no I Didn't ship her Daren you ready? Yeah, no, I'm tracking her right now. Oh, where is she at home? Okay? Playing angry birds. There we go Support for the Daily Tech news show is provided by Patreons like you at patreon.com Slash ace detect. This is fpn the Frogpants Network This is the Daily Tech news for Friday July 10th 2015. I'm Tom. They're joining me today as he does many many Fridays Daren kitchen of hack 5.org a jk 5.org. He has gone there. It's so good to be here I'm so excited. We've got a great lineup of stories. 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I'm saying that Especially because today Daren and I are gonna our main discussion is going to be about the cyber Apocalypse that happened this week like pretty much everything got hacked or failed And so we've set you a tall task Well, I feel pretty good about it. We'll see what it come up with who knows we'll see we'll see we will see after the headlines a Person familiar with the matter told Reuters that Samsung will launch its new version of the galaxy note in mid-August Samsung previously has released new note models in September Apparently, this is huge news. It was at the top of Google news and tech meme We might get a note a month earlier the August launch would put the phone on the market ahead of new iPhones now Samsung's annual profit hit a three-year low in 2014 So any move by Samsung is going to be analyzed as some attempt to gain back that market share and increase profits And I know Daren you were an early note fan. Are you still a fan? I have had the note one two and three Or let's see. It's the four is the latest right? We're waiting on five. Yeah Yeah, so I skipped the four and got the stupid nexus. I don't know if I've expressed to you the frustration with you Yeah, okay, but anyway, I will be going back as soon as possible So this is good news for you is good news for me And you know what I should also point out that it was on the front page of so many places Including people familiar with the matter calm It was right there in a story with futures with stock futures soaring with PC purchasing declining and oil prices could fall and then some mention of the Samsung thing So it's good to see that you know, they're on top of it over there people familiar with the matter calm You say are you are you really looking at it? Is it really there? Yeah? Yeah, just link it in chat and it's all over No kidding. Yeah, well that site still runs. You don't have to do much Sometimes you can just set and forget technology other times It may need a little bit more maintenance. Is this a WordPress site? We should talk about what plugins you've got going Maybe it's time for we should talk when we're not live on the air actually Yeah, TechCrunch reports Microsoft's power by cloud business intelligence service will become generally available July 24th Power by tries to make it easy for anyone in a company to visualize data and generate reports using a browser The service can pull data together from many services GitHub Google Analytics Twilio Salesforce QuickBooks a whole lot more Microsoft has also decided to open source the library that powers the services Visualizations a free tier of the service limits you to a gigabyte per user in 10,000 rows of data per hour And the paid service is $10 per user per month with a 10 gigabyte and million row per hour limit Yeah, this looks a lot harder than the open source data tables Have you played with any of these online services to visualize data like this? You know, I haven't and none of these new like self-hosted cloud based services I haven't had a chance to mess with those. They're cool Yeah, I tried to splunk and you know, maybe I just Well, okay, I'll just admit it the learning curve is really high for these And so I'm looking at the marketing material from Microsoft on this and I'm like wow That looks easy the way that it integrates with the sales forces and the Google analytics and the you know other Platforms, so I don't know. I think I might give it a shot. It looks pretty cool. I definitely like the idea I mean I'm looking for visualization engines for data and that looks like a good one And and pretty much any employee that has the permission to access the source data can use a browser to access the stuff as I understand And then there's a desktop tool if you want to get like serious about your analytics So it does seem pretty cool. Yeah, if you do try it out, let us know. I'd be curious BBC reports the US director of the office of personnel management Catherine Archuleta has resigned in the aftermath of the office of personnel management data breach more than 20 million records were accessed by attackers and This will do nothing to change that fact or future security But when bad things happen the head takes the fall, right? Yeah, in fact actually it was just yesterday that she was saying that she wasn't going to resign She said quote we are working very hard not only at OPM But across government to ensure the cyber security of all of our systems and I will continue to do so She continued to do so for about 24 hours I Gadget reports Blackberry and Google announced BES 12 now supports Android 5.0 lollipop and Google Play for work That means Blackberry security features now integrated into Android in the enterprise You know you can make more of this than it is But it's Google and Blackberry integrating Blackberry Enterprise service into Android. So it's not nothing Called it years ago, right? Did we not totally totally we well Well, I don't know if I would say I called it. I said this is a really good idea. They should do that and I'm glad I was just thinking about a prediction show that it was on with you. It had a different acronym. It was years ago Oh, I mentioned something to this effect. Yes, okay, so there you go called it Yeah, but definitely this will I hope reinvigorate Blackberry because I don't want to see them die, but you know Lots of platforms. Here's the thing Blackberry is good at two things Enterprise management and keyboards. So this is the enterprise management part surviving Maybe they could just like be a third-party keyboard Manufacturer are the model M of the mobile industry. They are kind of are right. Yeah That's why they're suing Ryan Seacrest And Gadget passes along the Korean electronic times report that Samsung is leading a team of 13 companies in an attempt to Develop an 11k mobile display by 2018. You heard me right 11k a 2250 pixel per inch display Why? Hold on before you just say marketing hype because I'm sure that's part of it Samsung says that that amount of pixels could allow 3d effects without glasses So I pulled back from saying it's all just marketing hype if they can pull that off That'd be interesting South Korean government is even pitching in 26.5 million dollars over five years to help out the project But they didn't though say they you know, they talked about 11k, but they didn't say the size of the screen. Did they? No, why is it gonna be like postage stamp size or something? No, I guess that you could just reverse it from the 2250 But I just I would like to imagine that somewhere there is an 11k display with each pixel being like the size of your head So you can have that old-school Pong moment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah for sure Reuters reports ZTE and soft bank will deploy a pre 5g Commercial trial in Japan early next year also part marketing hype part something worth paying attention to it's a stepping stone to 5g That ZTE describes as using core 5g technologies But on existing 4g networks in order to deliver higher speeds Might be majority marketing hype. I can't really tell but it is definitely ZTE working with soft bank to get people Used to 5g and I'll give them credit for not calling it 5g even though it's not Right, I mean 5g we're told is supposed to be rolling out 2020 if they you know Groups that put these kind of specifications are together to be trusted The idea here is you know tens of megabytes per second But what I think is really interesting about some of the changes in the protocol is that well, you know proposed Achievement would be that several hundreds of thousands of simultaneous connections would be supported for like massive sensor deployments So I think internet of things, you know low latency low bandwidth But being able to track that many devices sounds pretty rad. Yeah ZD net has Gartner's latest report showing PC sales had their worst decline in two years during Q2 68.4 million PCs shipped worldwide down 9.5% year over year in the US PC shipments declined 5.8% Gartner cited the dollar's high value vendors clearing out inventory ahead of Windows 10 launch and a lack of reasons to refresh or upgrade in general as the problems Analysts believe the market should see growth again next year. These aren't necessarily Surprising right Darren Well, okay. I mean do you think it's attributed to Microsoft and Windows mainly? I mean at this point PC is a very mature market people are not going to upgrade and refresh computers unless they need to and and with Hardware lasting longer, you know, you don't need a new processor every year To keep up There's just there's just not going to be a need to constantly refresh PCs And so the only reason to refresh is if you're a couple versions behind on Windows and a new version of Windows comes out So I do think we'll continue to see a spike When new versions of Windows come out, but keep in mind Microsoft's new plan is to just do Windows as a service So where does that spike go? Does it just get distributed? Does it get spread out? Maybe that's good for the PC market. I don't know. It's very good for a few markets Indeed like think of this. This is actually an opportunity really It used to be the old adage that what Intel giveth Microsoft take it the way, right? The whole idea that you would have to upgrade every two years every year because you know if you wanted the latest You know version of Windows, right? But they're they're now each version of Windows is so long in the tooth as far as like how you know how frequently they come out and How much more CPU they they take from the previous versions and I feel like you know We've been saying year after year similar spectral Spectacle-Fest this will be the year for Linux on the desktop and I'm pointing at you Wayland developers I know you're working on that new alternative to x11 and you should just bloat the crap out of it Excuse to buy new PCs and then finally Linux will be the one because all of the manufacturers will be like Oh, yeah No, let's put that new Linux thing on our computers because it it really taxes the system. It's a rev. I You're absolutely right Linux has been playing the game all wrong all these years by trying to be Damn small Linux totally the wrong direction Yeah, really big huge Linux and then people go for it in droves I mean people are in big data, so they should be into big OS like why to be limited to like a 4.7 gig DVD I so like give us the 10 terabyte OS Linux I do that. I do think though that we will see it will see an interesting effect on the PC market as Windows Becomes less of a big deal And and I mean that both in the fact that there won't be like a Windows 11 launch if if the plans are true But also the operating system kind of slowly fading into the background. I don't think that means Microsoft dies I think whether you have Windows or Mac or Android or Windows phone or Blackberry OS is becoming less relevant over time, which is good Which is good for the consumer and I mean remember there was a time when Microsoft made a version of Internet Explorer for Mac Right did they still do that? No, they made Internet Explorer for Mac for a long time. What the question is are they gonna make? The new browser right Spartan if Spartan comes out think like how would that how amazing would that be Spartan for Linux? Of course, you know, I know those arch guys wouldn't run it, but you know those Ubuntu people would Well, it's not called project Spartan anymore so to play play this edge for Linux It's it's Metro. It's not Metro. It's Spartan. It's not Spartan. It was a project Spartan. No, that was a code name I'll give them that that's like saying long horn and then it's like, oh, well, it's Windows XP I'm still calling it Chicago. I'm going to text me. Okay. I think it was Oh, I don't know how I know this but breaking news people familiar with the matter.com is fully updated wordpress installation. Oh Thank you ZD net has guard. I'm sorry in gadget reports Bangalore India's police chief MN reddit Wants citizens to use periscope to capture footage of crimes in action to help police eventually the organization would like to use a police control room to monitor periscope and find the location of crimes and alert the appropriate Jurisdictional police police plan on broadcasting press conferences over press periscope as well. I Don't know. I just love this story of a law enforcement agency kind of getting it and going. Oh, yeah Let's not be afraid of cameras. This could totally help us out. Let's figure out ways that it can No, no, you're absolutely right. I love the idea of an embracing technology I just see so many abuses for it as far as like ways to troll law enforcement Yeah, and then that is always going that's always the problem, right? This does anytime you open up another avenue of communication you open up another avenue for swatting Right, right. So it's like, oh, we're gonna pull a job over here. So quick. Let's stage something over there Yeah, I would like to see anyway, I don't want to go down there Isn't it just look up the ACLU apple pasted in the channel. Yeah, Longhorn was Vista by the way I knew I had that But yeah, well, all I would say is like dear Bangalore police department take Darren's warning to heart and be you know, try to take measures to to help mitigate those kinds of instances It's no reason not to do it Yeah, it's like one of those if you see something say something things that can get like totally out of hand When you empower citizens with those kinds of things to rat out their neighbors and stuff with video It can I know I know you don't want to encourage that There's there's one thing to say like I I see a you know I see a pickpocket in progress and there it goes versus like I am going to go like break into my neighbor's Property and try to catch him doing something because I don't like him. Yeah, sure Let's take some news from you. We already have can you identify which of the headlines? We've read already that were news from you on the subreddit go to daily tech news show that reddit.com to find out the Coralie submitted the R&D mag write up on a new material that may be as promising as graphene It's called black arsenic Phosphorus chemists at the technical University Munich have developed a semiconducting material which replaces Individual phosphorus atoms with arsenic and colleagues in the US at USC and Yale built the first field effect Transistors from the material it can detect long wavelength radiation like LiDAR can be peeled off in ultra thin layers For flexible computing unlike graphene It's it's a semiconductor right out of the gate so to speak So it would be possible to put a black arsenic phosphorus semiconductor in old lace That's one for all the semiconductor fans who are also fans of the plays of Joseph Kessler Motang submitted the ZD debt story that Google is using its artificial neural network to detect and block spam Uses machine learning the system tracks usage patterns detects email impersonation We're an email purports to come from one sender when it actually comes from another Google also announced new Gmail Postmaster tools to help qualified high-volume senders analyze their email data including delivery errors spam reports and reputation so It almost sounds like they're helping the spammers and they're Hurting the spammers, but I guess the idea is the people that trying to help are white-listed folks who follow the rules and only send Mail to people who have asked for it This just sounds insane And I know that it's not that much more insane than say spam assassin ten years ago But it's kind of crazy to think about this I mean the technology don't get me wrong is really cool the machine learning and all of that crazy stuff But it's like feels like such a weird workaround patch to a technology Like an archaic technology that probably should have been overhauled like years ago because we're all depending on it Maybe added some features for like privacy and authentication because when this story begins with all like, you know, mail being you know impersonated It just reminds me of like Being a teenager telnetting into an SMTP server for the first time and sending email to yourself from you know Bill Gates at microsoft.com and realizing it works. Yeah, I know the first time you ever realized that you can just spoof any email address you want It's kind of a revelation like who thought this was okay This was a great idea and it you know, it was a great idea at the time when everybody knew it's like Oh, well, that's you know, obviously that wasn't Bob because you know Bob's on vacation Because you know, there's only one Bob on the internet and we all read all the headers and we can see that It's not originating at that server Obviously, yeah, I mean the one server that exists. So this is just I don't know part of it It's just like wow, we have so many alternatives to email that have so much better You know more robust protocols and and yet Crazy machine learning is being used. Yeah, keep the one kicking the same thing that that powers Google now to tell you What restaurant you might like is also trying to fight spam? I love SP Sheridan submitted the torn free article that Pirate Bay co-founders got Frieds Fartholm Friedrich Neige Peter Soond and Carl Lundstrom have been acquitted of criminal copyright and abuse of electronic communication charges by a court in Belgium All four deny any involvement with the Pirate Bay after its sale to a Seychelles based company in 2006 The case alleged that the four had involvement between September 2011 and November 2013 The judge ruled that the involvement of the four co-founders could not be proven So it's out of court at least they they got away from this one this time And in fact Oliver Metterlink director of the Belgian Entertainment Association that brought the case was quoted saying Technically speaking we agree with the court Why was this in court in the first place then? And that is a look at the headlines All right, this was a hell of a week We have as we mentioned Catherine Archuleta stepping down after a revelation that more than 20 million records were accessed By attackers at the office of personnel management in the United States We have the fact that 400 gigabytes of data from the hacking team surveillance firm has been publicly disclosed We have a router issue grounding United Airlines flights for two hours on Wednesday We have the New York Stock Exchange and many Bane joke memes created as the New York Stock Exchange goes down for three hours 38 minutes Wednesday due to a gateway error related to a software rollout that went wrong We have the Nigerian Communications Commission seeking the right to intercept calls in Nigeria We have FBI director James Comey testifying to the US Senate Judiciary Committee That terrorist groups using encryption are hiding recruitment efforts and kill orders And then we have 14 cryptographers publishing a paper arguing that hey, you know what though giving special access to encrypted communication puts data and Infrastructure in peril New York's Jack exchange goes down United Airlines grounded everyone getting hacked Darren is this The cyberpocalypse it is it is the end of Tom We're out of here No, I mean our things really getting worse are we headed for some kind of cyber getting as as many outlets are saying or is this just the World becoming more aware of what's already been going on for decades Well, we should probably consider that in the past we weren't as well equipped to detect So, you know data breaches that are happening more and more I'm not saying that they aren't and you know nobody's disputing that since it's being tracked that they haven't been on the rise but you consider kind of like the change in the Vulnerability of the software. We were just joking around about you know Windows 95 and Vista and such and so you think about our capabilities to detect these threats as opposed to how vulnerable we were Versus how you know generally speaking software and and Concepts of building secure systems have gotten better And yet it seems to be reported on more So I guess the question is like this has probably been going on for quite some time You know, there's the the what is it the largest data breach or the largest cyber attack on on the US government? Now we were just talking about yeah, it's a person. Yeah, right and it makes me wonder like is it really? It's the largest what we know about It's a good question. I mean if an intelligence agency had an attack like this, would we know about it? Probably not Mm-hmm, and then the other thing as far as like those other systems going down, you know Yes, NYIC going down United Airlines having to ground our flights because of computer systems it's Okay, so it's the reports that have come out from both of those are like no it's not cyber attacks Don't worry. It's just regular glitches and you would wonder if in fact This was a cyber attack then somebody would be using it to try to further their like agenda of cyber terrorists Someone would be claiming responsibility. Is that what you're saying? Not even just claiming responsibility But you would see politicians using this to say like this is why we need an anti Encryption laws and things of that so you can kind of imagine if systems like this are already this complex to just manage today How much more complexity if you had to sort of like, you know Heed to the government as far as their request for backdoors and things of that nature are I think actually in some cases this is kind of an example of how Graceful degradation needs to be implemented across these systems that is the concept that you know the computer network of the machine Would still maintain some sort of limited functionality even when a large portion of it has been rendered in operative And you can kind of think of it like if you pulled up google.com right now and you disabled JavaScript It would still work if you disabled CSS it wouldn't look as good, but it would still work Yeah, with no script running in my Firefox installation. I can use Google without having to give any additional permissions That's not true of a lot of websites Right and and in this case not very true of united with their ability to maintain You know regular operations without so it just shows some of the dependence on this It's to me Let's let's talk specifically about united in the New York Times and I think Darren and I are both going to believe Those organizations when they say that it wasn't a hack that it was software failure because it's perfectly believable, right? We are seeing a problem of scale I think We've talked about this previously on the show regarding video game rollouts and how no video game rollout ever goes smoothly In fact before the show we were talking about the new Arkham game and how it had problems on the PC You know the sim city rollout famously was a problem any Connected cloud-based game has problems. It's no surprise that other Internet connected things, you know like a united airlines booking system where you can check in over the web is Going to have problems as the scale gets larger and larger I feel like it's just kind of a principle of computing I mean you think about it Darren when you when you create a piece of software that's meant to be used by a lot of people on the Internet you can do as much load testing as you want. You never know where the weaknesses are until you make it live Right. No, I absolutely know we just launched or soft launched the the land turtle with our pentas with act 5 course And I was getting immediate feedback from students like oh, that's kind of needs to be fixed before we go live You know and it will continue to be so which is why it's open source Why people can contribute to it and stuff like that, but of course the same is not true for system from NYSE or from from United obviously and as a systems administrator, I can you know absolutely sympathize and recognize the difficulty in maintaining those systems It's just that you know if my network goes down like oh some people can't get a podcast if their network goes down It really inconveniences the world. It's it it slows world trade, which is yeah It's a it's a bigger impact. I think it's showing though that We hadn't really penetrated the entire world with internet connected computing until now With this and that this is what you would expect to see the same sort of things that brought down AOL or that make a website going now Wall Street journal calm went down for a short period of time Same day as you are United and New York Times And the only reason people really noticed was because it happened at the same time as those other two websites Go down all the time for various reasons, right? So I I think there's that side of it Which is like we're going to see these sorts of things happen glitches happen that affect more people because the internet and Computing is affecting more people and being used in more places That's just a matter of percentages and we will get better at that as we get more used to operating at that scale The other side is the hacking though I mean the government the GAO here in the u.s. Reports that incidents against the government rose 35 percent from 2010 to 2013 The Poneman Institute study sponsored by IBM says the average cost of a data breach has risen 23 percent since 2013 That seems to imply that Maybe overall total attacks aren't going up, but the attacks are getting focused and they're getting more costly Right no absolutely I mean like we said like the complexity has gotten so much more and the systems are built with security in mind So you know it's not as easy as it used to be it was joking around about sending emails from Bill Gates Like yeah, you can still do that, but you know Google's heuristic system is going to identify it and be like yeah, you ain't bill so So so if somebody's out there freaking out saying like I think cybergetons coming it's all going to fall apart Well, it's going to fall apart regardless of hackers every system will fail So the thing is build it in such a way that when it does because it's not an if it's a when it does That there are still some you know something in place to have it working in some sort of capacity That's an interesting way of thinking about it the attack the malicious attackers And the software glitches and the network errors and the load testing errors Yeah, you know they're all they're all a category of things you have to anticipate and be ready to deal with Right no, it's the same thing like I don't care if it's hackers from dprk or a Or a tsunami, you know the the electric grid needs to you know Work in some sort of capacity and when it doesn't you need to have Things in place to get things back up and rolling. So It's just another vector, right? It's it's another reason That you need to be really nice to your local system Right Right you want to you want to get into some of these backdoor things though because I thought I was kind of creeped out By one of the statements from the deputy attorney general sally gates Uh recently speaking uh about Basically, you know the feds wanting uh backdoor access to you know the say the encrypted data on your phone Or social networks and things of that. I would like the 14 most preeminent cryptographers in the world Publishing a paper saying why that's a bad A bad idea to be the last word on it. I don't think i'm going to get my wish though No, you won't and you know what's really creepy here is actually the statement that That sally gates said that uh, they're working directly with silicon valley companies to forge quote individualized solutions and that they're quote Not ruling out a legislative solution. I want a legislative solution aka Let's legislate that breaking crypto in a on purpose and putting in backdoors is bad I want that sort of things on the book what creeps me out is the whole idea of like, oh, yeah We're making back room deals And it reminds me of things that we learned from you know, edwards, you know This leaks where for instance outlook.com's encryption was uh microsoft happened to work with the fbi On the back door for that so it's it's that's what really creeps me out because yes, you're right These these security experts have written some amazing stuff on the subject It's it's like crypto wars from the 90s all over again, but essentially this time What law enforcement is looking to get is what they call exceptional access That's whereby there's not a traditional back door where you know, you just let us see everything There's a set of keys and you hold some keys and we hold some keys and only when all of those keys come together Is is law enforcement able to access the system all of this rests on the presumption That the bad actors will use that encryption technology that has the keys which they won't Right exactly exactly So it's like if i'm you know, if i'm a crazy jarrus, am I going to use the backdoor iPhone? I don't think so Yeah, uh, so I mean I mean sure I guess they could make a secret deal with somebody but even then there's there's plenty of projects and encryption plans that they can create on their own that Don't have the secret keys built into them. So it's it's kind of an uphill fight and director comey in his in his testimony did say that they have been able to make progress against bad actors and and and capture them and capture intelligence without Having to have backdoor access. Uh, he he did at least admit that and I I think that's important to note Yeah, and it's also important to note that the exceptional access The whole thing is just flawed on so many fundamental levels that it would like actually take us back to the stone ages Where we're actually progressing forward right now with things like forward secrecy and authenticated encryption and things like that Uh, and just it's unfathomable the kind of cost and complexity Adding such a system would be and then you think about hey like here's a system like the nyse or united that Just try just struggling to keep things going on a regular basis add back doors And then it gets even more complex and scary and then of course the the single most You know terrifying thing is like oh so wait you're saying that there are just these you know a couple of keys We need to get we're the bad actors and we want access to everybody's Uh, everybody's stuff. We just have to get those things cool. Yeah, exactly. It's a big a big fat target All right, let's let's let's let's lighten the mood a little. Let's have some music. Let's have some turkish dance music darren Yes, and cats Yeah, this uh, this one was sent in uh for uh, our pick of the day Uh, listening to show 25 33 the topic was curated playlists My favorite online radio station is dino fm. That's di n a m o dot f m The station is a real fm station in istanbul playing electronic music ranging from quality electronic music to oven guard to mainstream syndicated programs In the wee hours istanbul time the legacy station gets weird and you'll hear or net colman Via crazy jazzy programs or maybe space music Did i mention that they show they run several online channels for different electronic music verticals I've been listening to dino fm since their inception and always return after my current music service Run stale as is the case with rhapsody pendora spotify groove shark and my own music collection The ad should catch should you catch any are in turkish? So they don't they don't bother them nearly as much as ones that are english Uh, and they have phone apps too. So if you're a fan of electronic music, especially european curation of india and mainstream sounds This is a go-to station at dino mo fm di n a m o fm And I I didn't I forgot to copy over the name of the person who sent this mark. Thank you mark for sending You know mark might also like di dot fm, which is short for digitally imported very similar It's good techno stuff. They got like 40 channels of all sorts of electronica as well So put them both on yeah, send your picks to us too Uh, not just radio picks picks for anything feedback at daily tech news show dot com my picks All right daily tech news show dot com slash picks All right, let's plow through these messages of the day pete from sunny florida posting on our blog said hey Regarding those curated playlists in music. I doubt they'll work better than algorithmic playlists The real reason for them is payola I believe the producers put their favorite pet project on the top of everybody's list Google put sponsored links on the top of search results But at least those are clearly marked your playlists are going to be full of music You're supposed to be listening to not what you like. It's all money darin forget curation Sure. It's all money forget curation Uh, I actually think that you know what it's not unlikely pete that may be something like that happens But I don't think it happens nearly as much as you're talking about and there are plenty of curated stations out there like dino mo fm Like soma fm like di that was a di dot fm That aren't subject to those pressures that I think the point is still good that curated playlists Sometimes can be good and suppose and expose you to music that you would not otherwise have noticed rich from lovely cleveland Thinks we've seen an emergence in the middle ground between just algorithmic curation and having some sort of direct human oversight He writes I could see ibm's watson used on something like music curation instead of scanning encyclopedias and medical journals It would linguistically parse pitchfork and rolling stone Building up a semantic relationship in the language of the reviews and using that to serve up relevant content Much as it's already done for medicine and food It could draw on what people have already produced on a topic But would be able to create relationships that are perhaps non obvious And then it creates relationships between the music you're listening to and your current health You've got the fit bit that's communicating with your iphone telling you what music to play based on it gets crazy. Thank you watson Uh, and then howard from south jersey, uh wrote in in regards to the release of microsoft office for mac He says i'm conflicted whether to become an office 365 subscriber or to wait for the boxed copy Given that it's been five years Since the last significant update I'm concerned that the monthly subscription will be much more expensive without any particular benefit Over the box copy. I've been very pleased with adobe's creative cloud subscription Which has proven time and again that the monthly subscription brings more features and more access to the tools But adobe has traditionally kept mac and pc versions on par Do you think that such a mania will bring that consistent innovation to the mac version of office? Or will it be another five years between significant updates? You will I think if if that's your if that's your argument against like innovation On microsoft office, then you're probably better off with open office anyway Because you just needed word and excel or their direct equivalence Uh, and there may be places where uh, certain spreadsheets created in excel don't open very well in open office In your particular workplace, and I can see that being an exception, but you're right If you just want freedom From all those restrictions, then go open or go libre office And and and and be able to do stuff that way I I do think That I had not thought about the the single use scenario for office 365 I feel like the box case is still better if for some reason you have to get microsoft office Whereas the subscription is good if you're like, hey, you know what? I need to install this on like five different machines in my family And this saves me money over the long term then it's probably worth it Without having to break the law finally Jeremy writes in and say is uh, you may or may not have heard of vote Voat A lot of people are writing it up now because people upset with reddit are going there and using vote Anyway, Jeremy says I created a vote subverse for daily tech news show I just wanted to help out and grab it if you'd like to claim it or become a moderator Let me know I'd be willing to help out. Uh, I just wanted to grab it before anybody else did It's voat.co Slash v slash daily tech news show Uh, he said I'll try to grab fraud grants for scott's too. Thank you, Jeremy for doing that That's actually how the daily tech news show subreddit happened is scottie rollin just made it Which is fantastic and does a great job continuing to help Run it along with kyle and sub guns and tom gerke and others that joined in as well So if you're interested in helping Jeremy out with the vote, there it is voat Dot com slash v slash daily tech news show. I threw a couple links in there. So it didn't look so Abandoned have you heard about vote much darin? No, I haven't I'm checking it out now And it just looks like they completely forked reddit. Yeah They did yeah, it's it's it's a whatever reddit code is available publicly Seems to have been used there. I may be wrong about that, but that's what it looks like for sure Wow, uh, I don't I'm not necessarily going to Use it to replace the subreddit Uh, because the subreddit has so much momentum and people know to go there But I'm also not against experimenting and seeing like well, maybe it's good for something else Or if they you know, if reddit collapses, which I don't expect at least we've got this as a backup So really appreciate Jeremy doing that Experimenting is good. I mean, yeah In college absolutely. Well, thank you darin. Uh, h a k 5.org is the place You had your big pen testing course last week. I know it went well, and I'm glad to hear that. What what else is going on? Oh, man, let's see. We're doing let's see Shannon just did a thing on packaging with android I'm looking at we're doing this whole series on virtualization. So if you're interested in building like, uh, You know recycling that spare computer in the closet and turning it into a vm server Where you can try out a bunch of different operating systems and blow them up and build them again uh, check it out we've been covering citric zen server and Threat wires doing epic as well as metasploit minute hack tip tech thing and uh, all sorts of new fun good things coming to h a k 5.org If you're in the bay area and you want to uh, come hang out with us at the warehouse tomorrow We're having a little open house hack 5.org Slash open house Check it out Len Peralta My god, Len, this may be the most beautiful awe inspiring thing you've done yet. This is crazy I don't know how awe inspiring it is. It's just pretty inspiring to me It's sort of a reaction to all the news from this week. You know, I saw the Cybergeddon and I didn't really think I could make a real good joke about it So I just decided to do something that was a little bit darker. Yeah, you're right. This isn't funny It's not funny. This guy's a little bit darker. Yeah, it's got some dark tones to it. It's good though Thank you. Yeah, it's uh, it's an interesting little piece of a uh, of what I think a cybergeddon Uh, uh, a dweller might look like uh, is that the is that the like survivor Yeah, that's it was survivor too Well survivor or whatever, you know, he's gonna be battling it out Yeah, I didn't you know the the tech here is sort of funny because there's all kinds of like Wires and of course he's got like the I thought about it afterwards. He's got the the wi-fi in the front of his gun But but by the wires, but then you know, hey man, he's his own self-contained Uh, uh, you know hot spot or something. I just assumed that was the wi-fi pineapple mark 1000 Right. Yeah, you gotta use the mark 1000 against skynet or you're not gonna have a chance Um, I need to know his name because ultimately what I want to do is see him show down With quanto from the very first Friday art The all you know, I don't know, you know, daren, I'm I'm gonna give you a full uh, uh Opportunity to uh, to name him because I Because I think they need to go side by side and like dance toe to toe him and quanto Now that's something I'd like to see maybe a dragon can that'd be cool I don't know what to call him squimpy Definitely get, uh bang s in uh In irc to help with that. All right. 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This display goes up to 11k dino mo dot fm not constant and opal End dot dot dot times dot dot dot It is the only enterprise android. I know Huh it's not 5g up periscope down crime I don't know I should start editing the show you guys kick those around all right um It's not 5g Well, if it isn't then what is it? It's pre 5g. Uh, csi cyber get in Csi cyber get in stop that. Yeah pay no attention to the data breaches behind the curtain We're gonna need a bigger os nice Definitely in fact, you know what would be great is you've got all that source code You know open source community just like I don't know download Clone everything on github All of the source and just put it into one giant iso I want to see like who can make the largest linux distro Like the one that doesn't even need a repository because it's all just baked in Oh, you wanted a piece of software? It's all in there. It's in there. We'll call it prego linux Put the source to everything because it's bigger I like the display goes up to 11k Yeah Go big linux or go home End time animo.fm Not constanate constanopal Who's breathing I think it's roger Darth roger We're all breathing down, but I like the four crap We have a little breaking news here Yeah I should probably record this as a post Thing and put it in the uh, put it in the show Our post is already Ellen pow stepping down as reddit ceo Wow said the departure was a mutual decision with the board due in part to different views on growth potential They had a more aggressive view than I did she said Hmm Well, maybe that will spur more of voters or whatever they will be called Voat well or no actually it would be the opposite because The protesters were all wanting her to go so yeah, right You know, it's it's when you're running a platform for the people You got to go with the will of the people. It's almost like democracy or something. I don't know Where did she come from? Like wasn't she from somewhere else? Yeah, she was from the financial world Okay, the investment it's like it's almost like the ceo is a sort of president of some Nation state that doesn't exist in meat space, of course, but in cyberspace and uh, you know when all of your citizens really don't like your president Sometimes you step down Sometimes you get impeached. She says she resigned Altman which which which altman is this sam altman of y combinator Said that ellen did an incredible job. It came into a situation. She did and was dropped into a crucible And who is coming back Huffman Is coming back as ceo steve huffman huffman the co-founder Is taking over immediately. She did a wonderful job of deleting subreddits and uh Victoria taylor, uh said she did a great job firing me Does this explain why all my subreddits have gone mute? Hmm Have they again I and no, I'm just done the other uh protest But I mean it just really speaks volume as far as like the the control that the users have On that platform Yeah, yeah for sure. We kind of like have The giant decisions being like like that being made All right, you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna uh, this I don't think this'll record you guys, but I'm just going to do a brief uh The brief addendum So right after the show ended, uh, we found out that ellen powell announced. She is stepping down as reddit ceo She said she's resigning. She's not being fired All of the uh board members had nothing but nice things to say about her And reddit co-founder and original ceo steve huffman will be immediately taking over as ceo I found this news out when veronica belmont messaged me on slack and said called it More coming monday on daily tech news show All right I'm just putting that right in there the new ceo of reddit veronica belmont No, it's steve huffman ceo of reddit that's kind of close That's like you're basically one of the secretaries to the president of the internet, right? Yeah, you're you're in the cabinet. I think Hey, isn't uh I might have wrong. Isn't uh Drew kurtis's campaign manager or didn't he used to wasn't he for isn't he from reddit or was he from dig? Who is he? I don't remember his name. Don't remember the name Drew kurtis runs farc. I shouldn't know this Oh, I met some of the cool guys from farc. I think it's rad that that thing is still going so strong Farc was really kind to sub brilliant news back in the late 90s. So I have a very soft spot in my my uh That's true kurtis man running for governor I've had farc sysadmins drive me to the airport from a hacker conference in kentucky. So farc is great, man Just running out of drew's house Still yep, you know, like the servers are in the basement. I believe so. I mean, it's it's funny. I mean he's I think they are Now he's running spirit of the 90s. He's alive In someone's basement. Yeah Yeah, I remember the first time I I noticed a bunch of traffic coming in to a sub brilliant news story And the referrer was farc.com is how I found out about them. I was like, oh, hell's all this coming from love farc They've been good to me too good people over there That's a that's a night. That's a geocities angel fire era site that's still kicking. Yeah And you know what? Hey, hang on. I think there's a really interesting analogy of that and uh between that and reddit What we're just talking about. Yeah, what's the difference here? What's the staying power? I mean the community is still it's a very still a very small community Sure, but you think about the management of farc In the sense that it's still running the founders basement You know is reddit still running in the founders basement. I doubt it Co-founders stepping back in maybe he's like, hey guys. I saw you guys were in some trouble. I've got a really big basement Alexis ohanian probably has a bigger basement than huffman, but that's that Yeah, uh, is it the size of the basement or the willingness to host from it? That's important here I think you got to keep it in the basement Just keep it in the basement look Don't You're gonna fork it up if you don't keep it There you go Don't fork it up people Well, actually no, you want to fork it. You want to keep it far. No, you want to yeah Yes, let's fart things up It is yes, it's your duty to the internet Don't fail us Internet. Don't fail me now So what yeah, think about it like what else from the era farc is still around amazon Yes, uh ebay Um, they're still relevant. I guess paypal ish Is that really from that they I feel like paypal is totally from the the mid 90s, aren't they are they? I'll tell you in a second. I could just be like wrong But oh 1998 never mind. Okay. Well, they're so that's why I'm that's why I was wishy-washy because they I would say they're cocktail writers This is the 95 and higher paypal paypal still counts the 90. I'd count paypal Well, wait a second. Well, when was farc? Yeah, because I don't think farc started more than 97 Oh, what are we what are we thinking farc launched in 99? Yeah. Yeah, okay So the list is the pre-2000s, right? I mean technically google was pre-2000, right? Yeah, that's a good point But there's a lot of things that like just never really got off the ground before Flues Flues didn't really get off the ground Flues No, what was wait? What was flues? Was that the one where you get gift cards for people? It was the online currency Oh, you could give them money and then they would allow you to spend it at select merchants What so basically? Yeah, it was online gift cards, but they didn't call it that Who would ever You have a currency that's not Tangible, you know But see the idea is eventually everyone will take flues Yeah Sure Right Yeah, uh, I lose the idea to me web van Web van's gone. Good riddance Tripod is still around they wouldn't be to be Hey, Lycos is still around, but Lycos is reinventing themselves as like a wearables company. I think you know what? Here's how you redefine this list. It has to be companies that have not changed hands Well, yeah, because excite is still around technically, but but I wouldn't count that Yeah, totally wow.com You know internet.com zombo.com Zombo.com has not sold out. No zombo.com has not You can still do anything at zombo In fact, uh, zombo.com was created in 1999 Oh, so it's right there in the FARC era right there in the FARC area. I think You know that that uh 95 to 2000 was really the the heyday When we're what's mahir up to you working at dino mo fm Mahir in the mornings Actually di.fm was december 99 Oh, look at that when was summer fm because I think that was pretty well actually it didn't It started as digitally imported.com because dot fm But you know it ended up getting di.fm later There has to be a list never say die Please tell me somebody who's compiled this list because I really want to see it Like who's still around who survived? Yeah, it's basically the uh vh1. Where are they now? Yeah of comms Well, and and it would take some legwork, but you could look at like all the registrations originated in that time period Right, so let's just hold a who is record and look at every domain registration from 1995 to 2000 And then see like which one's alexa traffic to see if they were in the top 1000 which ones changed went public changed hands, etc Actually, I bet the alexa index has a way back kind of feature, right? Oh, well that actually you could just use way back You're right Well, but way back won't tell you what the most popular sites were But alexa might yeah Oh alexa has a seven day free trial now. What I thought you used to just be able to pop in a site You get you used to be able to Used to be able to do a lessee. They're not like zombo comm used to be able to do a lot of things in this world, darin No, see see it's when these businesses keep changing Right, and you're right thing And then you and then you can't They they took away the zombo. They had zombo now. They don't think about zombo comm is they stayed true to their mission Right letting you do anything you wanted. You don't let me be your mind Like fark. Yeah, right. So what we need is an award and also started the foobies site, but they mostly stayed true to their mission What we need to do tom is we need to create an award From the internet to the sites that have kept farking it up and kept to the zombo comm mission Right, so it's like a lifetime achievement award Well, not a lifetime, but yeah, you were coming up on uh many many years an internet years. Yeah Yeah, we've got 20 years on i i've been more alive online than offline. That's crazy. Um Hmm I'm counting my bps days for that to happen. Hey man, you should tell tom. You should totally have drew on your show Uh, yeah, if he would if he would have time to do it. I'd love to do that Yeah, I don't know right geek would be even better But yeah, he could I'd have none anything he he wanted to do. Yeah. Yeah, let me um, I don't know I'll send him an email. All right. I'll introduce you to He might remember me. He might not I think his um I think his campaign manager used to used to be a reddit So I was looking at five or six years darin. I will have been alive online longer than and not online okay What do you count as is online like you're starting up your first email? Oh, I was going. Yeah, I was going from the first time I ever used gopher Yeah, I I'm guessing BBSing for sure the first time my bbs. That was 92 Did you play a legend of the red dragon? No, I was just I was just connecting to a to a site called ganja mountain Which was local Sure, and we just you know, we would I would just it was like a message board, right? So we just like hang away. No, I did the math wrong. Hold on 92 is the same for me. That's 20. So 40. Oh, so next year Next year it'd be 20 years. Well, it's 23. I've been online for 23 years next year. I will be 46 So then on behalf and half so so Almost as long your equilibrium point. Yeah Yeah Thank you super ready. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Great wikipedia listing here. Nice internet properties established in 1984. Uh, I was established in 1983. So that's something See, uh, there was no there were no internet properties established in my birth year. There were some protocols though About.com 97 Wow Yeah, oh, this is great This is so good Anand tech 97 Audible auto trader. That's just the a's those are still around But then you get weird ones like Chow Chow, I love that site. Oh, oh, yeah, that's the cooking site that cnet bought I don't know. Chow, you would think with the last name kitchen. I would know the chow website, but Kitchen and chow The year I was born the first, uh network to use random packet transmission Was launched at the university of hoy Huh, that's why the year I was born That was the year I was born The packet transmission So you'll reach equilibrium now. We went online the same year. We were born the same year. Yep. Yep. We're like internet brothers That's right. Well, you know, it was one of those things. What was your first computer? A ti 99 4a Uh, I had kind of remember what I had. I had an 80. I know I had an 80 88 An 80 88. Yes, we're we're computer brothers That thing took so long to boot up tcxt 4.77 megahertz. I had copy serve on that. I also had this timex Sinclair 1000 I show off The ti 99 is not an easy reach. It's over there. I remember having conversations. I just had this google blast as a child I remember asking about modems like buying modems ish Should I really buy this 14 for modem? Well, I really see an increase in speed Yeah, you will and and you can put your 9600 bod back in the box and take it back to the store. You bought it from I jumped from I jumped I jumped from a 9600 bod to a 288 I'm milked that 9600 bod. I was I was like, I don't need the graphical web I thought you're gonna waste money on a 14 for modem for just to see advertisements And then finally I gave in and I went right to 288. Yeah, I don't think I ever had 28 I had I went from 14 to 56 I don't think oh wow Yeah, nicely done No, I was on a shell account. I was on a unix shell. I I browsed in links until 1996 Yeah, links was hey have you ever thought to yourself like when you when when everything was anonymous like you didn't like There weren't public profiles of people and stuff. Have you ever thought about like if you've run into people Yeah, used to like chat with years ago. What are news groups and stuff? Right? One at Defcon one year, uh, and it was somebody that I hung out with when I was like 12 on IRC and I was like, holy crap. You're mad cow. I am martin wolf Like whoa Yeah, how do they even find like well, how do they find you back five? Oh, okay, right, right, right Yeah But I still remember like all the IRC buddies I used to hang out with I'm sure You know nth mic and bio cow and n bomb and everybody else on IRC like is Like you have real relationships, right? Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Running to each other in meat space is totally bizarre Yeah, absolutely. I'd loved it. Like I used to moderate a reality show board Called three big shows out of canada and I used like I I would just love to see like if there's anybody from that group that I could find I don't even know like no one even remembers it. I can't find anything about it online You know, it was like this really small because the three big shows at the time Were survivor big brother and who wants to be a millionaire? So I was like running I was like on that board like and like, you know, it was pretty decent size board But I don't know anybody Like I was just, you know, it'd be cool to run into some people that remember like That I was the mod there and I don't know. It was fun. It's cool. Good times On like the real communities Oh, yeah, and they could be good. They could be bad, right? Yeah, keep parking on or they can oust CEOs That's right. Well, that's all I think about it. That's all twitter is is a big is a big bbs really Kind of my bbs let you post more than 140 characters. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying It's the it's the chat board, right? I know let's reinvent the chat room over and over We will continue to reinvent irc FTP and www until the end of time I was just I'm sorry I was just looking at the fact that philip kdicks a daughter attended the man in the high castle panel at san diego comic con what's this Let's do it You ready What are we doing? We're gonna call it. We're gonna call We're gonna well, we're gonna have to find out about sports, obviously Sports Yes Len Len and sports Yeah, what about it? Yeah, come on tom. You're the anchor of this thing. You should know Uh now to lend the sports. Oh, yeah. Well the calves just signed lebron james today Bringing the big three back together kairi erving kevin love earlier this week and uh and lebron james also Uh, this is just cleven sports because i'm i don't know anything else. I'm not really following anybody else And uh, who else amon shumpert was signed this week So the one holdout is jr smith. What's gonna happen with him? Who knows? But there's unfinished miss There's unfinished business in cleveland And it looks like dan gillward is getting this team back together Well, we can hope so Thanks for that. Len will be back with more updates at 10 30 now to darin with weather The weather on the network here at the heck by warehouse not looking so great sending pings to my favorite 8.8.8.8 Usually using about 32 bytes here, but uh somewhat truncated them to Uh three time to live they're not really making it past the gateway at this time. It's it's rather sad I think the bits are just falling on the floor Um, hopefully the networks run much smoother in your area. I'll be taking my umbrella darin That's it for eyewitness tech news everybody. Have a good afternoon