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It is not that fancy It is not that fancy part of the county got it got it still people in st. Louis are laughing really hard right now And everybody else is going huh What ice-cold you go to Epic has received its Apple developer account in the EU and we'll begin working on making an epic game store for IOS there They said they should have it done by the end of the year and now the rest of the quick hits On Wednesday show Scott Johnson shared his thoughts on the future of Xbox ahead of Microsoft's official announcement Thursday right before TNS recorded Microsoft did announce for Xbox exclusive games will come to non Xbox platforms head of Xbox Phil Spencer ruled out Starfield and Indiana Jones However and said all four titles are more than a year old Spencer also said Microsoft is still working on a next console Including different kinds of hardware which goes along with hints that Spencer has been dropping about the possibility of a handheld And Microsoft also announced game pass now has 34 million subscribers. That's up 36 percent since the last time it released numbers two years ago When Jake Moffat booked a flight from Vancouver to Toronto in 2022 to go to his grandmother's funeral He asked Air Canada's chat bot if there were bereavement fairs discounts for people flying to funerals the chat bot said yes indeed Air Canada offered reduced bereavement fairs and He could even get a refund if he had already booked a flight with a full fair as long as he told Air Canada about it within 90 days of His travel and then it linked to the bereavement policy now Moffat didn't click that link Which led to a page that would have told him that Air Canada did not offer bereavement fairs for completed travel Moffat however said hey the chat pot told me it did took a screenshot sent it to Air Canada Air Canada wouldn't give him the money So he sued for deception and Air Canada tried to argue that the chat bot was and I quote a separate legal entity that is responsible for its own actions Can't blame him for trying The civil the civil resolution tribunal of Canada did not buy that argument said no it's your chat bot It's on your website. You're responsible for it And ordered Air Canada to pay Moffat $812 which was the difference between what he paid and the reduced bereavement fair Thanks to Reid Fischler for tipping me off to this story Search lab users in the US can try something called talk to a live representative in the Google app for iOS and Android and Desktop Chrome so when you search for a customer service number You might see request for call as a button that you could click if you click it Google will ask a few questions about what you're calling about what your number then it will call the customer support line for you Navigate some phone trees then text you as it makes progress and when you're off hold it will call you so that you could talk to that live Representative supported businesses include airlines phone companies retail insurance and various services like shipping companies waste Management zeal and instacart. That's cool. I like that That's like a step up from the like we'll call you back in your place in line because you don't even have to call and get in line The US FBI reports it has taken out a botnet that had infected ubiquities edge OS routers with the mood Mubot malware used for spearfishing and Credential stuffing attacks the small office and home office users of the routers were not the targets So it didn't compromise their information It just used their routers to launch attacks on government military and security organizations with court approval FBI agents remotely access the infected routers and used Mubot to delete stolen and malicious data and Then deleted Mubot and blocked remote access the actions did not disrupt the routers legitimate functionality or access user data This is of course part of the cat and mouse game between criminals and law enforcement They take one button that down another one's gonna pop up somewhere, right in an attempt to break that cycle Google announced an AI Cyber defense initiative ahead of the Munich security conference starting now Friday Bloomberg sources say that Apple has ramped up development of an AI powered code completion tool that similar to Microsoft's github Copilot Expanding internal testing of a new generative AI feature set for its Xcode programming software Apple reportedly plans to release them to third-party developers this year and similarly to Microsoft's github co-pilot The programming tool Apple is working on applies a large language model to predict and then complete strings of code and potentially even write code to test apps The drumbeat continues of Apple's AI plans Well, Bose is selling some new earbuds that you might have seen in a headline or two or a picture here in there They're turning heads because they sit outside of the ear canal instead of trying to be in your ear like most earbuds That means they don't have noise canceling something people always think of with Bose But some people want always to be able to hear their surroundings But also hear their music at a reasonable volume if you just set your AirPods outside your ear the volume is not gonna Be good enough So these are designed to to be able to let you hear the world around you But also have volume so that you can understand what your audio is saying to you the Bose Ultra open earbuds do that. They're also lightweight. So they're better for somebody who needs to wear earbuds for a long time You can wear them for four or five six hours Bose products However, it can be divisive and I've noticed these being praised by some of the usual skeptics out there Patrick Bose took its open audio framework from its ill-fated Bose frames and put it in the earbuds And then tried to make them look kind of like jewelry. How does this form factor work for you? Okay, so I have not had a chance to try them myself but folks who have say they're actually Really comfortable once you figure out how to strap them to your ears because they kind of clip on like giant earrings Like most open earbuds, there's not a lot of bass So if you need bass in your life open earbuds are probably not a thing for you The design on these is particularly novel especially compared to the other offerings out there The idea of open earbuds is not really new just maybe more new but to Bose you know Open earbuds are a thing especially for runners Outdoorsy folks Sony shocks Jlabs clear soundcore one more and many many others are all in this space These are getting a lot of attention because they're a Bose product Therefore they must be super and amazing or they are horrendous trash and as Tom pointed out earlier There's a lot of people who just immediately hear Bose and have a reaction one way or the other Well, so the audio that auto adjusts. I know is something that Bose is touting here So if you're in I don't know a place that's really loud But you know a lively coffee shop for example versus a library. It's supposed to adjust the audio accordingly I mean my AirPods do that with adaptive, you know, it's sound to a point, right? You know, I I have I have some options here, but are these supposed to work better? Yeah, I mean It's interesting because one of the things Bose is touting Another thing Bose is sounding I should say is like the immersive audio and people are like in it's a little bigger Personally, I'd rather have pure audio. It's you know, the audio is definitely going to adjust But they're not going to be loud enough to deal with a really cranky commuter bus You know, I can think of a particular bus that I used to take in and out of Oakland or super loud city streets Mostly, I think these are for people who want to you know Hear a car before they get run over or the baby fussing in the next room and find, you know There's a lot of earbuds that will allow you to hear things from outside But you know a lot of that sort of like hear the outside world setting on your earbuds Takes it from a microphone amplifies it in a weird way and then stuffs it in on top of your music in a way that I Personally find awful and distracting and not a very good listen to the outside So I think it's why open-ear buds are so popular with so many people because it's it's a more natural layering of audio If you can call having little ears strapped or little speakers strapped to your ears sounding natural But honestly, it can be really cool if you're into it And obviously these things are going to have the bass that you would have within the ear earbuds As I mentioned no noise canceling Also, they don't give you a wireless charging case. You have to buy that separately But they are more stable and more comfortable for long-term wear. So so patrick Are they worth the two hundred ninety nine dollar price? To me Not so much to open ear folks who are looking for the bestest in comfort Maybe that's one of the things that pretty much all the reviews have have Called out that these are much more comfortable than they expected You know two hundred ninety nine dollars is a lot of money for you know for most people for earbuds or for open earbuds You know, there are a lot of options out there You know people who are Bose enthusiasts people who really like the comfort factor They're going to be all over these otherwise. I think they sound very expensive for what they are compared to Yeah, I think the comfort part of this is is is the real selling point I I've you know, I'm wearing over your headphones for our show because That's just what feels comfortable for me doing the show when I'm out and about I sometimes use my noise canceling option on my air pods But often especially if I'm walking around, you know, yes in traffic, especially at night I want to hear the world around me. So pass through is really important. But I still Uh, you know, if somebody were to come up to me and ask a question I still instinctively pull one of them out of my ear because I'm trying to hear as best as possible This feels like maybe maybe it's a natural middle ground Yeah, I mean also I think pulling the pulling the earbud out is a sign of respect like just because I can hear you It's just you know, when somebody's talking to me with their ear, you know, their headphones on or their earbuds in Um, I mean, you know one I'm gonna say something that's going to make certain people in the audience laugh really hard Um, you know, my son has finally figured out my oldest son has finally figured out He doesn't have to talk real loud just because he's wearing headphones And then sort of the next step is him it was him realizing also that if you pull the headphone off and look at someone They understand that you're paying attention to them Uh, and I I think that's just a sign of respect. Um, you know, I also I don't pull my ear ring out These these are like earrings, right? Your earring isn't in your you know, your canal your earring isn't singing This isn't in my ear canal either. It's just hanging outside of it. Yeah Well, that's the point I'm making about the in-ear earbuds even if you can hear the world around you pretty well I think you know, a lot of us still kind of go like, yeah, let me let me let me hear even better But I think that's polite too and also I think it also here better because I find the pass through audio Sort of like I just I find even on some high-end devices. I find it really meh at best I also will flat out say that for example I will not ride in the city or almost anywhere period with your buds in that the idea of of of You know, it just it terrifies me not being able to hear the you know, the world around me I don't even like snowboarding with your buds in so that's maybe one of my peculiarities But the open-ear devices to me are much more natural in the way that they actually You know let you hear real sounds not process sounds coming through You know the the dsp and the amplifiers inside your tiny little earbuds Well on thursday's show, we told you about open ai announcing a new text to video research project called sora Only for now available to certain creators and security experts who are red teaming it for safety vulnerabilities basically Trying to make it do bad things so that they can say hey company fix this before the general public gets access So we use a version of the diffusion model used by dolly and gpt4 Generates a video by starting off with one that is more or less just a bunch of static transforms it to make a finished product, which is Surprising and delighting many people out there and also terrifying others It can reportedly produce up to 60 second video clips people with access are having a real fun time sharing examples online I'm having a fun time watching these examples with mostly incredible videos some examples though Of it not working exactly perfectly You know you've got you've got the same old hey people's hands look weird or hey those those people You know walking down that path in kiyoto would have run into the fence eventually, but the video cut off Little things like that open ai researchers posted a sora technical paper on thursday evening titled video generation models as world simulators Noting that sora can generate videos of an arbitrary resolution and aspect ratio up to 1080p And perform a range of image and video editing tasks Looping videos for example changing the background in a video that already exists Sora can also simulate digital worlds. This one's interesting for example a prompt containing the word minecraft had sora render a Pretty convincing looking minecraft like HUD and game Yeah, I feel like these are are very clearly going to have pretty close to the same evaluation as we've had of all these other tools Like chat gpt which is very impressive When you first see them probably not as scary as some people are worried they will be and then Useful for for specific things like if you're a video game developer and you want to create a minecraft like World this can speed that up for you for sure. There might be some editing I could see some descript like stuff where where descript does for audio that this could do for video Overall the only thing I'm really disappointed about is the fact that open ai is releasing this and telling us about it But keeping it the most restricted of any of its products that it has talked about publicly so far Which is the opposite direction that the google has been going with open ai is making it more restricted every time They talk about something google is making their products more open every time they talk about something Remember google had lots of stuff that they just didn't tell the public about for a long time or only put in academic settings And now you're seeing gemini 1.5 is Available for enterprise widely etc. Etc. So it's interesting to see open ai close up As google starts to open up and they're they're starting to meet in the middle now Is is that part of a reaction to what happened with open ai being released and all the weird things people That's why google opened up for sure. Yeah I don't know I I saw a bunch of these videos earlier today a friend of mine sent them to me And it was interesting watching people argue about how these look very similar to other videos And you know that the learning pool is very small But the thing it kind of blew my mind was I was watching some of these and they're so realistic And the this acts in perfect if you're watching the video stream right now I was laughing because the truck looks good and the background looks good But the dirt coming off the tires is completely wrong having spent hundreds of hours following You know desert vehicles spraying dust like that But the crocheted helmets that you know people watching on the video saw at the beginning of this segment looked fantastically real along with the face of the yarn astronaut person That was wearing it and it's it it is really odd What ai doesn't do well the waves look pretty good crashing on the beach the dust coming off the tires Not so much and and part of me is like What is it with the fingers? Why are they so hard to render? Yeah, there there are other examples of you know, somebody takes a bite out of a burger But then the burger doesn't have the bite marks. Yeah You know little kind of physics stuff that if you're not paying super close attention Maybe you could be fooled and I think that's what scares everybody is we're gonna be fooled Well, okay, so there there are several things that people are worried about creative folks. These things are awful And also they're so good. They'll fool all of us. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's like you've got you've got the very warranted Fear from people saying oh gosh, this is my job What's you know, what's my job gonna look like in another year? You know, this is all happening so fast and then you got the folks saying like, yeah, we're gonna, you know There's there was a bloomberg Article that made the rounds today of you know, we're we're in an election year And you know when when it starts to get to you know, august september are we gonna have some Sora generated videos that are gonna fool people that That circulate online. I mean the answer is yes, they will And so it kind of turns into this is awesome. It's amazing And it's scary because we don't know what it's going to do yet I mean a and by the way, like none of the videos that I've even seen are a full minute But even if they are 60 seconds long, it's like, okay, where do they go? Where do they go to so that they Fool me and terrify me. I don't I don't know yet. I don't know how this is super bad. It's just that I think it's It's it works so well that people Instinctively want to be afraid I don't know if parmie olson is being paid by google or not But he should be uh because what he's doing is saying Oh open ai gave us no timeline on when they're going to release this to actual people But i'm still worried, uh, which is going to push open ai to keep things even more restricted Which is exactly what google should want is open ai to not release its stuff As widely as it used to because that's how chat gpt got so popular as they just put it out there In the world. So it's it's interesting to watch all of that take place Another thing that's interesting to watch at least i hope for you is tom's top five on our youtube channel youtube.com Slash daily tech news show i break down five things you need to know about technology These are quick 60 seconds and i will tell you about the top five home computers that had a second chance At success as video game consoles top five home computers given a second life as video game consoles Watch it right now at daily tech news show on tiktok picx on instagram or youtube.com slash daily tech news show Wired's matt burges, uh wrote up an article titled i stopped using passwords. It's great and a total mess Uh, and it talks about him living with just pass keys. He tried to never use a password To access his accounts just pass keys Said they're more secure. Uh, they are quicker But pass keys front end implementation Still a work in progress. Uh, he gives a couple of examples one is bit wardens web browser extension supports pass keys But the mobile app doesn't In another instance burges had to update his operating system to one that supports pass keys Which stalled his paypal pass key process Burges said that once you have a trusted device like a phone or ube key or your browser As your pass key authenticator you might just want to stick with that one It can be easy to have pass keys in multiple locations and that can add to your own Confusion it is one of the benefits though is you can have pass keys in multiple locations Patrick you've been using pass keys more. What's your experience been? And and do you have any tips and recommendations on folks who are starting to use these? Oh my goodness. Um, it's been yeah Okay, let me flat out say Captain, you know, it's it's a toss up right whether in any given day roger or i are more cynical You know and and I will I will say like This you know, I started hearing about this about a year ago. Um, the promise is glorious, right? There's the google's words pass keys are an easier and more secure alternative to passwords Then that you're signing with just your fingerprint face scan or screen lock Now these are google's words not mine, but the reality is is it's actually I mean it's it is delightful and weird to see apple And google microsoft and apple amazon and apple one password and dash landed last pass all working to move us All to a land where people aren't 80 kinds of awful about securing their accounts, right? Like, you know, one of the stats that's been thrown up is 60 of of all Uh, you know, I'll call it cyber crimes and so I don't want to say hacking You know is is related to fishing attacks and passwords, uh and stealing passwords You know So the idea of making it easier to secure your passwords easier to Manage having good password hygiene is fantastic. And also i'm still just delighted with apple cooperating with microsoft and the google Um, it's because it's just so weird to see these these organizations working together Uh to make my life better or the life of the security professionals at your company better You know, I started thinking about it as I started playing around with this stuff To some degree burges Uh and everybody else to them because this is having a classic tech evolution migration problem Stuff sucks a lot until it sucks less and then it sucks less and then you haven't thought about you Then you you have a problem and it's like I haven't really had a problem with this in a year and a half Right, this is something we've been through with like every iteration of every new technology Folks adapting pass keys in early 2023. We're having much worse experiences than burges was now Um, should you be moving to a pass key? That's kind of a big maybe Uh, especially for a hip Hoopy audience that knows where the towels are like the dts audience If you have a good, you know, if you have good password hygiene and use a password manager Pass keys are an alternative that may be a more secure alternative But you're already way ahead of the curve because you have good passwords and good password hygiene Um, you know and much like working or I should say moving from one password manager to a new one The old one i'm thinking of shall remain nameless less tom give me his disappointed face for calling someone out in a rude fashion It's kind of a pain I had to uh because hundreds of passwords. I it was funny because I was trying to figure out how many passwords I have And I was scrolling through my password manager trying to count and I got to like a hundred and something before I got to the bees I might be able to kill 20 or 30 percent of those because I no longer have that account because the website doesn't exist anymore But if you've been doing this for a while, you may have a ridiculous number of passwords And maybe it's time to start getting rid of the old ones Um, but for the the biggest things pass keys are trying to fix You know for all of these companies and for all of the companies and it's a crazy list of companies that are working on this Um people who share passwords across multiple accounts people who never change their passwords Um, you know, these are the people who really should be considering moving to a pass key system Um, they are very resistant to phishing. They are not phishing proof, right? If you get a clever attack that kind of convinces you to type into a password instead of using your pass key Uh, you're phished, right? Uh, you know, not to sound obvious, but don't do that these Uh, you know, nobody I've talked to in the serious security side of things Uh has heard of uh, no either either nobody's talking or nobody's heard of any Remotely successful attempts to crack these systems people are just starting to dig into them Um, but every security professional I've talked to is all for people doing a better job sucking less than passwords Uh, and this really the whole pass key system sounds way easier to manage than a traditional password manager For a lot of folks. So that's that's kind of where my head is that on this um, I'm experimenting with it because This actually seems smart and because I'm trying to get my kids to be you know more Password forward password friendly password awesome Um, you know, and I'm also going to say this because I'm captain backup Uh, two is one one is none to abuse a phrase figure out your plan for if you know What happens if you drop your phone into the mississippi or throw your security out in the garbage before you need it? You know, this is not like you know locking your your bitcoin wallet, uh, and then leaving it in landfill But it's is one of those things where Work out your plan or your concept before you're trapped in a corner trying to get the last Plain, you know, I mean like just just do it's one of the reasons you might want to keep pass keys on more than one device Uh, even though burgess says it's easier to keep them on one device Also, it's a reason why you might want to give a secure email When you sign up for a pass key because that's a way to reset your pass key And if you don't if you opt not to give them that email then you're not going to have that avenue of recovery and as to phishing I I do I do want to make it clear to folks pass keys are phishing proof But if a system doesn't use only pass keys, you can still get phished And that's what patrick was pointing out is like if you've still got a password as a backup Well, you could still get phished for that password until until sites get rid of the password backup option altogether Which is probably not going to happen for a lot of them because that's the other way to do a backup There's all those people out there just using the lose that that that pass key advantage, but Yeah, we have an episode of know a little more if you if you search for know a little more about pass keys out there It talks a little more about the details of how this all works if you have questions about it, but you know the short version is These are stored on your device not in the cloud So they can't be breached and you don't have to remember what they are But you also don't have to remember a master password for a password manager So they are more secure than passwords and in those two ways specifically All right, let's check out the mailbag Let's do it norm weighed in on a conversation We had with justin robert yarn yesterday about social networks herding kids This was in response to new york city going after some of the social networks saying you're hurting kids Norm said I just don't understand the problem. Keep your kids off the phones and tablets parents parent Put limits on their time on social media find out what they're doing I regularly check out what my kids history is to update things now norm was not the only person who wrote in in fact We got some real nice emails from some of you and thank you for those saying great conversation I think this this just hits a nerve for a lot of people, especially parents I'm trying to figure out how we navigate this world norm might be Over over simplifying the the issues depending on your household. But yeah, I I think that's certainly a good place to start Yeah, no, we we had a lot of people who were were very complimentary about good day internet yesterday and leaving Comments on our patreon and and really really enjoyed that that extended conversation. So thanks to everybody for for writing in on that Patrick, do you side with norm on this as a as a father? I Did not hear the conversation yesterday I'm very embarrassed to admit that in front of everyone. Um, I You know, I it's all right No, it's funny, right all all of the computers in the house are in an open space So that we can kind of keep tabs on what the kids are doing On their computers and of course I can do super tech dad stuff and keep an eye on what's going over their machines I also find that keeping kids off the phones and tablets gets harder and harder as they get older and older and Phones become a normal tool for communications with their friends but So I don't know how old justin Robert Young's kids are But he doesn't have kids rob Dunwood co-host yesterday that does Teenage and a little bit older, but uh, yeah our main the conversation we were having We were having and we didn't all have one single point, you know to to give to anybody it was more of a your mileage may vary and You know, you know, if somebody's tick tock for you feed has a bunch of videos that end up making the kid feel like garbage Well, that's just not good. So yeah, I mean I Short notice like do social network hurt kids? Absolutely Am I grateful if my kids basically participate on no social networks and have no interest in them? And my teenager is aggressively against them. I am very thankful for that I have my witness, you know the emotional destruction of children through social media Second hand from friends. Yeah, which is, you know Never underestimate the power of a generation to have backlash against the generation in front of it to change attitudes and behaviors Let's talk to my generation. Len Peralta. Len has been illustrating today's show Len fellow gen Xer. What have you drawn for us today? You know, uh, this week. We just celebrated fat tuesday I don't know if anybody has celebrated fat tuesday, but you know, I don't know what the big deal about pass keys are I am a big You know, I think they're delicious these Um, I think you may be mishearing. We were talking about pass key the encrypted Token on your computer that makes total sense I was like that that makes no sense when you're talking about the polish donut that people usually eat on fat Pash key. Yeah Yeah, that's spelled I did enjoy some I wouldn't try to log in Securely with a polish posh posh key. Okay. Yeah It's gonna get into the keyboard Yeah, it's just you know, it's a great idea in theory Get it If you want to take a look at this, uh Or if you want to get it You can just go to my patreon patreon.com forward slash lend Where you can back me at the dts lover level and it is yours to have or you can go the old-fashioned way Go to my online store at lend peralta store.com and maybe even uh, you know, um, ask me to draw something for you I could use some commission. So there you go Patrick Norden always a pleasure. 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