 Boom, what's up fam? Anthony Johnson here today, founder of 21 studios 21 convention 22 convention 21 University here with mr Jeff younger in Orlando, Florida We're at a republican event a black robe of regimen event and I'm asking a few questions today about his experience with Son family court in my view. He has one of the most egregious if not the most egregious family court case in recent American history Maybe all of American history. I'm not that extensively familiar with it. It's not real though It's unbelievable a lot of you might have been seeing it on Twitter and social media the past couple years Hashtag save James Anyway without further ado welcome to the show. Oh, thanks for having me on yeah, man I'm glad to be here really enjoyed your speech today, too. You gave it the airpublican event. Thanks. Thanks. It was a good time And it was a good audience. Yeah, so from audience who doesn't know you can tell me a little bit of the basics of What's been going on in your life with your son and recent years, right? Yeah, so Starting about two years old my ex-wife. We were still married at the time Started to push my son to be a girl She began putting him into timeouts saying the monsters only eat boys you know, don't be a boy when they come that kind of thing scaring him and You know, I started to push back on that and pretty strongly. It's kind of weird, right and so she she fought for divorce and forced me out of the house and As soon as she did that She immediately began to teach my son that he was a girl Exposed him to transgender books gay pornography Cross-dressing him and telling him that he was really a girl I'm just this woman is a medical doctor with a pediatrician, right? That is correct unreal and You know telling him that he had a boy's brain in a girl's body. Wow. I'm sorry girls brain in a boy's body Yeah, and you know, remember she's a doctor. So he takes that as pretty authoritative and this happened right after his third birthday Wow, and if you go on to YouTube and you Google You know mommy says I'm a girl you'll it went viral. So there's there's hundreds of people who posted it And you'll see it out there and that's me learning for the first time what she was doing to my son And then it progressively got worse and if you can believe it it got worse and worse She began to take him to transgender events where there were you know half naked naked transgender men present The drag queen story hours. She began to dress him like a drag queen With with like long wigs and high heels. This is all going on in Republican, Texas This is in Republic of Texas the custody evaluator in my last trial. I've had two trials the custody evaluator in my last trial It's flat out stated that she had gone way overboard pushing the transgender Ideology and she started to take him to all these gay events and really push this on my son The final straw I kept trying to reason with her the final straw came when she Registered him in school as a girl under fake girls name and the school began to teach my son That he was a girl. So the guide the school counselor The teacher the principal the police officer they all affirmed my son was a girl So he had every authority in his life Telling him he was a girl. It was just me and his priest telling him that he wasn't and he really didn't know who to believe So I really started pushing back on this and I found lots of non judicial ways to do that using the court order and So she filed to terminate my parental rights. Wow, and we while it took two years to get to trial During that time. I was under temporary orders and I was prohibited from teaching my son traditional Christian teachings on sexuality and gender I could not teach my son that he was actually a boy. I Could not present him to third parties as a boy Wow all sorts of things that went on for two years and then when we finally got to trial It was like the giant battle of transgender experts on both sides. We both hired the top experts Can you actually spend over 1.1 million dollars doing this? That's correct. These experts were not cheap So I got the guys that founded transgender medicine and the John at the John Hopkins Hopkins Institute in the 70s And they closed their clinic within four years Because their data showed they were harming patients that was repeated in the 90s And they closed it down again at John Hopkins And so these guys really know their stuff and the one of the experts I trained up Dr. Levine Wound up being the key expert witness in the United Kingdom where they outlawed sex-trained surgeries on kids So I felt like I really contributed by training him up. You made an impact Yeah, and I made it very clear to him I expected him to go save kids because he charged me an arm and a leg So I paid a lot of money and I said you're gonna win more cases than mine and he agreed to do that and he actually did it At that trial I won 50-50 parental rights And that allowed me to stop her attempts to chemically castrate him. So they're playing he's nine years old now So I've been doing this continuously for six years. Stop though. It's not permanent. Is it temporary? It's temporary a judge could overrule it tomorrow. Wow I have I have a trial on July 2nd Friday at which it they're asking for it to be overturned It's also a criminal trial because I'm not supposed to be talking to your audience A judge has put me under a gag order, which I believe is illegal and unconstitutional Yeah, that's that's unbelievably un-American and disgusting illegal I think the sheriffs and that that county should be resting the judges. It's sick I think sheriffs you're it's a good point Sheriffs need to begin to exercise their rightful authority. That's right, right? They are a check and balance on the judiciary and the judiciary should not be violating the rights of citizens and their color of law Any more than the sheriff's officers should be doing that's right And as my understanding sheriffs every county in the United States are the supreme law enforcement officer They have they have the capacity to do this. That is absolutely right. I know it under the Texas Constitution They're actually the only constitutionally mandated law enforcement officer. Wow, they're super powerful in Texas They need bigger balls them like you they do they need bigger balls. Yeah, we'll see they say don't mess with Texas Don't fuck with Florida. Let's see how it goes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm root for you, man Thanks, man. I mean the deal is with with the judges Basically, we have created a system one where the justice system is is inaccessible to people without a specialist education Right, it's virtually impossible to learn the rule. I mean it took taking me six years to learn how to navigate the system Never mind an insane amount of money. Oh, yeah No, no one has even a tenth of that cash. I know absolutely right and so that's the first thing How can the justice system serve the people when the people can't access it? Yeah, that's a huge issue under and of itself, right? The second thing is we really don't have any check and balance on the judiciary other than impeachments And it's pretty clear from the history of the United States impeachment is too high of a standard or during the jury Nullification in some states. Yes, and Texas. It's legal But the judges have ways of getting around that on jury trials now one good thing about Texas Texas does not allow judges to remove the parental rights of an individual with children a jury is required A jury is required. You have to convince 12 year fellow citizens that you shouldn't have your kids And this is different per state in America. I think we're the only state Texas is the only state that even allows any juries In most states it's so much worse The judge is a one-person tribunal that decides everything. It's crazy. It's crazy. There's no check and balance on it So I think we need to make it easier to get rid of bad judges. We need to provide Legal and constitutional ways for higher courts to supervise lower courts right now There's a lot of incentives for them to stay hands-off So we need to fix that and we need to make it a lot easier For people to bring claims against judges there needs to be some form of adversarial adjudication against judges themselves Because that sounds very American. Yeah, because the hard hole justice system is based on an adversarial presentation of evidence Right and the judges preside over such a system precisely because it tends to produce the most for outcomes over the long haul Right particular cases. Sure. You're gonna have bad outcomes But the judges have insulated themselves From adverse like they're like they're above the law. That's right You just send a letter to a judicial commission and they just do whatever they want There's no way to put the judge under oath To get discovery and that needs to happen. So I think overall One of the things we have to dispense with is absolute immunity under the law Judges should only have qualified immunity Meaning that if if they know what they're doing is illegal or should have known that what they're doing is illegal They have no immunity protections And that's what police officers have. They don't police officers don't have absolute immunity. They have qualified immunity Right prosecutors and judges have absolute immunity Meaning even if they knowingly commit felonies on the bench in the course of their duties They cannot be prosecuted. It seems like it's an entirely context dropping you would say philosophically completely context dropping And it's designed that way So I think this is one area where we have to admit perhaps the founders were mistaken The founders truly believed that the judiciary would be the weakest branch of government And if you if you read in the federalist papers federalist 51 You you'll see that they really worried it wouldn't be strong enough Um, but with the advent of judicial review, which I don't think they anticipated Um, and with the advent of the an expansion of contempt powers, which are virtually unlimited They have become an injunctions. I just can't believe you're under a gag order to just even speak to these issues even in general Yeah, I mean This not even contemplated by the founders right that that would be or even by the authors of the texas constitution would never Contemplate that a judge would say you can't say whether your kid is a male It seems to be an hour no matter how clear you put things into writing like the first amendment Like you shall not you know free speech and all these things They just it's like people don't even fucking read it like this is plain simple english like letter to the letter You're right. This is one of the things that I've come to in my journey here is I'm not so sure that constitutions are effective at limiting government You can create you can certainly create structures, but if you have bad people in governments They will pervert any good law. Well, the founders will wear this right? They were a moral, you know constitution It presumes a moral moral people. It does. Yeah So what really matters is who is in power in government? What kind of people are in power in government because even if you have really bad laws, but you have a good person You know the so-called benevolent dictator. Yeah, the people can still flourish and have freedom with a good person like a king Yeah, what really matters is I think the quality of the people that are in office Well, let me also get known to the dominant philosophy and culture of of a given people like america and obviously that's changed in 1776 Radically changed. I would claim in in actually fun and I say radical I mean that in the mathematical sense like getting to the root Like at its very fundamental origin I don't think Modern people understand what a human being is in the way that the founders did the anthropology is so different That we don't even what we call a person today is not what they call the person Let me run this by you as well in my view and I like to make your thoughts on it I view the founding fathers in particular and the founding men the generation who fought is very masculine It's one of the best examples of masculinity and world history by far Yes, absolutely And so therefore america in my view is very masculine at the founding and since then for different reasons not even just feminism But that's a big one. It's become increasingly effeminate in a way and less masculine No question And I wonder if that has an influence in this as well alongside philosophy and culture and morality along the way I think it may be the root Cause of it because from the social perspective You know civilizations are created by men not women and there's there's a very simple reason for this Women have very few deep relationships Women talk a lot, but don't communicate very much Right men don't speak speak a lot, but they communicate a lot when they do speak And men have the capacity to have many fairly shallow relationships that are morally dependable Morally dependable even though they're not like we spend every day together, right? Men have this experience of not seeing someone for two years and picking right up where they left off And the trust is still there. It's like men are much more tribal and like blood brothers almost Yeah, that's easier to accomplish. You can't build a civilization on a few deep relationships You build a civilization on a network of trust and that's fundamentally masculine culture, right? You know madison talked about how he had to study the arts of war So that his sons could study the arts of carpentry and farming so that their sons could study the The arts of painting and ceramics But it and if that sounds good, but if you think about it, that's progressive feminization And it's a cycle until it collapses in here into back in square one. That's right In my view the founding fathers have succeeded so strongly that they changed the cycle of history It may be they elevated us above and beyond And it may be and I think we had two two really shocking events too that helped one was a civil war Where a third of manhood in the country was essentially eliminated. Yeah So the most masculine brave men too. They were gone. Yeah. And so what was really modern war selects for the survival of betas Fuck We're doomed. You follow me. I do. Yeah, I've thought about these issues as well. Yeah, and um It's one of the reasons why I'm not telling I'm telling my sons you should not go into military, right? It's much more important for you to raise sons That's to be a soldier, right? Yeah But we also know from the revolution you don't have to be a soldier to be a fighter. Yeah, you know, that's that's another thing And the other thing that I think we kind of got away from Is the extended family, you know the natural dingo. Yeah, if the natural um social unit Is the gang And the gang originally was you're out to your second cousins. Yeah, that's second cousins, you know in the bible the word brother Uh, they talk about jesus's brothers Um, well that meant out to second cousins. It meant somebody in your gang. Wow. Yeah. Yeah Um, and I also think to some degree Modern laws regarding assault self-defense Uh, the advent of law enforcement as opposed to policing Um, you know policing was originally intended to create a generally Uh, productive and peaceful environment and sometimes that meant you had to allow educational beat downs to occur Well, this is also why they used to be called peace officers. Yes, they don't do that anymore now It's law enforcement. Do you touch somebody you're going to jail even if they needed that education? Well You know, I had somewhere I wanted to take this a second ago. They got me, uh, man, you're you're amazing with this stuff Uh I'm tipping my tongue son of a bitch. We'll come back. I'll circle back. We'll circle back girl, right circle back girl You mentioned earlier though that you you won 50 50 custody of your son. Yeah, which to me sounds like that should be the default Common sensing to do every America's supposed to be about equality, right? Yeah, that's obviously not with the exception of kentucky Which had an equal shared parenting. That's right. That's right. So talk to me about equal shared parenting Do you support that in all 50 states? Movements like that anything in florida? I do. I think I don't think a lot of people are aware that in every state um It is Statutorily presumed to be in the best interest of the child That one parent parent get 20 percent of the time of the child. Yeah, that's crazy It's in statute and it's and so let's say you're the father. You're selected as the loser parent most of the time And you're going to get 20 with the child You have to overcome that statutory presumption with evidence And it's very difficult to produce evidence that you were a great father unless you had a thought like one of the things that Saved me was I had an incredibly detailed journal. Yeah I have 5 000 pages a year Wow and photos that I take because I found I could improve it in the divorce Well, basically fathers are being treated as guilty to proven innocent That is correct. That is at least morally or some sort of behavior pattern. Yeah, and and think about it this way too It's a great way to think about it. You know if a stepfather comes into a house Right. He doesn't have to prove anything There's no custody evaluator or psych evaluation for him. That's a good point There's no duties that are even assigned to him anything, but the father is continually under the scrutiny Yeah, there's something quite off about that. That's a clear contradiction. Just a logical contradiction Stepfathers too are known for uh, I think the abuse It's 10 times 10 times. It's actually 10 times. That's worse than I thought. Shit. It's 10 times So I did remember the what I wanted to ask you so you're one of the few men I've ever seen actually it seems like realized that not only is the nuclear family under attack in America and falling apart The extended family is too. Yes, and it's really rare. It's the only one I've ever seen That's my friend DDJ is a paralegal family law of like 20 years Wow, that was just probably the reason you realize that. Yeah, but I really love and I appreciate that I'm not going to myself. I threw nephews now. It's a very important role. Yeah, I love it. Yeah It's an essential role. Yeah, you know, uh, I know growing up My dad was was quite quite an interesting character. I mean, my dad was a bare-knuckle boxer in the 1950s He he price fought illegal price fighting in Texas and got enough money to buy an old derrick and started his own Well business. I mean, he was a hardcore guy And he was terrified of his brother. Yeah, just to let you know Yeah, so he uh, his brother, however was a talented artist. I got all of my interest in reading All of my interest in drawing and art from him Wow And my my interest in in boxing and wrestling I got from my dad From from from the interaction between the two watching how they work together You know, they rebuilt a semi diesel engine right in front of me one time and just learning how men cooperated You know, and once I had helped them Suddenly I realized They brought me into there. So now they're around drinking beer We're fixing tractors fixing things and I'm part of the gang and you're learning by observation too That's right by experience and even as most of us in a sense on all of the Ethical requirements to be in that gang. Yeah had to be met We call them uh, in our manuscript thing. We call them sometimes one author jack donovan calls them the tactical virtues Yeah, that's a great way to say strength courage mastery and honor I love it. And is it kind of the the key for that universally? Men threat history you gotta have it you gotta have it and and and and there's competition even in that gang Yeah, but it's the kind of competition that never breaks people down But makes the whole unit stronger. Yeah, right and there's an understanding that you have to be the kind of person that can do that Yeah, right, you know, it's like you're doing jujitsu with somebody You know, you need somebody that can go hard and fast but not hurt you Right, that's a game you're in the game and make it tougher and they make you better That's right. That's right. And the whole group just gets better. Yeah the whole time Man, I uh, you know, I've been watching your story on and off for the years On twitter and on the internet. I had no idea you had at this depth of knowledge with masculinity and these issues I've had to confront them In my own life like one thing that you don't know about me Is my parents divorced when I was eight. Okay, then have a dad Um had a stepdad Uh, and my my stepdad basically laid down an ultimatum Him or me And my mother chose him So on christmas eve At midnight right at the right at christmas Um, I she asked me to leave the house. She woke me up and asked me to leave before 13 Wow, so I left home. I had a bank account from working And uh, I lived on my own in Lubbock, texas for about a year Then I went back to my house in plain view and I broke me into the house because I knew how to break in Stole my birth certificate And then you might might not remember. It's maybe too young But there used to be a typewriter called the ibm selectric typewriter And it was the first typewriter that lets you select the fonts. Oh, wow So I forged my birth certificate made myself 18 and joined the marine corps. Damn Yeah, so I was 15 when I shipped out to boot camp then I got caught in a ts1 security clearance check After two years and they kicked me out and said dumbass don't come back until Welcome back to the 21 convention second patriarch edition live in orlando, florida. Welcome to the 22 convention Welcome back to the 21 convention 2020 of orlando, florida being helped for the first time ever at our very first and inaugural 21 summit events Welcome to 21 summit in orlando, florida Well, here we go. We risked again with the 22 convention the patriarch and 21 convention all three stages together in one event Not only did we sit down and say we're going to come together and meet in mass But we're going to take it a step further We are going to dare have a conversation about the sexes openly Honestly and engage the woman that could bet like I am amazed that I'll well this one We did a brand new event We did the second patriarch and we did the main event for the 19th time It's so much more than sitting in an audience Watching a man on a stage The conversations and the hallways The connections that people make The challenging the collaborations And that's what we need it all starts with men and it's not just men. That's what I like about this You know, we don't want to like overreact It's a feminism and then and then hate women. That's not it. This is about men Getting their act together doing what they're made to do. You had meals You had to run security. You had to run travel plans. You had to ensure people were where they needed to be Three stages cameras everywhere and it was pulled off with flawless execution. It's evolved so much I really appreciate how anthony has allowed you speakers To evolve and to grow and to share that and to encourage that with all the other men here To hear so much talk on family and fatherhood. There's more depth. There's more room for who they could be Is the word patriarchy or patriarch offensive to you in any way? Not to me personally. Okay. Not at all It's something that I I cherish it. I love it. I grew up You cherish the patriarch I do In mansplaining news a three-day conference for women led by men hopes to make women great again Women need to be taught how to be great again all my words. We do like how to land a husband How to lose weight how to pump out a bunch of kids Why don't men think they need to fix the problems of women? Well, it says the world's ultimate event for women You know, Orlando, florida, that's going to be the scene of the crime It's mansplaining peluso and say no to the toxic bullying feminist dogma patriarchy is the future It's good to see it in person. I'm just Until I got here and saw it and you can see the people in the audience You see the men that are here committed to listening I mean, it's just changed my idea of what the conference is the professionalism The staff the way everything is organized It's giving me a different perspective about this particular idea and i'm ready to Put some more fire into it Welcome to dream world ladies and gentlemen So you've been through hell obviously with family court and all these issues with your son and that's ongoing God bless fight fight to the death My question is given what you've been through Do you think feminism has played a role in your challenges as a father? And is that is that true for other frauds as well then? Absolutely no question The presumption at law all the presumptions at law now are all feminist presumptions Right and you you actually could characterize family court as simply the application of feminist stereotypes to a particular case It's literally that bad Right, so men can't can't Nurture their boys and this was not always the case. This is a recent development. Absolutely. You know, there's this false belief like Men didn't raise children. That's not true It was only in the 1950s were ever so rich where we could have crazy things like that where one parent raised the children What happened was women raised girls and young children and most societies to the age of nine Some societies like jewish societies and and the romans did it to the age of 12 Which is why you know, italians and jews were considered mama's boys by the pagan societies around them because they left their Their mother at nine they went to work with their dads and the dads raised them from then on so men have always participated in childhood A child rearing of boys That's just like a complete like something that's just completely made up by feminists that men didn't raise the kids The other thing is women have always worked Okay, people weren't rich enough where one person couldn't work. It's just silly the whole the whole word cottage industries Was work that was designed to give to women in their homes where they raised their kids Men did hard work outside And women work from home and they worked from home, but they always worked Well feminists have also delegitimized motherhood and wifehood as a job like this is important stuff It's the most important job. Yeah, right And in and in fact What feminists have done and they've done this knowingly Okay, if you read Betty Friedan's The Feminine Mystique She initially gets this. She's like, uh, you know, women can never be free until men are liberated from their burdens As well, right? She kind of envisioned some kind of almost like egalitarian utopia where people had no responsibilities, right? Um, but she later kind of recanted that and and Joined the anti male chorus Um, and basically, you know, really played a big part with Andrea Dworkin Who, you know, well, Andrea Dworkin single-handedly changed almost all of the laws in the united states to be feminist I mean, she was an amazingly influential and and in a devastating way But it's to the point where you know fathers, uh, like for example in my case I was told I was simultaneously an unemployed ne'er-do-well because I ran a business from home And I see that's the thing. I was a stay-at-home dad that raised my kids I raised her kids too and I ran a successful business from home. You even I know So I was called an unemployed ne'er-do-well for working from home. I've never even heard this word ne'er-do-well Oh, it just means a person who's um, you know, unemployed habitually does it can't take care of themselves A homeless person, right? So I was simultaneously like, you know a bomb Uh, who deserved maximal child support? Wow. That was literally the argument they made delusional Like literally two sentences. That's actually in the testimony. Wow. And the judge went, yeah, that's what he is He's a bomb who deserves maximal child support. Well, which one am I? Do I make am I in the top 1% and I deserve a maximal child support or am I just a total bomb? So this but this is what I mean by the application of stereotypes That was the application of the male power stereotype on the top 1% I should pay But I'm also a scumbag who, you know, obviously couldn't keep his wife. So, you know, he's a bomb too, right? So they'll they'll they'll apply inconsistent moral categories to you in court in these these really Childish ways. It's it's so transparent and absurd and it can only be justified if you live in this Feminist world where, uh, you know, women lack all moral agency And men are responsible for everything that's bad and women are responsible for everything that's good It's ironic in the it's projection, of course, I think but they're the feminists talk about They're basically infantilizing women. They are the accused men of doing this treating women like mansplaining and stuff It's like, no, you're the one doing it. Yeah, it's this constant projection. Yeah Yeah, and I think they create a lot of their own problems Like if you if you actually treat women the way feminists want to be treated right women will hate you Exactly bingo, you know, big red big red pill right there boys. Yeah. Yeah, I mean A woman loves you most when she has your red handprint on her ass, honestly I mean, that's honestly the truth. Yeah, they like bad boys and assholes at least to some significant massive degree. That's right And good husbands are men who can sort of tame that a little bit and Just stick around with one woman, you know, like there's some Good good husbands have a little bit of beta characteristics with that alpha that let them Stick there. Well, it's like with women, you know, the angel and succubus they medan on the whore complex thing They need to integrate both of these Both ends of the spectrum the light and the dark men do as well. I think yes, we do. Absolutely. Yeah And I think western society really achieved the right balance in this If you look at, um, you know, asian societies Muslim societies african societies It really is just, you know, concubines, harems monogamy had a very profound and important effect on male behavior And and it I think it struck an excellent balance between warrior at warrior ethos Uh and an ethos that would allow you to build a civilization stable enough You know what you essentially need for men to be your stationary bandits Okay, you know what I mean stationary band Yeah, you need to be you need to be a roving warrior who sticks in one place, you know And the west figured out how to do that and I think it was probably the reason for its rise Yeah Yeah, and some like you mentioned other cultures as well like in some muslim countries still they can stone woman of death for adultery I've seen one video a woman had her head chopped off in the street I think it's Saudi Arabia for you know adultery adultery is really really serious and and unbelievably terrible it Maybe they should be you know an america civil You can sue someone civilly for it and stuff like that But chopping someone's head off for it is just insane And that's like this is what that to me is an imbalance way way way way too far. Yeah Yeah, you see that a lot and When the feminists are fighting against it right in Saudi Arabia. Yeah, it's no you never hear them criticize muslim societies Yeah, of course They just they they criticize the societies in which they're the most advantaged. Yeah And this is one characteristic of feminism that's odd is it's it's it's very consistent in the sense that it inverts all moral principles Exactly opposite. That's how I make all my hats. I just think that what if feminists hate exactly pretty much everything that they hate is a good thing Exactly hierarchy fatherhood family toxic masculinity mansplaining. Yes, it's a whole fucking checklist of great things in the world That's why the you remember that um that um It was a slogan that was pasted. I forgot what state it was in But they went around and they just said islam was right about women I remember that and it creates such cognitive dissonance in the feminists. That's right. It reveals it reveals their contradiction They're totally total hypocrisy. That was total genius. Whoever did that. Yeah, meanwhile in america They still talk about smashing the patriarchy and it's like you're fucking delusional You've been smashing the patriarchy for over a hundred years. When is it gonna end? Yeah, what are you even talking about? You're right. You're smashing a ghost. You're right I've had many talks about this because You know john lot the statistician who did all of the gun control statistics that showed he's the guy that showed that When you have a carry licenses for guns crime goes down He's the guy that showed that not surprised. Yeah, his first work though Was a work that was done at harvard where he showed that the leftward tilt in american politics Did not begin with a new deal It probably began with woman voting it began with women voting and no other factor can explain it And it's it's a bend that accelerates Yeah Right and we're seeing that telling national debt. That's right right around the same time So i've had many discussions with feminists because a lot of feminists are are against Transgender right a lot of the the radical feminists are against it. I've seen some big ones now like the author of harry potter I think yes That was one of them came out and it is interesting the battle that they're having this in civil war So i've actually had a lot of the radical feminists the most manhandling feminists support me Wow because i'm fighting on their side on this issue So i've had these interesting discussions with them. It's it's it's strange in life. We find highlights sometimes I know And they'll ask me they'll ask me things, you know, and this has been done online So there's records of this where they'll ask me questions like You know, how can it possibly have been fair that black men got the vote before women did? Like why didn't women have the vote and I said well, it's very simple All you have to do is go back and actually read the news articles of the time, right black men got drafted And it was just considered unfair that they got drafted and they couldn't vote Well, there were a lot of women back then who did not want the ability to vote because they thought they're going to get Drafted and it will ultimately lead to them getting drafted, right? And I've brought this up many times, you know giving women the right to vote was an incredible act of benevolence That's probably never been seen in human societies before because men just gave it to women for no additional social responsibilities whatsoever Well, that's why I think that women getting the right the right and ability to vote in america Was basically the death of equality. It was the death of equality between rights and responsibilities They killed it and it's a celebration of equality. It's like no, you actually killed it. You fucked it all up You really brought up a subject that um, you know, I've done I've done I'm actually writing about this right now because I am a Up to jail you go. Yeah, that's right. I'm a severe critic of the alignment and um I first just kind of got into this just trying to be a reasonable person um, you know, I thought You know, all we ever read is these triumphalist accounts of the enlightenment by the enlightenment thinkers themselves ditarovil tear Love all these people Who was writing against it? So it turns out there was a giant french counter enlightenment. Okay, I didn't even know about this um And all of it's interesting all of the things that they predicted were going to happen that were bad from the enlightenment The enlightenment thinkers themselves agreed with wow Voltaire ditaro in particular were very open about the problems that they saw coming They just thought that the advantages would outweigh the disadvantages and things that work themselves out. Yeah, and So what's very interesting is it was incredibly self-aware movement um, most historical movements are not that self-aware and um, what I've come to come to is The fundamental mistake in the enlightenment was separating rights and duties The ancient conception of a right was that it began with a duty If you had a duty to protect your family Then you were given rights that were concomitant with that that would allow you a scope of action to to fulfill the duty Right in family law. We have this actually in most states in texas particularly um Parental right let's say the right to decide about the education of your children Is directly concomitant with the duty to educate your children you have the right to Decide where your children live precisely because you have the the duty to house them. Yeah, okay So the duties and rights in family law are actually exactly the way the ancients would have conceived rights and duties which sounds pretty level-headed reasonable and rational Yeah, it's one of the only good things about family law. Yeah, right there that we don't have now you have Right to freedom of speech, but what are your concomitant duties? Yeah for such a right You have a right to vote Well, what are your concomitant duties that go along with that? We never talk about that anymore. Yeah, and so what it's caused I think particularly among feminists Um, is this profusion of rights since there's no duty associated with it. You could invent ever more rights Infinite rights. Yeah. Yeah, because there's no duty in the physical world what what objective is would call concretes It never reduces to a concrete. It's just an abstract right and you just get to do a floating abstraction Yeah, you know, it's my view and based on my research of history that in america voting was not even ever seen as a right And nor it was even a privilege. It was an administrative duty Almost like jury duty. That's right And for most of history and no one today even knows this no as a fucking clue my age And millennials even gen X and especially zoomers But do you have any thoughts on that? Was it do you think voting as a right or is it something that it's more like jury duty? If voting was a right, wouldn't it be in the bill of rights? Yeah, bingo It's not I haven't seen it. It's not in there and nothing would be more fundamental than that if you know Actually voting rights comes from the voting rights act. It's a statutory right. It's a civil right, right? Civil rights are not human rights. They're not constitutional rights They're things granted by the government. They really are granted by the government, right? They're different than constitutional rights So you have voting rights by statute the government grants it to you, right? Which also means that it should be within democratic control and we could ask sensible questions like who ought to be allowed to vote You know, I may harken back to that could be like taxpayers that could be married people people over 30 Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, there's a you know, if you have you read starship troopers by by rome No, I have I need to read it. I see the movie 10 times. That's the next. Well, the the book is completely unlike the movie The the the book actually begins with a civics lesson By a one armed former infantry commander And it ends with the boy who was in the civics lesson Meeting him again at the end after he successfully completes a combat tour in the infantry And in the the principle of the book that Heinlein is is sort of using science fiction to sort of sort out philosophically it's a philosophical novel Is what if you had a society that was organized in such a way that the only people that made decisions were the people that had to bear the brunt Of the disabled skin of the game. That's right. Yeah balls on and consequently in that society Only people who had to fight wars were allowed to vote because that's the fundamental function of the state Right, the state is created by and for war to protect your rights And if you're not willing to take a bullet to protect your fellow citizens rights, you don't get to vote Yep, that's it. I'm down with that and I really think that's what the original concept of Well, you know landowners being able to vote, you know with the original constitution You know all the states you had the only people who could vote were people on land Because people people forget that Every landowner had the duty to defend that land In fact, once you got so much land you were required to buy a cannon. Wow You had to contribute a cannon on your own because they basically got a stake in what was going on That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah people who were not willing to defend the land had no right to vote Yeah Circling back a little bit. Um, we talked about feminism earlier. I want to hit on that a little bit more Get thoughts on this my view is that basically Not this is not super specific as they've done a million little little things But almost everything feminists have ever done in america has been has been done in the worst way possible Voting is an easy one. It's like you got women the capacity or write whatever to vote And you did it from day one without the duty to be drafted in the military Which means they can vote for a president and congressman who will take the country to war And they don't they don't go. Yeah, you're never going not only you're never going you were never even a risk of going That's right And it's do you have any thoughts on the feminists and just they fucked everything up to put it bluntly Yeah, I mean the the whole concept of feminism is to create incentive systems, right that reverse the patriarchy Right, so um, you could take any traditional practice and I when I say traditional practice I don't mean christian practices I mean traditional practices in the hayekian sense of that Right practices that have emerged and have worked over a long period of time And those are usually particular to a people in a particular place in a particular time, right? So, you know a chest you have heard of chesterson's offense principle You know chester chesterson wrote this great essay where he he said look he was critiquing the progressives in england And he said listen calm down kids Okay, chill out You know if you're walking down the road and you see somebody's built a fence across the road, which seems stupid Um, don't tear it down First find out why it was built then go when you can come back and tell me why it was built then you can tear it down Right Feminists have never ever taken the time to figure out why things are the way they are just a pause and check Yeah, they envision this idealistic egalitarian society And they're just going to get there by hooker by crook, right? But I do think feminist thinking in that regard is idealist in the classical sense of I you know platonic idealism They have in their mind a perfect society in which Women will rule it. It's not egalitarian in the sense that you and I think of equality It's one in which the natural superiority of women would be allowed to rule Wow, that's what's really in their mind and feminists from day one in 1840s Even in America ruled or not ruled but advocated from the position of moral superiority over men correct from 1848 on correct That's how we got the temperance movement was completely based on that That completely based on that and I think there's interesting Some interesting things from abram Lincoln You know in his response to the temperance movement because he was against the temperance laws Okay, he thought he precisely thought it would lead to crime and criminality and drive things underground Exactly what actually happened in the 20s, right? So he was asked to give a speech to woman's temperance league And you know what they had in their mind Lincoln being the super intelligent guy that he was He said, uh, he he decided to speak on how to end public drinking That was his speech and well and it came to be called the bonnet speech Because he told him he said look, you know, if you really want your men to not get drunk publicly drunk and you know Besot themselves and public like that Um, what you ought to do is make make being drunk ridiculous to young women Because men don't like looking ridiculous to young women And if you can make drinking so stupid and ridiculous Though to be like a man wearing his wife's bonnet to church on sunday Young men are not going to drink because they are not going to look stupid in front of those women So utilizing social mechanics and shaming to yeah, yeah force behavior. Yeah, that's right Another good example of this would be the way the israelis do like their infantry and tank schools The the graders and all the exercises are female and they pick the hottest females And they get 20 higher scores On the clever clever. That's what they do. So, you know, there are there are there are some Aspects of this where yeah, we could make social changes like this without without with That might even be socially desirable to a feminist or a temperance organizer Um, but the but the problem with the feminists is that they want to rid themselves of something that can't be gotten rid of Right, that brings me to my next question patriarchy bingo So and I agree and I want to give you a quote from a good friend of mine pastor michael foster I want to have speakers of my conventions. He's been a pastor for a long time now He says that patriarchy is inevitable. Yeah inevitable way around it built into our dna. It's built on our history It's built into our species. Do you agree with that statement? Absolutely. Yeah, the sexual act itself is a form of dominance um the um The feminists would even agree with you. Yes, they would the genetic structure of human beings is very clear Um, you know, if you look at the the dna studies We know that 20 of men appropriated and 80 of women appropriated, right? So there's no doubt about it. Um throughout all of human history even pre-history, right? Men have been in a competition for women and that competition produces changes social physical intellectual moral It changes a man that it has not produced in women Damn That's a big red pill boys. Holy shit. We're not like them That was a yes when we're not like that. We're not like that That was a big window the red pill used to open up in a history of our species. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. That's that's Savage. Yeah, we have been on separate evolutionary tracks bingo. Yep When you have that big of a difference between procreation rates Do you think this this difference has been increasing as the time continues in our species? Um, I think one of the things that uh has happened with the advent of monogamy Many more men were able to have children. Okay, right? Um And so that slowed down with monogamy, but what you're going to find in the hypergamous future When the the hypergamy of women is unleashed by feminist law and feminist customs Is it will simply return to that right and the way to see that is just look at college campuses 20 of the guys get all the pussy. Yep. That's right. Yep It it directly matches the dna record that we have right And uh, the other guys just don't get anything That's why I find it frustrating when people blame the behavior of women today. They were very very promiscuous We called open hypergamy at this point basically. Yes, they blame men It's like, what do you mean by men because 80 of them have a have a partner count of like two That's correct. The other 20 percent are like 20 30 40 50 100 That's right. But you're you're blaming the behavior of 80 percent of women On 80 percent of men who are not getting laid. That's right. This is mathematically delusional. Yeah, that's right These you know traditional conservatives like they mean well trying to you know curtail the behavior of men or something That's like you're not you're completely missing the point totally and you're you're reinforcing the problem by ignoring The women who are behaving this way. You're right And you know the the one the all civil is I'm gonna say this bluntly, you know all civilizations have been built On the sexual subjugation of the female sex drive. That's right. Every religion does violence by the way by violence Well religions do this too. They do by violence Yes, any other methods as well. It violence is what it takes. Yeah You know, it's just how it is You know, um, it think about it. I mean, um, you know, you need you need strict laws To enforce paternity. That's right. For example And these laws have to be pretty harsh That involve confiscation of property loss of status. I mean, we don't think of like loss of property as violence But it's an act of violence by the state. It's an act of use of force to steal from you and take your stuff You know what I find amazing today is that, you know, of course good that things like rape, uh, you know Male and female rape is outlawed as a crime. Okay, good But if a woman and that's and I view that as a maximal expression a hyper expression of the male sexuality on women Yes, but if women Literally physically cuck a man out of the genetic gene pool. Yes, I get with fraud. Yes. This is basically genetic murder But it's it's legal. It's perfectly legal. It's insane And in fact, there have been cases of of men being forced forced into sex and you think that can't that's not even possible Yeah, um, the FBI used to not even consider that rape. Correct. Um, well, no There are there are cases from colleges now where women introduce viagra into a cope can guy passes out drunk And she gets pregnant. She gets pregnant from him while he's unconscious Does should he pay child support when he was raped while he was unconscious? The courts have said yeah, because men can't be raped and if he doesn't go to jail. Yeah, that's right Yeah, that's like basically slavery. That's right. Um, the other thing is you can look in male populations if you want to study rape May rape as as a form of subjugating man You know, if you include prison rape more men are raped. They're women. That's right, right And it's used as a form of social control Yeah, yeah It's been an amazing conversation. Yeah, we're not done yet. Almost. Okay. Yeah Talk to me a little bit about your we'll wrap up after this talk to me about your history with Objectivism you mentioned to me that for a while you're a randy and atheist and you've attended most of my life Yeah, I'm actually anybody you converted now to orthodox christianity. I did yeah so if you can discuss the brief like your history with objectivism the philosophy of iron rand And uh converting to christianity. How'd that go? Um You know, I'm going to be very honest with you know, I use objectivist terms I mean, I expect an objectivist to scoff at what I say because I'm using these terms that they usually do ride I'm fascinated. But but um, you know, I actually had a mystical experience. Okay, and What happened was I encountered a drug addict who was asking me for money and I looked at him And I spoke with him briefly and it was very clear to me that he was not acting volitional He was not acting on his own volition. I don't know if it was the chemical Or or whatever it was and I've I I lost my skepticism towards the existence of spirits. Okay From that and once you once you do that then you have to inquire At least the natural way For me was to say well, if I've lost the skepticism towards spirits Um, what have people in the past said about spirits? I don't know anything about spirits, you know, um And so I I investigated a part of that Um came out of you know back in the 80s. I spent six months at a zen colony in japan You know, I've I've I've never done that. I've never done any drugs Unfortunately because I was in the Marine Corps in an early age and the kind of work I've done I've been under random drug testing my whole life. Got it since I was 14 years old. So So I have no done no, uh illicit drugs. I have never done any Any shamanistic drugs or the third eye growing nothing like that But um When I started looking at I looked at things more philosophically. So I asked myself, well, okay There's buddhism What is buddhism's fundamental question? That it seeks to answer and it you know, it it it addresses the same question hinduism does why do people suffer? That was its fundamental question It's not a bad question. It's not exactly the kind of question That someone Who has a natural inclination to like the norseman's Ethic, um, you know, who finds a kind of joy and fighting in you know, that kind of thing It's not it's not the kind of question somebody like me would ask, you know Um, and then I asked well, what answer do they give and the answer that that the buddhist gives as well You know, you don't actually exist And you believe that you exist and that's what causes suffering and you don't actually exist and Though through a process of systematic extinction of the self you can end all suffering So I didn't think that was a very good answer And I didn't although I was persuaded By some of their interests they there's there's some very good arguments they have Around the the way things function in the world what they call dependent origination Their arguments from causality and they make some very interesting observations, which are actually valuable and I've even used in business So they're they're they're applied things. Um, you know, uh I know that buddhists in japan often laugh at westerners who come to study buddhism there Because you know buddhism was basically came about to liberate hindus from their belief in infinite reincarnation like you could achieve enlightenment now, right? And so they're like, why would you adopt these hindu beliefs? You never had to come study buddhism to liberate yourself from them like they find this very strange And then there's the whole hippie culture right where people sort of go over there just to be different from something else Right trendy bullshit. That's right um, I looked, uh, I looked at islam very seriously because I was attracted to the masculinity of it and It is it is truly a warrior's religion today and it's probably the only living warrior religion left It's like hyper-patriarchal. Yeah big time. Um Even the feminists there are making inroads though. Yes For better for worse. Yeah. Well, I think, uh, you know Islam never had a kind of reformation the way christianity had um And you know all gazale convinced the caliph the second caliph to You know dispense with greek learning So they were at the height of all intellectual attainment in the world And then they just did all just disappeared because they just literally consciously Jettisoned all pagan learning. Wow So study at ashinto. Oh, yeah, so, um Um, I've done some shugenja Uh stuff when I was in japan and and stuff like that um but um Then I started looking at um christianity and There seemed to be basically three basic approaches in christianity. Um, they're hyper uh intellectual Theologies, which I would just call it roman catholicism is probably the best example of that scholasticism Um, in fact, one of the issues I have sometimes with objectivism is like, you know Thomas Aquinas is just dismissed with the wave of a hand like some crazy guy. Um, to my knowledge I ran and liked him a lot that person. Yes, she did and that's why I'm always surprised by that She considered him a champion of reason. He was amazing actually. Yeah, and um, not that he was right about everything But he was just truly in him. I like him a lot too though. He had a certain intellectual honesty I learned that from him. Yeah reading his books, you know, when you read the suma he, um, he presents the absolute best arguments against his thesis before he ever presents his own argument Well, and I mean he picks the best one and a lot of times you wonder if he actually overcame them Like he did not skip that like he really gave you like he really went hardcore against his own positions Um, you know, talk about we call it steel manning today. Like he is the pinnacle of steel manning Um So, um, that approach unfortunately for me, um, seemed, um, to be You know prone to nominalism Uh It did it could not account for um mystical experiences Um, and when I say mystical experiences, I don't mean the shamanistic visions or whatever I'm not about the typical artifacts of human consciousness that we see around us all the time, right? Um We are creatures that hope We we have aspirations. We have, uh, feel a sense of failure or Sometimes we feel triumph. We have a soul. We have a soul. It's something different than an intellect. Yeah Yeah, um, that's what I'm getting at when I say, um, mystical Well, Eastern orthodox is also still more patriarchal than other, uh, denominations of 100% patriarchal. Yeah. Well all Christianity is patriarchal in my understanding. It's supposed to be Supposed to be. Yeah, but they've retained that more so than like the other ones You know, there's a joke in in eastern orthodoxy, you know, how many eastern orthodox does it take to change a light bulb? Change Got it. Yeah So the ecclesiology of the orthodox church today is the same ecclesiology that was used by the apostles It's just a larger Right. Same thing. In fact, I go to an Antiochian church That's because the sea that was the church that was founded in Antioch by Paul That's the church I go to That still run out of the same church, right? Nothing has changed um So there have been heresies and things that came up that have they've had to to deal with but fundamentally it is also a mystical religion and Um, whereas, you know in Roman Catholicism, they have this notion of papal infallibility Yeah, um, they have the notion of You know, irrational theology, you know, if you if you ask the Roman Catholic, hey, let's go do some theology They probably take you to a library, right? If you ask an orthodox, hey, let's go do some theology They would probably go around and start fixing old people's houses moan moan lawns for widows feeding the hungry You know doing some charity work. That's what we understand theology act of non-verbal. Yeah, it's done not not thought and Because of that there is no systematic theology like that in orthodoxy So how do we know what the theology is? Well, one we have the church councils And those are rational arguments for particular theological positions Right taking sacred texts as their axioms And but but then we have the testimony of the saints themselves Which is higher than any bishop or pope So, um, you know, when a monk on Mount Athos who is in a lot enlightened Says makes takes a certain theological position or makes makes an encyclical That what the Roman Catholics are called encyclical. This is higher than even the patriarchs Even though he's not even a priest Right. So in some sense, there is no hierarchy in that in that way And the if you're interested in this the there was a number of great debates between a western priest named Barlow And an eastern priest whose name escapes as a monk escapes me right now. I'll think of it in a minute And it was over whether these mystical experiences were really mystical Or whether they were tricks of likes and physics Right and the council came down on the side that they were they were real They were spiritual experiences But there are um, there are actual genuinely weird things that happen like the holy fire in Jerusalem. Have you ever seen that? I had loosely familiar with it. It's a very strange thing that happens. Um, it happens It's the longest running continuous miracle in christianity um The the patriarch of the Jerusalem church Just shows up, um on pasca And his candle just lights by itself And then he lights all the other like hundreds of thousands and thousands of people show up And they just all bring their own candles and he lights the candles from and it doesn't burn you Just have people like holding it underneath their face and doesn't burn them And this has been going on for a long time Um, there are other things that and I personally witnessed that so You know, it's I can't describe it. It's a strange. It's a city flame. It's not a normal flame I don't know how to describe it one year the muslims prevented the patriarch from entering And a pillar next to it exploded And caught fire and set the whole whole area on fire Um, and that that was recorded by the muslim historians Um, and it could not be put out They couldn't put it out. It just burned everything So they're, um, you know as an objectivist, you're like, wow, there's got to be some there's got to be a materialist explanation I'm active minded enough to uh pay attention and yeah Yeah, to me. Um, I love Dan Ranscott's concept of act being active minded not open or closed like truly active Yeah, absolutely, uh And it's possible. Yeah, anything's possible. So there's a there's a philosopher an atheist philosopher Um, uh, nagle who has written a book called mind and cosmos. Yeah, and um For the materialist if you're a materialist Um, uh, it's a great way to to enter into a critique of the materialist worldview Which I think is valuable to self critique, right? Um, and he took a lot of flak for writing the book and it's called mind and cosmos Um, why the materialist neo darwinian view of the world is almost certainly wrong I wouldn't consider myself a materialist. Okay Yeah, definitely leaning away from that those the objectives to do that tend to be a left of left of us I'm saying I'm left of center. Yeah, and that's a lot of objectives today. Unfortunately, including at the institutes Yeah, unfortunately, that's pretty much all I've encountered. So yeah, there's there's other ones We call them they're called iron rans eagles. Okay, and like the bugger recommended to you So he's one of them. Yeah, okay. I would consider them one great Yeah, someone who's an objectivist in the sense that iron ran was right, uh, not this You know hyper modern like all it's about hillary crap, right? That's a sec right on Yeah, I mean it's a lot of it comes down to what toolman calls Wants, you know what counts as an explanation? Right, this comes up in our society all the time You know people will show me statistical disparities in hiring and I go well, that's not proof of discrimination Yeah, you know, but some people say it is right the dispute is really over what counts as an explanation Yeah, um, I really think we need to get back to something more like Aristotle's four causes To so certainly materials explanations are valuable, right? That's the third of Aristotle's physical world. Yeah, absolutely and and it's lawful Right, anything with regularity is currently valuable to master regularity, right? That's how you get power over things Even in boxing it's about mastering the regularity of the rhythm of the opponent to hit him Like everything is based on on that But you know Aristotle talks about there's other ways to think about explanations We could we could reference explanations to what he called final causes or the telos of the thing What is the purpose of the thing? Right, um, we could reference The design of a thing You know, um, what he called the formal cause, you know the formal explanation What is the what is the design of the thing? You know a clock has a certain design to it And you could explain it based on this design characteristic rather than the material components There are two different ways of looking at it, right? Um, and we just kind of have abandoned that in the modern world, but well, here's one way I could explain it to you And I have to give this example to Roger Scruton. I got it from Roger Scruton You know the most important questions that we ask in our lives really just can't be answered by materialist means or by even by science Right. So for example, let's say take a murder trial. I want to know did Did mr. Smith kill John Dell, right? And mr. Smith foolishly agrees to take the stand and not not be silent And the prosecutor says, you know, why did you kill John Dell? And he says, well, you know It all started about two weeks earlier when I ate a big meal of beef potatoes and corn And a very complicated chemical process began in my body, which metabolized it into sugars and proteins and other things and that culminated in a kind of light sensory process in my brain and that terminated in some electrochemical Interactions in my fingers which caused my finger to do this and that pulled a lever On a machine and that triggered a series of mechanical processes that launched a chemical process and propelled a piece of metal down it Well, that's not what we're asking. No, we're not asking. That's the materialist explanation We can we could think of chemically all of the facts that led to the bullet hitting and All of the physical facts that caused that to his life processes to cease, right? But that isn't what we mean at all when we say Why did you kill it? Yeah, that's not a sex satisfactory explanation and intuitively we all know that right it's exiting the relevant context What we really want is the final cause what Aristotle called the final cause We want to know what you aim to achieve by killing him And that is not materialists, you know um And in mind and cosmos he talks a lot about this kind of thing like the way we it's very difficult for the materialist account To explain how our consciousness Perceives the world. It's very difficult for it to do that Now, you know, there are the new atheists the debaters out there Say neuroscience is going to solve that for us one day. Yeah I think mind and cosmos provides a pretty convincing argument that no such explanation would be possible A lot of these atheists are just really aggravating losers to match hate them. I agree Yeah, they tend to hate on rent, too Which is a circle to me and they still have the brain as a computation machine I mean, that's how they said when you get some more sophisticated computation No models of the brain you'll be able to reproduce consciousness and all this stuff And um, it's pretty clear. That's just not true. You know, um, they don't want to hear it though No, they don't they don't want to hear that So that's this is all roundabout way to say these are the kinds of philosophical questions that were floating in my mind And um, what it basically came to is In the way we actually live in a consciously observed world There is always a mystical component And That the questions that are asked are fairly Um consistent christianity also asks why do humans suffer? They do not answer by saying Because you exist Your existence causes suffering. Actually christianity says no your existence isn't the problem The problem is you arrived in a world where you have an improper relationship with the world. This is original sin Yeah, yeah, we call it ends. We don't believe in original Orthodox christians have never believed in original sin in the sense that you're guilty of adam sin Okay, what what we call in fact to distinguish it the orthodox for a long period of time for over a thousand years I've called it ancestral sin. What it just means is you have the same error of judgment that adam had That's a descendant. Yeah, it's not that you're guilty of whatever bad thing he did. Okay, you're born You're not guilty of that. That sounds a lot more reasonable. Yeah. Yeah This is the original sin doctrine came from a mistranslation of the in the From the greek to the latin bible and before it was discovered It was about 200 years and by that time the roman catholic church had built an entire theology around it Yeah, but that has never been taught by by the eastern churches all the way back to the apostles Rather you have the same the church would call it a sickness You have the same propensity to err In your conscious judgments about things that he had and so because of that You need to take precautions and develop habits that help you overcome those errors Right, and that's the concept of a sacrament In the church. It's a it's kind of a medicine to help you overcome the error And We're gonna start wrapping up. Yeah It's been it's been super fun. That's been fucked up. Yeah. Yeah, but a very crude terms. No, it's all good To wind down I do want to ask How can we help you in your fights with your son and the family courts and those crazy feminist garbage? Well, um, You know the probably the best way is to stay up to date on what's happening Because you know the more people know, uh, you know, the more that they can fight this themselves I'm all about individual spontaneous individual action. So the best way to do that is to go out to facebook Search for save james Link in the description. Yep, and you'll see a page there that's run by volunteers It's not run by me. So the court can't shut it down at the top. There's a donate link that goes to my legal fees Below that you're going to see all kinds of international news Other people that i'm working with in other states And you'll see just how vast this issue is. Yeah, I have no doubt family court is an issue that a lot of my friends Have studied for a while and i'm aware this is a particularly horrendous case Yeah, you know fathers go through crap similar to this On a daily basis in america. Some of them killed themselves. They do at record rates They do Thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it. So long. Best of luck at everything you fight you have in your future, man Appreciate it. Take care