 Like to call the order the second special meeting of the 2014 2015 Common Council with a clerk. Please call the roll for the meeting There are 13 present Alderman born is excused Alderman was sardis excused Alderman mad at check is not Please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Next I'd like to just deviate from the agenda if there's no objection Jim Pragots who is chairman of the police and fire commission passed away last week and His funeral actually is going on today as we have this meeting And I'd like to ask Chief chief Chris Domigalski and fire chief Mike Romas to join me in the front. I just like to Have a moment of silence for Jim and the service that he provided to the city of Sheboygan He's been a member of the police and fire commission since 1997 and most recently had served as the chairman of the police and fire commission Please stand and join me in a moment of silence Thank you Next we'll go on to approval of the minutes from our last meeting Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor I move to approve second. Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on those minutes? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes Next item is council appointments on the Harbor Center bid board city Thank You honor honorable members of the council hereby submit the following appointments for your confirmation To the business improvement district Pamela Butler channel business owner Eileen same Simon's property owner William Holbrook property owner Tyler Ott business owner Chad Palachuk City government all terms that would be appointed from today's date through 1231 2016 signed by the mayor those will lie over under resolutions 2.1 is a Resolution by Alderman Lassard amending the job description for the part-time clerk position in the building inspection department Alderman Lassard, I would like to make a motion to fire second Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none Let's see. We got a blizzard Alderman Lassard. You have something else you'd like to bring up Okay, do we need to call the roll? Okay, all those in favor of the motion, please signify by saying aye aye opposed motion passes Under reports of committee item 3.1 is an RC by finance to whom was referred RC number 208 of 1415 by salary and grievances in general ordinance number 36 of 1415 by Alderman Lassard amending the municipal code as to add a part-time code enforcement Officer position in the city development department for the city of Sheboygan Alderman Hammond, thank you. Mr. Mayor move the RC be accepted and adopted in the resolution or ordinance be put upon its passage Okay, thank you for that motion in support any discussion on the motion Alderman Carlson Thank You mr. Mayor. I hope this is the last time I have to say these comments. I'll try to keep it brief I am still not going to support this I Guess it came back because we found some money. I think that's a poor reason to try to create a new position Just because we have money we shouldn't spend it. I don't think this is actually going to do Do the city any good as the residents of the city? Are already trying as best as they can I don't think we need to hand out some more citations I think what we need to do is focus more on the the troubled property properties that we already know that exist We don't need to go after all the the small stuff right now the police departments doing a great job of trying to Literally clean up the yards because I come to find out that this position isn't actually going to be going after the properties that have Junk in their yard. This is actually for Legitimate building cold violations, so I I don't think this is going to do any good. Thank you Thank you for those comments Alderman bitters Thank You mr. Mayor as I look through the documents that were attached to this and the problem I have with it is The qualifications that were in Written down for this new position. It's High school or GED and One year in a building trade and is that? Sufficient to allow someone to write Citations to people in the city and I don't see it that way. Yeah, thank you. Thank you Alderman Hammond. Thank you mr. Mayor Chad you want to if you wouldn't mind coming forward for a quick sec Would you be so willing as to? You know talk a little bit about real briefly the position what the qualifications are so on and so forth So hopefully then put Alderman bitters mind at ease sure This position is a part-time position this person would be Primarily working in the neighborhoods as I just discussed at the finance committee Just to talk a little bit about staffing in the building inspection department first We have two building inspectors jack van der wheel pat irick who primarily Focus on commercial Inspections all new construction. We have a housing inspector who part of this time is housing But he's also the fill-in for an electrical inspector and a plumbing inspector because we do not have backups for those So when those two positions are on vacation the housing inspector makes up the difference in that area That leaves nobody out there really doing any type of code enforcement or housing related landlord issues and those types of things So the the thought behind this position As being a temporary position would be that this person would be following up and complaints that come into the Office would be going out into the center city areas and doing targeted code enforcement Sweeps with the police department and then other things as as needed from an educational standpoint That's the that's the education. That's really required for the current building inspectors. Although they have more Experience I think if we put any more if we put any more experience requirements on this I think we're gonna have a hard time filling the position frankly I understand the fact of writing citations all they have to do is I mean when you go out and do code enforcement It's a lot of the stuff is the same. So, you know, it could be painting. It could be roof It could be foundations. I mean, they're not doing structural stuff. This is really just looking at cosmetic aesthetic type repairs And everything can be documented with cameras and different things and brought forward at court So from an education standpoint, I think if we make this any more than That as long as they've got some Experience in the build building trades and have they've been exposed to what's happening out there I feel comfortable with it in this position that the job description that's attached was a seasonal code enforcer That was in this department back in 2007 and that was the job description that that person ran under Thank you And just real quick, you know, this obviously position is monitored by someone, you know So as citations are written other than the court process, of course Someone else is looking at these early spot checking things. Oh, yeah They don't they don't necessarily write the citation the inspector works with the front office and they between both of them Do all the citations. So there's a there's a checks and balances and this person would report directly to me Just like the rest of the people in the department, but with the experience that we have in the department I don't foresee any issues on an experience standpoint. Thanks Is there any other discussion? Go ahead city attorney. Thank you, your honor. I believe the discussion at the finance committee was to recommend Adoption of the ordinance subject to some amendments that were That were drafted at the finance committee and I think those would need to This document as well since the document that's at the council is the original document. Okay And that includes a salary piece Yeah done Thank You mr. Mayor. I would Move to amend that document to make it a temporary position To last no longer than two years Subject to a pay max pay of $25,000 Including all Employee cost payroll costs most types of things. So That's my motion Again, thank you for that motion and support We have amendment that's been made. Is there any discussion on the amendment? Thank you, mayor and the only other thing I think we did it at Finance if my memory serves is to ensure that this is an at-will employee So that even if there is a two-year contract as a temporary employee that the basis of the employment is at will And I believe that was worked into our amendment if I'm not mistaken That was the temporary employee the temporary employee correct for up to two years Yeah, I think I said that See the attorney did that cover all the points. I believe so there was also a discussion, but that would be I believe it You could all include in here that because I believe it was the recommendation of the finance committee that Document be drawn To transfer funds from particular account In payment of this that could be then brought in at the next council meeting and acted on That's part of this I can make that the same thing I Would add to that then again, mr. Mayor that the 25,000 would come from the mayoral or 50,000 would come from the mayoral budget be transferred to building inspection to pay for this position for that two-year period Is there a second you accept that as part of the so we'll have one single amendment including that as well As the other items that were brought up earlier Any other discussion on the amendment before us? Alderman Carlson Just to be clear that this $50,000 is coming from the hundred thousand that was budgeted for to find a new Chief administrative officer. So once again, this is Money that we don't have to spend and personally I think it could be better used elsewhere one by either taking out of the budget or by using it on something else And not just payroll. Thank you Thank you for those comments Any other discussion just just to clarify on the budget transfer portion of us this 50,000 State that what you'd be doing would be asking the documents be drawn to do that and that would come in at the next council meeting for the budget transfer because Different requirements for budget transfers than adoption of the general ordinance, but this way the council would know where the Funding is anticipated to be coming from. Thank you for that clarification If there's no other discussion with a clerk, please call the roll for passage on the amendment Mark is yours going It's no, okay. I figured that What is your vote mark? It's your vote. Hi your name Okay, ten eyes for nose Motion passes Now we're back to the main motion as amended. Is there any further discussion on the main motion as amended? Seeing none will the clerk, please call the roll on passage irony yes or no Still no for me Eight eyes six nose Motion passes Moving on to ordinances four point one will be referred to the city planning commission under matters laid over Five point one is general ordinance number thirty four of fourteen fifteen by Alderman Donahue Dassler Hammond and Vander wheel amending the municipal code to extend the expiration date The initial chief administrative officer's appointment term to August 23rd of 2016 Alderman Donahue Thank You mayor I would move that the ordinance be put upon its passage. Thank you for that motion in support under discussion Alderman cut off Thank You mayor I'm going to be a no vote on this document. I would like to have seen more discussion on the job description I understand it did go to salaries and grievance, and I did attend that meeting Apparently it was put on hold and Now there's going to be discussion at the committee of the whole level I would also like to see Discussion at the committee of the whole and that was the whole idea in my opinion that I became part of a three-man hold Would have been nice to have that discussion on the sister amendment The Thursday committee of the whole But now here we are at a council meeting again and having the committee of the whole meeting after this So I would just like to have seen a little bit more discussion on the committee level Thank you. Thank you for those comments Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor You know I understand the game that was being played over the last week or so with this particular Position, I think I mentioned in the last meeting. You know I look at these as two kind of mutually exclusive Events looking at the job description We can do that anytime this could have been done in the spring could have been done in the summer It could have been done six months ago a month ago two months ago three months ago wasn't Kind of a coincidence. It's coming up now as mr. Amodio's Decided to stay on and some people with their personal opinions may have that may have entered this equation That said, I mean I I think we do need to look at this position on an ongoing basis And I think might be speaking out of school for mr. Amodio But I think he'd probably welcome the opportunity to look at this position and say how can we make it better and more effective? On a go-forward basis, but again, I think these things these two documents are are mutually exclusive And extending the term of somebody who's done a phenomenal job For the city. I don't think is tied into whether we review his job description or that positions job description and make changes to it we can make those changes anytime and You know implement those changes at any time, so I think these two things are Exclusive and should be treated to such. Thank you Thank you for those comments. Is there any further discussion the court, please call the roll for passage 12 eyes to nose motion passes Next item is a proposed closed session alderman Hammond. Thank you, mr. Mayor I moved to convene in closed session under section 1985 1e of the Wisconsin statutes for the purpose of deliberating possible tentative agreement with the shabuigan professional police officers Association we're competitive and bargaining reasons require a closed session second Thank you for that motion with a clerk, please call the roll to go into closed session We'll take a short recess and reconvene in about three or four minutes Okay, we'll call the meeting back to order I move on to 7.1, which is action on items that are discussed in closed session alderman Hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move to put the resolution Authorizing entering into a tentative agreement with the shabuigan professional police officers association upon its passage second Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any further discussion on the motion? See none will the clerk, please call the roll for passage 14 eyes Motion passes Alderman Hammond. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move to adjourn this meeting second. Thank you very much All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye opposed we stand adjourned. You have a good Thanksgiving Keep your Chromebooks open cuz committee the whole is gonna use them