 Welcome back to the 21 convention 2017 of Rolanda, Florida ten-year anniversary special event Our next speaker is the profound and best-selling author of the rational male book series volumes one two and three And you can find him on his blog that is very popular around the world at the rational male calm Before he comes up, I want to make a quick point to say that Out of everyone that's impacted me in my life As a mentor as a friend as a business partner as a colleague as a speaker I don't know anyone who has ever impacted my life so positively so rapidly so deeply in a 12 month time span His support for me personally in this convention over the past 12 13 months has been Unreal without further ado, please help me welcome the stage Rolo Tomasi Well I'm Rolo Tomasi This is my first public appearance using my real face and real time I've made one prior Speaking engagement with the man-of-demand conference about two years ago and that went really well And I just want to say that I'm real thankful to Anthony for giving me this opportunity and to be here with the rest of You guys I know a lot of you people flew in from You know God knows where So I just want to say I really appreciate you and thank you for being here so What I want to get into today as if you hadn't known already is If you know the word hypergamy or hypergamy however you want to say that This is a term that I pretty much own if you go to Google right now and you type in hypergamy the next entry Below the Wikipedia entry will be my blog. I don't think anybody has done more More involved work more study for hypergamy as a term as a dynamic as Just a social Social dynamic a personal dynamic a psychological dynamic than what I've done myself And that's not to gloss myself or to toot my own horn. It's just that this is a topic that I feel is Probably the single most important Dynamic that's involved in all of our lives just you know, I guess it personally psychologically sociologically of our time and The reason I think that this is such a an important You know dynamic is it's just it is the underpinning of a lot of the things that we But we don't even realize what's going on. We don't understand what's going on But beneath the surface of our interactions with women even legislation when it comes to divorce court when it comes to abortion when it comes to Just consent laws things like that a Lot of that finds its primary root in Hypergamy and so that's what I'm going to get into primarily today Most of you probably already know me I'm the proprietor of the rational male blog Anybody got my book? I'm sure you probably do the the rational male the very first book is Something that I really felt that I had to do I Don't do this for a living. This is I'm an author. Yes, but I also have a lot of irons in the fire professionally so Doing this kind of thing is not really what I do for a living But it's something that I feel like I have to get done. I have to put it out there. I have to make them, you know It relate this stuff Just last night when we're talking at the meet and greet. I have so many guys coming up to me and they're relating to me stories that are so common that I've heard over and over and over again and my my primary interest in in guise is to ask them what it is that Brought them to the red pill. What is that woke them up to even wanting to look up online? My my work the Manusphere in general I'm what's known as one of the three Rs of the Manusphere. There's rollo Royce and Roosh and We are what's known kind of collectively as the Godfathers of the red pill and I think that there is Some crisis there is some trauma that goes on in our lives as men that force us to Try to figure out what it is that's going on. We want to we go online. We go How do I get my girlfriend back? How why is it that she left me? All these questions. I mean that I think a single most common The most common problem I get from guys is that they want to get their girlfriend back Or they want to make things right and I see this problem as sort of It's really a symptom of something a whole lot deeper. It's a symptom of us Being blue pill to begin with and having that conditioning from the time that we're we're kids You know from as young as like even five years old how we're brought up and how we're how we're taught to defer to the feminine and To what we think is like our best our best way to become intimate with a woman our best way to become Sexual of course, but also to seek out an intimate relationship with a woman. Everyone in here has game everyone in here has a Way that they think is best to go from point a to point B And I'll tell you right now that that that direction or that path is always going to be colored by Hypergamy and what is hypergamy right now? Hypergamy is if we were just to say From a sociological Perspective and that's where the term came from it came from a sociological Background or a sociological theater. It means that women marry up and that's as simple as it goes And nobody really wants to investigate it that much more. They want to leave it alone and say it's just a sociological thing You know gender is a social construct and this is part of that social construct. So yeah, everybody wants to have a An optimization of some sort they always want to look for the bigger and the better thing I will tell you right now that hypergamy is unique to the female is not a There's not a comparison in the male side of things and we'll get to that today, too I'm just going to give a real quick story here I had a I had a friend who had my book and He was reading through it and his girlfriend as living girlfriend kept you know wanting to say what is this rational male stuff? Why are you why are you reading this? You know what do you even need to know this kind of stuff? Shouldn't you know this shit already, right? And so he's like reading through these up, but it's all true You know he's he's going through and he's you know trying to keep it secret and so his wife or his girlfriend takes a book from him and she starts reading it on her own and He discovers that she's taken my book and and about a week or two later She comes back to him and she says you know what everything in this book is true But you shouldn't know this you should already know this, but you shouldn't know this and I always tell that story because it's sort of where we are as a society right now where we We're seeking this stuff out and we're going on to Google and we're looking what is hyper again What is this? We're looking for these these answers, but they're answers that we should know But we should but we shouldn't know as well. We should know them Intrinsically we should know them because we're guys and we you know God forbid you actually have to go and find some sort of guide that would teach you how to get laid You know god forbid you would have to actually look for some education in how to better Go about interacting with with women and I'm not just talking about you know personally and you know relationship wise I'm talking about your mom your sister You know your co-workers if you know if you have a female boss All of this again comes back to hypergaming and we're gonna get into that here in just a moment Before we do though, we're going to have to define a few terms and I'm sure that you've already heard most of these already, but I run kind of I Run kind of an interactive type thing here. I'm really good when it comes to audience participation So if you have a question at any time during this, please feel free to raise your hand and we'll talk about whatever it is That's on your mind, but I think the most important things to understand is The alpha and the beta dichotomy right now and I think that there's a lot of misconceptions between what we consider an alpha guy and a beta guy and All of my critics will tell you well If a guy is alpha, there's no such thing as an alpha I don't I don't believe in this alpha male bullshit Okay, because they they compare that alpha male to a wolf or they compare it to a silverback gorilla or they make it Etymological meaning that they try to compare You know animalistic natural side of whatever alpha is because we're looking at an alpha male in a wolf pack or an alpha male in a gorilla, you know troop Then we're looking at something that's completely different and so when I Refer to the terms alpha and beta always understand that those are placeholder terms They are abstracts and they are placeholders for an idea So when guys tell me, you know, there's no such thing as an alpha Well, there's no such thing as an alpha by your definition of it just as for hypergamy the definition for hypergamy when it was a sociological a Sociological definition it deserves a whole lot more than that it deserves so much more from you know an understanding from Evolutionary psychology from evolutionary biology There's so much that builds up to what hypergamy should be But we're still we shouldn't know this we go back to the you shouldn't know this kind of stuff We should just keep it as one, you know, it's very simplistic Hypergamous definition so the same applies also for alpha and beta now I'm going to do a second speech or a second talk Tomorrow and we're gonna talk about positive masculinity and it's also I'm sure everybody else will be here But it's important to know these terms even before I get into that so Just off the top of your head, can you guys give me some sort of Adjective or definition of what you think an alpha male is Confident leading the group What's that a sort of good Strong boundaries, okay No expectations, okay Self-interested self-concerned yes balanced Okay, a lot of the a lot of the and these are very common terms of what I would expect from guys who want to Apply certain Demographics to what alpha is and if anybody has read the book where I get into my alpha male descriptions There is an element to to being that alpha guy to being the one that is looked up to A lot of guys want to say it's it's about being a leader of men They want to say that it's been an asshole, you know being an unconcerned self-concerned Individual others would like to say well you can be a leader of community you can be a Politician maybe you know there's certain politicians you would say are certainly beta You know certain politicians that you would say are alpha But what we're doing when we talk about those adjectives is we're applying Our own ideals onto what the ideal guy is so here we have the alpha male Who's this ideal and we're taking whatever we think is going to define? What would work best for us so say some guy is he's like he's a pastor and he's a business leader and he's an Executive and he commands attention and he has status doesn't necessarily mean he's alpha He's got those Qualities as part of the demographic that we're applying to that But is he alpha or is he not now you can also say that Prisons are full of alpha males right now so you can be you know Genghis Khan was a fantastic alpha male, but it was certainly on a lot of guys shit lists back in back in his time so I Want you guys to sort of drop everything that you think of as far as what an alpha male is to you and use that definition and I'm also going to apply this to to beta males use that definition as As an abstract use use your definition put your definition definitions aside and use alpha male It's just a simple abstract here and the same is going to go for beta I don't know if anybody's familiar with with box day and box days classifications of alpha Sigma gamma and all that I think that has some merit to it I really do as far as defining terms of concern, but For my purposes and for every everything that I write alpha and beta are always going to be abstract So there's alpha that is the more positive Dominant masculine guy that women want to fuck and there's the beta who is the more passive You know supplicating more supportive some of that guy who believes in in being the supportive male and and sort of you know being the Provision or because I get into Terminologies of alpha fucks and beta bucks, and I'm sure you guys have already read all that stuff so Just for the moment put that aside and just think of them as binary binary definitions What is the red pill what is the red pill to people? Anybody want to give me a deaf in their own definition of what they think the red pill is right now, uh-huh Okay, that's that's a real good general term for the red pill. Yes. I really think that red pill as a definition again is starting to get a little bit clouded when I was First coming up and I was first writing my books and I was first writing the blog I came up from a forum called so swab and I was a moderator on there And I can show you posts from back in 2002 or we started making references to the matrix because the matrix was an easy Reference for people to understand they could say well here's the red pill and here's the blue pill And we didn't really even call it. Oh, I you got red pill then you got blue pill It was more about being unplugged and was being unplugged from your upbringing and where you had been raised into a Feminine or to to really to defer to the feminine and to be educated in such a way where you are taking the feminine You're putting the feminine up on a pedestal now I'm gonna get into this in the second talk, but just for sake of argument here for when I'm referring to the red pill I'm referring to intersexual dynamics only in this okay I know a lot of guys from the alt-right are saying well, you know the red pill is this Even guys from from the MRAs are saying we're gonna be red pill even though They you know never wanted to be red pill until they had their documentary out So there's a lot of people who are saying I'm red pill. I'm red. I've been talking to you know post-modernist liberals who are saying that we're the real red pill and so what is the red pill as You know it's hard it if it if it means being cut away from an old system that is false to being true Then yeah, I guess I can sort of understand that I understand that it's nobody has really a monopoly on what the red Pill is but for sake of this discussion right now red pill is only going to be applied towards intersexual dynamics and in that I mean what you knew as a blue pill guy when you were when you were younger and when You were coming up through school and this is usually the progression of most guys is there they're raised to you know Never hit a girl. No, you know take her Take her textbooks home from school and be nice to her and always defer to the woman. It was always a a progression that guys go through to Get from being female deference to being an adult with those same Ideologies and those same sort of implanted expectations of deferring to the feminine and it takes a while for for guys to ever since it takes a while it takes a crisis or it takes a trauma that That wakes you up from that and in this sense, that's what I really feel that the red pill is I was talking to some guys last night and my like some of my primary Concern of my primary, you know first question I like to ask guys is how did you come to being red pill and almost? Almost universally they've gone through some sort of crisis Where what they had learned when they were kids or when they were in their blue pill phase has been challenged and if not just simply outright crushed and They they don't know what to do with themselves They they you know go online and start looking for answers and maybe they find my site. Maybe they find Harteased Maybe they find something else and then they you know go from there and then decide to rebuild themselves into something different So when I refer the red pill it's really that Transition from your old life and from what you used to think about about women to where you are right now And how you're going to live your life in the future. So that's what I have Finally or I say getting back to a few other things here when I mean when I'm doing this this talk here How many people know what the HB rating system is like HB 9 HB 10? Okay, very a pickup artist terminology I'm not going to use HB, but whenever I say SMB, which is sexual market value SMB values are kind of comparative to what an HB value is we have to quantify certain things I feel in the red pill we have to say if you've got a guy who is a five and you got a girl who is a five There are still differences between those girls even though, you know subjectively they are still of the same sexual market value and Even when they seem to be equal, they're not equal So whenever I say something about SMB or sexual market value what I'm talking about is your your social value Maybe your physique, maybe your how your outlook on life whether your alpha or your beta So there's certain things that qualify you up to what you know We could all relatively agree would be a certain sexual market value Anybody seen my sexual market value graph? Yeah, so send all the books That's a lot of people gave me grief for that because they say well It should only be physical actually a guy a guy's sexual market value should only be a physical Standard and it should only be you know So if a guy is 36 which I'm saying you know between 33 and 36 or 38 years old That I really feel is a man's peak time for his sexual market value. Well, everybody wants to say well You know, you're not as good looking as you were you know when you're 24 is when you are you know 34 and you might have a case for that depending on how You know how much you let yourself go, but there are other factors involved for men's evaluation for sexual market value and so That chart was really first of all it was meant to be kind of like loose science It wasn't necessarily something I was supposed to be like here's the hard facts It was just what I was seeing in in society. It was just what I was seeing in like if you if you look at the the pay grades for female actresses and male Male actors you will see almost an identical Graph to that as to what they're going to make at different times in their lives because it's a mirror of that of The sexual market value There's other things as well like okay Cupid has some dataclysm that the book dataclysm has some Statistics in there that are pretty much a mirror of the sexual market value one that I that I produced myself So I kind of made a hobby out of collecting all of these these graphs that that mirror that exact same thing All right, and last but not least the man is fear Anybody have an idea what the man is fear is want to tell me what your Definition of the man is fear is it all yeah collection of blood Yeah, okay anybody else man is fear because a lot of people are wanting to sort of broaden the definition of what the man is fear should Entail right now. So maybe it's has to do with a political agenda Maybe it has to do also has to do with a religious agenda some some Different convictions and things like that when I'm talking about the man is fear It's pretty pretty close to what you're saying is it's a collection or it's a consortium of guys coming together and sharing their experience you all in here are the man is fear and I'll do I did this at the man-in-demand conference I'd like you guys to do it again look around you right now see these guys in this room These are the guys that you're interacting with when you're on Twitter or when you're on a forum or when you're on the reddit forum These are the guys you are actually real people here. Okay? it's real easy to get Fracted because of You know we're in such an isolated You know we're confined when we're typing away or it's a lot different to speak to somebody and see somebody face-to-face Then it is to type something out on on Twitter and Your your thought process on Twitter your thought process when you're writing something is a whole lot different than when you're You're speaking together So I really think it's important that you notice you'd note that you're not alone. I mean we're the the red pill reddit forum just exceeded what 250,000 subscribers or something like that just recently so That's just that's just that forum There's so much more that's going on right now And I think that it you just to say that the red pill is just a group of these guys who are just very angry people or the Manifers just guys who are part of this particular agenda Don't think that you're isolated and don't allow that compartmentalization to happen when you're when you're thinking about this kind of stuff so now we're going to move on to hypergamy and Like I said originally hypergamy was a sociological term. I am redefining it I'm taking this and I'm turning this into something that I really think that red pill men should be able to Understand and to use be you know make something that's useful for them Like so I think we need a very much broader broader definition here well hypergamy is based on a woman's menstrual cycle and These are the basics here. These are the the most fundamental building blocks a lot of the stuff that we go from here All the way up to making our legislation for abortion or making our legislation for Consent laws or making our legislation for divorce laws and things like that all that comes back to this now I throw this up here first because this is a menstrual strike I'm sure we've all had sex ed at some point in our lives and What the cycle does is it it will follow a 28-day phase 14 the 14th day being the ovulatory phase where you can see the Egg comes out of the ovum and you also will notice here I think this is the really the most important part right here is the hormone levels and you're looking at Lutonous hormone and estrogen follicular Signaling hormone. I believe that what it is Yeah, FSH and so you'll notice the spike. That's right here. Okay Everything from this side Over here is what I usually call right up right up to right in here is what I call the alpha phase right around here is going to be the beta phase and When I get to the next the next slide, you'll you can get a little bit better idea of that But you can see what's going on here You also see the basal body temperature jumps all the way up until she gets back into her follicular phase In the follicular phase or it's also known as the proliferative phase. This is when her a woman's Her tendencies her her behaviors are going to be more attracted to her are going to show that she's more attracted to more masculinized men more alpha Men if you will Here's this is where we're at for Audulatory shift, okay Audulatory shift is a principal or it's a dynamic that has been Studied for gosh at least for the last 20 25 years now and What it is is it's a series of research. I'm done mostly by Marty Hasselton. There's a gangsta. There's a few other really prominent Evolutionary psychologists who have done this work for us But during the high fertility phase women are more interested in alpha masculine dominance arrogance With a confident controls of what we were describing about being an alpha male We're looking they're looking for more masculine eyes features. They're looking for more into short-term breeding. They're also looking for Vocal cues that for themselves as well as as their own Ways of attracting that so if you've ever been in a situation where your girlfriend says she wants to go out on a Girls night out nine times out of ten. It's going to be in the high fertility phase because they're going out and looking for Looking for a you know a sexual opportunity or a breeding opportunity during that during this phase So the follicular phase is defined by an increase in sexual interest in Masculinized men with masculine eyes features all of these features are Testosterone based so they're looking for men with a lower, you know lower voice more muscular Squared off jaw anything that's a masculin eyes feature during this phase and this is what I call like I said This is what I call the alpha phase right here They're looking for that v taper. They're looking for that guy who is you know, and this is just presented there No, we're just talking about Just visual cues at this stage Okay, not talking about anything else because you can you can be a buff guy You can you can look like Ivan here. Okay, and if your Communications or your sub communications are such that you're effeminate, but you still look like a really buff guy That's sending conflicting signals. So when we're just talking about visual cues We're just talking about what the guy looks like what he sounds like his physical his physical presence Now getting on that there's also a need for masculine dominance during this phase They're looking for confidence and assurance confidence as well as assertiveness pretty much any kind of Any kind of high testosterone cues at that point they've done Research with women who when they are in this phase They can take the t-shirt sweat from guys who are one more masculinized and one more You know quite not as masculinized and they will let the women smell these and it will almost always go for the high tee guys Shirt as smelling sexier than the other than the other guys. So there's also an olfactory Cues that go along with that as well so The reason for this well, we'll get we'll move on to the beta the beta set here if there's any questions, please You know speak up. Yeah Well, you know, that's a that's a good question Yes, but in a in a much more it still follows the same the same pattern But it's it's much more depressed and I'll get to that later on when we when we get through here a little bit more So Beyond this into the beta phase. This is where they're looking for more comfort and more looking for that provisioning type thing We'll talk about that here in a second, but the evolutionary the evolutionary purpose the latent purpose for this is to breed with the best You know breeding stock that a woman can find at that particular time Hypergamy is defined by two things. It's defined by alpha fucks and beta bucks and on this side of ovulation It's alpha fucks on this side of ovulation. It's beta bucks and when we're when we're talking about You know this side of things when in high fertility, these are all Features that would provide for the sexy son's theory. I'm not sure if anybody's familiar with the sexy son's theory But it's wanting to have offspring that retain that kind of you know these kind of survival level Traits and attributes for for their own children. That's because it gives them a higher, you know survivability in the wild So we're looking at an evolved system right here that is within a woman's subconscious and really During this time here people are one of the most common questions I get from this is how do I how do I figure out when? You know whether a woman is in the follicular phase or she's in the luteal phase I don't know any of this kind of stuff and There are actually ways that men are already sensitive to this Anybody anybody familiar with what make guarding is? Where it's like guys will do these behaviors and they'll try to be very possessive of their girlfriends, you know Like say she's right here. She says I'm gonna go out with my friends and we're gonna go to do a Gno, and we really want to have a girl's night out, you know We're just having fun. Don't worry about that guy And so what does the guy do is he tries to snow bitch? You're not you're not going anywhere You're my you know, you're my girl and I'm keeping you around the other behavioral stuff that happens during this is With women who are in a paired set whether they're married or they've got a long-term boyfriend if they are not Satisfied with that guy at this particular stage. That's when they start nagging and that's when they start you know making the the relationship terms very very difficult for that guy and To the point where it comes to a head and she wants she just says fuck you I'm out slams the door and goes off and does her own thing and then two days later comes back in Herlodial phase, and I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I shouldn't you know I I didn't mean to it. I don't know what came over me. Well, she probably really didn't know what came over you However, there are cues and triggers that guys understand that their woman is in the ovulatory phase and usually for guys who are in a Paired matching that is satisfactory to a woman She will then become more Sexually aroused by that guy that she is in that relationship with I think socrates was just saying that When You can track your woman's you know ovulatory phase if assuming you have you know a long-term steady girlfriend Once you do that in understanding when you need to up the alpha during this phase and bring things down a little bit In the in the beta sort of provisioning phase right here that can help you out with understanding You know how you can if you get get that down to a science and really internalize that you can then Use that to your advantage in a long-term relationship, but within that long-term relationship if The woman is satisfied with that that guy. It's during that time that she's go for first wall she's more likely to conceive and Second of all she's more likely to have a higher Proceptivity to wanting to have sex with with that guy So there's also a downside to that as well because if that woman is of a lower SMV Then the guy that she's really really you know hot for in her paired couple. That's when she starts make guarding You she's the one who will say you know I don't want you going out of the chill get really really super jealous and Most of the times when that happens It's almost always right here because she can tell other women and women are sensitive to the the the cues and the subconscious cues To knowing when another woman is in her ovulatory phase so During this phase Women will start dressing sexy they'll start putting on you know different clothes and they'll they feel sexy report feeling sexier During during this particular phase. I'm gonna move on a little bit here cuz this Might come back to that. These are the behavioral functions that go along with this So during the peak fertility phase she might Her she might not know this a lot of women don't really understand what it is that they're going through when they're doing this But their voices their voices will drop everybody ever hear the sexy voice and I go the woman talks to you like this Yeah, I really want to get you know, that's when you start talking dirty and everything But the the voice intonations come down. That's the one sexy voice sort of manifests itself during that phase They they also smell different too. There's also similar to the t-shirt test Women in When they're in their ovulatory phase They did the similar t-shirt test for guys of which one smells sexier the girl who's in the high fertility or the girl That's in the low fertility and almost unanimously. It's always in the high fertility. There are ways that guys Perceive this stuff and you don't even know that you're really doing it sometimes if you see a girl at a club There's like some very obvious things like if you see a girl that's by herself in a club or by herself Having a drink in a bar and she's dressed up hella sexy and she doesn't have any guys around her And she's just basically on her own. What does that say that says I'm looking for some kind of companionship? Well, that's easy. That's that's the extreme end of things then back that off by order of degrees as to You know the subtlety with which a woman will will dress During that particular time if she's maybe it's your Maybe it's your female boss your female boss suddenly. She's dressing a little bit differently for that particular week And then the week afterwards. She's really super bitchy So those are some signs that guys can use to pick up on that now There's there's cognitive signs and there's subconscious signs So you might see her behavior change a little bit differently during this time. It might be well. Why is she acting that way? Why is she? You might ask things we have a post called gut check and that's that's about the time when guys start You know checking the phone to see if she's cheating on me They might not have any reason to believe she'd ever cheat on but that'll be the time where that jealousy kind of comes out and I really feel like jealousy on the part of men is really an evolved and Evolved mechanism to ensure paternity and About to get into that here in just a second here, but ornamentation feeling sexy flirtation flirtation increases as well during this this particular time Vocal cues sense. Oh the other thing I should also say is If you have a daughter as I do During the high fertility phase there's research that Indicates that daughters will avoid their fathers and they will avoid their brothers if they have them during this time because again Anything that can get away from that would you know can get it in the way I should say you know be an obstacle to them becoming pregnant is Is Is something that even their hind brains are really already making contingencies for so as they get up to you know feeling sexier Maybe they're more flirtatious. Maybe they've got a guy that they really want to To get with well, they can't do that if dad or brothers around and so they'll tend to avoid those those Relationships until afterwards So that's yet another Another manifestation of high fertility All right, low low fertility on this side on the low fertility fertility side this is what I call the beta side and this is the Don't think blue pill means bad. I'm just saying beta side here for provisioning They're looking for comfort and rapport. They're looking for feminized Facial features something that makes them feel comfortable something that makes them feel secure For long-term provisioning familiarity security prevental our parental investment. This is where Women want to feel safe and it's kind of goes back to our hunter-gatherer beginnings where The men were there to be the protectors and it's during this phase that they're more open to you like say Talking to you as if you're an emotional tampon. Okay. I'm sure anybody familiar with the emotional tampon effect That's where you've got a woman who is You know goes out and has sex with a hot alpha here and yet comes back over here and regrets it and wonders why he's not calling her back And this is where all the beta orbiters live. Okay, these are the guys who are who are saying oh, it's okay, babe Don't worry. I'm there for you I would be your perfect boyfriend and it's during this phase that she's going to complain and bitch and cry about the guy That she had sex with a week ago Over here and this is where a lot of more beta blue pill guys kind of lose it because they think that during this This is where they got it. This is they think that this is where their strength lies. I'll tell you right now That is not where your strength But because they are more prone to what a what a beta provider is You know put them out right here. They think that they're they're getting in there They think that they are identifying more with with the feminine during the side so that they're going to have a better chance They're hoping that all of the equity and all of the you know investment that they put into the The beta provisioning side of that is going to pay off when they come back over here But I'll tell you right now the guy she's crying for here is not the guy that she wants to fuck over here So again, they're looking for this is really what I also call the nesting side of things This is when when women become pregnant. This is when we have that those feelings of I've wanting that safety wanting that have that nesting kind of I mean people have probably heard the nesting instinct whenever a woman becomes pregnant a Lot of the same hormones that are involved in that are the ones that you're going to see, you know fluctuating through this one right here Again hormone levels drop Testosterone declines a lot of guys simply think and I'm I know you guys have heard this before Guys want to say that women are more sexual than men. How many people have heard that? Have you heard that before women are more sexual than men or they're they're they're just as sexual as men It may be not more. I'll tell you right now That is a physical impossibility for a woman to do that because men have 12 If you have a healthy man, you have 12 to 17 times the amount of testosterone that a woman has so even even in her highest Phase of fertility at her horniest. She is not as horny as you are 24 hours a day seven days a week for men's sexuality It is always on for women's it is cyclic this right here Just that little hump right there proves that women are not as sexual as you got anybody in this room is right now So again, they're looking for They're looking for Like I said the emotional tampon the phone friends of beta orbiters like I said live over in this side comfort security provisioning and then Something else interesting happens over here and what that is is again, I kind of Planned out this little graph for you here so you can see where the hot and the cold goes There's this side right here in the animal kingdom and even they're making a they're trying to make some real You know concerted research to Prove that human beings that human females go through a state of estrus and I don't know if you guys aren't Understand what estrus is but most mammals go into heat like a dog goes into heat It's it's a part of human biology and primate biology that we have what's called a concealed estrus or concealed fertility and usually that's so that the Primate or the human Can or the human female can use that Concealment to be to be better provided for has an increased survival Chance for that so But during this I've got right here is peak fertility I would say is right around 12 to 13 14 being the day of actual ovulation So this is the like I said the alpha phase right here is an estrus beta phases are here so From from this side. What are the what are the functions or why? What is it that makes these particular phases useful to a woman? We already know what this does We know that that we're increasing our we're increasing a chance of fertility during ovulation during this part But on these sides over here The research shows that on the side of the the beta and the low fertility a lot of this side functions to confuse paternity and the reason I say that is because In the animal king I'm going to go back to the animal kingdom But in the primate kingdom it is a trans we have a Transactional kind of sex and we have a validational kind of sex Okay, there's a kind where it's like it's a reciprocal if I do this for you you give me that Then there is the validational sex, which is Ovulatory sex is it has a function and you're hot for that there that she's hot for you And she wants to have a baby. Okay, so it's just like soccer She was saying a little while ago is it's all comes down to creating a family and putting thing You know putting two people together and you know making things happen now for men's sexual imperative men's Sexual strategy is a lot different than women's sexual strategy. Obviously as you can see here But the one thing that up until we had DNA testing the one thing that men could not ever really 100% determine all that time is paternity and in Like bonobo colonies in gorilla colonies and primate colonies usually this is the side or this is the time when that Transactional sex happens when it is about be like the beta male bringing, you know food and grooming and you know pick picking nits off the off the female to to have breeding rights to her have sexual rights to her and As long as she's not in her estrus phase. She's okay to do that She's okay with okay Maybe I'll have sex with this this beta guy because he's gonna help me out this way or maybe if I lead him on If I be a if I'm a prick tease I can you know get him to shovel the snow off of my car, you know With that with with this side is like I said, it's a confused confused paternity and over here We've got transactional sex, which is Do something for me and I'll do something for you now the I think and Still want to go too far off of here. It's my my belief that Men's part of being masculine a part of being a male at all really is to have a deep desire I think a psychological desire for paternity and there is a deep desire for a need or I should say a need for Certainty in that paternity And to know that that kid is yours It happens in high order mammals all the time where if a alpha male comes in and The previous alpha male was killed or or run-off or whatever that Incoming alpha male will go and kill the offspring of the preceding alpha male And that's because he wants to know damn well that if he is breeding and he is going to Invest himself which is part of parental investment if he's going to invest him himself and his resources in mating with this woman he needs to know 100% sure that that kid is his own and This is right here on this side over here. It's usually It's usually a time to confuse that and keep that alpha male kind of In the dark as to or you know as to what his his paternity Situation really is so when you have When you have like a group we got it like I think really one of the ways that women have evolved Socially as a group is to protect against that is to protect against having an incoming alpha or whoever come in and kill off the offspring and so women tend to Collectivize their their social resources so that they're all you know so that we can't tell who's got whose baby is Whose baby so if you don't know whose baby that is you might as we might be killing your own kid And you might not so during this confusion of paternity here There are social conventions, and there's ways that women like to protect that How that transfers over into our modern-day World it could be women who breed with a Guy in their 20s, and they have the two kids from this really super alpha guy who wouldn't commit and had almost zero parental investment Value to her so now she's a single mother and she's got two kids and she doesn't know what to do with herself and she's over here into the into the beta phase and she Wants to she still wants to have the the security and the provisional side in the long term She still wants to have that going on, but She needs to in some way make that incoming guy The new guy who's coming in there to provide for make him believe that it doesn't matter Whose kids it is? Because if you're if you're a guy who is dating a single mother and you want to adopt the kids and you want to you know Take one for the team. You're basically Signing up for your own cuckoldry. You're basically saying it's okay when you were 24 years old Doesn't matter. I still love you no matter what I'm gonna adopt your kids I'm gonna do all this great stuff for it because of course like I believe in what's called relational equity, but It's during that that time when the man or the the beta guy says he's going to take over the responsibility for the For the alpha the previous alpha that's when you know, we have to make social conventions to To cover that up to confuse not so much confused paternity, but to say paternity is really not that that important so Get something to something to think about Okay Yes I've always sort of imagined the these phases as stretched out over years not on a site not on a short rapid cycling Yes, this helps explain some of the the indecisiveness and capriciousness of women To sort of explain the cyclic changes But you know going after the alphas in their 20s and then they get in their late 30s I mean really force they're like well, I got to find a good guy now to do so that all makes sense Yeah, I mean it I'm gonna get into that later on here But if you read the second book that entire book is dedicated to exactly the problem is that men don't rabbit cycle like that You're kind of beta or your alpha you can't switch back and forth like that So maybe you're gonna talk about this is how this can translate to a men's a man's strategy You know, it's great to understand it But you know, how do you take advantage of it? Okay? Well what we're talking about is two things Okay, this is the short term right here. This is just the month-to-month, okay? We're not talking about stretching out over a year, so we're gonna talk about that here in just a moment And then again getting back to you know, what's the best strategy that you can work for well? I would say during this side right here. You're looking at Upping the alpha and being more dominant and understanding that the woman is already in that That phase of her ovulation and so there are certain game techniques or see you be cocky and funny There's certain things that you can do that are gonna make you a little bit more appealing and to a play on those I think it was Athol K who would wanted to know from Mary-Ban sex life who really wanted to say well You need to have a really more of a balance. I'm saying I'll tell you right now Everybody who has come up from a blue pill beginning already has has all these qualities and spades right now You need it you need to up the alpha you don't need to worry about so much Oh, I gotta I'm gonna hold her hand and make sure that she's safe and secure This is pretty much what most guys in their blue pill conditioning. This is what they're raised for They're not raised for this. This is for the 20% of guys who who get 80% of the women Okay, this right here is the rest of those guys This is the the beta male territory over here because they think that if they can comfort her if they can have This rapport with her that that's going to be what What gets them in later on and they don't realize that they don't have what it takes to Turn her on when it comes into that that particular time. I'm glad you asked that because There is strategic pluralism I'm just going to read this real quick It's this is from a Marty Hassleton study says according to strategic pluralism theory men have evolved to To pursue reproductive strategies that are contingent on their value on the mating market most attractive men accrue reproductive benefits from spending more time seeking multiple partners out and Relatively less time in investing in offspring. Those are your alphas. Those are the guys that we were talking about in the in the high fertility Face, okay in contrast the reproductive effort of less attractive men who do not have the same mating Opportunities is better allocated to investing heavily in their mates and offsprings and spending relatively less time seeking additional mates Okay, those are the guys who are on this side Those are the guys who are on this side This is where you're going to spend more time on a on a singular woman and this is really mostly beta game This is beta strategy. It's kind of it's the guy who is waiting to take his shot I call this in the in first book I call this the sniper mentality where the guy is just there and he's waiting and you know We're just friends right now, but man as soon as she needs me. I'm gonna take my shot And I'm gonna that's what I'm gonna prove my worth and she's gonna really be into what it what I'm given her Why why can't she see that I'm the perfect boyfriend? Why can't she see that I'm I would make the perfect husband? Well, she's not gonna see that because your whole Game relies on this side of the hypergamus spectrum. Okay on the opposite side This is the guy who we've talked about the Pareto principle on a few times if you look at I think it's in the second book or third book The Pareto principle is of course the 2080 20 rule where it's 20% of the effort gets you 80% of the results Okay, something very similar to that happens in in the sexual marketplace 20 and 20% is being generous 20% of guys are that alpha guy who women want to get with during that high fertility phase The rest over here are those 80% that are still playing the beta game, and they're still trying to put their Put all of their resources into getting the girl and putting all of their resources into Applying themselves and investing themselves into one girl. These are the guys the guys over on the 20% These are the guys who are spreading the seed. This is the male imperative unlimited access to unlimited sexuality And that is in pretty much every guy in this room and if you doubt me on that Just go and look at how popular pornography is because pornography does exactly this It appeals to unlimited access to unlimited sexuality, and that's why we have free online porn right now But you got to go you know pay money for to watch a movie You know to watch a hit movie, but you don't have to for pornography. It's right there And it's because that's what it's playing on to is playing on to that again that 8020 rule So you got the guys over here who are able to live that and to spread the seed and to have sex with With multiple women in the over here You've got the guys who are going to focus on one or very few women. So that is strategic pluralism I'll read you the rest of that because it's very important to understand alpha fucks and beta bucks from this from a woman's Perspective the ideal is to attract a partner who confers both long-term investment benefits and genetic benefits Not all women, however, will be able to attract long-term investing mates who also display heritable fitness cues Consequently women face trade-offs in choosing mates because they may be forced to choose between males displaying fitness indicators outside and Those who will assist in offspring care and be good long-term mates dads before cad's will be our cad before dads the most straightforward prediction follows that women seeking short-term mates when We'll seek short-term mates when the man's only contribution is genetic offspring They should prefer muscularity more than women seeking long-term mates so what they're saying is that again we get back to the alpha fucks and the beta bucks and That is pretty much what defines What defines women's sexual strategy? They're trying to make a balance they're trying to make a balance from the guy that she really wants to have sex with and the guy that she really wants to have have babies with and you know Have us have a family going and I think that a lot of a lot of prominent I want to say purple pill but prominent speakers on this kind of thing fail to Account for the alpha fuck side of things they tend to think I think it was Jordan Peterson not really recently was talking about how Hypergamy affects male dominance hierarchies and I'll get on to that here in just a moment But just to lead up to that Jordan Peterson and a lot of guys who especially who are family-oriented guys who I would say have a little bit more Lean a little bit more on the beta and the blue pill side of things. They still want to pedestalize that the woman kind They still want to say she's infallible and she's she's beautiful and she's divine and she's just you know I'm this lowly worm and she's just one step closer to God and they want to Still keep woman kind pedestalized So they tend to ignore all this stuff On this side, okay And so they only want to focus their their game and their social outlook and their Their life outlook or what are they going to do to? Create a family. This is all that's important to them And they they just kind of conveniently push this away And these are the guys who when they get to be 29 years old And women's are suddenly starting to pay attention to them that they think that their ship has come in and their patients Pay it off and they're really you know They're really ready to go and finally build a family and all these girls who wouldn't have anything to do with them like in the long term We're talking they're them in their party years now suddenly that woman is necessitous and she needs to To lock this guy down. Well, who's the best guy to do that with the guy who's been preparing his whole damn life for this And so those are the guys who get really self-righteous and they go and say you know what? You know, I finally everything that I was doing as a beta guy and identifying it's suddenly paying off now and you know nice guys finish last but hey I finished and so they They build up this side and then conveniently forget this and it's usually at that point What I was what happens is the the epiphany phase and I'm sure people are probably anybody Aware of the epiphany phase that I take it's it's it's the time between 29 and 32 years old for women when they're cashing out of the sexual marketplace and on My my own belief I really still think that's pretty late because I think that you know from a fertility standpoint Women need to have babies way before that But they realize that if I don't lock somebody down I'm not going to have anybody at all And so what do we see in society right now? We see women saying oh, I can't find any good guys and they're 36 years old and they're they're well past the wall they're well past any time of their lives where they would have they wouldn't have any complications with a pregnancy and they're freezing their eggs and they're believing that at some point. They're going to be able to come back in and and You know restart their lives once they found this to write well all of that stuff comes from her Her well first of all a false belief that she's going to have that but that her attractiveness is evergreen And so when she hits 28, you know 29 years old She realizes she can't compete with the with the girls who were 24 So she's got a cash out of that now the guy who's waiting for her at the end of that you know, like I said, he's he's feeling lucky, but what he does is he ignores this stuff and It's very important that if you're going to accept hypergamy It's not just the most important part is not just the provisioning side this side The alpha fuck side is just as important if not more important than then the beta side of things And if you don't believe me What we have here is tinder's Attractiveness scale. I don't know if anybody has seen this yet, but what we're looking at right now is this right here is the physical preferences for the top men and you also see that this is almost is identical to the 80-20 Graph that we were just talking about and we see male advantage and we see female advantage in tinder And this is based just solely on women choosing the best guy the best looking dude that they can find on tinder, so you are at a Decisive disadvantage if you are on tinder right now and you don't have a six-pack abs And you don't look good because we're not talking about game. You there is no game on tinder There's only you showing off your physical your physical, you know side, but this makes a very good measurement tool for understanding women's alpha side Virtuality all right, I don't know maybe you guys just a few little fun facts today's human population is descended from twice as many women As men okay, these are from doing DNA and genomic research 80% of women, but only 40% of men reproduced in our evolutionary past Genomic research shows that 17 women reproduced for every one man 8,000 years ago, and that was after agriculture, so Also regardless of war famine disease the stats are always the same women's strategy Ultimately decides the breeding of the species and that's what I'm going to get into right now is What dr. Jordan Peterson was talking about when he was saying that hypergamy causes? male dominance hierarchies hypergamy itself hypergamy itself is Responsible for so much more Then we really want to let on We women like to complain about the patriarchy. They say oh well, you know we want to smash the patriarchy We want to destroy it reason that the patriarchy exists at all is because of hypergamy because what you've got is when you've got women who are Selectively picking, you know the top 20 percent to breed with those men are going to create dominance hierarchies To be the one who gets to be the one who's breeding so there's there's a lot that goes on from from Just the base, you know fundamental biological parts of hyper hypergamy that move into the social our social strata And like I was saying before we have our divorce laws our Our abortion laws of abortion abortion is a great one And I've said this before if you ever follow my Twitter feed is abortion is the last word in hypergamy Because nothing says he's not the one like being able to legally end his child's life in utero Okay, why why is there such a? An outcry when we when we take that away if we say we're gonna make abortion illegal Why is there such an outcry for that? Why is there such a you know? Well, you know we need to have our bodies ourselves, and that's a good good Social narrative right there women will do everything in their power to control hypergamy Back before the sexual revolution back when we were You know anytime before save 1960 when we didn't have the sexual evolution and we didn't have Unilaterally controlled birth control for women. We had checks and balances on hypergamy. It usually came in the form of the church It might come in like social controls It might be just shame, you know to it was shameful to have a child out of wedlock back in Just as early as the the fifties, you know, they had to go and take you all your your your poor daughter She's she's got knocked up We're gonna have to take her secretly off somewhere so she can have the baby in because it was just a disgrace on the family that social control is a control on hypergamy because anything that controls that breeding anything that gets in the way of a woman's sexual strategy is is Something that they have always needed to have a complete control over but have not been allowed that That's why we think of women as being repressed or their sexual. We got a repressing women's sexuality. Why will we do that? Why would we want to repress any woman's sexuality, especially for guys who really want to get laid all the time? I mean that was the best thing about the sexual revolution and and birth control was because finally guys didn't have to worry about it We can go have sex with whoever we want to because we don't have to worry about them getting getting pregnant You know, maybe we got to worry about syphilis But we don't have to worry about that anymore because we've got this great, you know, this great control for it So guys signed up for that, but they didn't realize is they're also signing up for their own Selectively being bred out of the gene pool so if If you say hey, you don't have to worry about your burden of performance You don't have to worry about being a man You don't all that stuff that you had to worry about before and qualifying and and being a good provider and all that don't worry about that anymore because it's what's on the inside that counts and and so guys picked up on that because they want to have that that Sexual access because remember what we're talking about for unlimited access to unlimited sexuality in Today's society when we've got hype. We've got hypergamy is really Defining the conversation between all kinds of things that we want to do if we go and we say Just say the the we had Viagra and then we had just recently We had the Viagra for women and women wouldn't take it and why wouldn't they take why would they want to have you know Why wouldn't they want to take something that makes them hot for their husband or whatever at a certain time because it bypasses all of that stuff? It goes all you know beyond You're taking that that sexual control away from them So if I can just give you a pill like Spanish for remember Spanish fly Yeah, I'm gonna give you Spanish fly and you're gonna get horny. We're gonna go have sex right well You're trying to medically treat Hypergamy is what you're doing with that you're trying to say here's a pill so I can get past your hypergamy and go Well women are appalled at that they don't know why they're appalled at that But in the back of their head the reason that they are is because it removes that control it removes the the hypergamist control over their ability to choose who they want to breed with and who they want to have you know a Life with and a family with so you've got the guy that she wants to have sex with then you got the guy that she Wants to live with and like I said, they rarely come together and they rarely do the two meet up but that In a nutshell it's like this that the the conundrum of Hypergamy they're trying to balance those two guys out and I would say I would argue that today There and women are not even really looking for that guy who embodies both of them anymore They're looking for the guy that she can have sex with and then the guy that she can that she can have a life with And that's why we see the the rise of like polygamous like everybody's familiar with the Polly movement The Polly movement is is basically it's too bait is fighting over the girl fighting over one girl Who's that going out on Saturday night to go fuck the alpha? You know, so she's just basically trying to figure out who are the two betas that she's gonna live with and has it has the best providing potential But I think that it's really important to look at certain things like consent is another is another one we have consent laws that Are specifically designed to give women that that control that absolute complete control We're gonna outlaw and I think in in in Great Britain right now There's a law on the books that says if you go on your approach a woman on the street. It's considered a hate crime right now Okay, well, why why would that be I can't imagine that well It's because women want that hypergamist control. They don't want that guy coming on to her to You know to just say babe, let's go on on a date Let's go, you know, these guys do in a day game They don't want to have to deal with that if that's not what they want again It comes back to who do they it's a complete legal control over who they want to breed with and who they want to live with the same can be said for for divorce laws we're still we're still standardizing on divorce laws that are still based on the old set of books of the old Social contract and we're expecting men to be these perfect providers and no matter what so we're gonna always You know, it's a it's a resource transfer is really what it is when it comes to to divorce where we've got this guy Who is maybe he was a beta guy and he's gonna be paying child support in alimony and? At the same time she's gonna say okay my security needs are met and we're again. We're gonna talk about the long term here My security needs are met Now I don't have to deal with that and I'm going to just focus on alpha fucks for a while So the dad is already taken care of he doesn't live in the house. He's paying money He gets to see his kids, you know 50% of the time and she's gonna go off and what's she gonna focus on? She's not gonna focus on trying to find mr. Right again. She's gonna go and look for You know the guy that she wants to have sex with and have to have some fun with and then she's a week later She's gonna go back to being mom We have Oh, that's another one Consent domestic violence. We have talked about the the female Viagra there, but even domestic violence laws we're looking at Removing a man from that from that situation we're moving the guy completely out We don't even bought we don't we'd never even think of putting the blame on to a woman We always think that it's the man who the main if it's a police go into a domestic violence Situation it's always the man that's going to be removed from the from the house and women are always gonna stay there But why because that's a safe place for whoever the kids are and so we even base our laws our domestic violence laws and our Divorce laws our abortion laws our consent laws are all fundamentally influenced by hypergamy I Think we're pro are we getting down low on time right now? Oh, you got me right there. Okay, you know what? I'm gonna open it up to questions right now because that's what I'm best at Max hang on. Oh hang on That's my name buddy in your book you talk about how men are the true romantics yes, and Can you elaborate a bit more on that because From what I understand men do have You know we do select women based on like fertility and vitality and stuff like that So we do kind of select for more superficial traits and everything so how does that how are we still the true romantics that that goes I'm gonna actually talk about this in tomorrow's speech, but That goes back to the differences the fundamental differences between men and women and our outlooks on life and how are well first of all How our mental structures work? Okay? men in my estimate men are more outward looking We're more idealistic that's why I would say that men's concept of love is based on idealism whereas women's concept of love again It comes back to hypergamy who's going to be the best for whatever it is that she needs at that particular phase in her life So it's not that women can't love and I I'll say that I'll say that to the camera right now I didn't I never have said that women are incapable of love I said that their definition and their concept of love is completely different than it is for men And that's one of the things that throws guys off They think that women and men share the same Mutual definition and mutual concept of love Okay, and that's why I say men are the true romantics because all the most romantic things that you can think of in this world We're invented by a man everything. Oh, I'm gonna give you flowers I'm gonna go how can I profess my love to you and all of these things that we think of as I Romantic gestures all of that really came from courtly love and way back in the medieval times and in the Renaissance Which of course chivalry I also argue is is the For is a form of feminism. It's a form of promoting the feminine imperative But again the the reason that I say men are the are the really wrote the romantic ones is because We think that love matters just for the sake of love. Okay, because we don't have hypergamy We don't have would have anything. That's even like this If anybody wants to debate me on the fact that you know, we don't have we don't have hypergamy I say all you got to do is look at the attraction floors for women women want to Get with a guy who is at their same level of SMV or higher men will go lower higher Whatever they can get okay, but women because of hypergamy or only looking to go up and They'll they'll be happy to get with a guy who is like say say she's a six and he's a six Okay She's happy to go out with him as long as he brings something else to the table If he if he brings if he's got provisioning and if he's you know He's a good cook or whatever the hell it is that he's got that sort of his value added and they're the same level Then she's okay with that, but I was telling these guys last night is that women want to look up They want to look up to that guy and they want to have some sort of admiration for that guy and that's again That's a reflection on their their self image as to who they can get and so they're constantly looking for the next The higher-up thing worse guys on the other hand. They're looking for something idealistic. They want to think that they can Despite any performance, you know, whatever it is that they had to do to get it They want to be able to put that to the side and still be loved just for the sake of love And that's why I say that they're very idealists Ivan For you Okay dread yeah, and not from a standpoint of a Tactical strategy of men, but the role that dread plays within women's sexual strategy because it's inherent in my Assumption and that it's evolved to benefit them So how does that benefit them? How does that evolve as a beneficial trait and number one number two? Do you see that? Correlating to that astro cycle. Yes. I think that when it comes From an overall effect Hypergamy cannot afford to miss an opportunity to to be optimized So I know that's another the final word on this whole thing is I don't want anybody in here to think that Hypergamy is some insurmountable mountain that they can't get over there's there's many different ways to actually put this to your best advantage and to To actually make hypergamy work for you when it comes to dread Dread is the fear. Well when you're single the dread for women or what I call a competition anxiety Is that they're going to miss that opportunity? They're going to miss the opportunity to have sex with a hot alpha and lock him down I'll another personal anecdote in My rock star 20s. I Would get with I was he's having a regular girlfriend But she wasn't my girlfriend at the time, but I had I just met up with this girl and she was on the rag and You know, I don't know. I'm not red pill. I don't know anything about this by this time But she's on the rag and she sees me as you know a prime opportunity to go have sex with now Most women like according to that to that scale She wouldn't have sex with me because she's in her obviously in her luteal phase, but if a good enough opportunity comes around She's going to go and have sex with that guy So she can lock that guy down so that when she comes back around to that to that next part of her cycle that she is Gonna have that guy as hopefully as a long-term parental investment That's where the dread comes in because she doesn't want to miss out on that She doesn't want to she says this guy is so high. We're just talking about attraction floors This guy I'm a six and she's or she's a six and he's like an eight, right? She can't afford to go. No, I'm on the rag right now and I don't want to have sex with you So can you wait for a couple weeks when she's not going to say that she wants to get you right then and there because she does it She's going to miss out on that opportunity and that's where competition anxiety comes in because if she doesn't some other girl is And so that's where that's where dread comes in when you're single when you're when you're married or when you Steady girlfriend the dread at that point is assuming you're still at above her attraction floor The fear is lost and it's similar to that, but that's why why we were talking before That's why women make guard because if they're really satisfied with you and you are like to You know two steps above her an SMV then that's when she's going to get really jealous And she's going to want to keep you lock you down. So that's dread It's all time we have give it up for Rolo Tomasi